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Title: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Gildre on January 08, 2017, 12:47:58 PM: Sooooo there is literally zero war going on eh? I play down in Luria Nova, and we are completely isolated. I barely hear anything of the other realms. What is the north doing? Is there friction/potential war? Or is everyone just happily slaying monsters and undead?
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Zakilevo on January 08, 2017, 01:22:52 PM: Quote from: Gildre on January 08, 2017, 12:47:58 PM
Sooooo there is literally zero war going on eh? I play down in Luria Nova, and we are completely isolated. I barely hear anything of the other realms. What is the north doing? Is there friction/potential war? Or is everyone just happily slaying monsters and undead?

We are all being good friendly neighbours :D. Peacemaster best master.

I think something is happening but mostly behind the scene. If it does happen, it will probably be another big war since peace is lasting slightly too long. A longer peace period usually leads to a longer war period.

As for Luria, your location is too isolated so I doubt you can fight anyone except Swordfell at this point. But with monsters swimming across sea zones, maybe people will be forced to fight monsters soon.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: MTYL on January 09, 2017, 01:09:03 AM: Quote from: Gildre on January 08, 2017, 12:47:58 PM
Sooooo there is literally zero war going on eh? I play down in Luria Nova, and we are completely isolated. I barely hear anything of the other realms. What is the north doing? Is there friction/potential war? Or is everyone just happily slaying monsters and undead?

Oh there's a ton of things happening, you just have to know where to look. :D
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on January 09, 2017, 01:30:12 PM: The first mistake is playing in Luria, a realm with as many (when not more) regions than nobles, and yet basically a continent away from anyone else. The day Luria gets in a war will probably be the day one of its neighbors decides to put it out of its misery. And given the culture of Dwi's realms, I don't really foresee that happening.

A better bet would be in one of those realms that neighbors Astrum, like Arnor or Westfold. Or Astrum itself.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: GundamMerc on January 09, 2017, 07:45:31 PM: Quote from: Chenier on January 09, 2017, 01:30:12 PM
The first mistake is playing in Luria, a realm with as many (when not more) regions than nobles, and yet basically a continent away from anyone else. The day Luria gets in a war will probably be the day one of its neighbors decides to put it out of its misery. And given the culture of Dwi's realms, I don't really foresee that happening.

A better bet would be in one of those realms that neighbors Astrum, like Arnor or Westfold. Or Astrum itself.

Astrum is forming a huge powerbloc, joy of joys. So yeah, the realm that could probably take on all the realms in its vicinity (besides Westfold) at once is allying with the realms in its immediate area.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Bronnen on January 09, 2017, 08:02:49 PM: Yeah, Astrum is super boring. Needs some people to secede.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Shulee on January 26, 2017, 10:09:39 PM: Westfold rejects boredom.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on January 27, 2017, 02:51:54 PM: Hopefully we'll avoid having all realms just gang up on them.

I mean, they kinda deserve it. But it'd be a pretty dull thing to do.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Konrad on January 27, 2017, 04:28:52 PM: Arnor's trying to turn this into an SA 4v1.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Gabanus family on January 27, 2017, 04:42:52 PM: Quote from: Konrad on January 27, 2017, 04:28:52 PM
Arnor's trying to turn this into an SA 4v1.

Well Rhys is not the most tactful ruler I've seen so far, which kind of angers some others.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on January 27, 2017, 05:02:19 PM: Yea, Westfold is making it really easy to motivate the gangbangers...

But seriously, why did the old war end anyways? From the outside, it really looked like Morek & Co stepped in and said "No, you can't have war, agree to peace NOW!". Maybe let people have their wars in peace, for once. ;)

I'm really hoping someone find some reason to assist Westfold, even if indirectly.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Vita` on January 27, 2017, 05:37:52 PM: Quote from: Konrad on January 27, 2017, 04:28:52 PM
Arnor's trying to turn this into an SA 4v1.
Typical corrupt SA. ESA has a lot to say on that.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Sacha on January 28, 2017, 11:01:07 PM: Quote from: Vita on January 27, 2017, 05:37:52 PM
Typical corrupt SA. ESA has a lot to say on that.

Ha, don't get me started on ESA :P
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Attano on January 29, 2017, 08:01:14 AM: The most popular book on Dwilight, Sun Tzu's Art of Peace.

We need an infy to spice things up...
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Gabanus family on January 29, 2017, 12:31:59 PM: Quote from: Chenier on January 27, 2017, 05:02:19 PM
Yea, Westfold is making it really easy to motivate the gangbangers...

But seriously, why did the old war end anyways? From the outside, it really looked like Morek & Co stepped in and said "No, you can't have war, agree to peace NOW!". Maybe let people have their wars in peace, for once. ;)

I'm pretty sure the war did not end because other realms stopped them as far as I remember.

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I'm really hoping someone find some reason to assist Westfold, even if indirectly.

That's already happening, but they aren't making it easy for themselves.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: MTYL on January 29, 2017, 08:25:55 PM: Actually from my POV it'll soon look like Swordfell ganking. Westfold has a boatload of indirect and possibly soon direct backers. Not because Westfold is so popular but because Swordfell is so hated by some.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Ketchum on January 30, 2017, 07:25:37 AM: Let me see if I get a new war going. Wish me luck! :o
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on January 31, 2017, 03:42:12 PM: So... Westfold is NOT going to war?

Damnit, guys!
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Gabanus family on January 31, 2017, 04:11:55 PM: Quote from: Chenier on January 31, 2017, 03:42:12 PM
So... Westfold is NOT going to war?

Damnit, guys!

Points towards the title of this topic ^^
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on January 31, 2017, 04:34:09 PM: Quote from: Gabanus family on January 31, 2017, 04:11:55 PM
Points towards the title of this topic ^^

As long as the monsters don't declare peace on us...
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Gabanus family on January 31, 2017, 06:42:54 PM: Quote from: Chenier on January 31, 2017, 04:34:09 PM
As long as the monsters don't declare peace on us...

Nah, I remain convinced we'll get more war in the future :)
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Ketchum on February 02, 2017, 02:41:02 PM: Quote from: Chenier on January 31, 2017, 03:42:12 PM
So... Westfold is NOT going to war?

Damnit, guys!
There is but other ways to make it happen.

Quote from: Gabanus family on January 31, 2017, 06:42:54 PM
Nah, I remain convinced we'll get more war in the future :)
Your belief shall be rewarded!

P/S: You probably know too much for your own good 8)
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Gabanus family on February 02, 2017, 04:09:49 PM: I always know too much for my own good, that's what I do 8)
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Bronnen on February 06, 2017, 10:33:28 PM: Join Ut Trutina, we wanna create more wars!
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: MTYL on February 07, 2017, 01:15:22 AM: If you're a torturer and lack imagination - join Sanguis Astroism. ;D
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: DeVerci on February 07, 2017, 02:54:58 PM: Quote from: MTYL on February 07, 2017, 01:15:22 AM
If you're a torturer and lack imagination - join Sanguis Astroism. ;D
DEATH TO THE HERETICS!
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on February 07, 2017, 02:59:08 PM: Can anyone tell me why HD is full of... druids? The heck did druids come from? In the middle of Morek's and SA's craddle, no less.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Vita` on February 07, 2017, 05:25:45 PM: The many-years ruler of Morek Empire, Eviera Lanze, stepping down from rulership and seceding to form a realm open to all religions. She thought druids were cool.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on February 07, 2017, 06:05:03 PM: Quote from: Vita on February 07, 2017, 05:25:45 PM
The many-years ruler of Morek Empire, Eviera Lanze, stepping down from rulership and seceding to form a realm open to all religions. She thought druids were cool.

Okay. :/

I remember her being weirdly pro-religious-diversity, but the druid thing really feels out of place. Why hasn't SA smitten them yet?
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Bronnen on February 08, 2017, 03:29:23 PM: Dwilight is boring right now. Astrum stops anyone from doing anything, Arnor stops anyone from doing anything, Luria has too few nobles to do anything and the other realms are too small or too far away to do anything.

Astrum and Arnor, break up into smaller kingdoms or something.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Gabanus family on February 08, 2017, 04:46:31 PM: Quote from: Bronnen on February 08, 2017, 03:29:23 PM
Dwilight is boring right now. Astrum stops anyone from doing anything, Arnor stops anyone from doing anything, Luria has too few nobles to do anything and the other realms are too small or too far away to do anything.

Astrum and Arnor, break up into smaller kingdoms or something.

This makes absolutely no sense so you may have to explain this to me.

Astrum stops anyone from doing anything...uhm they're letting HD-Morek fight without interfering (eventhough HD just broke the treaty signed by Astrum and HD) and Astrum remained neutral (publicly and privately) in the war Westfold just started, rather than joining in against Westfold, although it wasn't actually fought.

Arnor stops anyone from doing anything...Arnor doesn't have a lot of power and they'll find themselves run over one of these days. They only have 11 nobles atm.

Luria Nova has too few nobles...uhm they have 24 nobles, tied second place with Astrum and only beaten by Westgard.

HD and Morek are fighting, and some other realms are still either battling the rogues or are recovering from it and who knows what else they will do (that I do not know).
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on February 08, 2017, 04:47:18 PM: You know what would be cool? If Arnor & co. ganged up on Astrum, and Eidulb switched allegiance to Westgard. :)

Luria gained a lot of nobles lately. Not so sure they still can't project might. Go gank Fissoa or something.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: DeVerci on February 09, 2017, 01:59:57 AM: The HD-Morek war is kinda a suicide mission for HD. 5 nobles vs 9 is rather tilted, though the issue is that with the noble-per-region ratio for both realms the outcome is going to be odd, since Morek will start running into the potential 1 noble per region issue. If they ended up conglomerating then perhaps it'd be a good ending, but as it stands I struggle to see the purpose behind a 5-noble realm.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on February 09, 2017, 02:13:11 AM: It does seem kind of silly to see a microscopic realm fight another.

How large are their mobile armies anyways?
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Gabanus family on February 09, 2017, 10:09:53 AM: I'm pretty sure the idea behind this is to get activity and action within both realms and hopefully outgrow the smal satelite position HD is currently in. It's better than the alternative of sitting around and doing nothing because they are small, because then they'll stay small forever.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on February 09, 2017, 06:01:40 PM: Sure, kudos to them for actually doing something, it's more than most would do.

It just doesn't feel to me like microstates are worth having. They aren't particularily fun to play in, and they are hugely wasteful of their resources. They'd accomplish more if they merged with Westfold, for example.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Gabanus family on February 09, 2017, 06:08:22 PM: Quote from: Chenier on February 09, 2017, 06:01:40 PM
Sure, kudos to them for actually doing something, it's more than most would do.

It just doesn't feel to me like microstates are worth having. They aren't particularily fun to play in, and they are hugely wasteful of their resources. They'd accomplish more if they merged with Westfold, for example.

Well to be fair, morek only had like 4 members also a few months ago, but are up to 9 again right now, which makes them liveable. So I'd rather give HD a chance to recoup their last members and return to a maneable realm rather than giving up on them already. This war against Morek is a good attempt to make it happen.

It's also why nobody else is interfering right now I think, despite some having good reasons. People do recognize the effort (at least that's what I hope people are thinking).
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: DeVerci on February 09, 2017, 06:25:38 PM: Jeez, micro-state wars are tiring! These TO's are progressing at a crawl.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on February 09, 2017, 06:35:32 PM: I think it is to most realm's credits that they have generally been open to letting conflicts happen without turning every given opportunity into a gangbang.

That being said, does anyone know how much mobile CS these two realms wield, with so few nobles?
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: DeVerci on February 09, 2017, 06:47:55 PM: without giving exact numbers away, 6 nobles from Morek have double the CS than the 4 nobles from HD.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on February 09, 2017, 07:38:51 PM: Is it such a big secret? I assume both warring parties know exactly how much the other has.

Not really looking for specifics, just a generic idea of what scale of warfare they are doing.

It's generally hard to get past 1500CS units, even with all the wealth in the world. If Morek has 1500CS per noble with 6 nobles, that'd put a mobile force of 9000CS, while HD would have 4500CS for an average of 1125 CS per noble.

Am I close? Or are these guys fighting with like 500 CS/noble?

9k CS can achieve stuff. Less than 4k... it's pretty hard to achieve much.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Gabanus family on February 10, 2017, 01:44:10 AM: I'm guessing you're looking more at 800cs units on average, meaning you'll see around 3.5 to 4k for HD and then apparently (as they're double) around 7 to 8k for Morek.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Ketchum on February 20, 2017, 07:12:15 AM: Quote from: DeVerci on February 09, 2017, 06:25:38 PM
Jeez, micro-state wars are tiring! These TO's are progressing at a crawl.
Agree... It depend on population, how much they like your realm and such.

Anyway this should not stay Peacemaster for long. There are some happening soon ::)
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on February 20, 2017, 03:41:21 PM: Yea... that's micro-states for you.

Also, have any realms actually seen monsters swim? Because we've faced off 60 000 CS hordes, and I don't recall seeing a single "huge battle report" over East. Instead, eastern realms just keep on expanding, and the monsters just keep on being relentless...
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Anaris on February 20, 2017, 03:48:18 PM: There's some kind of bug that's keeping them from landing. I still need to have time to investigate that properly.
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Chenier on February 20, 2017, 06:43:34 PM: Quote from: Anaris on February 20, 2017, 03:48:18 PM
There's some kind of bug that's keeping them from landing. I still need to have time to investigate that properly.

Oh wow... how much CS of monsters are currently lurking at the shores...?
Title: Re: PeaceMaster: Dwilight
Post by: Ketchum on February 21, 2017, 01:03:22 AM: Quote from: Chenier on February 20, 2017, 06:43:34 PM
Oh wow... how much CS of monsters are currently lurking at the shores...?
Let say 50K-100K? ???