Prediction: Carelia to be double-crossed by Caergoth and Suville when the war either drags on too long or Carelia starts losing. Would place money on it.
Nothing personal, but I see comments like "Too many big realms, we need more/smaller realms" all the time. What people really mean when they say that is that *everyone else* needs to give up some of their duchies to make more, smaller realms while we stay the same.
You don't see me complaining about needing more, smaller realms, do you? 8)
I'm perfectly happy with there being larger realms.
Well, Eston has four duchies. If three of them secede, we'd suddenly have three new realms on AT.
Nothing personal, but I see comments like "Too many big realms, we need more/smaller realms" all the time. What people really mean when they say that is that *everyone else* needs to give up some of their duchies to make more, smaller realms while we stay the same.
Indeed, and you'll notice Eston just signed a controversial peace treaty with Coria when it almost *could* have tried to absorb the Duchy of Barad Falas. It did this with the intent of trying to turn the current war in the north from "Eston and Hammarsett trying to expand into Coria" to "Lets take the fight to the Cagilan Empire."
Prediction: Carelia to be double-crossed by Caergoth and Suville when the war either drags on too long or Carelia starts losing. Would place money on it.
The problem is that most realms are just highly entrenched, and the players in them are afraid of losing their power. I also hope for a huge shakeup. If a couple duchies could start emancipating themselves from some of the larger realms Atamara would become quite the interesting Island. As it is I just stick around because I really want to see CE finally see that E part become a misnomer. They have been a true Empire for far to long now ruling of Tara and Talerium, and essentially the diplomacy of all of southern Atamara.
Then shake things up.
You want to help?
If Carelia is losing then Caergoth and Suville are losing, too. The war doesn't belong to Carelia; it's just on their border. Caergoth and Suville are not the twins that they used to be, either. Geography is likely to give them common interest in the future, but their old Abington history, not so much.
Indeed, and you'll notice Eston just signed a controversial peace treaty with Coria
Well, you're right about it being controversial. That's about all its been good for :D
Only controversial because Aldarion has Darka under his thumb and Hammarsett is greedy for land. :PMeh, you got suckered into signing a really bad treaty by Coria. And in the process alienated the entire northern alliance. This is not going to end well...
Meh, you got suckered into signing a really bad treaty by Coria. And in the process alienated the entire northern alliance. This is not going to end well...
And anyway, who is to say that the alliance between Coria and Eston won't spice things up in the future? People are complaining about the same sides always duking it out and things never being shaken up. How does Coria, a Cagilan colony, taking a step closer in friendship to the Northern realms not add the possibility for change in the future?
Yeah, what Bedwyr said.
I heard someone remark the other day that, from jus reading the treaty and not knowing the situation, you'd think Coria won the war, and wasn't really forced to surrender. And indeed, if I was CE, I would be congratulating Coria on securing the northern border for the Empire. Because that's what the treaty does.
Uh, yeah, that's partly the point. Kerwin did not want to force Coria into anything, certainly not an awful, punishing treaty. Like Munro and I have said, our characters are trying to forge a friendship between Eston and Coria. Kerwin did not want to force a painful treaty upon Coria and only grow resentment and sure up any Corian hate or resolve against Eston or the north.
Also, I'm not sure how you could say the treaty looks like Coria won. It certainly looks like the war was a lot more even sided, but I mean Coria surrenders a region to Eston... does that happen often in treaties for the winner? They give up a region? Even if a relatively unimportant one?
Prediction: Tara will get off the damn fence. Eventually.
Prediction: The fence between Tara and Carelia is about to be shattered with a battering ram.
Prediction: The fence between Tara and Carelia is about to be shattered with a battering ram.
Oh please! Oh please! Oh please! I have been praying for this for weeks. Months?
It's not a prediction when you have perpetrated the events! ;)
I think the fact that I parked a 20,000 cs army in your capital for an entire week gives me some right to make demands.
Also, although it makes little difference now, you're army would have been slaughtered had my character been in the city at the time.
Wow...Y'all sure seem to complain a lot about a treaty that your realms had no reason to be able to influence. Coria fought a war against Eston, and Eston's allies joined in with them. Coria signs a peace treaty with Eston and Eston's allies should also then sign a peace treaty with Coria. Eston's the only realm that was at war with Coria that had any right to make demands of Coria.
Even without Eston,while Merlin was away from his city and that is HIS mistake ,Darka could easily come in Barad Falas for as long as their units could manage to stay out.
Nevertheless, this should be put behind, everyone. It's over now. The only thing keeping the allies from marching over the mountains through Coria (since they've agreed to allow us access) is King Regulus being completely uncompromising and quite ridiculous when it comes to making a peace with Coria.
Hmm, popular topic. Is this mainly an OOC or IC discussion? Or a murky middle ground? ;)
No, it gives Eston the right to make the demands as you initially joined the war on their behalf. (Based upon the original war declarations which my character as Ruler was all too aware of).
Also, although it makes little difference now, you're army would have been slaughtered had my character been in the city at the time.
Well, your mistake for leaving your city. If you had been there, we wouldn't have attacked. But you weren't, so we took advantage of that.
As for luring you out, we had no idea that Eston had offered a treaty. We discussed the matter for a couple days, with Estons general being in on the planning. He never mentioned it. Maybe he didn't know.
We won this chance for peace treaty with Coria for Eston.If you fail to see this and understand that this is giving Darka the right to demand a part in this treaty ,then what can i say.
Hmm, popular topic. Is this mainly an OOC or IC discussion? Or a murky middle ground?
Hmm, popular topic. Is this mainly an OOC or IC discussion? Or a murky middle ground? ;)
Hmm, popular topic. Is this mainly an OOC or IC discussion? Or a murky middle ground? ;)
If we are being completely honest Darka couldn't have inflicted nearly as much damage without the support of Eston, to try and claim that you were the ones responsible is a bit far fetched. Eston has their Capital city a days march away from our border region. They have a similar sized army to you, can refit a lot quicker and I wouldn't say I've seen a huge difference in the ability of each of the Generals.
So I can't agree with the claims that you basically won the war for them. As I remember Eston's allies didn't even bother to help them until their own demands were met first (this is the reason for their new government). Coria has actually been pretty loyal to it's current allies in a lot of ways, even when faced with destruction. I'm trying hard for us to get a good name, one that everyone knows they can trust. It's been difficult at some points, but that's what I'm attempting to achieve. Be they enemy or allies, trust will be important for Coria.
If this is the view of Darkans in game, then quite frankly, they are no better than the Cagilans. Indeed, they've displayed many of the negative attributes the CE has displayed before now. Bossing Eston around in Eston's own foreign politics, thinking that they defeated Coria and not Eston.
I understand that , from your point of view, the attitude of Regulus is against the interests of Eston... but I don´t find it "ridiculous", can you explain me why is Regulus being "ridiculous"?
After parking our ass in Hamersett's capital for a while, this is what we get in Minas Ithil now:
Too Much Peace (11 hours, 34 minutes ago)
The soldiers in your realm are getting bored. They signed up for battles and looting, not sitting and marching. Morale falls and desertions increase.
As for the lack of battles in the north, you can blame that on the whole peace talks with Coria mess.
Meh, we're not waiting for Hammarsett. It's those damn mountains that are the problem.
I'd agree that it was murky middle ground, but I don't think any of it can, or should be used IC. For example, the fact that Carelia might attack Tara hasn't even been considered/talked about IC (that I know of anyway) as our characters wouldn't know about it.
When talking about information I would like to say that misinformed characters are even worse as the players start to believe something that simply isnt true.
And yes, I'm mildly annoyed as Leta and my character Malcolm staked their careers and the entirety of Carelia on this war, and we were counting on the northern realms coming to assist...
Why do you think Berlas of CE regards the Carelians as cowardly jackals? Given the above, and the apparent backstab that they gave the Empire, as well as the diplomatically near-impossible switch that Caergoth and Suville did (Hey we're at war with the snakes/hey, we're best of buddies), he has quite a lot to be unhappy about.
He wouldn't mind if Carelia got destroyed totally - not a single tear. Serpaents and corruption...look how Carelia started the war after all.
Why do you think Berlas of CE regards the Carelians as cowardly jackals? Given the above, and the apparent backstab that they gave the Empire, as well as the diplomatically near-impossible switch that Caergoth and Suville did (Hey we're at war with the snakes/hey, we're best of buddies), he has quite a lot to be unhappy about.
You are aware that the CE threatened to attack Carelia if it didn't cede regions to Caergoth and Suville as well as destroy all Magna Serpaensist temples and shrines, remove all nobles who follow it from any position of power, as well as threatening to attack Caergoth and Suville if they didn't agree to a CE-brokered peace, yes? As well as informing Carelia that nothing it did would be trusted and that Cagilan senators would have to be dispatched to check on compliance with the CE's demands?
Just to be clear, we are talking about one incompetent ruler, yes? Who has since disappeared (player timed out).
At least I know for sure that my character is certainly not misinformed on any of the current issues. It always pays to have connections. ;)
Judging from what I've seen you post on these forums, I'd have to say that this is certainly not true.
Okay, well I understand that my character doesn't know "everything" about what is taking place behind doors in the NA but I know for sure he knows just as much about what is going on in Atamara as any ruler on the island if not more. My character essentially helped craft the initial declaration of war against Eston as well as knows all of the original declaration of wars since then from each new realm involved. As well as personal conversations with each of the Ruler's in the Northern Alliance. If that isn't enough, then I don't know what is.
P.S. I do find it amusing how quick everyone is to leap to each other's throats about how this war got started, when they don't realize how much fun this war will will have been for so many people involved by the time it finally comes to a close. It is very easy to start wars, but it is much more difficult to end them.
You're assuming they're telling you the full truth about their positions. Or at least some version of the truth. Or maybe something that has some kernel of truth buried in it somewhere. Which doesn't have to be the case at all. In fact, I'd be surprised if any of the rulers gave you anything more than their fast and loose interpretation of events. They're certainly not going to give you the entire story.
I think that the combativeness on the forum about this topic comes from how angry the entire northern alliance was with Eston over how they handled the peace treaty process, and the final treaty to which they agreed.
The duke of Barad Falas is the ruler now? Man, Peregrin missed the ball on that. Then again, Peregrin kinda messed up by not dying heroically in battle. >:(
Your Ruler. You elected him. CE still won't admit that there were open threats. Which means no apology. Which means continued lying.
Not to mention that the CE has threatened to wipe out each of the realms in the southern bloc at least twice. The issues with CE dictating to Carelia on religious policy date back before that "one incompetent Ruler" as well.
And, go figure, everyone gets tired of the CE telling them what to do.
Oh, we know that this war is fun. It's the most fun I've had on AT since I burned down Brackhead. I had fun with that, but Norland had !!Fun!!. This fun promises to last a lot longer than that. And I don't have to listen to Norlanders. (Well, not much...)
While it is natural to shy away from these things when in positions of power sometimes you need to put the OOC hat on as a major player and say.. what the hell.. this will make things interesting, dynamic and fun.
As for not listening to Norlanders .. welllll.. the brother of the General who kicked the whole MI war off commands your homeland defense force
and the Norland General who stood-up to the combined forces of Darka, BoM and Eston to the last (wo)man is now serving in your army.
I think that the combativeness on the forum about this topic comes from how angry the entire northern alliance was with Eston over how they handled the peace treaty process, and the final treaty to which they agreed.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. When Sordnaz first told his councils about the initial treaty content there were none of us interested in accepting it as was... hell, at that point the only region Coria wanted to "give up" was Nazia. Talk about an insult; their lands burned and their armies lay dead, and they offer a region they do not even control as a token of peace with a sugar coating of "It gives you a border with CE!"
What a joke of a treaty. With any luck Coria gets the burning they deserve for it once this is all over.
.. A person is not their brother, and shame on anyone that plays their characters as such ..
.. Because being in an army means their word holds weight? That... leap is covering quite a distance ..
If there was ANY objective at all, it WAS to secure access to the Cagilan Empire. This was done, and is done.
Looking at the map, and taking in consideration the position and situation of Coria when the treaty was signed, the treaty is a failure for the norther realms.
Just to be clear, we are talking about one incompetent ruler, yes? Who has since disappeared (player timed out).
I think Darka should have pushed to build temples of Darkanism in Coria. How come this isn't standard procedure?
I think Darka should have pushed to build temples of Darkanism in Coria. How come this isn't standard procedure?
I think Darka should have pushed to build temples of Darkanism in Coria. How come this isn't standard procedure?
The access to CE we wanted is a joke. We have exactly one point of entry that takes us through mountains, where our men starve to death due to lack of food only to be greeted by an army sitting behind a wall.
That's all good and well, but Coria was the aggressor in this war, and made a rather ludicrous and unprovoked demand. If someone attacked my realm under that pretense and then sued for peace when his capital was sacked, I'd make him pay out the nose to get peace, and not just give up a claim to one region he doesn't even own anymore.
The access to CE we wanted is a joke. We have exactly one point of entry that takes us through mountains, where our men starve to death due to lack of food only to be greeted by an army sitting behind a wall.
Coria was the aggressor in this war, and made a rather ludicrous and unprovoked demand.
The second major incident was when Talerium assassins assaulted ...
But as you seem to know, can you please tell me what Coria's demands were?
Eston has to give Coria the Barad Lacirith duchy
But then Coria went along with it?
The demands I am familiar with, and what got Darka involved in the war, were "Eston has to give Coria the Barad Lacirith duchy." i.e. Eston has to give their capital duchy to Coria.
Straw man argument. Why should we waste gold on caravans and take precious food away from our realm to make an attack, simply because one of our allies signed a silly treaty without consulting us beforehand? And we brought almost 20,000 CS in a single army, almost all heavy infantry with numerous siege engines. But that doesn't help us much when the only way to our enemy's land is through a 30,000 CS army behind a palisade, again because our allies signed a silly treaty without consulting us.
but Darka refuses to offend Talerium for some crazy reason.
They fight alongside BoM and Hammarsett now, but in the future, if the price was right, they'd attack either of those realms, of that I'm pretty sure.
This mountain problem is no one's fault but Darka's. If Darka would walk through Cantril we would be in the CE without the problems of the mountains, but Darka refuses to offend Talerium for some crazy reason.
none of the northern realms gain anything of note
It's not a problem of just going through "the mountains". It's a problem that the one-region-wide route allowed by the treaty leads straight into a fortification. Aside from the border with Carelia, CE now only has one border region, and it's fortified.
I'm confused. Is the north scared of actually fighting CE while their entire military force is having to focus on defending three realms in the south already? How defended can that region possibly be? Unless there is more than 10-15k cs always defending the region I see little reason for Darka/BoM/Eston//Hammarsett to be worried at all. Isn't the point just to get through to start fighting CE? If you think that CE will be able to prevent you from ever getting through that one region, then I must say CE is a lot stronger than I ever imagined and deserves to win this war.
Talerium and Tara. Don't forget Talerium and Tara.
I'm confused. Is the north scared of actually fighting CE while their entire military force is having to focus on defending three realms in the south already?
How defended can that region possibly be? Unless there is more than 10-15k cs always defending the region I see little reason for Darka/BoM/Eston//Hammarsett to be worried at all
Heck no. We're ready and raring to go. We *want* to have a few good fights. We just don't want to get slaughtered
(And yes the *current* treaty gives the northern realms permission to trael through Coria to attack CE. That's what Darka wanted. I think most of the animosity about the treaty actually comes from the first versions that were presented: Coria = off limits.)
See, I would think that being as informed as you are about the political situation on AT, you would know the real score there. It's not just CE. If we only had to fight CE, it would be no big deal. But the treaty you agreed to with Eston secures Tara's northern border. And since they are not fighting in the south, that frees their entire army to defend CE's northern border.
CE/Tara/Talerium had 30K CS waiting for us in Alaise.
Ahh, well technically I have access to all of the scout reports of the happenings of that battlefront and could check on them after like 5 minutes of searching through messages but I haven't bothered. So yes, technically I should be informed of the exact numbers but I simply haven't had the time to worry about it. Well either way, good for them for putting up such a good defense.
As it stands though, you say Tara isn't fighting in the south so they can worry about defending the north, however as far as I know it was the northern alliance that asked that we include terms such that Tara can't aggressively attack Carelia without being attacked, so you would in effect be holding their forces in the north when they could readily be diverted south.
Interesting the way that politics run things. So much easy when I had just a regular troop leader.
And yes the *current* treaty gives the northern realms permission to trael through Coria to attack CE. That's what Darka wanted. I think most of the animosity about the treaty actually comes from the first versions that were presented: Coria = off limits.
There is no 'current' treaty. The only official agreement is the one we have with Eston. The only treaty we have with the Northern Federation is an unofficial spoken one as they are not prepared to sign peace. That being said, Saeculo intends to honour it as best he can.
Hammarsett has sent an offer days ago,without requests. The diplomatic relation between Hammarsett and Coria could have changed from war to neutral two days ago.
It's not a problem of just going through "the mountains". It's a problem that the one-region-wide route allowed by the treaty leads straight into a fortification. Aside from the border with Carelia, CE now only has one border region, and it's fortified.
Darka's policy has been to not piss of Talerium for as long as I've been aware of even the basics of Darkan policy, so this is hardly new.
So, in effect, Coria gets out of the war, CE gets a fortified border, and none of the northern realms gain anything of note. That's a really, really good treaty for Coria. I just don't get why Eston agreed.
What else could we want?
Why, more Corian coin in our pockets, of course. One day it may be as valuable as Hang's Drachenwald coin!
CE/Tara/Talerium had 30K CS waiting for us in Alaise.
The truly sad thing here is that CE only declared war on Eston because Coria threatened to break our alliance if we didn't. ::)
The truly sad thing here is that CE provoked these wars and no one there seems to know it. ::)I have a char in CE's realm council, so... if anyone knew, I knew. Famine may have been a bad/arrogant Prime Minister, but at least he shared his messages with us.
The truly sad thing here is that CE only declared war on Eston because Coria threatened to break our alliance if we didn't. ::)
It was a lot closer to a polite suggestion that you don't ignore your allies wishes.That sounds like a threat to me.
That sounds like a threat to me.
Well, fine, like I said, it didn't take too much persuading. CE was willing to take a risk in order to help out an ally. I'm just saying that the suggestion that CE provoked the whole thing does not hold water. We were not entirely blameless, but we didn't get together one day and say "hey let's go piss off eight realms at the same time".
What's more likely? One realm deciding to provoke war with most of the rest of the island? Or a bunch of realms conspiring to take down the biggest realm on the island?
I am fairly certain that Famine never demanded Barad Lacirith. We all knew that Coria did not have enough nobles to expand. Otherwise Shanandoah would have went to Coria.
People are making all sorts of accusations at a character that isn't even around anymore. The player is not exactly here to defend himself. Like I said, the perfect scapegoat.
This is Yangfan, by the way. You can see the family affiliation by clicking on the poster's name, assuming that he set it up correctly in his profile.
The truly sad thing here is that CE only declared war on Eston because Coria threatened to break our alliance if we didn't.
Coria defended themself saying that they wanted a 1vs1 war from the start and was not to blame for CE joining the war by their side but as we have been told here that was another lie to put on the pile
The treaty we signed does not restrict us to a "one-region-wide route" it doesn't even mention a route to the CE at all. Have you read the treaty? It merely gives Nazia to Eston. Thanks to Eston and Kerwin playing nice with Coria, the north now have Coria's full permission to roam unopposed through Belegmon and Belegmon, their only regions that provide us access to the Cagilan Empire. There is absolutely nothing else that can be gained from Coria regarding the war with the Cagilan Empire, what more do you want?
Indeed, nothing new. But just as frustrating to Kerwin and Eston nonetheless. Especially when somehow Eston and Kerwin are being blamed for not securing something. What that something is, I don't know. But we're being blamed and having fingers pointed at us for being nice with Coria. I don't why Darka doesn't take any heat for being nice with Talerium when they are actively helping the Cagilan Empire AND possess a far better route into the Cagilan Empire than Coria has ever had.
Better spies, evidently. The only version of the treaty I've seen IC talks about Coria "possibly" allowing northern armies through at a later date.
Better communication with your leaders... rather than spies ;)
I can't emphasise enough that this peace was not an unconditional surrender. We want better relations with Eston, we don't see them a typical 'Northern' realm. Kerwin has gained them a lot of trust again, trust which was lost through the actions of Athena and Jean.
Coria allows us passage? Ha! You didn't seem very adept at stopping us even when we didn't have permission
Let me get this straight: We are fighting what is essentially an 8 on 3 war. You have us badly outnumbered in terms of territory, income, nobles, military strength, pretty much every statistic and indicator.
And you are complaining that we somehow managed to field some troops on our choke-point? ???
I wish we had the "save messages" feature a few months earlier. I could have saved all the relevant messages and actually have some evidence to show you guys.
I have taught you guys well. 8)
Coria was quite willing to throw CE under the proverbial bus if it came to it
That's not true. We were encouraged to sign a peace with the North by the allied rulers. I really don't know what else we could have done, we just don't have the resources to hold back the combined armies of the North. We were limited to a defensive war for one reason or another, and everyone knows the best defence is a good offence. Our defences were slowly being eroded away whilst the Northern realms were allowed to recover and regain strength. Strategically speaking, Hammarsett should have been knocked out of the War. They would have been more vulnerable to such attacks than Coria. Tara could have easily accomplished this.
Plus we've not abandoned the CE, we've had multiple offers in which we could gain more lands from the CE to make up for the losses we have sustained in this War. This was respectfully declined by Saeculo. We're honestly not throwing you under the bus. You should know this given that you have a character in our military council ;)
That's not what he's referring to.
Come now. Did CE have any say in the matter in the end?
Come now. Did CE have any say in the matter in the end?
CE: So how long can you hold the line, Coria?
Coria: Actually our capital is being looted because our Duke wandered into enemy territory on an invitation. We decided to loot Hammarsett instead of running TOs like we should have been. We're pretty close to surrendering here.
CE: Could you please try to hold on? Tara and Talerium are still backing you up.
Coria: Hey... Eston promised us some CE regions if we switched sides...
CE: ... Fine. Do what you need to do to survive. :-\
Cagilans are all baby-eaters.
Cagilans are all baby-eaters.
They ate my poor little Jimmy! :'(
He was alright, not enough meat around the bones though.
I wont interfere Taleriums and Estons relations
Of course, we don't even like you :P
But you will interfere in Coria and Eston relations...
Let's try to keep IC and OOC separate here, even though this entire thread is pretty much a mockery of IC/OOC separation.
The Cagilan Empire functions very much like a real Empire, particularly in the manner that they create and maintain client states to secure their borders. Coria and Talerium are two such client states.
Although, I do think it a bit overly ambitious to seek to destroy CE utterly and completely due to the simple mechanics of the situation.
Yes, we are their ally and our military prowess has at times increased the strength of the "empire" that CE may maintain but we can't be said to be a puppet realm of them. Many of our CE allies were upset that we signed a treaty to get us out of the war and can no longer support them in their trans-continental fight.
My character (who is admittedly from Hammarsett :)) would have liked to see Barad Gardor go to Hammarsett while the northern alliance offered to help Coria claim part or all of the Duchy of Eaglin in recompense. Unfortunately Eston's short-sightedness (again, character perspective) means that that option is basically gone. Darka could easily take a duchy or more off of Talerium then offer to help them take Cagil and Calis.
The Cagilan Empire functions very much like a real Empire, particularly in the manner that they create and maintain client states to secure their borders. Coria and Talerium are two such client states.
About destroying Cagilan Empire... we can destroy their income, their infrastructure... then we can start colonies where ever we wish.
If all goes well, this war will last propably over year easily. Darka prolly have most gold stocked on its pockets on whole continent, their regions arent threatened... they can keep this going for several years if needed... time will show how peoples nerves will stand this. Carelia is ofcourse the one who gets biggest hits on "our side". How long Tara feels just defending CE? I bet they are itching already to attack Carelia... that would ofcourse make CArelias situation pretty hard, but it would also mean very wide border to defend for Tara.
Indeed intresting times.
That would be Darka burning down their northern regions.
Darka's allies !@#$ing up... gee, where have I heard that before...
Wait, Darka has allies?!?!?
I thought they were just bloodthirsty mongrels who convinced other realms to sign certain treaties so their children wouldn't be eaten?
Silverfire,
Darka always had allies,the fact that some of her allies consider them as such only when Darka saves their buttocks doesn't make Darka the one imposing herself to others.You seem pretty upset with this treaty thing to the point it makes me wonder.Eston invaded you,tricked you as Duke out of the city just to have Darka sack it down..and you seem bitter towards Darka wanting to gain a safe passage to CE.I don't get it :P
To be clear, I was making a joke. Although it wasn't all in a joking manner. Who's to say that IC wise a realm of mercenaries wouldn't have some rumors floating around about them.
I doubt you would understand much behind it as few on Atamara do. At any rate, I look forward to the day that my character can lead an army into sacking the Darkan capitol as it sacked my character's city. Sadly this will be far in the future, but as a true veteran of Atamaran politics I'm willing to wait.
Oh i bet i would Silverfire if you count the fact i had a family in Darka since 2005....see this is my second account and i had Lavigna in Darka for many years and i am very well aware of the politics in Atamara as i have joined enough realms and held leader positions multiple times there.
You may have a general issue with Darka and that is of course your problem but still in this particular situation..you are wrong. :P
Also if you are a true veteran you would know that such wishes are far beyond reality.I would give your dream a 5% of success in any future :D But then again that's just me
You are wrong in believing that knowing the previous politics doesn't count mostly when many realms in atamara have realm Veteran players and characters still in charge..Talerium...BoM...Carelia..Tara...and Darka ,you would be surprised...politics almost never change in Atamara because there are strong bonds behind many realms.There are people who pull strings but sometimes..it is not enough.
Oh i know it's the char talking :D it 's the same with me when it comes to Darka,i take it too personally.
But as far as the manipulation goes,all i 'm saying is that this donkey(Atamara) is a pretty old and stubborn one to change it's ways so easily :) Predict is easy yes,manipulate requires a lot of skills.
Misericordia, meet my character: "Iago"
;)
(shhhh, he's a great guy honestly....)
P.S. You think it was just luck that cause Coria to find a way to secure a nice treaty when losing a war?
We can always burn Coria a second time. And third and fourth and so on...
Is it ever luck?
Of course it wasn't.Do you think on the other hand is was pure stubbornness that Darka demanded it's piece in this treaty?I think not :P
Heh, you are doubting if Darka has allies. I'm doubting if Coria has? Where were your allies when we sat on your capital? How much they value your efforts to help them?
Sure, there might become day when Azzal is occupied by enemies, Darka doenst have much true close friends... but as recent incidents have shown, not many does. Often relations arent as tight as they might first appear and sometimes those are much tighter than it looks at first glance. When long time ruler changes, often relations balance change a bit or a lot. This war will be long, frustrating, fun, sucky and full of betrayal, blood and tears and laugh
I'm still waiting to see if Tara dares to attack Carelia, now they are too scared to do that... but incase tides changes so that CE & Co. gets upper hand, i would be very surprised if they wouldnt attack Carelia. Now only thing stopping them is that they would lose rest of the friendship seeds of Caergoth and Suville.
Heh. Killing the Duchess of Ash'rily after attacking a Carelian army despite claiming "neutrality" really pissed Caergoth off. Dunno about Suville, but last I heard, Caergoth was using the word "crusade"...(grins)
Heh. Killing the Duchess of Ash'rily after attacking a Carelian army despite claiming "neutrality" really pissed Caergoth off. Dunno about Suville, but last I heard, Caergoth was using the word "crusade"...(grins)
And now we wait for Bigmouth to strike again.
Does this refer to me?
And now we wait for Bigmouth to strike again.
A bit uncalled for and unnecessary wouldn't you say? Let's at least pretend that we are adults.
Suddenly, Minas Ithil barrels through the door, a glass of spiced punch in one hand and a party hat in the other.
It is uncalled disliking his char IG and wanting to see his realm burned to the ground? I do not think so...
Suddenly, Minas Ithil barrels through the door, a glass of spiced punch in one hand and a party hat in the other.
"What the heck, you all? What're you doing over here? I showed up at the party in Coria and no one was there? Did I miss something?"
Can someone remind me who was it that said that Atamara was dead and in a gridlock? :P
Been some interesting new developments lately. Thoughts?
Which ones you mean exactly :)
I do love the Darkan mentality. They've gone from wanting to hurt and attack the CE to attacking Tara, to threatening Coria, threatening Talerium and even threatening to ignore Eston's wishes (during the initial peace).
I can't wait for the future when people finally get tired of Darka doing exactly the same thing that the CE is accused (rightly so) of doing.
and with the exception of their blind spot for Talerium
Unfortunately, this being perhaps the sole factor keeping most of the war at a more or less steady stalemate so far.
I do love the Darkan mentality. They've gone from wanting to hurt and attack the CE to attacking Tara, to threatening Coria, threatening Talerium and even threatening to ignore Eston's wishes (during the initial peace).
I can't wait for the future when people finally get tired of Darka doing exactly the same thing that the CE is accused (rightly so) of doing.
Unfortunately, this being perhaps the sole factor keeping most of the war at a more or less steady stalemate so far.
I'm more interested in what people think will happen if Coria gets involved in the fighting in the south.
I do love the Darkan mentality. They've gone from wanting to hurt and attack the CE to attacking Tara, to threatening Coria, threatening Talerium and even threatening to ignore Eston's wishes (during the initial peace).
I can't wait for the future when people finally get tired of Darka doing exactly the same thing that the CE is accused (rightly so) of doing.
Darka has been wanting to attack the whole CE block since day 1, we just never had a good opportunity :P
I would lump your treaty with Coria into the same category, so be careful about throwing stones in a glass house ;)
And by "CE block" you mean "All of the Cagilan allies EXCEPT Talerium."
Yes, because opening a second front on Eston's borders would totally swing things in the North's favor.
If Darka would fight Talerium, there would be Northern armies sacking Cagilan cities within a month.
Yes because Talerium is an ally of Darka for a long time.And as such we wish it to remain,thus we honor their wish to not use their lands.I am sure Talerium is pretty happy with that as well or else they would declare war to Darka.How come you don't accuse them for this?
I would say the same thing about Eston fighting Coria. We were making great progress on bringing Coria to its knees; Darka and Eston had just sacked their capital, and we were successfully whipsawing them between Barad Falas and the Barad Gardor. I would argue that we'd already be sacking Cagilan cities as of right now if Eston had never signed that treaty in the first place.
How would we be sacking Cagilan cities if we had destroyed Coria? Have you seen a map of Atamara?
The irony of fate ... that was their plan for Eston ;)
And you'd know this how? We sent an offer of peace before the Northern and Southern realms became involved in the conflict. That's how you all know we asked for Nazamroth because that's what we had asked for in the terms of peace with Eston! To find out later that other people had spread lies about us wishing to take the Duchy of Barad Lacirith were utter fabrications.
So sending a peace offer, whilst we were winning, with the loss of a single region for a multi-region realm like Eston is destroying their realm how?
Are you saying that Coria requested Nazamroth to Eston before the start of the hotilities, only Nazamroth?
...why would we ever demand Barad Lacirith from Eston!? It makes no sense.
It's not liberal monarchy as much as it is a horribly inefficient army that's doing them in.
To be honest you are over estimating how much land Coria can even support. The reason Hammarsett was founded in the first place was because we could not support a new Duchy. We had first dibs on that land but opted to aid a new colony instead. Ironically, I very much doubt our two realms will ever grow in harmony ;) But that's beside the point. Having had the option of taking Shanandoah just a month or so earlier, why would we ever demand Barad Lacirith from Eston!? It makes no sense.
I really doubt that Hammarsett was founded because Coria would be unable to support a new duchy... From the point of view of Regulus, Hammarsett would be founded even without the support of Coria.
Do you know the history of the realm based on the current lands of Coria, called Falasan?
We potentially asked for future Military access to Darka but I don't recall whether that was actually asked for or not, I know the idea was toyed with (by me at least) during the reparation stages.
Cagilan and Tara have an indeed excellent military structure,strategy and readiness.
Coria?Is a joke.Coria is the realm that make plans behinds back based on the fact they are a buffer zone that can block ways and manipulate plans of both sides.Trust me,they will have their downfall and only then they will realize that they were in reality nothing but a thorn on zome backs.But thorns can be removed easily.
You have absolutely no power and the power of hypocrisy won't take you far.Militaristic talking you are a big nothing alone.And i would like to see when this wars rings your doorbell again who will run to save you.And when you realize it will be no one i would like to see how your superiority in military will save you.
This is also a fact and i am sure it will create more and more discussions in here the future days and i would like to see then what you will have to say :)
xoxo
Let me ask you, Cordia, something that was already asked in this topic recently: "Do you know the history of the realm based on the current lands of Coria, called Falasan?" Their own military was probably not as good as Coria's, but they survived too by doing the exact same thing. Buffering the north and the south. They simply happened to be on the other side of that line.
Finton.
Cagilan and Tara have an indeed excellent military structure,strategy and readiness.
Coria?Is a joke.Coria is the realm that make plans behinds back based on the fact they are a buffer zone that can block ways and manipulate plans of both sides.Trust me,they will have their downfall and only then they will realize that they were in reality nothing but a thorn on zome backs.But thorns can be removed easily.
You have absolutely no power and the power of hypocrisy won't take you far.Militaristic talking you are a big nothing alone.And i would like to see when this wars rings your doorbell again who will run to save you.And when you realize it will be no one i would like to see how your superiority in military will save you.
This is also a fact and i am sure it will create more and more discussions in here the future days and i would like to see then what you will have to say :)
xoxo
Even if that is what you mean which i doubt from what i 've heard in the past as well ...you prove my point.You choose a side.When you choose a side and you admit to be part of it you seize to be a buffer zone.You simply are a pain in the butt for one side XD
You have a side and you pretend to not have one.It is arrogantly disturbing.
Coria is still a very strong gold producing realm, we have tons of it, but all of our regions are getting destroyed from Too Much Peace(or maybe that's just the starvation, i don't know), as well as our units.
This is indeed what makes you different from Falasan in fact as i stated in my previous message.This game mechanic did change everything.That counts for many realms at this point i bet.
They could really stay neutral in this war..but they don't.
This is indeed what makes you different from Falasan in fact as i stated in my previous message.This game mechanic did change everything.That counts for many realms at this point i bet.
Coria can support over twice its current noble count and still not need to take any more regions. Give us that, and I can guarantee you that Coria can one on one fight against Eston and win.
To be honest, the Northern realms are no better than the CE, as Darka and BoM are just as arrogant if not more.
Talerium is also using the buffer zone role in this war with the difference they actually have an importance as size but at least they do it with dignity and with cards open,
I stated simply we were part of the "most organized and efficient allied military system" That has nothing to do with how strong our military is. However the military leaders and cooperation that is involved in the alliance that we are a part of ( and contribute to) is unparralleled.
Well, sure. But Eston could also support twice the noble count it currently has. We're floating around 40-45 nobles as is. When I first joined Eston, we were smaller than we are today and had a noble count around 80-85. Sad times we live in. Eston feels like a skeleton of its former self. We can't even appoint new Lords without adding to the list of Knightless regions.
Surely, Eston hasn't shown itself arrogant? I think, if I do say so myself, Eston has been nothing but honest with Coria.
And I think safe positions breed the most arrogance. The truly arrogant realms on Atamara at the moment are all the ones who are involved in the war but are seeing none of it on their own soil: Tara, Darka, BoM.
I think my mouth hung open for a few minutes after reading this. The idea of Talerium being open, having dignity, or any other trait other than being cowardly, selfish, lying snakes in the grass is a concept completely beyond me. Though maybe that's just idea we have in Eston :P
Probably pretty true. Then again, it's easy to look that way when up against perhaps the most unorganized and inefficient allied military system perhaps in the game.
I kind of like to think of the current war as the barbarian invasions of the Roman Empire, only much less successful. Roves of random bands of northern troops roam around independently and refusing to cooperate with one another, while periodic large armies from the south show up, kill a smaller northern army, and then loot Eston.
However, the way the Empire Alliance has been able to completely keep the northern realms stuck in the north through basically manipulating diplomatic situations is something impressive for sure. Like, really, why the HELL has the northern alliance not been able to sack Eaglin by now? Oh yeah, Darka is buddy buddy with Talerium who routinely marches into Eston and loots like crazy and Darka seems to not care/notice; and Eston is friendly with Coria who for some reason infuriates the living daylights out of Kostaja and Sordnaz to no end lol.
One last thing: I love how the massive, continent wide war that was meant to end the grid lock and boring dullness of Atamara has basically turned into one huge, boring stalemate. ::)
However, the way the Empire Alliance has been able to completely keep the northern realms stuck in the north through basically manipulating diplomatic situations is something impressive for sure. Like, really, why the HELL has the northern alliance not been able to sack Eaglin by now? Oh yeah, Darka is buddy buddy with Talerium who routinely marches into Eston and loots like crazy and Darka seems to not care/notice; and Eston is friendly with Coria who for some reason infuriates the living daylights out of Kostaja and Sordnaz to no end lol.
And I think safe positions breed the most arrogance. The truly arrogant realms on Atamara at the moment are all the ones who are involved in the war but are seeing none of it on their own soil: Tara, Darka, BoM.
To be fair, this is likely just due to being from Eston. I'm sure Talerium would say the same thing about you. :)
Wait, its not? I thought for sure this was the goal. It was either that or it was to allow CE to finally have a reason to supplant every non-CE bloc realm with a CE colony so they can finally achieve world domination. Btw, it isn't a huge boring stalemate. From what I can tell CE is slowly but surely winning.
The issue the northern realms have is that Eston seems to be stuck in a mindset that the war is all about them. All about defending their lands. They're unwilling to move out to actually do damage to CE/Tara. On paper it might seem the north is pretty strong, but when in reality most of the force that's willing to do damage is Darka and what ever BoM can muster, it's not much against both Tara and CE.
Seriously? Nor care not notice?We came to defend you countless times and most of the times we were the ones to ask if there is any need because it seems you were so proud to ask for that help in the first place.
Yes Darka cannot attack Talerium but yes there is a mutual agreement on that matter and even when Kostaja tries to establish that by making talks for Cantril i didn't see Eston pretty interested in even answering on it.
You know it's funny you say that because maybe at least Darka doesn't get a war at her soil but Darka also has NO PASS into the enemy soils without traveling for two weeks or "breaking" agreements.What you give is what you get.We cannot damage the enemy as we can and we get no damage from the enemy either.Also Ce could easily walk into Darka if they wanted,Tara declared war to Darka,they could easily march into it.There is no aggreement that doesn't allow it,it is their choice.
And while you criticize the buddy buddy relationship of Darka and Talerium maybe you should think over from the buddy buddy relationship of Eston and Coria.You call it an honest one,well an honest one it is for Darka and Talerium as well.Maybe you don't like it because it damages you but then again this is why i don't like Coria as well,because it damages our expeditions.
I was exaggerating a little, I apologize. It was more reference to the fact that, in Eston's perception, all Darka wants to do is run suicide missions over the mountains into Tara which doesn't accomplish much.
And I understand Darka's friendship with Talerium, but from an OOC standpoint you have to be able to see that if Darka was willing to attack Talerium the war would change DRAMATICALLY in a number of weeks. If Darka attacked Talerium then Talerium would fall and be neutralized in a couple weeks and the allies would have an easy, straight path into the Cagilan Empire. Surely, you can see this from an OOC viewpoint?
I mean line up every realm for and against them, and their military forces end up be double what CE's allied bloc can field. (or more). Not to mention that the entire island is a pincer attack which is supposed to be good for military strategy.
Trust me, if we COULD do that we would LOVE to do that. How do you expect the Eston army to march off a week's travel away into Tara when the second we do a Talerium army will march straight into Eston and loot and destory literally every region they can get their hands on, including cities like Hawthrone or Barac Lacirith?
I am honestly completely dumbfounded at how you think currently a big focus of our efforts can be something other than defending Eston lands? Did you not see the 30,000+CS army of Talerium, CE and Tara troops that marched through the heartland of Eston last week looting, destorying infrastructure, and raping and pillaging? What are we supposed to do, just ignore that?
Its said that this war is a stalemate or slow going because of the limited borders for battles to take place on. I'm curious about this. For what possible reason could it be limited? We know the realms on each side. Did they ask politely that the battles not be fought on their lands? And their enemies agreed? If so, Atamara sure is civilized.
Finton.
Not to mention that the entire island is a pincer attack which is supposed to be good for military strategy.
In Theory the pincer movement is great, and the few times it has been successful have seen great victories. The telling part comes from the creator themselves Sun Tzu, who basically said the manoeuvring should not be used as the enemy army would likely retreat and run before the move could be completed. In this case they would not have an avenue to escape resulting in what could be a ferocious last stand when they realise they have no chance.
It is the basis for a lot of more common military tactics though. The Pincer strategy is great, but is somewhat complex, takes a lot of manoeuvring etc, which results in plenty of things that can go wrong.
I always wanted to fight a central realm.
Actually, we did fight Hetland, and that was frigging amazing.
If I understand everything correctly, there's a strong central realm resisting a big gang bang? The gang bangers must be awfully poor strategists. Attrition is my best friend, and attacking realms don't use it enough.
If the defenders are surrounded, that means they can't afford counter-attacks (unless the attackers are really, really stupid). Freedom of movement granted by this has such amazing potential.
Too bad I'm totally clueless as to what's going on in Atamara right now. I'm a MI lord. Maybe I'll petition for a marshal position if we ever get involved? Is MI friendly to the central guys or the surrounding guys?
If I understand everything correctly, there's a strong central realm resisting a big gang bang? The gang bangers must be awfully poor strategists. Attrition is my best friend, and attacking realms don't use it enough.
You're kidding, right? The CE-bloc that's in the center is the single most notorious "gang-bang" offender in the game. The rest of the island got tired of them dictating every war and finally "united" to do something about it. CE/Tara/Talerium/Coria are not getting "gang-banged" in any way, shape, or form. Add in all the factors, and it's a pretty even fight.
I question the wisdom of signing a treaty that disallows travel over the regions of a realm who you were just sacking the capitol of. :-\
So what does that mean in terms of AT. I do believe that at the opening stages of this war there were some parties that were celebrating something like "CE will finally be taken down!". So...how likely is that going to be anyway?
You must keep in mind that when the treaty between Eston and Coria was signed Tara was still flirting with neutrality and trying to attack CE through Tara was not a real option. I still think it is a terrible option compared with the alternative of walking through a broken Talerium right into CE.
Pretty much it means that unless the Northern Alliance can get its act together and get through to put severe pressure on northern CE, then CE will actually end up expanding its power in all likelihood.
Would be nice for Eston to do its part. It takes forever for Darka and BoM to get down there, but they have a near instant refit time. Therefore they would be the logical choice for offensive actions.
At any rate, I think it is hard to argue with the fact that CE, Tara, Talerium, and Coria have the single most organized and efficient allied military system on Atamara, and likely in the entire gameI'll give you CE and Tara. They obviously have close coordination. Long practice and geographic proximity are probably the biggest factors in this. CE/Taras central position on the island is a major advantage, given that the political situation effectively negates the similarly major disadvantage of all of those miles and miles of borders. They've been able to narrow the frontlines to a very narrow stretch of land that is easily defended by their massive armies.
I still think it is a terrible option compared with the alternative of walking through a broken Talerium right into CE.If that were only an option, the war might already be over. :(
Please, outline for me the course of action Eston should take to adequately "do its part".
We have been unable to break through Talerium to get to CE without Darkan support, and even if we to get through Coria, so what? We sit and fight huge Taran/CE armies with no harm done to CE... which is the goal, if I'm not mistaken.
Eston should go on the offensive into Coria. Yes, I know, the treaty, but it was a stupid one to sign in the first place, given that we were plundering their capitol with impunity.
But woop-de-doo you sacked our Capital and left when a large army of CE/Tara had arrived. You didn't even achieve that through a huge Military victory. It was completed through political finesse.Actually it was along the lines of taking advantage of a serendipitous opportunity.
I still think it is a terrible option compared with the alternative of walking through a broken Talerium right into CE.
Because I swear to god, that luring the duke out and then attacking was /not/ planned. There was no northern conspiracy to lure the duke away.
Creating another "warpath" may not be the only solution, but it seems to me to be a solution. It would allow the north to cut a fairly direct line to Eaglin, Cagil or even, for the big cash, Calis. Of course, that would mean fighting the way through Talerium, but is that more or less appealing than the current situation? Not for me to decide, obviously, but its a question that should be asked if things are to change.
There are a gazillion ways to make this war happen but it requires a strong core alliance to face another strong core alliance.Our isn't working like this unfortunately.As a player this is my opinion.
However, this is the first time in my 4 year memory of the game that the realms of North have all allied to fight together. Traditionally, we northern realms argue and bicker and fight each other. We managed to not be fighting each other now, but we are still stuck in our arguing and bickering. Somehow, if we're going to win, we've got to figure our how be one cohesive unit without all the constant disagreements.
He did admit he doesn't really know what is going on with regards to AT :)
Yup, I'm completely clueless. I put the dynamic map next to the diplomacy page and still can't really figure out what's going on. All I know is that Minas Ithil ain't doing much of anything.
I'm not playing in AT right now, but from what I gathered here:
CE, Tara, Talerium, Coria are the central block, fighting mostly northwards.
Darka, BoM, and Eston (not sure if the other northern realms are included) are a not very cohesive block against the central block. But Darka is friendly with Talerium, Eston is friendly with Coria.
Carelia, Caergoth and Suville are apparently fighting Tara?
I'm not playing in AT right now, but from what I gathered here:
CE, Tara, Talerium, Coria are the central block, fighting mostly northwards.
Darka, BoM, and Eston (not sure if the other northern realms are included) are a not very cohesive block against the central block. But Darka is friendly with Talerium, Eston is friendly with Coria.
Carelia, Caergoth and Suville are apparently fighting Tara?
Hehe, well, Suville's just been very responsive. The balance isn't tipped though. Check your letters, I suggest (",)
I would, but I find myself in prison. Talk about humiliating...
Heh. I saw that in the turn announcements and thought "not a good start to the war..." :D
Let['s hope it goes better than the last few time we hit (or tried to hit) Tucha.
Unfortunately, I was wounded during the battle. That wasn't as bad as happened to one of our allies, whose unit lost two men, retreated. During the retreat, 15 men were slaughtered.
What is bad luck but another man's good fortune?
With the north finally getting its act together (hopefully it stays that way) the loss of the quite pathetic Suvillian contributions (assuming 1. Caergoth's new Queen and I can't bully them back in or 2. they don't actually attack Carelia, and I'd say odds are pretty even split between those) isn't going to hurt Carelia as much as the northern armies are going to hurt the central alliance.
I don't think that Carelia is in the position to bully anyone. Good luck with that.
I don't think that Carelia is in the position to bully anyone. Good luck with that.
And, you know, blatant treaty breaking tends to make people feel guilty and susceptible to bullying.
I don't know the full details of this treaty, and I'm going to state potentially a biased opinion, but Carelia has had plenty of time to honour their own side of the agreement made with Suville, which was in the form of land I believe?
I don't know the full details of this treaty, and I'm going to state potentially a biased opinion, but Carelia has had plenty of time to honour their own side of the agreement made with Suville, which was in the form of land I believe?
From what I've experienced, Carelia's new leader seems extremely reasonable, and a nice guy actually, but this doesn't mean he isn't a snake worshiper, which is a shame as Saeculo doesn't dislike him personally. Not compared to the likes of Regulus and Sigurd.
Nope. Treaty was that Caergoth got Ser'quea when Carelia got a city, which happened, and Suville would get Wayburg when Carelia got another city
I'm almost offended you didn't mention Laszlo in there. I thought we had a beautiful IC grudge going.
Indeed, and my point was you've had plenty of time to gain another city from the CE, you've had a much larger force than the Empire. You can't blame your allies for getting fed up of any lack of progress. Maybe I'm not being entirely fair to Carelia, but I am surprised you haven't done better, the start of the War and the acquisition of Skalk couldn't have gone better, yet since then it seems you have been on the back foot.
If we are being honest, Coria and Hammarsett will never live alongside each other peacefully. If this War doesn't end in total destruction for either realm, this will be the modern equivalent of North and South Korea!
Well, that's certainly how it has worked out. Hammarsett needs to expand if it's ever going to thrive. It didn't have to be at Coria's expense (nor will it necessarily end up that way), but events have conspired to make Coria the best opportunity by far.
I'm almost offended you didn't mention Laszlo in there. I thought we had a beautiful IC grudge going.
This is quite simply not true, or at least heavily biased. Hammarsett has had opportunities to expand in the "other" direction but have chosen not to. More like, Hammarsett's choices of allies and pretty much overeager and bad leaders (in terms of diplomacy only) led to the current situation. Ceaselessly pissing off Coria hasn't done them any good. Now of course, Coria is probably your best and only opportunity to expand. Granted, I doubt it will succeed, because that requires the north to actually win this war before the south completely crumbles.
Not to mention Coria's war resources dwarfs that of Hammarsett, and Coria will win any 1v1 style fight against them. (IMO)
I'm just wondering, but does the realm status board in Hammarsett have a saying: "Make enemies of Corian leaders" ? I mean, I'm seriously curious because this has been happening since Merlin was ruler and without fail each new ruler just doesn't get along with ours. haha :)
This is quite simply not true, or at least heavily biased. Hammarsett has had opportunities to expand in the "other" direction but have chosen not to. More like, Hammarsett's choices of allies and pretty much overeager and bad leaders (in terms of diplomacy only) led to the current situation. Ceaselessly pissing off Coria hasn't done them any good. Now of course, Coria is probably your best and only opportunity to expand. Granted, I doubt it will succeed, because that requires the north to actually win this war before the south completely crumbles.
Not to mention Coria's war resources dwarfs that of Hammarsett, and Coria will win any 1v1 style fight against them. (IMO)
I'm just wondering, but does the realm status board in Hammarsett have a saying: "Make enemies of Corian leaders" ? I mean, I'm seriously curious because this has been happening since Merlin was ruler and without fail each new ruler just doesn't get along with ours. haha :)
I'm just wondering, but does the realm status board in Hammarsett have a saying: "Make enemies of Corian leaders" ?I think it's the national pastime of all northern realms: "Piss off Coria whenever possible."
I think it's the national pastime of all northern realms: "Piss off Coria whenever possible."
But, honestly, you put yourself in the prime position to anger each and every one of your northern neighbors. I don't understand why you would be surprised at the outcome. (Except for Eston. I have no idea what you guys managed to slip into their water supply.)
Really, it's just the national pastime of all northern realms to piss off everyone they can. The only reason they aren't all fighting each other is this weird unification in the common enemy of the CE.
As for our relations, it's as much Coria's fault as ours. Your leaders are at least as good at annoying us as vice versa. I've never dealt with Merlin myself, but if he was anything like Saeculo then he would have gotten on Laszlo's nerves too.
(Except for Eston. I have no idea what you guys managed to slip into their water supply.)
I don't pretend that Coria is an angel, we've used certain things to our advantage. But during the period in which we were neutral, we were completely neutral and I see the declarations against us more as the North's frustration at the lack of success in the current War.
That's partially true, but there are other reasons. Like the fact that Laszlo is convinced Coria was going to attack Hammarsett in the end no matter what.
And the fact that we can't get at Tara without going through Coria.
And the fact that in Laszlo's view you violated your neutrality when you attacked Darkan and Barony troops on Taran soil. There are lots of reasons in fact. It was not out of pure pique.
Although I do find it extremely odd from a player's point of view as to how it is exactly that the north fights Coria specifically so much.
I've had my Servants burn any letter with a Hammard seal before delivering it to me.
Eston is a completely different kettle of fish, and Saeculo really likes Kerwin, whether this is to the detriment of Coria shall remain to be seen, but after this War is over, I can't see either realm being very bitter about the other. Which is fortunate as I'd much rather burn Darka or BoM to the ground than Eston... haha :-* But seriously, there seems to be a mutual respect between Coria and Eston which is why we get on well, whereas I've always felt that Kostaja and Sordnaz have never been the most sincere. Saeculo trusts Kerwin whereas he doesn't the others and perhaps this has an influence on how Coria is seen by the North.
because the path the North was on wasn't going anywhere unless Darka would attack Talerium... and they wouldn't.
I'm not really sure why Eston and Coria started getting along so well and why they've been able to maintain that relationship throughout this conflict.
Has he seriously not noticed his secretary wearing a sage's hat that has a gold lion on it?
Wait, what? Who and who's secretary?
I think it is certainly a fair point that pretty much my statements as well as those from the other side are both tainted by IC biases at times. (if not all the time).
Although I do find it extremely odd from a player's point of view as to how it is exactly that the north fights Coria specifically so much.You keep getting in our way! Grr... >:(
They broke Corian neutrality and the terms of our peace agreement. It was made specifically clear that the Northern regions of Coria were out of bounds. Whilst they deny it IC, I personally believe they knew this quite well and were testing Coria. I wasn't going to allow them to not only break the peace agreement, but then attack our ally. So Corian troops defended Tara, after the North betrayed their own word and not for the first time. Again, the North started the aggression first.This is the first time I've ever heard any such condition on the agreement Darka had with Tara. From what I was told, the agreement was that the north could use Corian regions to attack CE, but not Tara, unless Tara attacked first. And Tara did attack, going against their word they gave at the beginning of the conflict that they wouldn't. Which then freed up the north to attack Tara through Coria. (Plus Coria's blatant interference in the war by sending troops to help Tara in the war really torqued off a few people.) I've never heard any conditions on "you can use these regions, but not these".
You have them burn it before delivering it to you? That's a bit odd. "Here, my lord, this pile of ashes came for you today."
That isn't to say however, that Eston's solidarity isn't with the North. Eston wants the CE damaged more than anything, and while Kerwin definitely tried to dissuade another war with Coria, and won't participate in it, he also saw that something had to happen to change the course of the war, because the path the North was on wasn't going anywhere unless Darka would attack Talerium... and they wouldn't.Unfortunately, Eston chose a course in the war that greatly increased the likelihood of CE winning. And you can't entirely blame Darka for stalling the war. Eston *knew* that Darka wouldn't attack Talerium, yet still chose to sign a treaty with Coria that specifically excluded any other course. You had to know that this would piss off everyone.
I've never heard any conditions on "you can use these regions, but not these".
Unless your Character is called Kerwin, Sordnaz or Kostaja ...then you wouldn't have necessarily heard it. Saying that, I'm really surprised you haven't, as this was made crystal clear throughout the agreement. I didn't want the North eating up the small amount of food Coria manages to produce, not to mention the "accidental" battles which occured at least twice when either BoM or Darka attacked Corian troops within Corian territory when we were supposed to be at peace. That really hacked off at least the Corian military council. It's not hard to order your troops to not be aggressive when in neutral lands.Hard to order? Not at all. And it was ordered. Doesn't mean everyone follows orders. I always wondered, though, why the peace treaty wasn't officially declared, and everything was left at neutral. That's just begging for incidents.
In regards to the Tara thing, you started marching through without even mentioning it to any Corian. Talk about taking our neutrality for granted. Our allies respected the peace we made with the North, didn't use our lands and didn't attack our nobles. The North was a shambles when it came to upholding their part of the agreement. Hammard troops entered Corian lands on no less than five occasions when they were unwelcome, and Darka and BoM actually attacked Corian nobles when they were inside Coria!I really have no idea what the Hammarpeople were doing. If they violated the agreement on their part, you'll have to get an explanation from them. All I know is what Darka did. From our point of view, we didn't break the agreement. (If you discount the two accidental battles.) From what I know of the agreement, once Tara entered Eston lands, that constitutes Tara attacking, and opened up Corian lands for attacks on Tara. The agreement did not require any notification. We always assumed that if Coria ever saw our armies, they'd just tell CE/Tara we were coming anyway. So why give them any more warning?
As we are trying to be an honourable realm, I didn't want to break the peace, so I'm glad the North did, because it just confirmed that you guys couldn't be trusted which is what Saeculo always suspected. (When I refer to the North, I make an exception with Eston). Let's be fair though, we weren't a match made in heaven and Coria has always been rooting for the Empire and her allies.
The Northern and Southern realms have never had the kind of relationship the CA enjoys. The CA is used to fighting Wars with one another, our nobles like one another and importantly our leaders know one another well and have no resentment.That is definitely a huge advantage the CE bloc has, a long history of working together. That and they don't need a coalition to be able to put together a huge army. CE and Tara individually can field armies that the northern/southern realms have to put together multiple realms to match.
Unfortunately, Eston chose a course in the war that greatly increased the likelihood of CE winning. And you can't entirely blame Darka for stalling the war. Eston *knew* that Darka wouldn't attack Talerium, yet still chose to sign a treaty with Coria that specifically excluded any other course. You had to know that this would piss off everyone.
If the north can march such massive armies to hear them proudly talk about it, why can't they colonize Tucha or Eaglin? Lack of nobles? Between the lot of them, they could each spare a couple. Enough to take a city and a couple of regions. Their job? Hold it. Deny the CA the incomes and food, and add it to your side for lasting damage. How long has this war been going on and I don't think this has been so much as attempted.
Fair point though, from your characters point of view, those reasons you gave were valid. In the same way that I was able to respond with why my character would believe them to be unfair reasons. At the end of the day, it shows exactly why we are at War ;)
Unfortunately, Eston chose a course in the war that greatly increased the likelihood of CE winning. And you can't entirely blame Darka for stalling the war. Eston *knew* that Darka wouldn't attack Talerium, yet still chose to sign a treaty with Coria that specifically excluded any other course. You had to know that this would piss off everyone.
Anyway, what was the part of the agreement that was supposed to declare certain lands off limits?
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All I know is what Darka did. From our point of view, we didn't break the agreement. (If you discount the two accidental battles.) From what I know of the agreement, once Tara entered Eston lands, that constitutes Tara attacking, and opened up Corian lands for attacks on Tara. The agreement did not require any notification.
The agreement also stated that whoever broke the peace between Hammarsett and Coria would have the entirety of the northern alliance turned against them in retribution for breaking such peace. Seeing as Hammarsett attacked and declared war on Coria, I am surprised that the honorable northern realms aren't honoring their agreement to attack Hammarsett now? Of course, this probably wouldn't do much to help their war effort, but who cares about agreements when you gain more benefit by breaking them?
I always wondered, though, why the peace treaty wasn't officially declared
I certainly never would have agreed to it had I been the one in charge at the time,
Why do you think the treaty wasn't officially signed in the first place? Darka and BoM wanted access to the CE, we gave them that and so they were happy (this must be before the Northerners realised those funny spikey things on the map were mountains). Regulus however wanted Corian land, which was point blank refused as the general attitude of Hammarsett at the start of the War was extremely vulture-ish. As a result of this, the Northern realms refused to sign an official peace with us, but were happy to have an unofficial one in place as long as it suited them.
So yeah, the reason an official peace wasn't signed was because of Hammarsett. I stated that an unofficial one was a bad idea, however I was then accused of war mongering and when I stated an unofficial one (not written into game mechanics) held no weight I was promised by the Northerners and by Kostaja that whoever broke the peace would have the entire might of the North to deal with, using the exact words Merlin pointed out. Surprise surprise this didn't materialise at any point when Hammarsett kept breaking the treaty.
Ahahahaha! 'Unofficial'? What a crock! If I had been around at the time, I would likely have focused on simply convincing Sordnaz and Kostaja that there was no point to them signing anything. Which is in fact true. There wasn't, and as you pointed out earlier, they didn't ultimately honor the terms themselves. Eston wants a treaty, Eston gets a treaty. There was no reason for any of the rest of us to go along with it, which is ultimately why it didn't last - it didn't make any sense, and was highly inconvenient to boot, especially once Tara started throwing its weight around more.
There was no reason for any of the rest of us to go along with it, which is ultimately why it didn't last
Ugh. Not this again. How all the Darkans somehow think that Darka refusing to attack Talerium so that their own realm won't come under any fire but at the same time accusing Eston of being weak or stupid for doing the exact same thing is really annoying.Mostly because you *knew* what the situation was before you signed the treaty. You knew that Darka would not go through Talerium. Yet you signed the peace anyway. And *then* you immediately started complaining about the fact that Darka wouldn't march through Talerium. It's like sticking your hand into the fire, and then getting pissed at the fire because you got burned. You knew you'd get burned, but you did it anyway. So you only have yourself to blame for it.
and Hammards, who are more annoying than any real threat. I've never seen so many nobles captured by a bunch of Militia. That was extremely amusing. 8)
Honestly, did Darka's ruler ever actually show your realm the agreement word for word? Or your realm council for that matter? Specific regions were named that could be used to attack CE. (Essentially every single Corian region which could possibly be used to reach CE, with the exception of our capitol. The duchy of Barad Gardor however was off limits, one simple reason being it was no where near CE, and we would starve if more troops were walking through there.)I know that there was one that Eston signed, or wanted to sign, that KK flat out refused to sign. After that, I didn't see any sign of any official agreement. I don't suppose you have a copy anywhere that you could provide?
The agreement also stated that whoever broke the peace between Hammarsett and Coria would have the entirety of the northern alliance turned against them in retribution for breaking such peace.OK, I'm almost 100% positive that these terms your talking about are in the version of the agreement that pretty much every northern realm refused to sign, except perhaps for Eston. I can guarantee that Darka, for one refused to sign the agreement that had those terms in it, and I fairly positive that the Barony choked on those terms as well. I think that if you're going to claim that all the northern realms agreed to this treaty, you're going to have to provide some proof.
OK, I'm almost 100% positive that these terms your talking about are in the version of the agreement that pretty much every northern realm refused to sign, except perhaps for Eston. I can guarantee that Darka, for one refused to sign the agreement that had those terms in it
OK, I'm almost 100% positive that these terms your talking about are in the version of the agreement that pretty much every northern realm refused to sign, except perhaps for Eston. I can guarantee that Darka, for one refused to sign the agreement that had those terms in it, and I fairly positive that the Barony choked on those terms as well. I think that if you're going to claim that all the northern realms agreed to this treaty, you're going to have to provide some proof.
Unless I'm mistaken, this is the treaty that Sordnaz's entire advisory council was against signing because of that crap.
We were against that one, and we were against that terrible !@#$ing joke that was the Eston-Coria peace treaty.
Of course you were. Your ass isn't on the line in any way shape or form. This whole conflict is one big fun, goat riding raid for the Barony. They'll never suffer no matter the out come of it.
The majority of the North wouldn't have been able to reach the CE or Coria without that unofficial treaty which lasted for a few months. So how do you figure that one out? You had no military access. All we wanted was a 1v1 fight against Hammarsett, but your friends wouldn't agree to it. The only reason you've been able to break the unofficial treaty is because Eston has broke the official one we had as well.
That's when we pretty much started doing whatever we pleased.
Lets see:
1. Ignoring agreements
2. Interfering in and trying to influence diplomatic discussions of other realms
3. And doing whatever you want to do regardless of what anyone else wants.
Yep, that certainly seems like exactly the complaints against CE as the reason for the current war. Cheers! We've come full circle!
and Darka and BoM actually attacked Corian nobles when they were inside Coria!
Lets see:
1. Ignoring agreements
2. Interfering in and trying to influence diplomatic discussions of other realms
3. And doing whatever you want to do regardless of what anyone else wants.
Yep, that certainly seems like exactly the complaints against CE as the reason for the current war. Cheers! We've come full circle!
I've never really bought this argument the CA keeps trying to make. It's a false equivalence.
What exactly is the difference?
What exactly is the difference?Well, your itemized list is hardly anything that I've claimed. But still, I do see differences.
So...who's winning anyway? Last I took notice, CE was still the dominant power on AT.
At this point, its a question of whether the colony will be in Icegate or Azzal. I'd presume the matter's already under quiet discussion.
Finton.
This sounds so "singular". I mean cmon, there are still 23 cities not underneath the banner of the CE alliance, I'm sure that can accommodate more than one colony. ;)
jk?
My only solace in regard to this is that the player count in in decline....
Which is... also depressing...
Agreed. I think the Empire itself is probably the only realm on the continent that could even think about a colony right now, and it probably won't be very big. The lack of players suggests to me that this war isn't going to have a particularly satisfying outcome for anyone, not even the victors. I mean, it's always good to win, but I find it very unlikely that any realm involved will actually end up being destroyed, except perhaps Hammarsett because it is the only realm small enough for that to realistically happen to it.
To be fair, Coria could also be destroyed, not just Hammarsett. Granted, I doubt either of us could conceivably control all of the others territory with our current lack of nobles but that's just how it is.
The interesting thing is if the estate changes are completed before the war ends, that will open up a lot of new possibilities as you wouldn't need any knights in a realm at all potentially.
The interesting thing is if the estate changes are completed before the war ends, that will open up a lot of new possibilities as you wouldn't need any knights in a realm at all potentially.I don't know that I'd go *that* far. If you don't have knights, your region won't have much income. The new estate code will not be a return to the 2005/6 era, where you could control as many regions as you could defend.
To be fair, Coria could also be destroyed, not just Hammarsett. Granted, I doubt either of us could conceivably control all of the others territory with our current lack of nobles but that's just how it is.
The interesting thing is if the estate changes are completed before the war ends, that will open up a lot of new possibilities as you wouldn't need any knights in a realm at all potentially.
I don't know that I'd go *that* far. If you don't have knights, your region won't have much income. The new estate code will not be a return to the 2005/6 era, where you could control as many regions as you could defend.
All you need in the new system will be a Lord for the region. But you will need a lord, unlike (at one point) when even lords weren't needed.
If you don't have the number of knights the game thinks you need, then your tax collection will be inefficient and you will get less gold. Your stats will not be otherwise hurt.
Extra tax reduction factor, I believe, though we'll see how the coding works out.
You wouldn't have any income either.
Any chance they'll be done before 2012?
All you need in the new system will be a Lord for the region. But you will need a lord, unlike (at one point) when even lords weren't needed.
If you don't have the number of knights the game thinks you need, then your tax collection will be inefficient and you will get less gold. Your stats will not be otherwise hurt.
Extra tax reduction factor, I believe, though we'll see how the coding works out.
Not only reduction but also a bonus I hope? That's the best thing of the estate system, crazy high taxes if you have enough knights.
Amusing how Aldarion is spinning infiltrator attacks.
Think Athena can manage an execution a week? They seem to make for better entertainment than tournaments (",)
Well that's the last time I use Battlemaster on my phone! I've just paused my character by accident. How long is it before I can unpause again?
Well that's the last time I use Battlemaster on my phone! I've just paused my character by accident. How long is it before I can unpause again?
It could be said that CE's allies are taking the hits, but not even Coria is being hurt badly enough to turn against CE. What hope then is there for Talerium or, even less likely, Tara to turn on them? Carelia's suffering, Suville's pulled out of the war (for now) and for all the efforts of the north, it seems more to avoid TMP than to make any strategic gains in the war. If things continue the way they are, or grow worse, for the southeast then it won't be too long before they're cowed and CE marches north in force.
At this point, its a question of whether the colony will be in Icegate or Azzal. I'd presume the matter's already under quiet discussion.
Finton.
Do you reckon Carna's an RL soothsayer? ;-)
I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
Naw, he's just hiding my true soothsaying ability...
I like the fact that they attacked BEFORE declaring war. ::)
I like the fact that they attacked BEFORE declaring war. ::)
What is this "war declaration" of which you speak? Battles first, Politics much later down the line...
I've actually come to despise virtually everything about Atamara, despite having a very well established character there. Even the current war is getting stale and uninteresting.
Atamara is the island where change, if it comes at all, is incremental at best. I think the single most exciting thing that's happened in the three years I've had a character there has been the destruction of Norland. And what else has happened in that time? Nothing at all of consequence really. I guess the footnote named Falasan finally bit the dust... Hammarsett got founded and replaced Falasan as the continental footnote... Hmmmmm. Yeah, that's really it. In three. Entire. YEARS. If I tried to sum up everything that's happened on the other islands I play on during that time I'd have trouble figuring out where to begin. With Atamara it's coming up with anything to say at all that's difficult.
I'm sure plenty of people would argue that the current war should count as something exciting. I'd agree if it wasn't so damned boring in its own right. We've been fighting for what, seven-eight months now? AND WHAT THE HELL HAS CHANGED? A few regions have changed hands or gone rogue, but I could probably count those on my fingers. In eight MONTHS of fighting. This, to me, is the essence of Atamara. Virtual stasis in all things is the order of the day. Nothing truly interesting ever happens on this forsaken mausoleum of an island.
</rant> 8)
Hey, this war may be boring, but at least Atamara managed to conduct a relatively even war. I mean when was the last we had a war on Atamara that wasn't a huge like 5 vs 1 gangbang? ::)
Prediction: Carelia to be double-crossed by Caergoth and Suville when the war either drags on too long or Carelia starts losing. Would place money on it.
Oh by the way: You're looking pretty smart right now. ;D
Edit: Also richer, if you did in fact place money on it.
Hey, this war may be boring, but at least Atamara managed to conduct a relatively even war. I mean when was the last we had a war on Atamara that wasn't a huge like 5 vs 1 gangbang? ::)
Carna's rant...
Suville in particular, there's plenty of people there who remember what happened when Abington was in a much, much, much better position and got hammered to pieces. Darka may think (with some reason) that their gold stores are enough that no one can actually touch them.
I have no idea what Suville expects and to be honest i don't care but after this war ends ,whatever the outcome i would believe many realms expect to be the next target "gang banned" and especially Darka.
I believe Darka already escaped that situation so far because it worked for the right side,now that this has changed i wouldn't believe there is a single Darkan that doesn't see a war on it's doorstep coming.
And those darn Estons still can't see that we need to take out Coria! :P
If CE/Tara directly attacks Darka, then the Talerium border may be the only thing that lets Darka hold them off. Assuming Talerium honors the border as strongly as Darka did.
Even if Talerium did, which I think highly unlikely...So what? If this war falls apart, then the CE-bloc can roll over Talerium easily enough if they get antsy.CE could indeed roll over Talerium if they wanted to, just as Darka could have crushed Talerium if it had wanted to. If we had, then this war may have taken a very different course. Or it could have gone much worse for the north. Who knows? The point is, that Darka took as much, or more, flak over the border agreement with Talerium as Eston did for their treaties with Coria. I would hope that would mean something to Talerium. And if CE has to attack Talerium to get to Darka, then at least they will have lost one steadfast ally.
The south will be broken, the north will at best be highly limited, and there won't be anyone with enough strength to hold them offYou're probably right.
Me? I think that the rulers of Atamara secretly support CE's continued rulership of the continent. Eston won't attack Coria (or vice versa) and Darka won't attack Talerium (or vice versa). I haven't paid too much attention to the lakeside war, so I can't say that the northern realms up there are failing to push, but what do they hope to do, march through the realm that was specifically built to provide a buffer to CE? If you think about it, Coria's nothing but a long chokepoint that any northern army will have to fight their way through.
And those darn Estons still can't see that we need to take out Coria! :P
If CE/Tara directly attacks Darka, then the Talerium border may be the only thing that lets Darka hold them off. Assuming Talerium honors the border as strongly as Darka did.
But seriously, it is *so* annoying having to march all the way over to Hammsrsett lands to fight someone.
And BTW: Hello Tucha!
And yet our King still can't see that we need to take out Talerium...
Oh by the way: You're looking pretty smart right now. ;D
Edit: Also richer, if you did in fact place money on it.
And those darn Estons still can't see that we need to take out Coria! :P
I proposed marching through Belegmon and either attacking Barad Falas or looting through the rurals and mountains back to Menedor. That was shot down.
I don't understand how you people even think this is feasible when we are engaged in a perpetual effort to keep a Talerium/Cagilan army from marching through Nazamroth to either 1) burn our heartlands to the ground or 2) attempt to sack Barad Falas.
You REALLY don't think the most logical and feasible course of action for the Northern Alliance is to have Darka stop marching huge distances to fight one battle then march back and instead have them easily crush Talerium and turn the war in our favor?
I don't understand how you people even think this is feasible when we are engaged in a perpetual effort to keep a Talerium/Cagilan army from marching through Nazamroth to either 1) burn our heartlands to the ground or 2) attempt to sack Barad Falas.
You REALLY don't think the most logical and feasible course of action for the Northern Alliance is to have Darka stop marching huge distances to fight one battle then march back and instead have them easily crush Talerium and turn the war in our favor?
Would you fight Coria should they do that?
I don't understand how you people even think this is feasible when we are engaged in a perpetual effort to keep a Talerium/Cagilan army from marching through Nazamroth to either 1) burn our heartlands to the ground or 2) attempt to sack Barad Falas.I think the most feasible think to have done was to have burned down Barad Falas and destroyed Coria when we were sitting in their capital for an entire week, while Eston went behind everyone's back and signed a worse-than-useless treaty with Coria. The entire current situation in the east with Hammarsett never would have happened if we had done that.
You REALLY don't think the most logical and feasible course of action for the Northern Alliance is to have Darka stop marching huge distances to fight one battle then march back and instead have them easily crush Talerium and turn the war in our favor?If Darka had mustered a huge army, along with perhaps the Barony and a significant portion of Eston, and run straight for Cagil and sacked the crap out of it, we could have made significant progress in the war. A little bid of good timing with Carelia and it could have been done. Talerium's armies have always been small and mostly an annoyance, rather than a significant fighting force. My character even proposed such a move in-game, more than once. Unfortunately, diplomacy gets in the way.
I think the most feasible think to have done was to have burned down Barad Falas and destroyed Coria when we were sitting in their capital for an entire week, while Eston went behind everyone's back and signed a worse-than-useless treaty with Coria. The entire current situation in the east with Hammarsett never would have happened if we had done that.
What would this have really achieved?Well, Hammarsett wouldn't be on the verge of extinction, because Tara and Coria were, well, hammering on them. This would let the north focus more on Tara, and expanding Hammarsett to make them a viable realm.
Or we would have to march over the mountains, something we could still do now but don't, obviously, because it doesn't work.If Coria didn't exist, we wouldn't have to march through the mountains. We could have gone right through Barad Falas to hit Tara's northern regions. And possibly linking with Carelia for joint attacks. Again, allowing Hamamrsett to expand.
How is destroying Coria IN ANY WAY a better strategy than neutralizing Talerium?I didn't say it was better. It was just more realistic, and more likely to happen. Darka has made clear from the start of the war, and probably before, that they would not attack Talerium. Good/bad doesn't matter. It just wasn't going to happen. And that's really what sticks in the craw of many people. Eston knew, or should have known if they were paying attention, that Darka simply would not attack Talerium under any circumstances. It's been Darka's policy for years. But Eston ignored that, and tried to force the northern alliance down a path that one of the largest members of it refused to follow.
Nothing that any of you are proposing though has anything to do with fighting and hurting CE. Simply put, to hurt CE you have to go through either mountains (Coria) or Talerium. If the NA's goals in this war were to hurt CE as they say, then even destroying Coria and burning some of Tara does nothing to accomplish this.
Talerium and a token CE force can hold the mountain-pass indefinitely while not losing any ground in the south against Carelia. In other words, even if you are 100% successful in all that this strategy would entail, you are still 0% successful in actually hurting CE the realm itself.
P.S. As far as destroying Coria goes, none of that would have even been necessary due to us having been out of the war by treaty. However, y'all chose to bring us back into the war and thus we caused problems once again.
Hammarsett has been plagued by poor coordination with and amongst our allies.
Some poor strategic choices were also made, such as attacking fortified regions. Those campaigns resulted in stiff losses and forced our allies to refit while Tara and Coria were then free to burn large tracts of Hammarsett to the ground after suffering minimal losses in defense.
Nothing that any of you are proposing though has anything to do with fighting and hurting CE.Of course it does. You can hurt someone and change the relative balance of power in more ways that just dropping CE's region count a few notches.
Talerium and a token CE force can hold the mountain-pass indefinitely while not losing any ground in the south against Carelia.Which is why I wanted to completely wipe Coria off the map, so we could march through Barad Falas, and go around the mountains. And yes, I know that puts me in Northern Tara. Sounds almost perfect.
In other words, even if you are 100% successful in all that this strategy would entail, you are still 0% successful in actually hurting CE the realm itself.Only if you're only yardstick is how much physical damage you do to CE regions. It is possible to weaken CE overall by distracting and damaging their allies, and allowing the northern alliance to grow stronger.
P.S. As far as destroying Coria goes, none of that would have even been necessary due to us having been out of the war by treaty. However, y'all chose to bring us back into the war and thus we caused problems once again.That was the !@#$tiest treaty ever written, so far as the northern alliance goes. Completely unacceptable to anyone but Eston. Coria was /not/ out of the war, as evidenced by your "trip to the family home" expedition, or whatever you called it, that was a (not very) disguised military expedition.
It doesn't much matter now. Darka has shown the world the only reason they were feared is because of the large number of cs they would bring swooping down into the middle of any gangbang.
Now that you have a long, complicated war you can barely muster 2/3 of that, have long marches that put you out of the war most of the time, and can't coordinate a tea party with your allies.
It won't be much longer before Hammarsett and Minas Ithil fall, and then the Coria/Tara/CE/(Talerium) axis will be so strong Eston and Darka will become the latest footnote in history.
Darka has shown the world the only reason they were feared is because of the large number of cs they would bring swooping down into the middle of any gangbang.So, you finally noticed that Darka is no different than any other realm, eh? The only reason any realm is feared is because fo the large amount of CS they can wield. Some realms wield it directly, others when combined with allies.
Now that you have a long, complicated war you can barely muster 2/3 of that, have long marches that put you out of the war most of the time, and can't coordinate a tea party with your allies.You're right, Darka's strength has dropped. But not because it's along war. It's because for Darka, it's mostly a boring war. Too much marching. Not enough fighting. Too much politics. Not enough fighting. All those people that joined Darka at the start of the war, because they thought "This is finally the war where we get to stick it to CE", realized that this war is just like most wars. Long and boring, except for those who are fighting on their borders.
It won't be much longer before Hammarsett and Minas Ithil fall, and then the Coria/Tara/CE/(Talerium) axis will be so strong Eston and Darka will become the latest footnote in history.You could very well be right.
Like the time 30-region CE and its allies felt threatened by tiny Falasan?
I think the assumption that the Cagilan Empire would wish to destroy realms, just because they are fighting against them, is false. It would be more about the conduct during the war, the relations before the war, and the manner in which the war was declared.
It isn't so much destroying other realms that is the goal, of course, but of establishing colonies to become their puppet allies and buffer states.
I wonder if CE & allies will be able to plant successful colonies at this point. One new colony would probably be the most they could manage and the south would be an easier place to found it than the north. Talerium has 21 nobles to manage 15 regions (1.4 ratio). Coria will be stretched thin if it is able to reclaim all the rogue regions around it. CE and Tara are in better shape but it doesn't look like they would be able to contribute very many nobles to a colony either.
This could change quite a bit if and when the new estate system moves to stable.
Yeah, it could change things quite a bit. Its going to hurt some realms though. Talerium and other realms near or below 2 nobles per region should see a decrease in income.
And, I think, can be reached in Celtiberia.
CE has 73 nobles. Admittedly, 28 regions. But they haven't been afraid to take lands from Carelia for the entire war so they are presumably confident of securing as far as Strombran. And that's under the current estate system. If CE wanted to expand its authority on the continent - and lets face it, they do - then I can easily see how they'd be interested in more than one colony resulting from this war. If the estate system came in here on stable, I would believe that the current conflict won't end until they get three.
Maybe I'm overestimating them or their ambition, but the last time I was in CE, that definitely fits the mindset.
Finton.
Of course not. CE isn't going to get too friendly with realms that wanted to burn Calis to the ground. That's what CTO's are for :)
We won't see a unified Atamara, thank God. CE doesn't want that. They want to be the big boys who people are very, very wary of irritating. They want their lands to be safe and they want to be able to go off and have a bit of fun fighting a war or two. Good for noble retention. So they'll purposefully sabotage themselves if they ever get even close to that level of success. Doesn't mean they'll ever give anyone a fair fight. Why the hell would they?
Finn ;D
Who the hell wants to play on an island where one realm basically dictates the outcome of every conflict?
Its not as if CE are unbeatable. Its just that the other realm's don't really want CE to be beaten. The south east is in tatters due to infighting and lack of motivation. The others either send token forces or refuse to make a united push to attack CE, rather than CE's buffers. Look at the distance Darka travels. CE are good and deserve recognition for that fact, but they're not the one's hamstringing the efforts against them. Their enemies ensure their continued dominance. I don't doubt that there are a lot of people who'd like to see things change, but there are actually more that don't. Everyone in the "Central Alliance" presumably doesn't want to see the situation change and while there are people outside who do, if it was everyone there wouldn't be all these complications or failure to follow orders.
I'm unsympathetic because CE's rulership of Atamara is only possible because others allow it, whether by assisting or by not devoting every resource to removing them from that position. I agree that the whole thing isn't ideal for overall gameplay, but I won't blame or hold it against them because they're only doing, very well, what they should do and have loyal allies.
Meh.
I just want to congratulate Severus Scarlett's player on nearly choking me to death earlier today with the following hilarity:
"somewhere between your letters and the Queen's was lain and incubated the Egg of Disaster, which hath now hatched into the Chicken of Regret."
That's pretty amazing ;D
I would definitely be giving a fun medal for that!!
I don't think I can give out medals. At least, I don't know how, and (like nearly everything else) it isn't explained anywhere.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Help:Medals (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Help:Medals)
Look at what comes up if you search for "Medals" on the BM Wiki (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=Medals&fulltext=Search). The first link that comes up is "Sandalak (SEI)/Recipients of Service medals." Please don't imply that I didn't even bother looking around, because I did.
Yeah, but as much as Eston and Darka not attacking Coria and Talerium respectively doesn't particularly help, the real issue as I see it is Darka failing to disregard Talerium's military and, along with Eston's armies, march right through northeast Talerium to decimate Eaglin and the surrounding regions. Or hit Cagil. Or Calis. All three of CE's biggest cities are on the west side of that river and Darka and Eston together could well capitalize on that. It won't make the fight substantially easier for the anti-CE alliance given that CE are mostly terrorizing the poor defenseless (seems that way, at least) Carelia but long-term if there's a want to weaken or disarm CE, it's to hit its big gold production. Burning food won't, obviously, do much good with so much food producing land on either side of the river. Which does bring up the interesting point of rather than Eston/Darka hitting CE's fortified cities, they coordinate a looting raid right down the depth of CE on the west bank of the river with the northern realms hitting the eastern bank down to Esgalons or Vornion. Course, the northern realms would have to break through.
Tara is CE. The banners should give that away. Ottar is very close with his brother, a senior member of the Imperial Senate. While he's in power, Tara will be unquestionably loyal to their Federated allies. If those badlands of Tara's were rural regions, there wouldn't be a point of even bothering looting CE unless you've emptied Tara's warehouses first and burned their fields. And let's face it, a Tyranny makes for good army discipline >:( Inseperable as they are, Tara should be the primary concern of the north (Barony, MI, etc.) If you can't kill them, cripple them at the least. Send a properly loyal noble or two down who don't look too loyal to you. Join the underground. See if you can stir strife against Ottar. Or send traders down to Tara/CE to buy all their food to cause a little starvation. No one remembers CE doing that to Eston?
And speaking of Eston, I don't blame them for their diplomacy with Coria. I'm biased, but I'd see it as a nice little stepping stone. Hell, that's what I saw it as - much to my irritation at the time - when I was in CE. And not a good stepping stone. Coria likes its independence. It doesn't forget its masters, but it hates being viewed as CE's colony or buffer or domain. They like to feel more important than that - and not without just cause - and no doubt welcomes the thoughts of having their own diplomacy that isn't dominated by CE's foreign policy. But they know CE is better than you. Ask Mr. Dante there. But turning Coria's alliegence wouldn't be a bad thing. Think of their two big cities, their future mountain holdings, and consider the access that provides into Tara and/or CE? Hammersett has its problems with Coria, I acknowledge, but they're not a real realm and could even be gifted to Coria (read as bribery) at the start of their inclusion in the war against CE.
So yeah. I've had this building up in me for ages now but, y'know, loyalty to my first realm is hard to get over. This is, if you ask me, how you beat CE. The southeast is a mess. Ignore them. Heh, the problem is of course that this would require the level of unity CE and its allies rely on, not something the rest can really lay claim to. Still, people complain about Atamara being stagnant. I tend to disagree not because a lot happens or changes, but because its the status quo that most people readily accept. Stagnant? Maybe. But its not a necessary state for the continent, in my mind, because its something that could change if there really was all this devotion to taking down CE we see on the forums and the ruler channel. Course, now I'm starting to get why people say Atamara is stagnant. Who knows though? Maybe someone will work behind the scenes to do what I suggest or something else to shake things up. You can usually rely on ambition to provide such people. The usual problem is that the powers that be are quite happy with how things are, so one or two voices are drowned out in yawns. Stagnant, but because not enough people want more than what they already have. Sad. Nobles are meant to be ambitious and cunning not honourable and lazy.
Not that I feel strongly on this or anything... :-X
Look at what comes up if you search for "Medals" on the BM Wiki (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=Medals&fulltext=Search). The first link that comes up is "Sandalak (SEI)/Recipients of Service medals." Please don't imply that I didn't even bother looking around, because I did.
Yeah, but as much as Eston and Darka not attacking Coria and Talerium respectively doesn't particularly help, the real issue as I see it is Darka failing to disregard Talerium's military and, along with Eston's armies, march right through northeast Talerium to decimate Eaglin and the surrounding regions. Or hit Cagil. Or Calis. All three of CE's biggest cities are on the west side of that river and Darka and Eston together could well capitalize on that. It won't make the fight substantially easier for the anti-CE alliance given that CE are mostly terrorizing the poor defenseless (seems that way, at least) Carelia but long-term if there's a want to weaken or disarm CE, it's to hit its big gold production. Burning food won't, obviously, do much good with so much food producing land on either side of the river. Which does bring up the interesting point of rather than Eston/Darka hitting CE's fortified cities, they coordinate a looting raid right down the depth of CE on the west bank of the river with the northern realms hitting the eastern bank down to Esgalons or Vornion. Course, the northern realms would have to break through.
Tara is CE. The banners should give that away. Ottar is very close with his brother, a senior member of the Imperial Senate. While he's in power, Tara will be unquestionably loyal to their Federated allies. If those badlands of Tara's were rural regions, there wouldn't be a point of even bothering looting CE unless you've emptied Tara's warehouses first and burned their fields. And let's face it, a Tyranny makes for good army discipline >:( Inseperable as they are, Tara should be the primary concern of the north (Barony, MI, etc.) If you can't kill them, cripple them at the least. Send a properly loyal noble or two down who don't look too loyal to you. Join the underground. See if you can stir strife against Ottar. Or send traders down to Tara/CE to buy all their food to cause a little starvation. No one remembers CE doing that to Eston?
And speaking of Eston, I don't blame them for their diplomacy with Coria. I'm biased, but I'd see it as a nice little stepping stone. Hell, that's what I saw it as - much to my irritation at the time - when I was in CE. And not a good stepping stone. Coria likes its independence. It doesn't forget its masters, but it hates being viewed as CE's colony or buffer or domain. They like to feel more important than that - and not without just cause - and no doubt welcomes the thoughts of having their own diplomacy that isn't dominated by CE's foreign policy. But they know CE is better than you. Ask Mr. Dante there. But turning Coria's alliegence wouldn't be a bad thing. Think of their two big cities, their future mountain holdings, and consider the access that provides into Tara and/or CE? Hammersett has its problems with Coria, I acknowledge, but they're not a real realm and could even be gifted to Coria (read as bribery) at the start of their inclusion in the war against CE.
So yeah. I've had this building up in me for ages now but, y'know, loyalty to my first realm is hard to get over. This is, if you ask me, how you beat CE. The southeast is a mess. Ignore them. Heh, the problem is of course that this would require the level of unity CE and its allies rely on, not something the rest can really lay claim to. Still, people complain about Atamara being stagnant. I tend to disagree not because a lot happens or changes, but because its the status quo that most people readily accept. Stagnant? Maybe. But its not a necessary state for the continent, in my mind, because its something that could change if there really was all this devotion to taking down CE we see on the forums and the ruler channel. Course, now I'm starting to get why people say Atamara is stagnant. Who knows though? Maybe someone will work behind the scenes to do what I suggest or something else to shake things up. You can usually rely on ambition to provide such people. The usual problem is that the powers that be are quite happy with how things are, so one or two voices are drowned out in yawns. Stagnant, but because not enough people want more than what they already have. Sad. Nobles are meant to be ambitious and cunning not honourable and lazy.
Not that I feel strongly on this or anything... :-X
We actually did attempt to attack CE from that direction for a while. Hammarsett, BoM and Eston made some raids through Talerium. The problem was that Tara's entire army would show up and kick our ass every time we did, hence the shift in strategy. We thought that as long as Tara was intent on propping up the Empire no questions asked, we should probably take the fight to them and try to damage their warmaking ability.
Tara and CE are more or less wedded at the hip, I know. It's disappointing actually. Talerium and Coria are almost window-dressing, those two alone are the real power bloc. As long as Tara and CE are so tightly knit I don't think there's much chance of a change to the status quo.
Yeah, see that's lame. Lame, lame, lame lame, lame. Who the hell wants to play on an island where one realm basically dictates the outcome of every conflict? Sure, it might be fun for CE, and maybe even their hangers-on. For everyone else it just sucks the fun out of the game. Everything they do must play to CE. They are not free to pursue their own agendas naturally. Instead they can only succeed in their endeavors if CE either helps them of turns a blind eye. So basically, conflict-wise, the only way to ever get anything you want is to convince CE to join the war you want to fight on your side, at which time it becomes a horribly one-sided gang bang. That or convince them to not get involved, but since they're basically always looking for an excuse to fight someone just for entertainment, it's pretty much impossible to keep them out of a war unless they're involved in one of their own already.
This right here is pretty much everything I hate about Atamara. It's like an Old Boys Club. There's so much back-patting going on at the highest levels that all conflict on the island always feels contrived and inevitably changes nothing in the grand scheme of things. People complain about our retention problem? This kind of atmosphere I feel is partly to blame. The current war is the best thing to have happened to Atamara in a long time, but it's emblematic of everything that's wrong with Atamara that most of the island united against CE and it still doesn't look like we can beat them.
A history of utterly annihilating one's enemies will do that ;)
The whole business with Caerwyn has us united and in a very bellicose mood. Moderates and peaceniks of all stripes have more or less gone into hiding or been converted into hawks, at least temporarily. This is probably the worst possible time in the history of Dwilight to start trouble with SA, no joke.
The bear is not asleep, it is very awake and very angry, and freshly returned from a very satisfying mauling. So satisfying in fact that it's really considering abandoning rooting for grubs and honey and taking up mauling on a full-time basis, as a sort of professional killer bear. After all it reflects, nature seems to have given it a whole lot of pointy claws and teeth and a large amount of muscle with which to employ them, so perhaps this is what it intended for bears all along, and all those grubs and honey were really just distractions from its true purpose, which is apparently to maul innocent campers, especially ones seen in possession of pointy sticks the sort with which it was recently poked by a couple of particularly overconfident campers, much to their eventual dismay.
Campers beware: Avoid the bear. And avoid picking up pointy sticks. The bear will eventually realize that it can't make a living mauling things, and then it will go back to periodically hibernating and rooting for grubs and honey. But until that time, it would be most unwise for any camper to approach the bear, especially while in possession of a pointy stick.
The same person wrote these two posts? Really?
The same person wrote these two posts? Really?
P.S. Dwilight is bigger, in a geographical sense. Still, its an entirely apt comparison. Caerwyn. Carelia. 'Nuff said?
The same person wrote these two posts? Really?For my part, I don't blame CE for what they've done, or the end result. They've been *very* successful, and have the might to show for it. So long as they have played it all IC, then that's fine with me. Even if they have used strong-arm tactics, dirty politics, etc., it doesn't matter, so long as it's all been IC, and not OOC.
On the case of Eston, if they're still playing as smart as they were, they'd try turn them against Darka. "How about your old Duchy back? And why not wait for Darka to be off fighting Tara before we move in and help you take it, eh?"
I don't care what anyone else says. Leaving Colonies and heading to Atamara was the best decision I've ever made in BM. Right now, I'm having more fun in Atamara than I am in Dwilight or FEI.
Where are you at in Atamara?
Caergoth.
Hey I just noticed that CE is still around. And not only that, but Carelia seems to have lost some stuff.
Er, so how's the whole "Take down CE!" plan doing?
Basically the North is probably about to get really effed up.
Join me and we can destroy Darka as father and son!
As much as this war has made Kerwin despise Darka, it's a tempting offer, son.
The feeling of despise is mutual, I'm sure :P
Woohoo! Darka v. Eston, Round 2!
... Hawthorne would make a nice East Darka.
Let the currying of favor begin.
Let the currying of favor begin.
The sad thing is I think Eston would be much more willing to attack Darka, it's ally, than Coria who is on the opposing side of the war.
No, but they made Eston look like a fool, and punked the entire northern alliance.
Viewpoints, obviously, vary. So far as I am aware, the only people that don't think the treaty made Eston look bad are Eston, and the Corians that sold it to them. And everyone knows you can't trust a salesman to be honest about the goods they're selling.
Eston has consistently demonstrated that they care mostly only about their own interests; that's what the treaty with Coria was all about, and I *dare* anyone to claim otherwise.
You can complain about Darka's relationship with Talerium all you want, but that was a known fact before the war even *started*. Eston pulled the rug out from its own allies mid-conflict so that it could cover its own ass. They basically started hedging against us all losing before it even really got until full swing.
Thus is the problem with the northern alliance. It's a bunch of realms who don't traditionally get along, but are now allies of convenience.
Yep.
But Darka has been the exact same way. They've demonstrated they care little for anything except what directly effects or benefits them.
You're right. Eston doesn't care much for Darka. Darka backstabbed us and stole an entire duchy, what do you expect? Eston to be all lovey dovey toward you?
Thus is the problem with the northern alliance. It's a bunch of realms who don't traditionally get along, but are now allies of convenience.
At least Darka was going out to the front lines to do their fighting.
I have to agree with Perth on this one. Eston has just been fighting on a different front than Darka.
Yes. Yes, she was.
"End it now, or we'll step in and end it for you, and you won't like it",
If anything, CE was hoping that Carelia and Caergoth-Suville would stop fighting, so that the entire south would unite and finally crush the uppity northerners. CE was saber-rattling at Caergoth-Suville to try to pressure them to sign a peace deal with Carelia, because its leaders were worried that Carelia seemed to be losing. Yes, CE was playing the part of a bully, but it was a bully on behalf of Carelia. Those in the know in Caergoth and Suville can confirm this.... which is pretty much what I said. CE was interfering in southern politics. Which you have so kindly detailed for us. Thanks for proving the point so nicely for me.
Kind of an important difference. ;)It makes more sense that it would be against Caergoth and Suville. But overall, it really makes no difference. Carelia's rallying point for the war was not "CE is going to destroy Carelia", it was "CE is meddling in our affairs, let's show them we won't stand for it."
It makes more sense that it would be against Caergoth and Suville. But overall, it really makes no difference. Carelia's rallying point for the war was not "CE is going to destroy Carelia", it was "CE is meddling in our affairs, let's show them we won't stand for it."
Now that it's over though, anyone in the know want to tell me whether all that going on with CE was actually real? Was Carelia about to get done over in a three way between Caergoth, Suville and CE before Leta promised Caergoth/Suville the earth or where those just manufactured fears? Malice will never believe Leta was right in a million years IC, but I'd love to know OOC whether Leta was justified or not!
I thought that was Leta's justification as well... Except that's not what Revan just said. He explicitly said that Leta's justification was "CE is going to gang up on us with Caergoth and Suville. Let's get them before they get us."Rereading what he posted, I see what you mean. But that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't match anything I've ever heard before, including straight from the players of the Kindon and Bedwyr families. Something's not making sense here.
I love how Leta's initial populist justification for war - CE's alleged pronouncements against Magna Serpaensism and wish to 'dominate' Carelia - have not only come to pass, but have now come at an additional cost of two thirds of Carelia!
Rereading what he posted, I see what you mean. But that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't match anything I've ever heard before, including straight from the players of the Kindon and Bedwyr families. Something's not making sense here.
If the threats would have worked they would have won the war with Caergoth and Suville... Why would they throw that away and gamble on taking out the CE?That's short-term thinking. If you only consider the "now", then perhaps that viewpoint would work. It falls apart, though, as soon as you get past "today" and start looking at what happens "next week". I can think of several reasons why Carelia chose the path they did. (Keep in mind I'm trying to think of this IC from Carelia's position.)
Fair point. I am wondering how the plan got sold to Carelia's nobles. So you take two duchies away from one of your neighbors, and then give away two of your own duchies? That's a net gain of, err, zero duchies. All risk for no gain. ...If you reduce the strength of your enemy while holding your own strength steady, then you have greatly increased your relative strength compared to your enemy's. In the most basic terms: 5 CE duchies vs. 4 Carelia duchies means CE is stronger. 3 CE duchies vs. 4 Carelia duchies means Carelia is stronger, even though Carelia still has only 4 duchies.
Unless the plan was to take Skalk, Nida, and then keep going? ]Was there a war plan beyond "down with CE!"?Dunno. I suppose if we had managed to actually accomplish the "down with CE" part, we would have decided what to do from there :D
Which is so obvious to anyone with half a brain that I would be very surprised if Carelia survives for long after this war ends, barring any changes from the current status quo of the war. I predict that it will go the way of Falasan, and ASI (you'll have to pardon me if the comparisons are bad, I was relatively uninvolved in AT when those events actually occurred). Some reason will be contrived to put the realm out of its misery.
That assessment is contingent on the South staying out of the rest of the war though, which is by no means certain.
My charecter in Carelia was quite inactive when the war was switching from a southern war to one against the Empire.
It seems to me that Carelia's leadership sold a risky gamble to their realm-mates as an easy land-grab. So this was either gross negligence on their part, or they never cared about Carelia's welfare in the first place. The last King of Carelia that had its best interests at heart was probably King Bartho, if you ask me.
Bartho was the one who, incidentally, arranged the war with Caergoth OOC. That was confirmed after the CE war started and discussions were had on what prompted the Caergoth/Carelia war in the first place. What makes that particularly asinine is that there were plenty of good IC reasons for it...They just chose not to use them.
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Bartho was the one who, incidentally, arranged the war with Caergoth OOC. That was confirmed after the CE war started and discussions were had on what prompted the Caergoth/Carelia war in the first place. What makes that particularly asinine is that there were plenty of good IC reasons for it...They just chose not to use them.
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This has got to be the most boring Continent-wide war ever.
I'm not sure it is any more fun or interesting than the awful continent-wide peace!
This has got to be the most boring Continent-wide war ever.
I'm not sure it is any more fun or interesting than the awful continent-wide peace!
This has got to be the most boring Continent-wide war ever.
I'm not sure it is any more fun or interesting than the awful continent-wide peace!
Well, you're the guys who have been dead set on focusing on that one border for the entire war. Come on, admit it, things were more interesting when we were all burning Coria to the ground together ;D
I'm all for that. This last trip through Ser'quea was interesting, but too fast for any serious looting.
Well, good. Tara needs someone their own size to dance with. Leave those poor Hammarpeeps alone.
No no no... that's not what I said at all. I didn't say anything at all about leaving Hammarpeeps to stand on their own. I just said that Tara needed to go play elsewhere.
Well, yeah. Isn't that how war is supposed to work? ;)
This has got to be the most boring Continent-wide war ever.
I'm not sure it is any more fun or interesting than the awful continent-wide peace!
This one's more like a cold war, though. We got Two Minutes to Midnight blasting 24/7 in Cantril. Peasants just hate Slayer.In the South-east its not really a cold war.
In the South-east its not really a cold war.
This has got to be the most boring Continent-wide war ever.
I'm not sure it is any more fun or interesting than the awful continent-wide peace!
But there is a whole bunch of Talerium and Cagilan knights waiting for you right next door in Cantril. They're bored too. Come over and play! ;DI agree. Attack CE/Talerium !
I really don't follow the current war, just doing courtier work, but hasn't there been battles in the NE?
Few and far between. And when there is, little is accomplished.
Northeast, not northwest!
Northeast, not northwest!
because unlike certain people who are complaining, we decided to take the some risks and give up our cozy little arrangements with the enemy that kept us safe but also horribly bored ;)
That offer to visit Cantril is still open. I promise that we won't defend our entrenchments very hard. In fact, I believe Estonite troops would be greeted as liberators. ;D
Umm... who exactly is "we?"
If you're in Darka, don't even give me that.
Pfff, they're almost as bad as you guys. But not quite. But then I'm biased by the fact that Eston was so completely willing to sell us down the river to make nice with Coria.
I play in Hammarsett. We threw caution to the wind a while back and declared war on all the people that, you know, we were fighting anyway. All these wars that aren't wars and cozy little deals on the side are complete bullpuckey. Grow some balls and take some risks, people, especially if you're going to complain about being bored...
"I play Hammarsett. We like losing wars, and making enemies we can't fight on our own. These people that are beating us are all cowards anyway, but if we lose its not our fault."
Sorry, that's just what I read from that. And don't be mean to Eston, they're so friendly...
Meh. Better to have fun than to win.
Pfff, they're almost as bad as you guys. But not quite. But then I'm biased by the fact that Eston was so completely willing to sell us down the river to make nice with Coria.
I play in Hammarsett. We threw caution to the wind a while back and declared war on all the people that, you know, we were fighting anyway. All these wars that aren't wars and cozy little deals on the side are complete bullpuckey. Grow some balls and take some risks, people, especially if you're going to complain about being bored...
Wait, so you want people to break the long existing power blocks and take risks, but when Eston does exactly that--makes friends with Coria, and angers her long standing allies in the north--all of a sudden we don't have balls and don't take risks? And are "almost as bad a Darka?" Hell, I risked the whole damn Northern Alliance falling apart or coming down on top of me to sign a separate peace and make friends with Coria. THAT is taking bold risks.
Sorry you don't LIKE the risks Eston has taken, and sorry they have lead to things not working out how you want them to, but Eston has certainly taken more "risk" than any other Northern realm when it comes to breaking established power blocks.
Oh I bet the Darkans are having fun. They're doing a good job with the raiding too. I have never fought another opponent that's harder to encircle or interdict. You don't even see movement until 2 to 3 hours after turn change, so good luck intercepting them. *shakes fist at the Darkans* >:(
That offer to visit Cantril is still open. I promise that we won't defend our entrenchments very hard. In fact, I believe Estonite troops would be greeted as liberators. ;D
... my wing-man Darka, is being a total douche ...Don't you dare make me break out Silly Songs with Eston...
Yar, south seems to be brewing again.
This is kind of very nice war, even thought it has lasted damn long.. and looks like it wont end anytime soon.
Ofcourse if south could have pulled things better together from the start it would have been awesome... but lets hope they will unite their forces against EVIL Empire and its minions!
Fight for yer freedom! :P
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I think he meant in the "promote fun"-kind of way. Not in the "we're scared we're going to lose everything so we'll make friends with one of our enemies"-kind of way.
"I play Hammarsett. We like losing wars, and making enemies we can't fight on our own. These people that are beating us are all cowards anyway, but if we lose its not our fault."
Sorry, that's just what I read from that. And don't be mean to Eston, they're so friendly...
Oh yeah, because when the Northern Alliance was trying to sack Barad Falas Eston was in major danger of "losing everything." What the heck, man?
If anything, making friends with Coria presented the possibility of both Darka and BoM turning on Eston and THEN Eston losing everything. How in the world you put together Eston pissing off all her allies as the "safe" route, as opposed to continueing a winning war against Coria, I do not know.
I think you're overstating the risk. Everyone was pretty invested in war with the Empire at that point, for which Eston was needed. Coria is only one front of that war. And if you really thought that Eston might be destroyed if you made a separate peace with Coria, then why did you do it? I can't see that it would make things more fun for Eston - Eston was winning a war, as you pointed out, and few things are more fun than that.
Wait, why the hell did you do it again? Either way, your complaints of boredom seem a trifle ironic now.
We gave him cookies....
your complaints of boredom seem a trifle ironic now.
We gave him cookies....
Hey waitaminit! Darka has all the cookies!
...or is that gold... I forget.
Oh yeah, because when the Northern Alliance was trying to sack Barad Falas Eston was in major danger of "losing everything." What the heck, man?
Well, sorry. The only logical way to explain your move is that you wanted to reduce your battlefront and be covered for if this war failed. And maybe you wanted to piss of/copy darka for having a treaty with Talerium but you know, none of that is very risky.
Of course maybe none of these motives played in your decision but then I wonder which ones did..
Guys, its seriously the cookies...
In all seriousness though, I am amazed at how little people don't understand this situation or can see it from multiple viewpoints. Talerium and Darka have had a border treaty for years and years. Eston and Coria had the exact same border treaty BEFORE this war ever began. Eston's agreement with Coria was only to return to pre-war relations between our two realms.
By doing so, Eston secures their border, while forcing Coria out of the war. Eston is not to blame for Coria rejoining the war effort. (hi Hammarsett...) When that treaty was first signed, the northern alliance made a great gain in the war, and should have used it to start winning, but the only thing I saw was complaints about not being able to attack where they wanted to, and so the war stalled only because the northern alliance couldn't decide to work together.
Oh, and yes, lots of bribes of cookies.
I disagree, and not purely because of Hammarsett's ulterior motives.
If it was such a great victory, why did the Northern Alliance become so ineffective after the peace was signed? We played together just fine afterward. BoM and Hammarsett didn't waste time pouting. We voiced our opinions and then sent armies west, and did so for some time. The problem wasn't discord, it was that we were put into a terrible strategic position where there was only one fighting front that it was easier for our enemies to reinforce than for us. Every time we went west it took us a week to get there, and Tara was inevitably waiting for us every time we did because they can get there faster, with less straggling and less equipment damage. Advantage: Cagilan Empire and allies. We attempted to loot CE more than once, but never really accomplished much because Tara would just chase us down.
The present spread front is far more to our advantage, and we've done well there overall. Just imagine what we might have accomplished if that front had stayed open the entire time.
There is really no difference between the current Front and the front at the signing of that treaty. The problem was that you insisted on going west to fight Tara when focusing everything you had on CE would have accomplished what you wanted.
There aren't any regions you're going through now which you weren't allowed to go through at the signing of the treaty. You're just fighting an additional 10k CS, because Coria is in the mix.
Er, what? Two things:
We did focus on CE. For a couple months. Did you read what I wrote? It was less than effective due to the fact that Tara also went west, and was always there to defend the Empire. It's not like we wanted to fight Tara, they were always there to fight us. We made multiple looting runs into CE, and all ended with us being crushed by Tara. Most of the battles weren't even close since we suffered far more than they did from straggling and equipment damage due to the much longer route we had to take to get there. I seriously doubt that our efforts did much in the way of damage to CE, which is the entire reason why we changed course and started to aim at Tara, to reduce their ability to defend the Empire, which they were doing very effectively.
This is just... Not true? I clearly remember Munro bitching at me repeatedly (IC) whenever some idiot noble from Hammarsett decided to walk through Menedor on the way back from CE instead of taking the long way around through Elost. We were forbidden by the terms of the treaty from entering any Corian regions.
>_>
Recently joined Hammersett, no idea what's going on but my estate in Lyton has been razed to the ground by an army of 3-4 nations. <_< Considering how the estate was giving me exactly 1 gold tax, I don't much mind, but still.
I've done a lot of reading but I still don't quite understand the details of the current war involving Hammersett, or rather, what apparently seems to be a self-inflicted political gangbang?
It was not Tara who declared war or started looting. Perhaps they just get pissed .I can't believe that you can loot without fearing counteractions.
There's always been isolated incidents of looting on both sides from nobles who didn't know any better or didn't care, but Hammarsett has always been very careful to order their nobles not to loot in Tara. If you were getting reports of it, you should have contacted Kurohyou to put a stop to it. That's what both sides used to do until just now all of a sudden. The current looting spree in Lyton is clearly officially sanctioned judging by the scale of it.
>_>
Recently joined Hammersett, no idea what's going on but my estate in Lyton has been razed to the ground by an army of 3-4 nations. <_< Considering how the estate was giving me exactly 1 gold tax, I don't much mind, but still.
I've done a lot of reading but I still don't quite understand the details of the current war involving Hammersett, or rather, what apparently seems to be a self-inflicted political gangbang?
Oh, and the Northern alliance is losing the war, (at least as little as an alliance can be losing a war that is in a virtual stalemate)
It's like freaking World War I over here in the west. :-\
Tara began officially sanctioning looting in Hammarsett a while back, when Hammarsett had multiple nobles at once loot in Taran regions.
That might have happened recently when our Marshal made a mistake, but the orders were quickly corrected, which Ottar would know if he'd asked. Kurohyou probably should have reached out to him proactively and apologized, but either way the gloves seem to be off now.
That might have happened recently when our Marshal made a mistake, but the orders were quickly corrected, which Ottar would know if he'd asked. Kurohyou probably should have reached out to him proactively and apologized, but either way the gloves seem to be off now.
Hammarsett was formed by burning other realms to the ground to make place for them.Yeah, that's a good reason to hate them. I mean, come on, no one with any class *ever* does that. How rude of them to form a realm on land conquered from someone else... ::)
Yeah, that's a good reason to hate them. I mean, come on, no one with any class *ever* does that. How rude of them to form a realm on land conquered from someone else... ::)
I did. I just disagree with the premise of the post. "No one likes Hammarsett". That's not true at all. CE and their client states may not like them. But I think htey have the respect of most of the northerners. (So long as they avoid appointing tactless idiots as generals.)
I did. I just disagree with the premise of the post. "No one likes Hammarsett". That's not true at all. CE and their client states may not like them. But I think htey have the respect of most of the northerners. (So long as they avoid appointing tactless idiots as generals.)
While I can only speak from the opinion that my character (and me, to a certain extent) has formed, people don't actually like Hammarsett. They (Hammarsett) don't seem to study history, or even take note of current events: Hammarsett was formed by burning other realms to the ground to make place for them.
So what do they do? Take the first opportunity to attack the realms that cleared the land for them. Not only is that ungrateful, but quite colossally stupid. The land got burned to the ground before - and will now undoubtedly be again.
/endrant.
Maybe. On the other hand, if you were as familiar with the history of Hammarsett as you are seemingly claiming to be, you'd probably understand why we've sided against both the Cagilans and the Corians.
Kerwin of Eston? Selfish fool for prioritizing what was good for himself and his one-time enemy of Coria over what was good for the realms that actually stuck their necks out to support him.
Kerwin of Eston? Selfish fool for prioritizing what was good for himself and his one-time enemy of Coria over what was good for the realms that actually stuck their necks out to support him.
The most annoying thing about "The Current War" is that I think a lot of people are kind of ready for it to be over (maybe some aren't, though) but there just seems to be no good political way out of it until someone gets destroyed.
I agree. Unfortunately, there really is no way to end this war at least for Coria and Hammarsett unless one of us is destroyed. That's just simply the way "Hatred" works. (Blame Laszlo for that one).
Since neither alliance wants their "ally" to be the one destroyed the war continues. It doesn't help that its a virtual stalemate either.
Another problem is, I don't think anyone can see any way that the diplomacy on Atamara can evolve well for whichever realm chooses to change the situation up first. Neither side can see the other alliance breaking up, so this war is pretty much just a mexican standoff where everyone is waiting for the other person to make the first devastating move. It is sad because my character has a lot of plans which he can't implement until after Coria is done fighting Hammarsett. His plans most likely will make a change on the way things are run in the current alliance set ups, but his hands are tied. It is 100% impossible to gain IC political support for anything which changes Coria's mission away from Hammarsett due to the Hatred war that is being fought.
Even still, lets say someone is destroyed. Does the war stop there? If it does, what does everyone even do next? You can't attack CE, because they have the best military on the continent. If you attack one of their allies, they'll gladly join in just to keep their realm members occupied. Perhaps the northern alliance fractions once again after the war and goes back to its petty squabbles, but that isn't that interesting on the whole either. CE's alliance will still be looking for some conflict to stick its head into, but CE also can't be defeated so long as all of its current allies stand by its side. CE/Tara/Talerium/Coria/Strombran have enough military strength and prowess to hold off every other realm on the continent and have done so successfully since the beginning of the war (when it actually was everyone against us). So this alliance causes stagnation because no one can fight them successfully, and even if all ally against them they can force a stalemate at the minimum.
Meanwhile, no one in the CE bloc wants to split up from it (at least not during war time) because it provides the strongest possible defense for your realm. Its a "winning" side that won't be defeated. So either CE needs some internal conflict that forces succession scale events, or CE needs to fight Tara to split this entire thing up. Shoot, it may be interesting if with the new estate system, CE just tried to become the next Abington on their own, slowly but surely.
What should we do to Eston?
You obviously don't know anything about the history between Coria and Eston. Coria stuck its neck out to support Eston in the past, more than the Northern Alliance has in this war.
Also, I'm curious as you didn't name any of Coria's rulers as having reason for your completely screwing over Corian/Hammarsett relations.
Like, I can understand why you are fighting CE, because most of your neighbors hate them, but why you chose to betray your Corian friend who helped found your realm I don't understand at all. Without us, you were nothing. Now we have to destroy your realm because of your actions.
Huge Battle Fought (11 days, 11 hours ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Tarkhog:
Suville vs. Carelia
Estimated strengths: 540 men vs. 560 men
The Hammers of Carelia (Carelia), sponsored by Karandras Ulthran, Judge of Carelia, Duchess of Sullenport, Duchess of Sullenport, were led into battle by Vice-Marshal Reginal Enstance.
The Army of Narville (Suville), sponsored by Caibre Eldrake, King of Suville, were led into battle by Marshal Proximus Centauri.
Sir Jareth La Pointe (Knight of Sudfern) is spotted wielding the Emerald-Studded Sword of Unlife.
Ranulf Flambard, Count of Glassinn is spotted wielding the Bloody Broadsword of Suville.
Sir Reginal Enstance (Lord) is spotted wearing the Faries' Hat.
Adonis Zurralius, Quartermaster of Suville, Duke of Narville, Duke of Narville is spotted wielding the Glowing Dagger of Flame.
Talius Sargeras Valorian (Lord of Carelia) was captured by Joscelin de Courtenay's unit.
Jimanela de Aquitane (Noble of Carelia) was captured by Jareth La Pointe's unit.
Attacker Victory!
Nice battle. Wondering why they both fighting over what exactly ???
Land.To be more specific they need food so they are taking Carelian land to provide more. <-That is Suville's reason they say they are attacking Carelia.
To be more specific they need food so they are taking Carelian land to provide more. <-That is Suville's reason they say they are attacking Carelia.
That's the official reason, correct.
Actually, this would be Abington 3.0.
That would require a ruler who isn't asleep at the wheel.
Not really...I mean just look at CE. You think it is their ruler who is winning their wars? Good Generals make empires. Bad Generals make Tara.
;) lol
Not really...I mean just look at CE. You think it is their ruler who is winning their wars? Good Generals make empires. Bad Generals make Tara.
;) lol
+1
A great general can be the most powerful dude on the continent...
That's just not true. It is the politician behind the general which is the most powerful dude on the continent. Or the guy with the money. Or if its all the same guy....well you're screwed if you're not him.
You really think Enri couldn't influence the vote if he wanted to? CE is a republic; everyone gets a monthly vote on said politician, including the knights he fights tooth and nail to keep flush with gold.
Not that he's ever used that power, but it's there. His endorsement would probably be the deciding factor in any given election.
That's just not true. It is the politician behind the general which is the most powerful dude on the continent. Or the guy with the money. Or if its all the same guy....well you're screwed if you're not him.
The worst thing that can happen to any ruler is that he gets lumbered with a successful, popular general.
A good general cleans up the messes left by bad politicians ;)
A good general cleans up the messes left by bad politicians ;).
Ah, Atamara politic and the never ending war justifications.
1. Fight on CE's side
2. ?????
3. Profit!
Not really...I mean just look at CE. You think it is their ruler who is winning their wars? Good Generals make empires. Bad Generals make Tara.
;) lol
The problem is not the game. The problem is youthful impatience and today's "instant gratification" culture. You all want to pull off big, flashy stunts, and you want to do it yesterday.
Give it time. It took us 1 OOC year to crack Shanandoah last time, and that took entire southern Atamara mobilizing against MI and the northern federation. We have a lot less help this time around, so it's going to take a lot longer.
When we have peace, you guys complain about peace. When we have slow wars, you guys complain about slow wars. When we have fast wars, you guys complain about gang-bangs.
The problem is not the game. The problem is youthful impatience and today's "instant gratification" culture. You all want to pull off big, flashy stunts, and you want to do it yesterday.
Also you kids get off my lawn. >:(
But this war has gone on for much more than a year now.Only a year? It's got a long way to go to start catching up to the real long-term war we had on EC.
Only a year? It's got a long way to go to start catching up to the real long-term war we had on EC.
Atamara also bores me for other reasons. It's hard to put a finger on exactly why, but it just feels dull and set in its ways. On other islands I feel like there are always new possibilities and opportunities all the time. In all my time on Atamara, it's been the opposite.
The war feels pretty boring because the sides aren't changing. Its the same sides over and over. (Mostly. All that changes is the name of the realm on the front line, even though the lines are staying mostly the same.)
The island really needs a political shakeup, or one side needs a *major* breakthrough before anything gets exciting.
Some people really want to create a political shakeup (and have the power to do so) however it is VERY risky when the norm is no political change for half-a-decade. While perfect assurance isn't needed, it is nice to have at least some idea that something might work.
Another problem is that internal "not caring" about things has also affected a few realms who could have changed things up from what my intel says.
Also, more than any other continent, Atamara is still pretty heavily influenced by the "team play" idea which makes shaking things up particularly difficult sometimes.
I agree. Eston should split into three realms immediately. Two of which should immediately switch sides in the war and attack the third one.
You want to shake things up? You first.
Step down and endorse someone more radical.
Step down and endorse someone more radical.
Piss off one of your dukes so badly that they secede.
Attack Minas Ithil. They are a juicy target and don't have any real friends left.
Attack BoM. They are half your size.
Attack Darka. They took one of your cities. (Which will probably convince at least one of your dukes to secede, because, let's face it, Eston is still Darka's battered girlfriend.)
There are lots of ways for Eston to "shake things up". All of them involve putting your current position of power and influence at massive, suicidal risk.
So let's be honest with ourselves here. We're not refusing to shake things up because we can't. We don't do it because we don't want to. I say "we" because this applies to me as well.
At least CE still gets to fight battles. ;D
I believe it is too early for the crows to move in.
Eston cruses its allies
You want to stir and shake things up? Declare war on Tara, or even Coria or Talerioum. God knows the last 2 are ripe as peaches.
But taking advantage of a situation is what ravens do best. Seriously. Did you even look at my family crest? ;D
Eston? Crush anything besides grapes? Are we talking about the same Eston here?
Maybe there is a competent Eston on some other island. :o
You guys are the ones whining and screaming for "hope and change". All I'm saying is: "You first, please."
CE would be less beholden to its alliances if the rest of the island is not actively trying to kill them. And our allies actually help us, instead of screwing us over all the time, maybe taking a duchy from us when they could get away with it.
Eston? Crush anything besides grapes? Are we talking about the same Eston here?
CE would be less beholden to its alliances if the rest of the island is not actively trying to kill them. And our allies actually help us, instead of screwing us over all the time, maybe taking a duchy from us when they could get away with it.
What a crappy island.
What a crappy island.
But taking advantage of a situation is what ravens do best. Seriously. Did you even look at my family crest? ;D
Then you can either work to change that, or go to a different island.
But I prefer whining. :'(
I am taking my second character there elsewhere. I thought Suville would be a good place to go and try to stir things up a bit, but I was rapidly disillusioned. Laszlo will hang around Atamara though, mainly because that's where he's always been. He's one of those characters that doesn't take too much of my time, so might as well, especially since I'm at the character limit on BT and Dwilight.
Because no one actually RP's a greedy, self-serving noble wanting everything for themselves in any of your realms...
We would be crushing Talerium if it wasn't for you Cagilans and Kostaja. :-\
CE's alliances have been so very fluid and dynamic in the past. ::)
Didn't know Atamara had wars, real ones anyways.
AT gets very poor PR on the forums. We seem to get a disproportional share of whiners, and most of us are busy playing the game instead of chatting on the forums.
Atamara is boring because it's always New Team X vs CE and Friends, with CE and Friends eventually winning. Then AT goes on a two-month lull as New Team Y forms up and CE and Friends relax and wait for the party to recommence.
Well there's that, but I have found that even within the realms I have been in that things seem rather dull most of the time. Perhaps there are realms where things are more vibrant internally (CE maybe? Republics tend to be much more participatory), but I haven't found one since Norland went down. Most places I've been, many if not all of the people in power are deeply entrenched (like, they have been Duke/King/Whatever for *years*) and are not inclined to encourage the participation of others in their decision making. Often they don't say anything at all outside of closed councils for days, weeks or even months at a time.
This problem is actually not unique to AT by any means, but I have found it to be worse on average there than other places I've been, though that could well be a result of my own bad luck.
What about Barony of Makar? Eston?
Never played in Eston. I mean, I can't say I've seen everything AT has to offer, by any means. Not even half of it. I have played in Darka, BoM, Hammarsett, Norland and Suville.
BoM was slow while I was there, and I was there for quite a while, at least a year IRL, probably more. It wasn't as dead as Suville feels right now, but it wasn't exactly an exciting place either.
However, they are some of the most active people in the realm and genuinely contribute and do their(Dukes) jobs, so its hard to justify trying to get rid of them (even if I could).
Time to kill a few Dukes. ::)
Well, that explains your problem. You keep playing on the wrong side. You should join a realm on the side of CE, like Coria. We're on their side, at least...for now.
There are always justifications for getting rid of Dukes. Here's an easy one: You want their power for yourself.
There are always justifications for getting rid of Dukes. Here's an easy one: You want their power for yourself.
The day Coria turns against the Empire, I will eat my hat.
There see, now you have to do it just so that you can make me eat my hat. ;D
Minas Ithil is allied w/ Darka, Eston, BoM & Hammarsett.
The day Coria turns against the Empire, I will eat my hat.
There see, now you have to do it just so that you can make me eat my hat. ;D
You sure on that one? Sometimes, my BoM character really can't tell. Having a character in both Coria and BoM, I can make a perfect comparison: MI is like the North's Tara.
Um... for no reason in particular... by "turn against", do you count only actual military action against them?
You sure on that one? Sometimes, my BoM character really can't tell. Having a character in both Coria and BoM, I can make a perfect comparison: MI is like the North's Tara.
I don't have much to say either way about the quality of our army currently but MI troops are fighting & dying alongside the other allied armies of the North. But, in my opinion MI being on the North's side is why Hammarsett is on the frontlines instead of BoM. and I say that as the player whose character was King prior to MI's current ruler.Sound like MI could use a few more Unique Items and a few more nobles eh? ::)
I don't have much to say either way about the quality of our army currently but MI troops are fighting & dying alongside the other allied armies of the North. But, in my opinion MI being on the North's side is why Hammarsett is on the frontlines instead of BoM. and I say that as the player whose character was King prior to MI's current ruler.
???
There are times where a Silverfire isn't scheming?
I'm offended. Of course there are a times where a Silverfire is not scheming. Merlin is a just, up right and honest man unlike his brother Brom.
Specifically, those times are when I'm extremely bored....
Then again, I could just be messing with everyone, but we'll just wait and see. (P.S. Did anyone get that guy a hat?)
*Looks around nervously
Nothing looks any different... Honestly I'm sorting of expecting pigs to fly or hell to freeze over or something.
Meh, Battlemaster is a slow game. Don't expect to see anything for at least a week or two. I was just marking the date.
On the other hand, I am quite willing to claim credit for any amazing game shifts that anyone else pulls off in the next two weeks.
High-five, sir. Credit where credit is due, for sure.
In other news, I would like any realms noticing large, orange-ish, swirling portals opening up in their realms to ignore them... They're... uh... decorations for the upcoming tournament.
I see that Coria is on phase III already. ;D
Can someone tell me what phase I, and II were? (As well as III) No one seems to tell me what goes on in Coria anymore, and I'm feeling a bit left out....
All I know is that Phase IV is where the Duchy of Frektopis (btw, what in the world??) changes allegiance to Eston...
All I know is that Phase IV is where the Duchy of Frektopis (btw, what in the world??) changes allegiance to Eston...
I have my reasons, leave me alone. I like the name. Took me a bit of time to come up with to.
Hmm, "vrek" means "to die". Any connection?
always seeing Duke of Barad Falas, Margrave of Barad Falas
There are several on Dwilight. Solaria, and maybe Terran? I would do it in Libidizedd if we had more nobles.
Derp.
Too many wars, too many servers... :P
Really?....and where are the battles?In Hammarsett
Hammersett gangbang by 3 nations (just lost my home region :'( There goes tomorrow's taxes...),
There is a bit of infighting going on right now in the Raven as well as in Darka. BoM and MI are trying to get things going, but there's not much cooperation from Hammarpeeps.
The real troop numbers were more like 1320 v 960 or so. Impressive battle. CE/Tal's line settings were a shambles, contributing to a literally smashing victory by Eston. I hope Eston can capitalize on this and make some advances.
Agreed. If they can start winning the war in the West on a consistent basis, the entire war will have changed.
ha! If Eston starts winning consistently in the west, the war doesn't change, it just stagnates again. Right now CE-bloc has the advantage. If it begins switching the other way, then it just goes closer to more even.
Could anything make this war more interesting at this point?
Could anything make this war more interesting at this point?
Eston declaring war on Coria or Darka on Talerium.
The real troop numbers were more like 1320 v 960 or so.
It's interesting how no one has yet to mention the fact that Hammarsett is down to TWO regions.
If you guys spent half as much effort on the game as you do propagandizing on the forums, your realms might be in a better position. 8)
Actually, I don't think Hammarsett has much of a presence on the forums that I've noticed.
*points at Geronus*
Please tell me I'm being trolled. :o
It's interesting how no one has yet to mention the fact that Hammarsett is down to TWO regions.
If you guys spent half as much effort on the game as you do propagandizing on the forums, your realms might be in a better position. 8)
I don't think anything short of a full scale daimon invasion could rescue this island from banality in my eyes.
You may yet get to test that theory.That would be awesome if it happened.
You may yet get to test that theory.
Hey now, we're not dead yet! ;)Hurry up and die already so the daimons can come to Atamara. ;)
Secessions from CE. Eston declaring war on Coria or Darka on Talerium. Tara/CE declaring war on their allies and switching sides. Suville making everyone mad and becoming the next Abington.
And the list goes on...
Talerium continues to try to assassinate our nobles.That's nothing new. Talerium is a haven for infils. They are well known for stabbing anything they feel like stabbing, with no repercussions.
Well CE is so confident that they just rebuffed an alliance with Suville.Go Tara and Talerium!!!!
Tara remains hostile to Suville
Talerium continues to try to assassinate our nobles.
Strombran wants to be friends.
I'm guessing that this war is going to get interesting very soon.
Well CE is so confident that they just rebuffed an alliance with Suville.
Tara remains hostile to Suville
Talerium continues to try to assassinate our nobles.
Strombran wants to be friends.
I'm guessing that this war is going to get interesting very soon.
Ambassador Kindel,
I have sent forward your wishes for better relations and inquiry as to an alliance between our Realms. This has led to much discussion within the Senate. Frankly, it has gotten more discussion than any topic for some time.
That said, the will of the Senate is not currently in favor of joining into an alliance with Suville. The Senate wishes to keep our good relations with Suville and maintain our current relations of peace with Suville. This said they have not ruled out the possibility of our relations improving over time. It was not long ago Suville was involved in a war against the Empire and memories of this need time to fade. While we recognize you ultimately realized it was an unwarranted war and Suville corrected it's stance, there are those that wish to see how Suville conducts herself going forward before entering into an alliance.
I would suggest that you improve relations with Tara and seek out our other allies. Perhaps if you can sway them, those within the Empire that question increasing relations will have a change of heart.
I am always open to dialog that will improve relations with other Realms.
Best Regards,
Milan Prestongreen
Ambassador of Cagilan Empire
that is very interesting... and nothing wrong with my tone just the way I talk usually.
that is very interesting... and nothing wrong with my tone just the way I talk usually.
unless you can provide said proof I strongly suggest not making !@#$ up.
Really? When did CE rebuff an alliance with Suville?
I would really like to see proof of this.
Shouldn't IC messages stay in-game? If anything, forums facilitated OOC information exchange and possible abuse. I for one, didn't know anything Suville-CE talks. I'll go tell all my friends!
Everything on the forums is OOC knowledge, and should never be used by your characters IG. I recognize that no one is perfect and that there's a certain inevitable amount of slipping that will occur, but you should never intentionally use OOC knowledge gained on the forums IG.
As a rule of thumb, I try not to share anything important on the forum that might affect ongoing events, though I do enjoy discussing events after the fact to get other players' perspectives on things.
As a rule of thumb, I try not to share anything important on the forum that might affect ongoing events, though I do enjoy discussing events after the fact to get other players' perspectives on things.
Its a good thing all my characters can read minds and see all letters foreign rulers write!!! mwahahaha!
So, anyone else notice and think it's hilarious how Suville is losing battles to Carelia?
I do. Good for the Northern Alliance though.
It is? ??? Am I missing something?
Suville allied with Coria.
So, anyone else notice and think it's hilarious how Suville is losing battles to Carelia?Yeah, we have not even close to the same military size as Suville and the last 2 (or 3?) battles we have won. According to week old statistics you guys had 42k CS, even if only half of that is mobile Suville should be winning.
Yeah, we have not even close to the same military size as Suville and the last 2 (or 3?) battles we have won. According to week old statistics you guys had 42k CS, even if only half of that is mobile Suville should be winning.
I left Suville weeks ago, but based on my experience while I was there, I'm not that surprised about the recent battles. So much for Suville being the next Abington! ;D
Suville isn't the next Abington. That's just more propaganda.
Then again, if you are making the allusion that they grew strong then died out.....welll....perhaps it is a good statement.
We'll see how things go though if they continue to lose to a much weaker realm.
Today is a day which shall live in infamy...May the religions of Atamara forgive me...
(No spoilers please)
I believe it's safe to say that nothing came out of this by now, after a month of, err... nothing.
It was fun watching you people lap it up though. Can I try too?
DOOM. OOOOooooOOOOooooOOoooo.
I wouldn't count those chickens before they hatch, if I were you....
Well then hurry up and explode something. I'm bored, and my hat's not going to eat itself.
Battle in Crahandan (19 hours, 46 minutes ago)This not surprising but this battle below is impossible. So many lost to so few :o
Strombran, Tara vs. Hammarsett, Minas Ithil
Estimated strengths: 920 men vs. 560 men
The Army of Ered Luin (Tara), sponsored by Regstav Pryde, Duke of Foda, Margrave of Foda, were led into battle by Marshal Sarek Vulcan.
The Legion of Minas Ithil (Minas Ithil), sponsored by Raoul De La Fere, Duke of Leohampton, Margrave of Leohampton, were led into battle by Marshal Trpimir Svebor Lux.
The First Ithillian Dragoons (Minas Ithil), sponsored by ted zepplins, Duke of York, Margrave of York, were led into battle by Marshal Raziel III Himoura.
Felix Harrow, Baron of Cori is spotted wielding the Ornate Arrow of Destruction.
Boris Hauptman of Minas Ithil (Knight of Nemaha, Minas Ithil) was captured by Sarek Vulcan's unit.
Attacker Victory!
Huge Battle Fought (7 hours, 49 minutes ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Lurgrod:
Suville vs. Carelia
Estimated strengths: 740 men vs. 660 men
The Hammers of Carelia (Carelia), sponsored by Karandras Ulthran, Judge of Carelia, Duchess of Sullenport, Margravine of Sullenport, were led into battle by Marshal Richard Leonecoeur Silver.
Jareth La Pointe (Knight of Sudfern) is spotted wielding the Emerald-Studded Sword of Unlife.
Trager Maximoff, Margrave of Dampinn is spotted wearing the Blessed Vest from the North.
Eoin Gabhann, Treasurer of Carelia is spotted wearing the Circlet of Warding.
John derik (Knight of Bolgar) is spotted wearing the Elemental Gauntlets of the Maiden.
Vorg Vorgon of Carelia (Lord of Carelia) was captured by John Hampton Stormclaw's unit.
Defender Victory!
I know exactly who to blame for this. I had everything planned out and things were going well but a certain somebody screwed it all up.
I know exactly who to blame for this. I had everything planned out and things were going well but a certain somebody screwed it all up.
Well, things did get interesting behind closed doors up north for a few days but seems like everyone has calmed down now. If it had worked, Dante would be bragging right now. It was a good try though.
Who stick with their words :) Cause thats pretty much only thing what is keeping us together.
Well, things did get interesting behind closed doors up north for a few days but seems like everyone has calmed down now. If it had worked, Dante would be bragging right now. It was a good try though.
Who stick with their words :) Cause thats pretty much only thing what is keeping us together.
Hey! That's an honorable noble pasttime!
Meh..from my point of view it was an offer from someone who lacked the authority to actually hold up his end of the bargain. So no wonder the idea died down.
That's a load of BS.
The only thing keeping the North together is the collective fear of destruction at the hand of CE. To say that they are honorable and keep their word is crazy. The north is renowned for fighting each other and taking lands from allies all the time. If it wasn't for CE, that's exactly what they'd be doing right now.
The north is renowned for fighting each other and taking lands from allies all the time. If it wasn't for CE, that's exactly what they'd be doing right now.
Meh..from my point of view it was an offer from someone who lacked the authority to actually hold up his end of the bargain. So no wonder the idea died down.
He's the Duke of Barad Falas... in a realm that consist almost completely out of the Duchy of Barad Falas.... what?
He's the Duke of Barad Falas... in a realm that consist almost completely out of the Duchy of Barad Falas.... what?
btw, my city's tax this week: 4673. Tell me I'm not powerful.
That means there is no way you could have any influence over the diplomacy of your realm at all!!Not true, if he used his money and position to influence enough of the realm's members, I would think that the ruler would be influenced to do that particular diplomacy level though that still doesn't gurantee it to happen.
Not true, if he used his money and position to influence enough of the realm's members, I would think that the ruler would be influenced to do that particular diplomacy level though that still doesn't gurantee it to happen.
It's exactly that guarantee that's the issue. It all comes down to this: if it's not the ruler that agrees, it's worthless. If you really have the pull to get the ruler to agree, then get it, then come talk.Very true.
>_>After rereading your post, I feel dumb for not realizing that.
I was being sarcastic.
You can't actually push the diplomacy buttons! That means there is no way you could have any influence over the diplomacy of your realm at all!! Haha! You unpowerful nobody!
It's exactly that guarantee that's the issue. It all comes down to this: if it's not the ruler that agrees, it's worthless. If you really have the pull to get the ruler to agree, then get it, then come talk.
Realm's on Atamara don't have Rulers, they have puppets. Why do you think CE's Senate has so many strings attached to the ends of their fingers?
My cynical bias against Atamara requires me to +1 this.
But, to the question at hand, I agree with Indirik. For one thing, I've been that Duke. Probably not as powerful, no, but let me put it to you this way - say you go to your Ruler with your super awesome ploy and he turns you down flat? What are you gonna do? Secede and completely blow up your realm? Rebel, and sort of blow up your realm? Sure you've got some leverage, but all the buttons you could push to really make your Ruler hurt involve hurting your realm too to some extent. Or a large extent, probably.
As another Ruler, a deal's not a deal until I hear it from a fellow Ruler, at least not a deal between realms. Anyone else and you don't know if they can back up what they're promising. If you think you had the leverage to get your ruler to agree to your plan, you should have had him contact your negotiating partners and state as much.
Also, who said anything about a deal between realms?Whoever mentioned the need to change diplomacy.
Whoever mentioned the need to change diplomacy.
Who is to say my ruler doesn't okay what I say ahead of time, or tell me to say certain things myself on purpose so the "ruler" themselves isn't the one to say the thing?
Also, who said anything about a deal between realms?
If that's the case, why didn't you have your Ruler state that to the other Rulers in the first place?
As for plausible deniability, well, that will only get you so far. Rulers of enemy realms are hardly likely to commit themselves in writing to something underhanded if those letters could plausibly be used against them. Serious negotiations require serious negotiators, and there has to be an implicit understanding that the other guy is empowered to speak for his realm. Otherwise you're not making a deal with Coria, you're making a deal with the Duke of Barad Falas, which is a very different proposition.
Doesn't sound like they felt the same way?
As another Ruler, a deal's not a deal until I hear it from a fellow Ruler, at least not a deal between realms. Anyone else and you don't know if they can back up what they're promising. If you think you had the leverage to get your ruler to agree to your plan, you should have had him contact your negotiating partners and state as much.
This is true, as far as it goes. The other side of the coin is that from the perspective of changing how the war plays out, the Duke of Barad Falas has a lot more actual ability to change things than the Ruler of Coria does, from a button-pushing/resource standpoint (obviously, I have no idea about the personal dynamics/loyalties involved). Rulers are only as powerful as their vassals let them be. Cut deals with the right vassals, and the Ruler is weakened. Make enough of those deals, and they are crippled.
Accepting that reality is one of the reasons Arcaea did so well under Jenred, both internally and from a diplomatic standpoint. This idea that nothing matters if it doesn't come from a Ruler is one of those "polite" fictions that a certain class of people on Atamara adhere to because they like it, just like the bans on assassinating Rulers and other Council members. It's a really odd self-perpetuating phenomenon that hasn't been true in reality for at least four years, and I've been looking forward to someone proving it on AT the way Jenred and others proved it on the Far East.
They're just scared to have fun. I mean the deal was this: All of you turn on each other and fight. We'll leave you alone. The winner gets 10k from me and an alliance.
That depends on who goes to whom and what the nature of the deal being offered is. If the Duke is speaking for himself, as in "I will secede my Duchy under x conditions," that's one thing (for example). If some Duke approaches you and offers you a peace deal, you want to know why it's not the Ruler making the offer since the Duke doesn't have the button to do that. For the example Dante just gave, I know I'd be skeptical. He's a Duke in Coria. What proof does anyone have that he can speak for Tara and the Cagilan Empire? For that kind of deal, those are the only realms I care about; Coria is exceedingly small fry compared to them.
If the Rulers of Tara and the Cagilan Empire approached you with any deal that resulted in your current allies being hosed...Wouldn't you be skeptical anyway? Such a deal would last precisely as long as they needed it to in order for the rest of the north to be beaten bloody, and then you would be in an even worse position. You would have no leverage to make them keep the deal, and treaties on Atamara (and, to be fair, anywhere in Battlemaster and in the real world) are merely worth the paper they are written on if you have no leverage. Why would the Rulers of those realms approaching you make you feel any safer? The only consideration I would have is whether you think you have a better chance of stalling now in the hope that something in the war changes, or stalling later in the hope that something causes the bloc to break up before they find a reason to smash you at their leisure. Who does the offering is immaterial, because you wouldn't be in a position to hold them to their word no matter what they said.
The alliance with Coria vs CE or Tara is similarly meaningless. Realms can, have, and will make "alliances" with people they fully intend to annihilate as soon as some condition has been fulfilled.
This is just a loser... Where's the gain for your negotiating partners? I admit it would be fun OOC and it would be nice to to have a war that CE doesn't butt into, but IC-wise it would be hard to justify turning on your allies for 10k gold and an alliance with... Coria. I mean come on, it's incredibly humiliating. "Dance, puppet, and ye shall be spared! Fight for my amusement, and the winner shall earn my favor! Bwahahahaha!"
Also, this is not what I was expecting. You were promising to do something CE wouldn't like or some such, which is why I said I'd eat my hat. I guess it's safe if this is all you had cooking. :(
No kidding.
The Darkan King has the nerve to preach to my face about how we need be "trustworthy" and stuff while Darkan banners still fly over Massillion. What a freaking insult.
Again and again, Darka has put Eston over Talerium, Darkas another ally... You yet again get new ally which you place above Darka.
No kidding.
The Darkan King has the nerve to preach to my face about how we need be "trustworthy" and stuff while Darkan banners still fly over Massillion. What a freaking insult.
Also, Eston was in a federation with BoM and Norland long before Darka attacked Masillion. Darka chose to attack Eston when Eston's allies were busy defending Falasan against CE. They took the Masillion duchy when they knew that they would get away with it, plain and simple.
If the Rulers of Tara and the Cagilan Empire approached you with any deal that resulted in your current allies being hosed...Wouldn't you be skeptical anyway? Such a deal would last precisely as long as they needed it to in order for the rest of the north to be beaten bloody, and then you would be in an even worse position. You would have no leverage to make them keep the deal, and treaties on Atamara (and, to be fair, anywhere in Battlemaster and in the real world) are merely worth the paper they are written on if you have no leverage. Why would the Rulers of those realms approaching you make you feel any safer? The only consideration I would have is whether you think you have a better chance of stalling now in the hope that something in the war changes, or stalling later in the hope that something causes the bloc to break up before they find a reason to smash you at their leisure. Who does the offering is immaterial, because you wouldn't be in a position to hold them to their word no matter what they said.
The alliance with Coria vs CE or Tara is similarly meaningless. Realms can, have, and will make "alliances" with people they fully intend to annihilate as soon as some condition has been fulfilled.
How powerful is CE really?
As powerful as they are perceived to be. Perception is reality.
There's something quite solid backing up that perception though. They have rock-solid alliances with their neighbors, one of whom happens to be Tara, and lets not forget that they're easily the wealthiest and most populous realm on the island. They stop all the statistics charts easily.
There's something quite solid backing up that perception though. They have rock-solid alliances with their neighbors, one of whom happens to be Tara, and lets not forget that they're easily the wealthiest and most populous realm on the island. They stop all the statistics charts easily.
Crazy active, or just plain crazy good? 8)
btw, my city's tax this week: 4673. Tell me I'm not powerful.
Hmm, look like my adventurer random picked to start in wrong realm, wrong place at wrong time. Minas Ithil is about to raise a white flag using white sock as its material?
No wonder nobody want buy Unique Item from my adventurer, they are so poor to afford one? ;D
Viking don't seem to have much need for such things unless perhaps they are shinny. Perhaps you would have better luck in the south.
Really? hmm always assumed they were Viking at least in religion since all the Viking religion is centered around it. Does Minas Ithil then have a religion beside that of the Vikings ones?
A good amount of Warrior Saints followers. The Duke of York follows, I believe, and is quite the patron.
Way of the Hammer is shunned and is mostly illegal in Minas Ithil. Use a faith against a people and fail to finish them, don't be surpised when it becomes outlawed. Also, Raziel will hop on and typically over pay for a cool enough unique item.Oh, I see. Winham has 1 Way of the Hammer temple. And my first impression is this temple of Thunder God, dedicated to a God called Thor? :P
Oh, I see. Winham has 1 Way of the Hammer temple. And my first impression is this temple of Thunder God, dedicated to a God called Thor? :P
It's pretty lame. Not even an effort at creativity.
Hey, we call ourselves Vikings. At least we're true to form :)
Don't yell at me though, Way of the Hammer predates me in BM. So do Atamara's Vikings.
Can I whine for a second? I believe I've earned it.
Barad Gardor wouldn't have been overran if:
- The double-tax bug did not give Minas Ithil and Hammarsett 2x gold to recruit huge armies while we were looting near their capitals.
- The starvation bug did not wipe out an entire Cagilan task force of two armies at Elost.
- The travel bug did not increase travel times in Hammarsett to absurd levels, preventing many nobles from retreating at all, which caused way too many nobles to be captured.
So before I hear any more gloating, stop writing so many bugs, Devs.
</whine>
Maybe the BattleMaster Dev team should start doing code reviews.
What are y'all complaining about? Coria is the one sick with bad ally syndrome!
What are y'all complaining about? Coria is the one sick with bad ally syndrome!
MI and Hammarsett try to bash each others brains out every other day. BoM has 8K economic strength that they don't know how to use. Eston won't let us attack Coria through Anost, but will bring in Talerium as an enemy on the Eastern front, which forces Darka to march several days to get to the only front available to them.
You were saying?
Hammarsett had around 4-5K, MI had about 5-6K. What huge armies are you talking about?
What are y'all complaining about? Coria is the one sick with bad ally syndrome!
Huge Battle Fought (5 hours, 46 minutes ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Cantril:
Barony of Makar, Eston vs. Cagilan Empire, Talerium
Estimated strengths: 2000 men vs. 1500 men
The Hand of the Citadel (Eston), sponsored by Kealan Emarama, Duke of Hawthorne, Margrave of Hawthorne, were led into battle by Marshal Randor Anduin Hortgarh.
The Army of Thorns (Eston), sponsored by Athena Leather, Royal Justiciar of Eston, Duchess of Barad Lacirith, Margravine of Barad Lacirith, Marshal of the "Royal Judicial Corp, were led into battle by Marshal Vasilios Komnenus.
The Est Sularus oth Mithas (Cagilan Empire), sponsored by Milan Prestongreen, Duke of Cagil, Margrave of Cagil, Ambassador of Cagilan Empire, were led into battle by Marshal Charles Elegant.
The Eaglin Eagles (Cagilan Empire), sponsored by Archymond Paxwax, Duke of Eaglin, Margrave of Eaglin, Marshal of the Lightning Griffins, were led into battle by Marshal Virgo Blue Star.
The Makarian Horde (Barony of Makar), sponsored by Ender Neill, Executor of Barony of Makar, Duke of Makar, Margrave of Makar, were led into battle by Vice-Marshal Thorild Brynjulvsdottir Galle.
Jason Elegant, Prime Minister of Cagilan Empire is spotted wielding the Swift Scythe of Hidale.
Mighty Toff, Viscount of Woodglen is spotted wearing the Ucdauh's Jacket of the Foolish.
Vasilios Komnenus, Count of Loratil, Marshal of the Army of Thorns is spotted wielding the Ornate Staff.
Jason Elegant of Cagilan Empire, Prime Minister of Cagilan Empire was captured by Christofer II Kane's unit.
Ulrich Gray of Cagilan Empire, Earl of Hidale was captured by Amphictyon Archeanis's unit.
Defender Victory!
That's what you have after you've beaten back our forces and marched through the starving regions and overran the level five city walls with 9k CS of militia behind them. Minas Ithil had 12k originally. Hammarsett had 7k originally. That's about 1.5x bigger than what you normally field, which makes sense, since you had 2x gold and diminishing returns kicks in when all of your nobles start fielding 50+ troops.
To be fair, Tara has been fielding 20k CS lately. That's not shabby. They have more nobles now and it shows.
That's more than MI usually brings to the party, but Hammarsett's always been able to manage 8k or so if given a couple weeks without a huge battle. Which we have had. Where the heck is Tara, anyway? Shouldn't they be showing up to rain on our parade right about now?
Finally another epic huge battle ;D
peace!
Coria had double gold, too. And a duke in residence. And plenty of warning that the attack was coming, since it was a two-turn move. We won the battle quite easily. A couple thousand less CS probably wouldn't have mattered.
Well that just isn't true. We weren't aware of the attack before it happened. We had no scout reports of the impending attack due to the broad losses in the leadership chain caused by the massive captures and woundings.Soooo... really what I'm hearing is that Coria has themselves to blame for dropping the ball and not paying attention to the army right next door.
We won the battle quite easily. A couple thousand less CS probably wouldn't have mattered.
I've always wanted a bunch of enemies. Ketchum and GoldPanda you're nobles are all sissies.
Are we enemies now?
I've always wanted a bunch of enemies. Ketchum and GoldPanda you're nobles are all sissies.Yes, please do not be caught with your pant down when I come visit you dead at night 8)
Are we enemies now?
Yes, please do not be caught with your pant down when I come visit you dead at night 8)
That's disturbing.Don't worry, I make it quick. And deadly too. You know the art of shadow :P
Ah, yes, peasants make the best infiltrators.
... What does that say about infiltrators? ::)
Don't worry, I make it quick. And deadly too. You know the art of shadow :P
Hmm, I still missing recommendation. Lot of Unique Items but no buyer :o
Ketchum and GoldPanda you're nobles are all sissies.
Are we enemies now?
Yes, please do not be caught with your pant down when I come visit you dead at night 8)
That's disturbing.
Don't worry, I make it quick. You know the art of shadow :P
Ah, yes, peasants make the best ::)
Owned again?
Come to Coria, get from a Consul. :) I've got some.
Hmm, I still missing recommendation. Lot of Unique Items but no buyer :o
Misreading Ver. 2.0:
:o :o :o
On the same topic but on another topic at the same time i have one confession to make.
This is the most stupid,annoying and !@#$ty war i have ever witnessed in Atamara and i 've seen a lot of them in the past 8 years i m there.GOD I HATE IT! >.<
But it's not their fault that Talerium and Darka have a border agreement. Nor is it their fault that Eston and Coria have a border agreement.
Blame CE, it seems to work for most everything else.
But it's not their fault that Talerium and Darka have a border agreement. Nor is it their fault that Eston and Coria have a border agreement.
But it's not their fault that Talerium and Darka have a border agreement. Nor is it their fault that Eston and Coria have a border agreement.
Are you kidding me? That's totally their fault. It's all a part of their plan to infiltrate and divide the North!
Yeah! CE's plan! The Northern realms general incompetence has nothing to do with it!
I'm pretty sure only Coria's General is competent out of all of the realms of Atamara. I mean who else would come up with a bold plan like leaving your own city to travel to Eston in the name of peace while an army sacks it from behind. I mean that takes true skill.
Man, you just can't let that go, can ya?
Hey, gotta give you props for the one you got me, since I got you in Diplo a few times.
I'm pretty sure only Coria's General is competent out of all of the realms of Atamara. I mean who else would come up with a bold plan like leaving your own city to travel to Eston in the name of peace while an army sacks it from behind. I mean that takes true skill.
yeah he's awesome and all but he will never understand the tactical withdrawal from Barad Gador hahahahahaha
but anyway, i have no idea how he is as a general but he remains a diplomat in army uniforms :P
yeah he's awesome and all but he will never understand the tactical withdrawal from Barad Gador hahahahahaha
but anyway, i have no idea how he is as a general but he remains a diplomat in army uniforms :P
Merlin: "Speak softly and carry a big stick!"
I fully support TR being thought of as merlin! they had SO much in common :D
Who needs diplomacy when it's win or go home? :P
Unless you're Darka, in which case it's just "go home". Oh ho ho ho ho ho. ;D
The thing is Darka has always had a organized and well damn good efficient army. It's unfortunate that Eston still has their border treaty with Coria.
Interpretation is ones own.
However, I'm not in the NA.
I have wondered though how Darka has maintained positive relations with Tal and Eston. Both of them having been in the past attacked by Darka and Eston losing land. Hmm first thought KK must be poisoning them with the 7UP ^_^
Some hothead on the throne could quickly cause some serious mess up on our side of island...ah that would be very cool and entertaining 8)
Well then here's to hoping for change! I'd like nothing better than to see some of those relationships that are seemingly etched in stone get completely blown up whether it hurts my character's interests or not. We need new blood on the thrones of Atamara!
Well then here's to hoping for change! I'd like nothing better than to see some of those relationships that are seemingly etched in stone get completely blown up whether it hurts my character's interests or not. We need new blood on the thrones of Atamara!
How I read it.
Again, don't complain about Eston when Darka 1) refuses to change their stance on Talerium and 2) has been the single biggest barrier to big changes happening in both the war and the island's power structure. No offense, but KK's whole political stance on everything is "let's maintain the status quo." Which is understandable, it's pretty cushy for Darka. But I don't see why Darkans like to criticize Eston for it.
I don't particularly like Darka's set up with Talerium, but the way I see it, if Darka were to break the border treaty with Talerium, Darka would be forced to stay on the Western front, which would allow the Eastern front to get basically slaughtered considering that at least half of the strength that the Eastern Front puts out every campaign is Darkan. Also, Darka is still a mercenary realm. If they started attacking neighbors and breaking border treaties, they would never fight another mercenary war as long as they live, as no neighboring realm would trust them enough to use their lands to accomplish their mercenary goals.
Whereas if Eston attacks Coria, they don't really lose anything,
Or, you know, they could rage across the Eston heartland burning and pillaging unopposed as they did at the beginning of the war. But whatever, nothing to lose.Well, yeah, but... it's the Eston heartland, so no big deal, right? ;)
Darka 1) refuses to change their stance on Talerium andBack when the war as at it's peak, and Carelia was slugging it away with CE, toe-to-toe, my character advocated a massed strike at Cagil. Darka/Eston together could have plowed right through Talerium and northern CE with no resistance, and burned Cagil to the ground. time it with an offensive by Carelia and we could have had a major impact on the entire course of the war. Grumpy old KK wouldn't let me. :'(
2) has been the single biggest barrier to big changes happening in both the war and the island's power structure. No offense, but KK's whole political stance on everything is "let's maintain the status quo."Oh, blah... That's bogus. Darka was one of the realms to instigate the war on CE & Co. IIRC, Darka was pretty much the first to declare the war, barring Carelia, and march to attack CE, in an attempt specifically intended to change the island's entire power structure. KK's stance is merely that Darka will not break our border treaty with Talerium. Beyond that, there is no support for any kind of status quo.
Back when the war as at it's peak, and Carelia was slugging it away with CE, toe-to-toe, my character advocated a massed strike at Cagil. Darka/Eston together could have plowed right through Talerium and northern CE with no resistance, and burned Cagil to the ground. time it with an offensive by Carelia and we could have had a major impact on the entire course of the war. Grumpy old KK wouldn't let me. :'(
People say they want change on the island and in the power structures, yet gripe and complain that Eston is friends with Coria. What the hell is that but an obvious attempt to change how things work on the island?
@ Misericordia
you can't exactly say for others to take a risk when your not willing to take one yourself... Eston and Coria have both taken a risk for change by going for peace instead of fighting.
Hmm so Darka was scared of the central alliances power... interesting.
you can't exactly say for others to take a risk when your not willing to take one yourself... Eston and Coria have both taken a risk for change by going for peace instead of fighting.
Right, because it's soooo game changing. 8)
Making peace is the antithesis of risk;
Taking a risk for change would be for either of those realms to switch sides in the war, an idea which I heartily encourage by the way.
Uh, yeah. It is. Why do you think a lot of people are specifically upset about it? Because it changes the entire dynamics of the current war.
That depends on the situation. For instance, both realms risked seriously upsetting their allies and their respective power blocs by doing so. Especially Eston. When Eston made peace with Coria it was a big deal, it angered her allies, and is still (obviously) a sore spot today for many.
I just got an idea... what if BOTH switch sides? Eston joins CE & Co while Coria joins the Northern Alliance. That could be interesting...
And what were we going to do about it? Politely ask the other side to hold off while we took Eston out back behind the woodshed? Come on. You had to know that the risks were minimal. In the current situation no one can afford to turn allies into enemies. Long term it might lead to some problems for Eston, but I rather doubt it, and if Coria is in any kind of trouble with their allies this is the first I've heard of it. The cold hard fact is that the north needs Eston way too badly to ever consider turning on you while CE is out to get us, something you're no doubt keenly aware of.I have to agree with this. The Eston/Coria treaty was no risk for either party. It's not like CE & Co. was going to bitch Coria out for tying the northerners in knots trying to jump through the hoops we have in order to simply fight the other side. And let's be realistic, there's no way that was going to turn into a Darka/Eston war as long as Darka could still march through Eston. So... yeah... Not very risky.
I just got an idea... what if BOTH switch sides? Eston joins CE & Co while Coria joins the Northern Alliance. That could be interesting...
Darka vs. Eston war was a long time ago, and has pretty much nothing to do with this current war.
Infact, i dont find this war after all so boring, i'm used to fight long wars, stamina is my strenght, only thing which worries me is that my allies give up :P
We will do fine. Coria will fall, mayby not tomorrow and mayby not even this week... but some day. Then it will be Tara & CE. 8)
Darka vs. Eston war was a long time ago, and has pretty much nothing to do with this current war.
Infact, i dont find this war after all so boring, i'm used to fight long wars, stamina is my strenght, only thing which worries me is that my allies give up :P
We will do fine. Coria will fall, mayby not tomorrow and mayby not even this week... but some day. Then it will be Tara & CE. 8)
The day a northern alliance army takes Barad Falas from Coria is the day that Merlin is not the Margrave of that city. It will not happen before then, I assure you.
You can thank Tara for making sure that Suville stays out of this war.Hey now, give Carelia and Caergoth (and Suville, the initiater of this distraction conflict) a little credi too.
They've done nothing but provoke Suville and support Carelian interests since peace was declare with CE. Very odd stance to take. Maybe their tune will change if their rurals get pulverized again.
Moar militia! ;)
I'm going to pretend I have no idea what you're talking about.
Well, it's your own fault you weren't watching. The opportunity was there. You had a Hammarsett TO force in Menedor to watch, and at least 10k cs was showing in BG after the first half of the move.
Which is exactly why that stupid battle happened. No matter how many times I tell people to scout first, then loot, no one seems to pay attention. It was over four hours into the turn before someone noticed that Tara was in Corniel, and they were attacking. And no one from MI ever bothered to say anything at all the entire turn.
How very dare you!!
And on which planet could I EVER be described as a peasant!!
Man, you Darkans got off lightly. The poor cavalry couldn't get into melee for almost the entire battle. A 600-man cavalry charge would have ended that battle a few turns earlier.
Huge Battle Fought (12 hours, 12 minutes ago)=====
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Ambermel:
Caergoth, Carelia vs. Suville
Estimated strengths: 1520 men vs. 1470 men
The Hammers of Carelia (Carelia), sponsored by Karandras Ulthran, Judge of Carelia, Duchess of Sullenport, Margravine of Sullenport, were led into battle by Marshal Richard Leonecoeur Silver.
The Royal Army of Caergoth (Caergoth), sponsored by Sir Macrinus Sciurus, Grand Field Marshal of Caergoth, Duke of Ash'rily, Margrave of Ash'rily, were led into battle by Marshal Aidan Modane.
The Army of Narville (Suville), sponsored by Caibre Eldrake, King of Suville, were led into battle by Marshal Proximus Centauri.
The Army of Riverholm (Suville), sponsored by Kindel Baranof, Duke of Riverholm, Margrave of Riverholm, Ambassador of Suville, were led into battle by Vice-Marshal Cassidy Graves.
John derik (Knight of Bolgar) is spotted wearing the Elemental Gauntlets of the Maiden.
Eoin Gabhann, Treasurer of Carelia is spotted wearing the Circlet of Warding.
Ranulf Flambard, Count of Glassinn is spotted wearing the Mysterious Helm of the Kings.
Jostein Schancke of Caergoth (Knight of Yacon, Caergoth) was captured by Ronan O'Faolain's unit.
Rojer Lyon of Carelia (Lord of Carelia) was captured by Joscelin de Courtenay's unit.
Defender Victory!
Huge Battle Fought (17 minutes ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Ambermel:
Caergoth, Carelia vs. Suville
Estimated strengths: 1140 men vs. 840 men
The Hammers of Carelia (Carelia), sponsored by Karandras Ulthran, Judge of Carelia, Duchess of Sullenport, Margravine of Sullenport, were led into battle by Marshal Richard Leonecoeur Silver.
The Royal Army of Caergoth (Caergoth), sponsored by Sir Macrinus Sciurus, Grand Field Marshal of Caergoth, Duke of Ash'rily, Margrave of Ash'rily, were led into battle by Marshal Aidan Modane.
The Army of Riverholm (Suville), sponsored by Kindel Baranof, Duke of Riverholm, Margrave of Riverholm, Ambassador of Suville, were led into battle by Vice-Marshal Cassidy Graves.
The Army of Narville (Suville), sponsored by Caibre Eldrake, King of Suville, were led into battle by Marshal Proximus Centauri.
Trager Maximoff, Margrave of Dampinn is spotted wearing the Blessed Vest from the North.
John derik (Knight of Bolgar) is spotted wearing the Elemental Gauntlets of the Maiden.
Ulf Kelperhurst of Carelia (Lord of Carelia) was captured by Dakmar Darksun's unit.
Hallvar Schancke of Carelia, Count of Bolgar was captured by Jayden Lacoste Archbane's unit.
Galdar Borgia of Suville (Knight of Dampinn, Suville) was captured by Talius Sargeras Valorian's unit.
Vorg Vorgon of Carelia (Lord of Carelia) was seriously wounded by Dakmar Darksun's unit.
Defender Victory!
Planet of Peasants
There were Caergoth troops? Go figure. As for me, I'm rather enjoying relentlessly stating that Suville is in the right and that the whole war with Carelia is all their fault anyway. Maybe eventually I'll even get someone to believe me (though not likely a Carelian :P).
I believe you! We're doing the same thing with Hammarsett.
(Will you send troops to help us with that when you're done with this now?)
Takeover (2 days, 17 hours ago)
message to Everyone on Atamara
Tara has taken control of Lothruin. The region used to belong to Hammarsett.
Takeover (4 hours, 50 minutes ago)
message to Everyone on Atamara
Tara has taken control of Lyton. The region used to belong to Hammarsett.
New Ruler Elected (4 hours, 50 minutes ago)
message to Everyone on Atamara
The realm of Barony of Makar has elected Sordnaz Dagger as its new Dictator.
Yeah, Sordnaz isn't new at all. He probably lost his position by getting wounded for a really long time or something of that nature. He is, after all, incredibly old. As for Tara TOing our regions, it's definitely a new wrinkle... Not sure why it's them instead of Coria this time. Could just be that they're the ones in the field at the moment.
Legend has it that St Catherine of Alexandria was sentenced to be executed on one of these devices, which thereafter became known as the Catherine wheel, also used as an iconographic attribute. The wheel miraculously broke when she touched it; she was then beheaded.
That's why we need to spark a massive, island-wide revolution and throw out all those old fogies. Viva la revolucion!
You are one of the old fogies. >:(
Eh? I didn't even start playing until 2008. And at the time I left Atamara shortly after starting there, because I thought it sucked. I didn't try again and create Laszlo until 2009. That makes me practically a neophyte compared to half the people running Atamara these days.
The average starting year of the current rulers of Atamara is 2005. I rest my case.
so you are a not so old fogy. :P
Exactly! :D
Also, I didn't rule on AT for very long. I was (reluctantly) the King of Hammarsett for about six months. I didn't enjoy it very much. It's hard to quantify, but there was a pervasive sense that the island has this enormously powerful momentum to it. It's been hurtling along with the same basic structure and relationships for so many years that no matter how many bright ideas you have or how dramatically you try to shake things up (see: the current war), nothing really changes at a fundamental level. That's why I vote that we explode the whole thing and start over. 8)
I'll give you a hint of what you did wrong. You tried to change things up while still retaining power. It is a lot easier to change things up if you don't try to hold on to any power. Plus brute force is not going to work. Change on atamara is slow but the only way to actually successfully change it is to work slowly. Hammarsett's method was fast and direct. Mine isn't. Mainly because hammarsett is still kicking. If ppl want change they'll let hammarsett die. Coincidentally that makes me more powerful but you can ignore that part. :)
" Add to this, he is critically wounded and may die anytime today"
Critically wounded people will not die from their wounds. No matter what people tell you, or how you interpret things, one fact remains in thee current system: if you don't die *instantly*, you will *not* die from it.
If natural death existed it would be more talked about. IIRC chars simply get fewer hours and heal slower as they age.
I would be in favor of some form of natural death. Perhaps some kind of check would run every two weeks or so with certain percentage chance of dying a natural death? This would only start to happen once you hit some obscene age, perhaps 90?
...Has anyone seen my hat?
Do you need to eat it or something?
Do you need to eat it or something?
No. I just want to know where it is.
But I'll just blame Perth for nothing happening. I mean cmon he's managed to secure more of hammards lands in a week than I have in the entire war.
I don't what the hell was so hard about it or what you've been complaining about this whole time. 8)
This war really makes a mercenary realm obsolete, so as a member of Darka, I really think you should all make peace, then maybe have a smaller war that someone can buy our services for.
Second option would be for us to cancel all alliances and sit at home unless someone pays us to fight.
Not really. If Darka switched sides for money, the Northern Alliance would !@#$ their pants. The stalemate would be gone, and the NA would crumple, with Hammarsett dying pretty soon after the switch.
KK, though, thinks for some reason we should be mercenaries in every war except this one? Some BS about CE having their tentacles in too many barrels of wine. :P
That's a nice sentiment, but unpractical. While we could act like that (and inquiries have been made of us), you can't afford to piss off your neighbors and still expect them to let you march armies through their land. They will eventually strike when you are otherwise occupied.
It takes a lot of diplomacy to be a mercenary realm. You have to prevent too many people from getting angry with you.
We haven't pissed off Talerium. I bet they get a laugh out of all the Darkan newbies that get skirmished in Cantril.
That's a nice sentiment, but unpractical. While we could act like that (and inquiries have been made of us), you can't afford to piss off your neighbors and still expect them to let you march armies through their land. They will eventually strike when you are otherwise occupied.
It takes a lot of diplomacy to be a mercenary realm. You have to prevent too many people from getting angry with you.
Kostaja's just not greedy enough. Y'all should replace him wiht someone. I mean cmon, how much gold does he even need to take a contract? I know the contracts you used to take certainly weren't as high as the offer I sent recently. He won't even take a bribe. What kind of mercenary realm has a King who won't take a bribe?
It's a mercenary realm that acknowledges the realities of politics. If Darka took every contract that was offered to betray their current ally, whoever that may be, they would quickly end up ostracised and ganged up on, and for good reason. KK is smart enough to know that. And so are you. So you don't want a greedier Darkan king, you want a dumber one. But for the record, no one in the king's council was willing to consider your offer. Darka just isn't a realm willing to sell its friends short.
Also true. I feel like Darka can be a little riskier, but I understand why we aren't being riskier.
You could argue this around in circles all day, for every realm on Atamara. It is the reason why Atamara is the way it is.
Soon enough. Sadly I've had spotty internet for the last week or so. But I'll just blame Perth for nothing happening. I mean cmon he's managed to secure more of hammards lands in a week than I have in the entire war.
Not really. If Darka switched sides for money, the Northern Alliance would !@#$ their pants. The stalemate would be gone, and the NA would crumple, with Hammarsett dying pretty soon after the switch.
It's a mercenary realm that acknowledges the realities of politics. If Darka took every contract that was offered to betray their current ally, whoever that may be, they would quickly end up ostracised and ganged up on, and for good reason. KK is smart enough to know that. And so are you. So you don't want a greedier Darkan king, you want a dumber one. But for the record, no one in the king's council was willing to consider your offer. Darka just isn't a realm willing to sell its friends short.
You want political realities?
Here's one: No one in the Northern Alliance will offer Darka a contract because they are already fighting for the Northern Alliance. The only people who would offer Darka a contract are in the Central Alliance and their contract would only be against members of the Northern Alliance. The Southern tri-fecta are too busy looking at each other crossways and trying to stab each other in the back more often than the Lurians than to offer a contract to Darka and Darka is too far away anyway to even make that worth it.
So, if you want to ever be a mercenary realm (again) you either have to:
1. End this war.
2. Change up what the current sides are (which coincidentally is being slowed down by Kostaja....)
3. Or take a contract with a realm from the central alliance.
If you don't want to take one of those three, then I really don't think you have any right to complain about the current state of events. It's not like you're going to win the war against the central alliance militarily at this point. Y'all took down our city walls from lvl 5 to lvl 2 in a matter of days and within 10 days they were back to level 5 again without even denting Coria's reserve funds. I also know this heavily hurt Hammarsett's ability to keep up a strong army. If Hammarsett loses their full army even once more they will likely have a large problem trying to rebuild it without cutting into their militia.
So, if you really want to find something new and not betray your allies, I'd suggest having Kostaja and Aldarion put their heads together. Plan a little fake skirmishing on your border with Talerium for just two weeks and the Hammarsett problem is over and done with.
There is an option number four which is better and funnier.
You want political realities?
Here's one: No one in the Northern Alliance will offer Darka a contract
Not true. I basically told Kostaja to name his price to either attack Talerium and/or support the Kerwin/Merlin treaty proposal and he politely turned me down like I was trying to sell him fruit on the side of the road. :-\
EDIT: Basically Darka has gone from brutal mercenary realm to Eddard Stark-never-betray-an-ally Honor realm in one war. I mean, I'm not complaining if people have been trying to turn them on Eston, as I'm sure some have, but it's still crazy to me the switch!
Maybe you should offer them a duchy of Eston. I hear they like that more than other contracts.
Perhaps I just get the feeling that Kostaja only knows what end of the sword to stick at your enemy and not much else. He never really responds much to my character. So either that makes him really really smart, or just dumb.
He !@#$s with your minds cause this is how he rolls.
I know that feel, bro.
He's a freaking enigma! I can't get a read on him! It's always just "Good day! Doop, dedoop, doo!"
Ah, i have had a busy week, been on vacation and shoveled poop like there would be no tomorrow... but tomorrow comes and back to work.
Soo, reason why this is not time to sell out friends is... we are going very short on friends here at NA.
Every time when coalition member does its own magic on diplomatic front, it causes drama and trouble. Coalition and alliance means that we fight together, we win together, we lose together and most of all... we negotiate together.
I'm wooooooooorking on it. Let's just say it's not Eston, Coria, or even Hammarsett that is slowing down things.
Hell, if Darka just didn't do anything for two weeks, Hammarsett would roll over and die, Minas Ithil would hide in their capital and the Barony would just walk through Eston and Talerium to go attempt to loot CE.
C'mon, let's just have Darka switch sides then Tara can go beat up Suville.I am surprised to hear that from a Suvillian though you do also have a Taran character. Regardless I support the idea.
C'mon, let's just have Darka switch sides then Tara can go beat up Suville.
At this point, I'd be happy to see that happen. If losing this war is the price of ending it, I will gladly pay up. I'm deathly bored with the whole thing. Eston and Darka should have a contest to see who can turn coat faster, and the rest of the Northern Alliance should just drop dead. It's over and we're not going to win unless something dramatic happens to break up the other side's alliances. If it doesn't, the best we can hope for is for this stalemate to go on forever and frankly that sounds like some sort of Battlemaster hell.
At this point, I'd be happy to see that happen. If losing this war is the price of ending it, I will gladly pay up. I'm deathly bored with the whole thing. Eston and Darka should have a contest to see who can turn coat faster, and the rest of the Northern Alliance should just drop dead. It's over and we're not going to win unless something dramatic happens to break up the other side's alliances. If it doesn't, the best we can hope for is for this stalemate to go on forever and frankly that sounds like some sort of Battlemaster hell.
Meh...
Darka will not be a mercenary realm again, that sadly obvious. Yet, biggest risk they took was war on CE ^_^. I find that interesting, it was on the minds of Darkan's for a long time. Then when they go I come back and decide to try the life on the other side, Ha.
At this point, I'd be happy to see that happen. If losing this war is the price of ending it, I will gladly pay up. I'm deathly bored with the whole thing. Eston and Darka should have a contest to see who can turn coat faster, and the rest of the Northern Alliance should just drop dead. It's over and we're not going to win unless something dramatic happens to break up the other side's alliances. If it doesn't, the best we can hope for is for this stalemate to go on forever and frankly that sounds like some sort of Battlemaster hell.
Darka will not be a mercenary realm againNot until after some peace agreement is reached to end the current set of wars. Or something monumental happens to change the entire political landscape of the island.
If you want that to happen you can have it happen over night if you just send a three word letter (from your Ruler) to all of your fellow Northern Alliance members: "Accept the proposal". They'll understand.
If you want that to happen you can have it happen over night if you just send a three word letter (from your Ruler) to all of your fellow Northern Alliance members: "Accept the proposal". They'll understand.
They can be a mercenary realm again, but not under KK, I think. KK would have to switch stances to make sure we can be mercenary again, and then a new King/Queen dedicated to the mercenary tradition of Darka would have to arise after that, and make that clear to everyone...
This political shift you speak of would be interesting if it happens just like that damion invasion im still waiting for
Sorry. We killed them all already..
Nah, actually, now it's just undead and monster spawning scrolls that hang over the continent like a couple dozen nuclear deterrents. Afaik, there won't be a new "real" invasion.
Still, this is going to be interesting. We've already had one of our nobles killed in a debate over the ethics of using those scrolls in Thalmarkin. :)
From what I heard, no mod-controlled invasions. Tom may get angry one day and drop 250K Daimons on Belu just for kicks and giggles.
Yeah. Can't believe he got killed by someone with 10% swordfighting...
I can't wait til people start using them.
Prediction: The war will continue, and Darka will help one side, and that side will win their conflict. The rest of the war will just be a (much needed) drain of gold and resources and not result in any real change.
Prediction: Carelia to be double-crossed by Caergoth and Suville when the war either drags on too long or Carelia starts losing. Would place money on it.
Prediction:
The Caligan Empire will be threatened with destruction and every realm fighting them will have 100 undead spawn in every region.
Prediction: It's going to be a glorious, bloody mess and whichever side ends up winning is going to start fighting over the spoils in short order, possibly soon enough to let the losing side come back.
the best we can hope for is for this stalemate to go on forever and frankly that sounds like some sort of Battlemaster hell.
Almost 100% correct.That would be more like 50% correct because only Suville betrayed Carelia, Caergoth went to crap and couldn't help for awhile but now its helping Carelia again.
That would be more like 50% correct because only Suville betrayed Carelia, Caergoth went to crap and couldn't help for awhile but now its helping Carelia again.
Well, they got the time period right though too.So how about they were 75% right?
*looks at Minas Ithil*
Right. "Stalemate".
Of course there will be a change on this war, and will be Suville going north.
The beast is hard to contain, and even harder to get them our our backyard, it will be the last push necessary for the north to surrender, or go behind walls.
Suville can hardly beat Carelia on most days. That and their distance make their stance in this war next to irrelevant.
Carelia and it's "never surrender" policy aren't making it any easier.
Maybby you should send that to your own ruler, he understands. I made him counter proposal and he declined it short handedly.
Good grief, now I have a number of Lords clamoring for Eston to try to lay claim to and keep all the regions around the Duchy of Shanandoah.
They seem realistically think this would work, or that it would go well for us, or that it would some how lend itself to winning the war.
If I was drinking anything right now, it'd have spewed forth from my nose due to laughter.
Good grief, now I have a number of Lords clamoring for Eston to try to lay claim to and keep all the regions around the Duchy of Shanandoah.
They seem realistically think this would work, or that it would go well for us, or that it would some how lend itself to winning the war.
Silly Eston.
I am exasperated at this. Now two Lords and a Duke are vehemently arguing with me about how it is "ludicrous" that I would be giving away regions "without resistance" to an enemy realm. It's like they have no knowledge of the political and military reality around us. It is like they have been alseep and just woke up "Oh, some regions over there came over to us. Uh, why the hell aren't we keeping them?" I AM GOING TO GO INSANE.
Sounds like they are acting like true Medieval Nobles then. Besides they might well understand the realities, they might just want to make trouble for your character.
Sounds like they are acting like true Medieval Nobles then. Besides they might well understand the realities, they might just want to make trouble for your character.
Silly Eston.
Nevertheless, I have been forced to acquiesce and I may have to withdraw my support for the treaty.
What kind of weak King are you anyway?
Pretty weak.
This war has been raging the whole time I've been King. I've never really had time to purge opponents or consolidate a lot of power. It sucks :/ Not to mention Eston has A LOT of entrenched old power. 3 of my 4 Dukes are characters in their 70s or 80s, and have been the Dukes of those cities (or other cities, or ex-Kings of Eston) since I've been in the realm in 2008. Seriously.
Nevertheless, I have been forced to acquiesce and I may have to withdraw my support for the treaty.
I'm not kidding. They are seriously upset with me about it and think I am "weak and conservative" for giving them away.
Still being relatively new to Atamara, can you tell me why holding these regions would be so ridiculous?
Hmm...may need to find myself a new lackey.
I just don't think the politics add up. I highly doubt Coria would be okay with it. I honestly think Coria would fight us for them. I mean why not, they've been fighting a war for two years now to gain them, and I don't realistically see how we could hope to defend the regions in far East while defending our borders in the far West. Just doesn't seem to add up; I guess a lot of people think I'm wrong though.
B..but... can I still be your lover?
Oh, yes, Eston should definitely try to defend those regions. You can afford to pull most of your knights out of Nazamroth for this. I promise not to take advantage of the situation. ;)
Aha! I knew it!
B..but... can I still be your lover?
If he spanks my General, I am finding a new General. I only want manly generals.
Unrelated: If a noble named himself "Specific", I would instantly promote him to General. That way, I could giggle every time I had to address him. "General Specific!"
Skirmish in Nemaha (1 day, 6 hours ago)
Small forces from Minas Ithil attacked Nemaha, but were quickly surrounded by overwhelming defending units. Vastly outnumbered, the attackers surrendered and were all captured.
Takeover (1 day, 6 hours ago)
message to Everyone on Atamara
Tara has taken control of Nemaha. The region used to belong to Minas Ithil.
Takeover (1 day, 6 hours ago)
message to Everyone on Atamara
Suville has taken control of Lurgrod. The region used to belong to (rogue).
Look like war is coming to an end. Pretty soon one realm will end up dead these days 8)
This war will never end until CE and Tara are the only two remaining realms!!!
Is not hard, they just have to occupy the center of the continent, and make any other outside region Rogue.
Is the only way to Unofficially, noncompetitive, dishonorable, disheartening, (CENSORED) way to win the game.
Which, OF COURSE, will bring a amazing Realm Wide Storm of Lighting Bolts, that even Thor, Pikachu, Nikola would be jealous.
I remember i had a discussion like that ion IRC around 2007-2008
Peace!
Replace me? Who would you replace me with?
Good luck with that one...lol
Saeculo's back. ;)
Plus, I'm sure Wind wouldn't mind coming back to the military.
Of course I don't think Merlin and Kerwin (how did I not notice the similarity in names until now?) are kinky like that.
How would that bring lightning bolts? That hardly makes sense to me. If somehow you convince everyone to go along with that and not have Dukes seceding to form new realms or colonizations happen, I think you should be able to do it.
And of course, it will be more a OCC cooperation, because there is no way you can explain IC (without opposition), that you wish to conquer a continent just to have it go rogue.
And of course, it will be more a OCC cooperation, because there is no way you can explain IC (without opposition), that you wish to conquer a continent just to have it go rogue.
Isn't this how the current war started? Some OOC co-operation between Carelia and the North?
Isn't this how the current war started? Some OOC co-operation between Carelia and the North?
Carelia fighted with spirit against CE but it wasn't enough. They paid heavily and now another realm is figting against them. One of thei old allies. Because of this greediness Tara is aiding Carelia, we can't do much but atleast we are trying.
Now that's just not true at all. If you left us alone for a while, you could do a lot. Come on, it's not like Coria needs the help anymore... Go rain on someone else's parade for a while. ;D
It was King Bartho (of Carelia) who commented about starting the war in an OOC fashion. This might have been the original war with Suville and Caergoth. It was long enough ago that Carelia has gone through 3 monarchs and as many duchies since then.
Wait, I'm confused... Are you telling Darka to give up on Hammarsett or are you saying Coria's become strong enough to fight on our own?
I don't know Zadar IC... Sounds Darkan, though?
Can Hammarsett roll over and die now, please? I've got other things I want to do. :(
Zadar plays the Perkeleet family I believe. You know, Ottar. If you want us to roll over, make a better offer. Your current offer isn't really all that enticing.
Zadar plays the Perkeleet family I believe. You know, Ottar. If you want us to roll over, make a better offer. Your current offer isn't really all that enticing.
Well Perth is being a ....well I'll leave that open ended.
Y'all can vote for a member of Hammarsett to take his spot in Coria's *cough* (Merlin's) *cough* lap? The person could even change once a month or something.
How's that?
Zadar plays the Perkeleet family I believe. You know, Ottar. If you want us to roll over, make a better offer. Your current offer isn't really all that enticing.
Well Perth is being a ....well I'll leave that open ended.
Y'all can vote for a member of Hammarsett to take his spot in Coria's *cough* (Merlin's) *cough* lap? The person could even change once a month or something.
How's that?
What have I done!?
It's your Consul who put the treaty on hold!
What have I done!?
It's your Consul who put the treaty on hold!
Hell, I'm Consul and I don't even get that! I don't even technically have land to myself... I've got the best house in Barad Falas, but that's it.
Oh I just hate it when lovers fight. :'(
I wonder how much pillow talk goes on between Merlin and Kerwin.
Oh I just hate it when lovers fight. :'(
I wonder how much pillow talk goes on between Merlin and Kerwin.
Oh, gotcha. Makes MUCH more sense now.
Now really, how enticing does an offer have to be for a realm with one city? You can't honestly expect after a two-year war that we're going to offer you all lordships around our lake with beach chairs and pina coladas. Hell, I'm Consul and I don't even get that! I don't even technically have land to myself... I've got the best house in Barad Falas, but that's it.
Wait... Would you do it for a Scooby Snack?
He dont need you anymore, he got what he wanted from you... now he is murmuring other peoples ear to get what he wants next :)
Let me give you a little hint. We're not so much focused on winning concessions for ourselves at this point.
he (and I'm guilty here, too) thought that Coria couldn't back down from Hatred.
Actually, does anyone know when that changed? I was told OOC many times before I even considered becoming Consul that you couldn't go back from Hatred, but it popped up a little while ago that you just take a big peasant mood swing across your realm. I have a feeling it was actually always this way and I just never checked.
Seriously, though, you're trying (with one city and one city only) to pull concessions for the entire NA? Noble idea, but that's even less reasonable than granting yourselves some decent treatment when your city goes down. Especially since your King keeps professing that he didn't want the war to continue anyway, just that he (and I'm guilty here, too) thought that Coria couldn't back down from Hatred.
One city that could still take you a long time to siege. We could hold out indefinitely if our allies kept supporting us, a continual thorn in your side, up until you mustered enough strength to storm the city, which is protected by a Fortress. I estimate that you would need at least 30k CS to have a shot, probably more.
I'm not interested in concessions for everyone. I'm interested in a few specific items, or at least I was. MI has been getting on my nerves though, so I might just stop trying to pull their asses out of the fire at this point.
Well you might as well make them known to Ravendon yourself... It's been MONTHS since I heard of any counter-proposals from Hammarsett. I've heard a lot of "yes" or "no" or "that sounds more reasonable", but nothing to actually work with me to adjust anything. To be fair, I'm not sure how much adjustment we can make, but I can't do anything until I know what it is you want.
One city that could still take you a long time to siege. We could hold out indefinitely if our allies kept supporting us, a continual thorn in your side, up until you mustered enough strength to storm the city, which is protected by a Fortress. I estimate that you would need at least 30k CS to have a shot, probably more.
I only ask about magic because I can't remember many uses of it beside on BT, and those rare glimpses of it. I was thinking something more appropriate would be useful there. Like crossing into closed border realms and such, but that just my thoughts.
I only ask about magic because I can't remember many uses of it beside on BT, and those rare glimpses of it. I was thinking something more appropriate would be useful there. Like crossing into closed border realms and such, but that just my thoughts.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Scrolls (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Scrolls) You probably did have a scroll of fireball since they do exist.
In other news, Suville once again shows poormilitary skillactivity level, as they move first two-thirds of their army one day and then a half of what was remaining their to battle so they get their butts kicked.
Fixed that for you.I apologize, you are right on that. Did you guys order the move later in the day ? Seemed like it IIRC from the scout reports.
I apologize, you are right on that. Did you guys order the move later in the day ? Seemed like it IIRC from the scout reports.
Yeah, it was a late order I believe - should have waited the extra tick.Yeah, if you would have waited so that you have more people leaving at once, I think you would of stopped the takeover. By sending reinforcements, basically it hurt you guys and not us, since on both realms, Caergoth and Carelia, only took a CS hit of a couple hundred each while Suville got hurt quite a bit (I didn't do the math on you guys.)
Tell that to the General :)Why would I do that? He might actually listen, and we don't want that.
...
I don't know why you would post that now, considering the deal isn't done yet.
More importantly, the northern realms are suspiciously quiet about the fact that Suville has officially joined the fight against them. Surely they've noticed the new banners among their enemies... surely?
Well, like Sonya said: RELEASE THE KRAKEN!
It's not being suspiciously quiet, it's called "hiding."
...
I don't know why you would post that now, considering the deal isn't done yet.
"Please hold. Your diplomacy is important to us. In a few moments, a representative will be with you to take your treaty. Please stay on the line and do not venture into our dungeons."
Battlemaster should come with Jeopardy music for cases like this.
I'm just waiting for the Darkan army to appear in Belegmon to sack Barad Falas.
Hey now, Kerwin would never let that happen.
Hey... we haven't spoken in a while, why don't we meet somewhere for coffee? Say, Anost or even Barad Lacirirth?
Sounds good. My allies and I have been looking for a place to let our armies have a little bit of coffee and relax for a bit. Where would you like us all to come?
Tarasac?
Also, funniest thing that's happened to me in BM:\
Tarasac?
But, but, they're my allies....
Wow your time in BM must have sucked...
Tarasac?
I PROMISED YOU THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meh....I got rid of the last Eston King when he became useless....It can certainly happen again.
I know that feel, bro.
He's a freaking enigma! I can't get a read on him! It's always just "Good day! Doop, dedoop, doo!"
Can I come, too?
Of course. Not sure if you'll like them, though.
Hey, these cookies are all stabby.
We can always make an artificial lake, by filling Merlin's ego with water. ;)
We can always make an artificial lake, by filling Merlin's ego with water. ;)
We can always make an artificial lake, by filling Merlin's ego with water. ;)
Can we quit now? I give up. Really. Let's just call this one finished, and move on to the next big thing.
The other bad thing about this is that although this long war may wind down, the island is still incredibly polarized and the "all-in" mentality of the alliance system is so ingrained.
I find it hard to foresee any wars in the near future not essentially just erupting along the same lines again. Which... would bode poorly for the North at this point, of course.
BOOOOORRRRRRINNNGGGGG
What's really sad is that this war was an effort to do just that. I dunno, maybe some of the players on the other side are still enjoying it, but it stopped being fun for me a long time ago. Actually, it never really was that much fun after the first month or two to be honest, I just had hopes that it would shake things up. Which it didn't, really. And now it's just going on and on and on and on...
Yeah.
The worst part is everyone in the north knows this. And everyone in the north agrees its boring. Everyone in the north agrees it should be changed. Everyone in the north agrees there need to be some shake ups. Oh well....
Can we quit now? I give up. Really. Let's just call this one finished, and move on to the next big thing.
Can we quit now? I give up. Really. Let's just call this one finished, and move on to the next big thing.
Haha. Ahahahaha. No.
The other bad thing about this is that although this long war may wind down, the island is still incredibly polarized and the "all-in" mentality of the alliance system is so ingrained.
I find it hard to foresee any wars in the near future not essentially just erupting along the same lines again. Which... would bode poorly for the North at this point, of course.
Fixed that for you. Those of us in the south are looking forward to loot and pillage in the north for a change. The north got to loot in the south for nearly two years. Now it's our turn.
lmao... just like you try to kill an epic boss (CE) and when your tank (Hammarsett) is dead and you try to run, the boss roots you (in Cantril) and keeps attacking and your friends(MI) are half-dead due to nasty AoE damage of the boss. I can understand how you feel. All the fun from game is gone :'(
Now click the link to roll a random number between 1 and 14 and that's your new realm!
http://www.random.org/integers/?num=1&min=1&max=14&col=5&base=10&format=html&rnd=new
I rolled a 2
Ewwwww i got carelia!
Personally I'm rooting for the South at this point. I just want them to hurry up and crush everyone already.
Once those armies destroying MI leave to refit, they shouldn't return. Unless Coria decides to ignore the treaty they just (sort of) signed anyway, or find a loophole in it. Either of which are plausible possibilities.
If Coria sticks to the treaty and BoM and MI don't blow it up, the war in the east will effectively end. Only the all too aptly named western front will remain. Minas Leon's secession does complicate things however.
The south is actually looking good. It kinga reminds me of Abington for some reason eh gotta stop living in the past
Umm... what?
CE and Co. have destroyed like 3 or 4 realms consecutively in the past few years...
We've done a fair bit of looting in the south. Now we want to loot in the north for a change.
Realms destroyed by "CE & Co": Abington, Falasan, Helmsdale, Hammarsett
Realms created (or ripped out of our enemies) by "CE & Co": Caergoth, Suville, Coria, Strombran, Helmsdale, Hammarsett, Minas Leon
Realms destroyed by the NA: Norland
Realms created by the NA: ...
In other words:
The South giveth, the South taketh away. Net number of realms in the South has increased. The North just takes. Realms either stagnate in the North, or just get absorbed into the last remaining few realms.
"CE & Co": Net realm creator
NA: Net realm destroyer
Net number of new realms created by the South: 3
Net number of new realms created by the NA: ZE-RO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwqjk5Ppa2w&t=2m3s
Don't blame me when the NA only knows how to loot, and don't know how to follow through and actually kill realms that are not your former allies. 8)
8. I truly think the only way that this problem though is solved in the long-run is if the CE/Tara federation splits.
Don't blame me when the NA only knows how to loot, and don't know how to follow through and actually kill realms that are not your former allies. 8)
Agreed. They are an unbelievable powerhouse, I would daresay the strongest in the game. Alas, they both know this so I don't see how it could ever happen really. The beginning of this war, uniting North and Far South, was the best chance we were ever going to have, and we blew it.
I still stand by the fact that by uniting the North and the Far South, that you ensured your disaster. It was no guaranteed matter, but long-term that alliance would be impossible to maintain. The politics involved were just too untenable and the benefits gained just could not work.
Now, you WOULD have had success if Darka was convinced to invade Talerium from the beginning, and the Far South invaded both Tara and CE from the beginning.
Had you achieved a TRUE rock solid alliance between north and far south, then you would have won the war no matter what. However, it was not a secured alliance under a single vision. If it was, then nothing else would have stopped you.
Thought I should throw out my prediction that Tara/Coria will end up regretting supporting Minas Leon (should it survive the next few weeks without any rurals).
I would like to point out that seeing as Hammarsett survived seemingly months without rurals....well I think its possible. (Also with a full contingent of militia in the city at the time)
Which one of MI's "allies" do you think will be happy to help MI at this point? I can't really think of any.
Ya think? You must know a different side of the Barony than I do...
Though I hate it, because BOTH of my characters remember when Minas Ithil was the Barony's most hated enemy. Coria's hatred for Hammarsett looked like a playground grudge compared to that.
Ya think? You must know a different side of the Barony than I do...
I know, it's weird.
Remember when we offered Sordnaz the duchy of York on a silver platter and he was all like "Nah, no thanks. I like the Ithilians."
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3udxjH5Yl1r2c05t.gif)
He's right. Sordnaz keeps his word.
Though I hate it, because BOTH of my characters remember when Minas Ithil was the Barony's most hated enemy. Coria's hatred for Hammarsett looked like a playground grudge compared to that.
Of course. Say what you will about the Lich King. He takes good care of his dogs.
The Nekrogoblikon?
Thank you for this. Best thing since... Jens, was it? The Namtrah family... A laugh a day!
Hmm, lots of silence on this board. Either we're all way too bored of this war or something big and nasty is about to happen.
I just thought the topic had gotten too long... But had nothing better to discuss.there is a decent chance Suville vs Carelia will be over soon.
Honestly, the war's pretty much wrapped up... Or at least the biggest of the wars... We've still got Suville and Carelia going at it (much to my chagrin), Minas Leon's in danger (surprise) and Cantril's still hosting the Staring Olypmics.
there is a decent chance Suville vs Carelia will be over soon.
Don't you mean the CE vs Tara conflict?
CE and Tara should actually fight a war; pulling allies to either side. It would be epic. It would be the greatest thing to happen to Atamara in forever. It's such a good idea.I see that as possible but something that will take a lot of hard work and dedication by more than one person.
I see that as possible but something that will take a lot of hard work and dedication by more than one person.
If Ce declares war to Tara that would mean that Coria will perish for sure.I haven't made my decission which side and what path I will choose. Currently I have way too many options.
CE and Tara fighting that would be a day.
What would be more interesting would be Eston sacking Darka for taking it duchy.
I wonder how many real friends Coria have? Currently I can't find any who really trust them.That will happen when you offer to turn on an ally in the middle of the war.
I wonder how many real friends Coria have? Currently I can't find any who really trust them.
I wonder how many real friends Coria have? Currently I can't find any who really trust them.
I dunno, I've been trying pretty hard to encourage people to put a bounty on my head... Every time I check the bounty board, I'm mildly upset.
Hoh, like we would use our precious gold like that? There is reason why Darka has so much gold... we dont spend itcarelesslyat all :)
I dunno, I've been trying pretty hard to encourage people to put a bounty on my head... Every time I check the bounty board, I'm mildly upset.
I dunno, I've been trying pretty hard to encourage people to put a bounty on my head... Every time I check the bounty board, I'm mildly upset.
There fixed that for you.
I know Darka has like 15k siting around. Their Dukes can have a competition to see who they can get assassinated first.
Hoh, like we would use our precious gold like that? There is reason why Darka has so much gold... we dont spend it carelessly :)Your word put smile on my face. Seems I chose the right realm to change realm to :P
isn't a 50 gold bounty already cool?
O.o Tara v.s CE? That would be epic for sure! Better start saving up gold for that one...
You know nothing.
In other news, Minas Leon is hosting about half of Tara's army potential. Didn't realize they were so important.
Nor did I realize you were allowing them passage to do so....
EDIT: I mean, if I said no just because of the proximity to MI, it'd be like saying Tara can't go through Coria to reach the CE because it's too close to Eston.
You know nothing.
I don't see the problem there. ;D
I knew ya wouldn't. ;)
Wait a second...what's going on here between you two. Perth are you cheating on me?
We never even talk to me anymore! You're so absent! A man has needs!
Peace is boring....Makes it hard to plot.
Hmph, that's not what Eirikr whispers to me...
I think Merlin's just getting old and isn't plotting like he used to... :P
What is this? Days of our Lives?
Coria is still in the war?
ML is making progress
All quiet on the Western front.
Well, technically. With Darka... But our allies are still at war. It'd be callous to say: 'Hey guys, we're done here. Good luck and all that, we'll see ya in a few months.' We have to at least try to support them. :)
Coria is still in the war?
ML is making progress
All quiet on the Western front.
Wait, what do you mean Tara is out of the picture? There's still like 15k CS of Tara around Leohampton. (Which, I might add, is just barely over the size of the force that was typically helping Coria. I'm wondering where they squeezed out that extra 2-3k CS when we heard a lot of excuses during the actual war.)
Speaking 100% OOC as I always try to do on the forums, the state of war really is superficial... Coria has absolutely no way to navigate the mess of treaties (without breaking one) to go fight a new war. That's completely fine with us for now, until we take over the realm-sized clump of rogue regions now sitting on our doorstep. Quite honestly, I almost went to the diplomacy page to sign peace with KK as soon as I got his letter (was kinda waiting for it)... Then I realized how that wouldn't really make sense symbolically.
Wait, what do you mean Tara is out of the picture?
Well, this reply surprises me a bit, since you still signed treaty with Eston while they were at war with CE & Talerium and same with MI.
anyway, gotta see how this will evolve.
-Jaune
With the Treaty of Shannondoah in effect, Tara is not allowed to use Corian lands to fight MI correct?
Tara's free to visit them all they want, unless Coria is now preventing their allies from visiting allies' allies through our lands as well.\
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:o Awesome way to put it. And yeah, I held in Leohampton too, along with about 15k Tara CS, with only about 3K CS of MI right next door, but we couldn't attack them. We're only allowed to defend.
There's a reason I've got a ruler. ;) It also helps having a degree in Professional Writing, even if I picked it up as an accessory to my degree in Aerospace Engineering.
\Staring match eh? To see who broke down first... Now all we need is some rogue element, and the firewood will be lighted with a cigarette 8)
:o Awesome way to put it. And yeah, I held in Leohampton too, along with about 15k Tara CS, with only about 3K CS of MI right next door, but we couldn't attack them. We're only allowed to defend.
Staring match eh? To see who broke down first... Now all we need is some rogue element, and the firewood will be lighted with a cigarette 8)I'd be willing to be this cigarette ;)
Sounds good, just need to get a job first. ;) Still just a fresh graduate.Good, it'll take me a while to get to astronaut :P I'm 16. So I can wait ;D
Huge Battle Fought
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Nazia:
Eston vs. Cagilan Empire
Estimated strengths: 830 men vs. 680 men
Attacker Victory!
Huge Battle Fought
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Leohampton:
Barony of Makar vs. Minas Leon, Tara
Estimated strengths: 810 men vs. 1430 men
Defender Victory!
ABOUT TIME!!!!
The thread was turning to something weird.... at least we have something to talk about again.
Eston wins a meaningless battle, and BoM fails again.
Back to stagnation station.
More meaningful if either side won both battles.
Well... The Barony should have, butcoughjumpedtheguncoughMI betrayed us once againI suck at reading orders...I should have expected it... Same old, same old.
At least it makes great news for the Facebook page! :D
coughjumpedtheguncough
Nevertheless, it is good to see the Barony doing something substantial.
coughjumpedtheguncough
Something? We basically bounced off the walls and both my characters got wounded >.>
We showed how strong we are, though. As stupid as the move was, if they aren't afraid of our combined might now, they're signing their own death warrants. We're also going to likely keep Tara off the Western front in any real measure if they really want to protect Minas Leon.
Of course... that means we won't be going down to the staring match... Can't say I'm really too upset. Our refit times would be very long anyway.
I was very confused by your talking from this perspective for a few moments...
The lack of assassination attempts have eased my mind, though.
Well... The Barony should have, butMI betrayed us once againI suck at reading orders...I should have expected it... Same old, same old.
At least it makes great news for the Facebook page! :D
Yeah that bit was actually pretty fun ;D BoM really did seem in a hurry. They hit the battle field while MI was still deep in it's cups...
That just means Ithilians talk too much. The sentence should have ended with "attack!"
Yeah that bit was actually pretty fun ;D BoM really did seem in a hurry. They hit the battle field while MI was still deep in it's cups...
That means Makarians are masters of stealth. When they were moving with huge siege engines, banners and other stuff, then the nearby camped Ithilians could not notice them.
I am sure I can find a way to ramp them up again if you're missing them. ;)
That means Makarians are masters of stealth. When they were moving with huge siege engines, banners and other stuff, then the nearby camped Ithilians could not notice them.
It was confused for normal viking noise pollution. Don't get me started on the smell ;)
Masters of stealth. We're so "obvious" that you can't be absolutely sure where we are... The smell can be detected from a full region away, making it hard to pinpoint exactly where the Horde is.
A part of me doesn't want to credit Vikings with being covertly overt. Raziel still carries a grudge.
So does the entire Barony... When I thought it was your fault for not joining us, not a single soul had any sympathy for MI... Even after I corrected it and said it was my fault, they all just found more creative ways to pin it on MI. :P
Such as? How'd they still pin it on MI if you told them that you read the orders wrong?
Such as? How'd they still pin it on MI if you told them that you read the orders wrong?
Those are country secrets! :P
Mostly saying MI was just being too slow/soft/not Viking.
Being not viking is how we won the Viking/MI wars :p.
You know, quite honestly, I have no idea how the whole thing ended. I remember going out every week to attack Mansbridge, etc. and then suddenly, one week, we were allies and marching south. As such, I also have no idea who actually won. The borders stayed the same, if I remember.
(snip)
Objection! We never wanted York! We just wanted to loot York!
Public Execution (5 minutes ago)
Messengers bring news of a public execution in Cagil earlier today.
Zaknafien, a noble of Eston, had been banned from Cagilan Empire as a traitor on 2012-10-16. When he was later imprisoned, the judge of Cagilan Empire decided to make him pay for his treason.
Background info on this family.
[protest options]
Objection! We never wanted York! We just wanted to loot York!
Right, sorry. That was Norland not the Barony I guess. After Norland was destroyed then I think it was Eston who took some of them in that wanted to make a glorious new Norland in York.
You mean after Tara said that because they wanted the 8 or 10 active nobles they provided, followed by Carelia.
On which Note, Mick The Slasher has returned to the North and he was one of the last norlanders...
Hi everyone...... i was just passing by and decide to put this here. ::)
Battle in Cantril (2 days, 8 hours ago)
Barony of Makar, Eston vs. Cagilan Empire, Talerium
Estimated strengths: 1330 men vs. 1670 men
Attacker Victory!
Now if you excuse me i will be behind that wall over there..just for precaution.
Peace!
The Northern Alliance is like a Big Nut cracking and trembling under the pressure of the CE alliance.
The Northern Alliance is like a Big Nut cracking and trembling under the pressure of the CE alliance.
Nope, pretty sure that's just Sordnaz getting fat in his northern palace and sitting on the rest of the Northern Alliance
That was one hell of a battle, 45K CS vs 38K CS!It can but you have to be logged on Atamara.
Don't know if it can be viewed: http://www.battlemaster.org/ShowScribeNote.php?ID=894051&Hash=f092f741c0859eb2
Note1:Mrh? The attacking cavalry charged first round. 9 of the attacking cav units got a charge. 7 of them got wiped out that round, and the other two heavily mauled.
What did these Special forces? did they had some "Delete Cavalry Charge" Button?
Note2:
No to bash and face palm here but.....bad settings for Attackers...
I'm sorry that you lost to such an incompetent tactician. :'(
Because the victory is owed to so much to the *brilliant* line settings and has zero to do with, you know, having more men and combat strength.
Because the victory is owed to so much to the *brilliant* line settings and has zero to do with, you know, having more men and combat strength.
More excuses?
I'm sorry that you picked a fight with a bigger kid. :'(
I think you need to look up the word excuse, because you keep misusing it.
It has been years since i saw such a Huge battle!
It can but you have to be logged on Atamara.
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Note1:
What did these Special forces do? did they have some "Delete Cavalry Charge" Button?
Note2:
No to bash and face palm here but.....bad settings for Attackers...
I was expecting Minas Leon to fail
Reading outrageously insulting "peace offers" from Eston nobles. Listening to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNR2EpS0jw
Feels appropriate.
Reading outrageously insulting "peace offers" from Eston nobles. Listening to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNR2EpS0jw
Feels appropriate.
What outrageous peace offers? You mean like "Hey, what are you terms of surrender for us?" three times with no response? Outrageous!
What outrageous peace offers? You mean like "Hey, what are you terms of surrender for us?" three times with no response? Outrageous!... I'm not going to spoil it for you. It's more fun if you found out in-game. :)
My take on this whole thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q45E2n15PQ
Man, how 'bout them battles?!
My take on this whole thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q45E2n15PQ
That battle was huge.
140 nobles involved? Pretty sweet.
Reading the YouTube comments for that song gave me several diseases, none of which are pleasant.
YouTube comments were dumb?
Go on. Tell me more.
On the plus side the Suville-Carelian conflict is providing some arguing between CE and Tara as Tara supports Carelia, while CE supports Suville.
YouTube comments were dumb?
Go on. Tell me more.
Well, one person mentioned something about how the Turks conquered Constantinople (I am unsure what this has to do with the song, but I admit to being unfamiliar with the band) which made several other people comment about how the Turks didn't really conquer it, it was the European mercenaries the Turks had hired. Then people started calling each other names, and then I felt ill and was diagnosed with the aforementioned diseases.
A 2K CS advantage for the attackers and they get blown away by the defenders in round one. Let's see about round two! (If the CE is ready for another ass whipping).what was the CS of each side?
I have to do all my trash talking here since I got wounded. :(
what was the CS of each side?
Someone just stabbed Cyrilos, and presumably claimed the gigantic bounty.
Congrats, whoever you are (I'm guessing the Rieleston infil– Elroy Anderbliss methinks?)
Can't trust the Anderbliss family. Treacherous people they are.
Funny, I thought I heard the exact same words in Sint, but you'd have to replace "Anderbliss" with "Chénier". :P
CE/Tara/Talerium pushed on to Anost. Wonder what Eston will do.
Huge Battle Fought (2 hours, 45 minutes ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Anost:
Barony of Makar, Darka, Eston vs. Cagilan Empire, Strombran, Talerium
Estimated strengths: 3860 men vs. 2130 men
The Black Hussars (Eston), sponsored by Axim Decimus, Duke of Belegrond, Margrave of Belegrond, were led into battle by Marshal Thiam Cuernalis.
The Army of Thorns (Eston), sponsored by Athena Leather, Royal Justiciar of Eston, Duchess of Barad Lacirith, Margravine of Barad Lacirith, were led into battle by Marshal Stannis Verlox.
The Est Sularus oth Mithas (Cagilan Empire), sponsored by Milan Prestongreen, Ambassador of Cagilan Empire, Duke of Cagil, Margrave of Cagil, were led into battle by Marshal Charles Elegant.
The Calis Lions (Cagilan Empire), sponsored by Salvador Zond, Ambassador of Cagilan Empire, Duke of Calis, Margrave of Calis, were led into battle by Marshal Enri Kinsey.
The Fyrd of Ered Luin (Cagilan Empire), sponsored by Salvador Zond, Ambassador of Cagilan Empire, Duke of Calis, Margrave of Calis, were led into battle by Vice-Marshal Berlas of Burgundy.
The Pax Cagila (Cagilan Empire), sponsored by Milan Prestongreen, Ambassador of Cagilan Empire, Duke of Cagil, Margrave of Cagil, were led into battle by Marshal Mizuhiro Ishida.
The Eaglin Eagles (Cagilan Empire), sponsored by Archymond Paxwax, Duke of Eaglin, Margrave of Eaglin, were led into battle by Marshal Virgo Blue Star.
The Lightning Griffins (Cagilan Empire), sponsored by Archymond Paxwax, Duke of Eaglin, Margrave of Eaglin, were led into battle by Marshal Archymond Paxwax.
The Northern Guard (Darka), sponsored by Sebastian O'Riley, Duke of Siver, Margrave of Siver, were led into battle by Marshal Qaratai Borjigin.
The Royal Army of Darka (Darka), sponsored by Lasse Vasata, Ambassador of Darka, Duke of Azzal, Margrave of Azzal, Priest of Darkanism, were led into battle by Vice-Marshal Raud Crownguard.
The Makarian Horde (Barony of Makar), sponsored by Ender Neill, Duke of Makar, Margrave of Makar, were led into battle by Marshal Maduin Eirikr.
The Strombran Stormguard (Strombran), sponsored by Cadelius Strika, Duke of Strombran, Margrave of Strombran, were led into battle by Vice-Marshal Raphael Francios.
Kostaja Kosunen Cosula, King of Darka is spotted wielding the Whispering Staff of Battle.
Kostaja Kosunen Cosula, King of Darka is spotted wearing the Dragon-Scale Jacket of Rantire.
Aknar Frendrin, Knight of Lakota is spotted wearing the Tempus' Chain Mail of Lakota.
Archymond Paxwax, Duke of Eaglin, Margrave of Eaglin is spotted wearing the Cursed Flute.
Kostaja Kosunen Cosula, King of Darka is spotted reading from the Yast's Book of Necromancy.
Godfrid Janssen, Count of Tellwood was captured by Blyzaard Plaraveen's unit.
Margret Simpson, Dame of Amdor was captured by Yova Bremen's unit.
Ferleve de Hauteville, Dame of Xutltec was captured by Luthor Forbes's unit.
Hector McGahee, Knight of Mnt. Sinclair was captured by Gregory Gray's unit.
Beck Mozzoni, Dame of Wistir was captured by Enri Kinsey's unit.
Gwaine Wader, Knight of Rantire was captured by Jason Elegant's unit.
Justin Allard, Knight of Melias was captured by Crimson Strika's unit.
Sir Kende Indirik, General of Darka, Knight of Massillion was captured by Sheeana Aeterdust's unit.
Schaeffer Blackwood, Knight of Saler was captured by Josh spartan's unit.
Blade Murequa, Knight of Barad Lacirith was captured by Berlas of Burgundy's unit.
Oswald Outridge, Knight of Tolhuar was captured by Albatross of the Silverwinds's unit.
Cymore Maxwell, Banker of Cagilan Empire, Knight of Calis was captured by Livia De La Coeur's unit.
Landro Darlor Lawrence, Knight of Saradic was captured by Enri Kinsey's unit.
Defender Victory!
Wow that battle looks exciting, do those happen often on Atamara? I'm wondering if I should migrate my Beluatera character there.
Eston/Rieleston (whichever one is the small mountainous realm) looks good. Their geography is unique, their realm small and their enemies many... just the way I like it. I may emigrate there in a week or so. If I do I'll bring one of those monster summoning scrolls with me - and hopefully get to use it!
Unrelated: The current map of Atamara really makes Rieleston's name obvious. (Emphasis added, necessary or not.)
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/63734_586368801379208_569306856_n.jpg)
Other than comedic effect, why is Eston's label all the way over there?
Other than comedic effect, why is Eston's label all the way over there?
It is a huge mistake to look realm borders. People do always forget real influence. When I look at the map it doesn't look at the same at all. We have managed to get rid off those who had different kind of views.
It just clicked, Rieleston is a play on words Real Eston... :-[
Trust must be earned. Sometimes even allies will stab you but I have chosen to keep up my promises even to them who try to harm us.( Tara )
You keep your promises like Darth Vader honors his deals.
Whoa. Sounds like someone has trouble separating IC from OOC. :)
And you seriously believe and trust those southeners? Or Coria? You dont have get rid off many of those who had diffrent kind of views, you have just forced them to say "aye aye sir!".
-Jaune
As far as I'm aware, Coria has always kept its promises.
Like staying away from the war?
Like agreeing to attack Tara? (Ok, this was not never agreed to do, cause you backed off when you had to actually do what you say).
Anyway, what i meant was that Coria is sneaky and twists words and papers. I guess i already mentioned somewhere that written agreements are the !@#$. If you cant trust without name on the paper, you really dont trust.
Like staying away from the war? Like agreeing to attack Tara? (Ok, this was not never agreed to do, cause you backed off when you had to actually do what you say).
Anyway, what i meant was that Coria is sneaky and twists words and papers. I guess i already mentioned somewhere that written agreements are the !@#$. If you cant trust without name on the paper, you really dont trust.
the South seems to have been all about peace since I sent Ambassador Asleon down. I originally sent him down to figure out if we'd have to go to war soon and which side we should actually support.)
I'm just that good... magic fingers lads. Interesting though that I basically got the power to influence Coria's entire stance of the south, or at least for a large part.
On a more related note, Coria has grown much since it's creation. However as far as I can tell we have always kept our word. Also my char was unaware that we even made plans to attack Tara, believe I just came to Coria around then and lacked any form of influence...?
Way to destroy months and months of IC work with one OOC post...lol.
Well, first of all, it's OOC... I have some faith that people on the forums respect that. Second of all, that plan is kaput anyway. At this point in time, if the same idea were to be proposed, it'd be Coria, Darka and BoM as the three major powers. Eston would've been the centerpoint, but they're not doing so well. I'd say the plan got destroyed IC in about an eighth of the time we spent working on it.
Man, maybe I'm just sour grapes... but Eston sure got left out to dry in this whole thing... We desperately needed Darka and Coria to be successful, and both just sat by and watched it all happen. Failure on my part, I guess. :-\
And yes, our General and Most Influential Duke (same player, two characters) up and quit the game... had been playing since '04.
What do you mean "we?"
I'm pretty sure you're taking the flak on this one bud. ;D
After that, we get to reassess who we want to fight, if anyone. (I kind of fubar'd the only other front we'd have considered fighting on... Even if he isn't responsible, the South seems to have been all about peace since I sent Ambassador Asleon down. I originally sent him down to figure out if we'd have to go to war soon and which side we should actually support.)If you would have mentioned the possibility of an alliance there would definitely have been war. I can't say that Carelia's Queen is the reason we have peace because its actually not, but she did make the executive decision to go for peace when we could have continued the war even still be the victim, just it would have been the victim that destroyed its attacker. When I did the peace process I tried for peace enough so that Suville could not say we didn't try for peace and that it was all our fault for the war continuing but I hoped for war to continue as it was all in Carelia's favor, plus way more fun. I even advised against choosing peace at the last step where my queen got to choose for peace or war. Lastly, Carelia will be going to war soon, though who with I am not 100% on but we need to go to war and I plan to make it happen especially with it being easy to, we just will not be pursuing the war with Suville sadly.
Alliance with who, though? We're already allied with Suville.Thats right... Well in that case did you really expect Carelia to pursue war with Suville gaining another ally? Then again with Tara helping us I believe you would be kinda irrelevant as we would just make sure the Tarans disabled you from helping by always having atleast one Taran with us.
Thats right... Well in that case did you really expect Carelia to pursue war with Suville gaining another ally? Then again with Tara helping us I believe you would be kinda irrelevant as we would just make sure the Tarans disabled you from helping by always having atleast one Taran with us.
Whoa. Sounds like someone has trouble separating IC from OOC. :)
Coria never agreed to attack Tara as you've said. You can twist words however you like, but what I have said is true. Coria has always stood by its agreements. The problem is that the North for too long has viewed Coria simply as a minor puppet which either they can manipulate or attack so that in your view CE can't manipulate us. I would think though that after Coria has successfully won two wars now against the north that we'd have earned some respect.
I'll leave the specifics of "we" unsaid, but there are possibilities... We, meaning the rulers of Coria and the North... We, meaning those in Coria who knew about it... You get the idea. :P
It's cool with me, I'll take all the OOC flak for it and hope I can continue to hold my faith in people keeping OOC and IC separate. Call it an experiment.
Laszlo actually grew to like Coria once Saeculo was out of the picture. That said, I will tell you that you still won't get respect because the enduring image in most people's minds ought to be that Coria was saved by the Taran army. Incidentally, that also does nothing to disabuse people of the notion that Coria remains a client state of the CE bloc.
I know you like to emphasize Corian independence, but honestly I doubt you will get much respect for that assertion until you do more to separate yourselves from CE and Tara. It's easy to win wars when you've got the island's twin hegemons backing you up, and it's hard to believe anything you have to say about how independent Coria is when everything you do paints a picture of a Coria that is still wedded to that support. You talk a big game about the many ways in which you're prepared not to toe the Cagilan line, but very rarely do those words translate into actions IG. Walk the walk and things might change.
Actually that decision would have depended mostly on Asleon's recommendations on who was 'right' in your conflict and who wished to continue war.Carelia is still at war with Mina's Ithil so we might pointlessly go fight them or we aid Tara in fighting.
I'm curious though you intend to go to war again, but not Suville. There are only 2 options left really:
1] Attack the central alliance (unless you get Tara's help that's gonna be a death sentence)
2] You can join in on the assaults on Eston/Darka, but I'm not sure if that little bit of extra aid at this point will do anything than possibly slightly speed up the process.
Although you could always continue the Redspann way, go and march to BoM! After all, you do occupy some of their former lands.
If Coria goes against CE, they also end up going the way of Falasan.
Carelia is still at war with Mina's Ithil so we might pointlessly go fight them or we aid Tara in fighting.
Precisely what I want to avoid.I had thought they had a few more regions so we will probablyy just aid Tara but no war is bad for Carelia as all our nobles are dying of boredom already.
Please tell me the Minas Ithil thing is a joke. There's nothing left.
They have York and Mansbridge, that's it. Coria wouldn't let you through, though. We still have a treaty for another month and a half to prevent passage through us to hit MI or BoM. Unless, you know, you want to fight Coria for passage. :P
I'll be very interested to see if anyone takes advantage of that treaty's expiration.
Speaking MI, what is ML up to these days, other than taking York after Coria-Eston treaty expires? And we haven't heard much from Rielston, Caergoth and Strombran.
ML is taking over Mansbridge at the moment. York will be next unless MI agrees to some sort of surrender to ML (which seems unlikely).If MI surrendered would you give them anything or would they be stuck with just York?
If MI surrendered would you give them anything or would they be stuck with just York?
Not only has Strombran been there for weeks but we are practically always there as our army rotates and carries enough cash to stay in the field for weeks. Unless the army looses a bad battle we are able to be there for quite some time.
Well I'm in MI, but the current offer is just to keep York. There are some other conditions but I'm not sure they are relevant considering there doesn't seem to be much chance of King Sidd agreeing to it. Something like "I'd rather die first"*.
(*not exact quote)
Well I'm in MI, but the current offer is just to keep York. There are some other conditions but I'm not sure they are relevant considering there doesn't seem to be much chance of King Sidd agreeing to it. Something like "I'd rather die first"*.I would say the same thing with that offer.
(*not exact quote)
Hehe, maybe the offer was meant to be rejected? ;)I take it, it was considering I believe you are the player of Raoul
Yeah, with Eston's surrender I'll be interested to see what happens to BoM and Darka.
Seeing as CE and company do not seem to want give any terms for peace I suppose it'll end up being death to all.
Meh, it won't be too much of a war. If the Empire brings the same forces to Darka that they brought to Eston, they'll roll over us. They have managed to keep 35-40K CS in a big blob as they walk across Eston.
Seeing as CE and company do not seem to want give any terms for peace I suppose it'll end up being death to all.
The only chance we have is if Talerium and Tara stay out of it. At that point, it would be CE against Darka. We may be able to hold out against that for quite a while, if Talerium holds to the border treaty. That would make things interesting.
Any chance we could get an Invasion, just as a catalyst? (Perhaps not as harsh as Beluaterra's Invasions, but something powerful enough to break up the situation.) :P
Only victim of this war? :D
Well, Darka and BoM have not lost any land, but you are now overlooking... Carelia, Hammarsett, Minas Ithil...
-Jaune
Hammarsett was a completely different war that went on at the same time. Different casus belli, different primary participants (though many of the allies were the same.)
Minas Ithil was a completely different war as well, and primarily fought as a 1v1 civil war between Minas Ithil and Minas Leon (although Tara aided Minas Leon in the first couple weeks)
Carelia was the same war, but very much earlier. They were also the original aggressors. (even if they did have good casus belli)
This, right here, is why we lost. That you would think of these as 'separate' wars is amazing to me.
You lost because the North chose to make them separate wars.
I consider them separate wars because I play in Coria. Coria HAS to view them as separate wars due to the treaties that we are bound by, and by our current and past diplomacy. Coria's surrender to Eston ended Coria's participating in the main war. Coria's subsequent treaty + border agreement bound Coria to not fight Eston or for Coria to join with its allies in fighting the war through Eston lands.
For all intents and purposes Coria has not been a participant in the "main" war since that date. Hammarsett however, chose to have Coria rejoin the war effort. But, since Coria was bound by treaty not to participate, they instead fought a separate war and conflict against Hammarsett with Hammarsett's primary ally being Minas Ithil.
If the North wanted to win, they would have not allowed Hammarsett to breach the agreement that kept Coria out of the conflict. Instead, Coria rejoin the conflict, destroyed a major northern alliance ally, and cornered Minas Ithil. (which quickly collapsed into civil war).
While yes they were tied together, the conflicts begun between different participants and were separated by different casus belli and intents. Just because the final alliances were the same does not mean they are the same war. (This is why Coria is not a participating member in the discussions for Eston's surrender terms to CE.)
One: Minas Ithil only joined the war BECAUSE we went back to war with Coria. No war with Coria, no Minas Ithil.
Two: At the time, Saeculo was obviously looking to get Coria back into the war surreptitiously in such a way that Coria wouldn't be at direct risk. As evidence consider his laughably ham-fisted attempt to send an army south to "visit relatives" on the Carelian border.
I never regarded the wars as separate, and neither I imagine did most of the northern allies. Our total lack of progress on one front is what suggested the idea of opening a second in hopes of making it into a war of movement again.
THIS is the problem. This is the reason that Hammarsett had such terrible casus belli, and why Coria had to exact huge revenge on them for the action. You forced a war that you had no real reason to fight. Coria can't allow actions to stand when the reason for war given is essentially "We want to refound a realm in your lands that would see your eventual destruction."
If you want to rejoin the war with Coria, you should have just neutralized the treaty between Estona nd Coria and attacked us straight on. Actually you should have neutralized the war with Darka and Talerium as well and just opened up a huge front.
Two, I am willing to bet that all the players in Hammarsett, Tara, Coria and MI (at a minimum) had a hell of a lot more fun this way than if we'd aimed for and achieved an endless stalemate over Cantril.
Detente is bad for the game.
You can argue with my strategic evaluation of the situation if you want to, but that's what drove Hammarsett's actions. As for you, if you're so convinced that Hammarsett's choices were a disaster, explain to me what the better course would have been, taking into consideration that:
1. Eston would never cancel it's treaty with Coria.
2. Darka would never agree to attack Talerium.
Okay, assuming that I have the power in game to control the actions of the Northern Alliance this is what I'd do under your given restrictions.
1. Don't attack Coria, and let Coria's agreement with Eston force the war to be a standoff at Cantril.
2. Negotiate peace with CE on neutral terms. (I believe that this would have been possible since it was just a standoff for real life months.)
3. Bide your time, and watch the diplomacy of the south. Nudge diplomacy into a war between Suville, Strombran, Caergoth, and Carelia. (with possible participation from CE and/or Tara)
4. The above conflict would have placed Tara and CE on opposing sides. Use that to drive a wedge in the CE, Tara alliance.
5. Ally the north with Coria (which was very possible under former conditions, a lot more difficult now)
6. Along with Coria attack south with the unified north while CE and Tara are split. However, don't attack both of them. Focus on war, and make it clear your intentions in the war. Not just "reduce the power of CE, or destroy CE". Attack either CE or Tara, while all of their allies are distracted. Tara would be easier, but CE would be just as susceptible.
7. Try and break the federation permanently by offering the other side an alliance in return for very favorable terms in whatever area of the map that they want.
That is how you beat CE. However, it all falls apart because I made the simple assumption I could unify the north's opinion. But if the north wanted to win, that's what they do. You don't just attack "CE's powerbase" with nameless intentions because that will provoke a huge backlash.
Perhaps just claim a single duchy (and state that at the beginning of the war), or something. That way they know what happens if they surrender. You can only afford to not make terms if you're like CE and can enforce whatever you want.
Cogent and well reasoned. It's a good plan, though it could fall apart in any number of places even if you did manage to achieve unity in the north.
Unfortunately, the necessary political preconditions for this plan were not all in place at the time I made my decision. It's hard for me to remember exactly what was going on down south at the time, but Carelia was still alive and kicking (albeit definitely losing), Strombran had not yet been founded, and Caergoth was still in one piece if I recall correctly. Even if you advance the timeline in the south somewhat, I'm certain that most of the pieces you're playing with were not available.
Basically, it's easy to see all the parts necessary to your plan now. Back then, they mostly didn't exist. By the time they emerged from the fog of war, the die was already cast.
Eston's refusal to attack/betray Coria may however save/aid them in the future. Eston is not dead (and won't be) so only time will tell. But they have shown to be honourable and to honour their deals. They may very well outlive Darka and BoM.
Not going to lie though... if Darka and BoM get out of this unscathed I'll pretty pissed, especially Darka. Not because I want harm to Darka, but just because it wouldn't seem right for Eston to be the only victim of this war.
Of course. We wanted to fight, but stick to our treaties (unlike the North).Which was a violation of your treaty. Coria was treaty-bound to NOT interfere in the war. Sending troops south under such a flimsy excuse (visiting family or some such) was a violation of your treaty. However yous pin it, that act broke the treaty.
So we looked south for conflict. Makes sense to me, and Carelia was pretty much out of the war at that point.
If you want to rejoin the war with Coria, you should have just neutralized the treaty between Estona nd Coria and attacked us straight on. Actually you should have neutralized the war with Darka and Talerium as well and just opened up a huge front.Both of which were impossible. Neither Eston nor Coria were going to to break their treaty. Neither were Darka or Talerium.
Darka on the other hand was kneecapped by Kostaja's stubbornness. I think I read somewhere that even his own councilors argued for attacking Talerium at one point, but he wouldn't accept their arguments, let alone those of his fellow rulers. For his part, Kerwin severely compromised his own ability to convince Darka to do any such thing when he made that separate peace with Coria. With that precedent set, what incentive did Darka have to stick their necks out?That was me. Kende put forth plans to crush Talerium, and start sacking CE cities. That was back when Darka was routinely marching with 25K, and we could have hit 35-40K if we *really* stretched it. We could have timed it with a massiv Eston army, and perhaps help from Hammarpeeps and BoM, too. We could have smashed through Talerium and done massive damage to CE, with good timing.
I agree with this. But as I said above, character action and player fun shouldn't necessarily always be linked. Although in some cases its important. If I favored player fun purely over IC RP'ed actions, then I would have had Coria attack CE long ago. However, I have to play my character, not as a player.
Eston's refusal to attack/betray Coria may however save/aid them in the future. Eston is not dead (and won't be) so only time will tell. But they have shown to be honourable and to honour their deals. They may very well outlive Darka and BoM.
This is also an important point.
Eston secured for themselves a strong potential ally in Coria. (Who is now stronger than Eston itself). Coria is also within the CE alliance, so while they aren't directly part of the terms discussion, they can advocate on behalf of Eston.
There was a time when KK was on the verge of abdicating, to let someone else do it. Various people in Darka convinced him to keep the throne, and uphold the treaties. That may help us now, having kept to all of our agreements as closely as we could. We shall see.
However, much of the political situations needed to make such a plan successful were there. They were just hidden under the surface. You had to be a part of the CE alliance in order to see where the cracks were. My character knew about them, and made plans to use them if Coria was ever threatened.
King Kerwin was made aware of the cracks by my character which allowed him to trust Coria more. That's one of the reasons Coria and Eston grew closer together.
As to your point about preconditions. All of the preconditions that were *necessary* were available at the time when Merlin contacted the leaders of the Northern Alliance. Not all of the preconditions that would have been *wanted* were available, but the necessary ones were. That of course fell through. But hey, I'm playing a happy duke of a strong city.
Which was a violation of your treaty. Coria was treaty-bound to NOT interfere in the war. Sending troops south under such a flimsy excuse (visiting family or some such) was a violation of your treaty. However yous pin it, that act broke the treaty.
I honestly think this is one reason why we lose players over the years. if you're putting character action over player fun, then you aren't playing this as a game, which is what it is first and foremost.
Which made them operationally useless and irrelevant to my decision-making.
And since he never shared or (to my knowledge) acted on that information, see above.
Again, by the time Merlin made his offer, Hammarsett and Coria were already back at war. You have criticized Hammarsett's actions on the basis of events that happened after the fact, and you are Monday morning quarterbacking with the benefit of information we didn't have at the time. Nothing you have said points to a better course for Hammarsett or the Northern Alliance as a whole at the time given the information that we had and given the self-imposed restraints on Eston and Darka.
We were treaty bound not to engage in the north. We were not treaty bound in any manner for the south. We were very careful about that.
We broke no treaty by engaging Carelia. Plus, our engagement with Carelia would have been because they sent troops north to fight us shortly beforehand.
This game is at least in part a roleplaying game. We're supposed to roleplay our characters. We're not playing a metagame where we do everything possible to win. If it was, then the game would be completely different and the dynamics would be completely different. Realms couldn't even operate as a team because everyone would want to be ruler. However, if you're roleplaying a character you're able to actually have a fully functioning realm.
Yes this is a game, but its not a pure strategy game. As a ruler or council member in a realm it is your responsibility as provided by the game to ensure (ability for) players to have fun. However, not every character is bound by that.
I think you misunderstood me. I never said anything about winning, or that I equated that with fun. I was speaking of fun in general, so please don't put words into my mouth that I never said. I know it is a roleplaying game, not a pure strategy game.Exactly, characters with high influence in the realm, often the ruler but not always, are choosing what their character would do over what's fun for everybody which just kills. Role play is great but when your making choices that affect long term fun, role play should be a lower priority than fun regardless of your position.
The only thing relevant to your decision making to know what was the best decision was that you were in a perpetual stalemate with little viable way of breaking it. You should have made peace even without access to any of the information I had. I was also referencing a different issue and a different time when Merlin made his offer. Of your three options, you could either make peace, fight a stalemate, or attack Coria. You chose to attack Coria which is fine, but since no one wants to fight a stalemate, I'd have chosen to make peace. Even assuming I didn't know any of this information.
The northern war was lost once the southern war collapsed.
If you were within your rights, then why the excuses? Coria sure went to some lengths to try to pass off what they were doing as anything but engaging Carelia... The excuse Saeculo came up with was epic for its complete absurdity.
Your analysis is accurate as far as it goes, but the problem is that it has the benefit of hindsight and it seems to me that your memory about the sequence of events at the time is hazy at best, though I suppose I could be the one who's wrong on the particulars.
At the time in question the stalemate didn't appear to be perpetual, and Carelia hadn't yet collapsed. Half the rationale for what was done was to get Tara off the western front so that the pressure on the Empire from that side could be increased and possibly help Carelia catch its breath. Obviously that's not how it worked out, but at the time we still thought there was a chance that we could turn things around and break the stalemate in our favor with Carelia's help. As for Merlin's offer, I don't recall ever hearing anything about it, so again, irrelevant to Hammarsett's decision making.
Exactly, characters with high influence in the realm, often the ruler but not always, are choosing what their character would do over what's fun for everybody which just kills. Role play is great but when your making choices that affect long term fun, role play should be a lower priority than fun regardless of your position.
Exactly, characters with high influence in the realm, often the ruler but not always, are choosing what their character would do over what's fun for everybody which just kills. Role play is great but when your making choices that affect long term fun, role play should be a lower priority than fun regardless of your position.
Of course if something is fun for everybody, then you should do it. However, I think you underestimate one big aspect: consistent character roleplay is a big part of the fun in BM.
When I see a character take an action that is contrary to everything they've shown before for obviously OOC consideration, then I'm not having fun, whether this leads to a war or not.
Of course if something is fun for everybody, then you should do it. However, I think you underestimate one big aspect: consistent character roleplay is a big part of the fun in BM.
When I see a character take an action that is contrary to everything they've shown before for obviously OOC consideration, then I'm not having fun, whether this leads to a war or not.
I don't see much merit in this sort of user-driven storytelling. The game itself imposes needless constraints on what's possible, and the myriad of authors keeps everything discordant and simplistic. I play BM for the game aspects first and foremost, the roleplay aspect is just dressing.
Kwanstein, perhaps you can further describe what you would prefer?
I'd love to see this go on the wiki so the history isn't lost.
A novel is the highest mode of conveying a story, as the author of a novel has unlimited control over what he/she creates, as well as huge amounts of potential in terms of creativity and complexity. Movies and games both have their niches; both allow for audio and visuals, and games provide a means of interacting with the audience. However they are both inferior modes, as they are constrained in many ways, the most important of which is by the resources required to utilize them.
A novel is the highest mode of conveying a story, as the author of a novel has unlimited control over what he/she creates, as well as huge amounts of potential in terms of creativity and complexity. Movies and games both have their niches; both allow for audio and visuals, and games provide a means of interacting with the audience. However they are both inferior modes, as they are constrained in many ways, the most important of which is by the resources required to utilize them.
There IS a reason he eventually lost his position and was replaced.
Yes. And that was because I, as a player, went travelling around South-East Asia for four months and paused my characters. To suggest Saeculo 'lost his position and was replaced' for trying to justify an excursion down South is ludicris at best. If I hadn't gone travelling, Saeculo would probably still be Consul right now.
I don't really recall the incident, but I believe the reasoning behind it is that you couldn't disprove it. No-one called Saeculo a liar at the time. If they had, he would have challanged them to a duel. Nobility didn't just accuse nobility of lying very lightly.
As a side note, I'm pretty sure this 'excuse' was talked about within the Senate, or at least with Merlin.
Besides, it was Hammarsett that broke their treaty with us, not the other way around. They did so by using our lands to attack Tara, we helped Tara and it was THIS that Hammarsett used as it's reasoning for War, not because Coria was marching South.
As an OOC note, I truly tried to play Saeculo as an honest and noble character, but the politics and bias was just unbelievable, and by the end Saeculo was getting fed up of trying for nothing.
I'm not going to do it now, but this tomorrow or this weekend I will post here a sizable summary of Kerwin's decisions during the war, why he made them, and why I as a player made them.
This is interesting, and it seems a lot of people have some animosity towards Kerwin for one reason or another. It is truly interesting both from a historical aspect of the game and also for me personally as a player because I honestly only ever made decisions that I thought would be best for Eston, the North, and our cause (for what it's worth).
I'm not going to do it now, but this tomorrow or this weekend I will post here a sizable summary of Kerwin's decisions during the war, why he made them, and why I as a player made them.
This is interesting, and it seems a lot of people have some animosity towards Kerwin for one reason or another. It is truly interesting both from a historical aspect of the game and also for me personally as a player because I honestly only ever made decisions that I thought would be best for Eston, the North, and our cause (for what it's worth).
I'm not going to do it now, but this tomorrow or this weekend I will post here a sizable summary of Kerwin's decisions during the war, why he made them, and why I as a player made them.
Yes. And that was because I, as a player, went travelling around South-East Asia for four months and paused my characters. To suggest Saeculo 'lost his position and was replaced' for trying to justify an excursion down South is ludicris at best. If I hadn't gone travelling, Saeculo would probably still be Consul right now.
I don't really recall the incident, but I believe the reasoning behind it is that you couldn't disprove it. No-one called Saeculo a liar at the time. If they had, he would have challanged them to a duel. Nobility didn't just accuse nobility of lying very lightly.
As a side note, I'm pretty sure this 'excuse' was talked about within the Senate, or at least with Merlin.
Besides, it was Hammarsett that broke their treaty with us, not the other way around. They did so by using our lands to attack Tara, we helped Tara and it was THIS that Hammarsett used as it's reasoning for War, not because Coria was marching South.
As an OOC note, I truly tried to play Saeculo as an honest and noble character, but the politics and bias was just unbelievable, and by the end Saeculo was getting fed up of trying for nothing.
The excuse was that you were sending an army south to "visit relatives". That is verbatim the language used (though of course you didn't call it an army).
As for Hammarsett, your shenanigans factored into the decision, even if I didn't cite it as the reason we declared war. In the end I didn't much care about our casus belli - honestly I don't even remember exactly what reason I gave. I had my reasons for going to war that were good enough for me, and that's all that mattered. My allies were behind me, so I didn't really feel that I had to justify myself to everyone else.
I can summarize:
1. Kerwin asks the Council which option they want.
2. Council yells at him and rejects all ideas
3. Council tells him to attack allies
4. Kerwin calms them all down
5. Council votes on the issue
6. Kerwin proceeds with the agreed upon idea
7. Council yells at him for doing what they asked him to do.
This pretty much is what happened over the last 2.5 years.
I'd love to see this go on the wiki so the history isn't lost.
Indeed, and after you attacked Coria twice by surprise, without previously declaring War, then we knew we could never trust Hammarsett ever again. At that point, Saeculo wouldn't rest until you were destroyed, which is a shame, as Coria helped to found and support Hammarsett in the early days, and you had a cool culture on our borders. As a player I didn't want it to happen, but obviously as a character I was delighted to see the downfall of Hammarsett.
8. The dissenters secedeSmall correction:
Small correction:
8. The dissenters, who demanded Kerwin attack Darka, secede, and among their reasons for succession was that Kerwin entertained the idea of attacking Darka.
I think this would honestly be interesting if every war participant posted something similar at the very end of this war.
That sounds very interesting.
The Great Atamaran War (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/The_Great_Atamaran_War)
There's a bare bones wiki page set-up by Capet in 2011. I fleshed it out a little with bits I knew about the south and Carelia's involvement in the early part of the war, but I've been paused on Atamara for about 18 months now. It's kind of hazy and not at all up-to-date.
It would be cool if others could contribute or start updating realm histories. There's hardly anything on the wiki about what's been going on in Atamara these last few years. A real shame considering the whole war has generated so much interest here on the forum!
I mean the North is running red is it not?
Colors are hard to see in the Barony with all the white.
Honestly, I think the upper half of Atamara is just waiting for Eston's terms to be given so there's at least some idea of how the map will have changed.
You're assuming that with Eston's surrender this war ends?He thinks Eston's terms will affect how the rest of the war goes.
He thinks Eston's terms will affect how the rest of the war goes.
Indeed, the Cagilans haven't even had the decency to acknowledge Eston's surrender. Hell, we should honestly be still trying to fight considering that, on a practical level, our surrender seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
Indeed, the Cagilans haven't even had the decency to acknowledge Eston's surrender. Hell, we should honestly be still trying to fight considering that, on a practical level, our surrender seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
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Yeah, would be nice to hear/see what sort of terms Eston will get. Since CE & Co. has not said a thing about what they want from this war.
All Darka can do now is to wait and prepare. We have had few new nobles and hopefully more to come. But i still think it wont be too long war incase CE & Co sent all they can... it would be horrible army and cant be stopped no matter how much gold Darka has unless they divide it too much :P
Just for looking military graphs... CE 64k, Suville 54+K, Tara 31K, Coria 32K, Strombran 12K, Caergoth 21K....
These are the realms we are pretty sure are looking for knocking our doors, ofcourse Rielston, Minas Leon or even Talerium and Carelia can join...
Lets first mentioned realms can pull out even half of their strenght against us... it would mean over 100K CS army :P
Forcefully split Darka back into North and South? Would certainly help mix up the dynamics of that bullet proof corner region again.
How about we take every region north of the CE/Tara border and drive them rogue. Every single one except for the cities. Now, Make one duke per city each leader of their own realm. Let the land grab begin. Once a region is taken, you gain claim to that region.
It'll work itself out in a few weeks.
So.. basically Cagilan instituted Hunger Games?
Well kind of. I forgot the part where, each duchy has to send 1 member of its nobility to join CE as a knight each year in order to prevent war. If that knight leaves the realm another must be sent within a week or war commences.
Well kind of. I forgot the part where, each duchy has to send 1 member of its nobility to join CE as a knight each year in order to prevent war. If that knight leaves the realm another must be sent within a week or war commences.So hunger games lol
How about we take every region north of the CE/Tara border and drive them rogue. Every single one except for the cities. Now, Make one duke per city each leader of their own realm. Let the land grab begin. Once a region is taken, you gain claim to that region.
It'll work itself out in a few weeks.
How about we take every region north of the CE/Tara border and drive them rogue. Every single one except for the cities. Now, Make one duke per city each leader of their own realm. Let the land grab begin. Once a region is taken, you gain claim to that region.
It'll work itself out in a few weeks.
Can I just say that I love this idea?I have to admit it sounds pretty awesome.
The Cagilan armies at least have been ordered to withdraw. Be patient.
As to the rest, I'm sure both Darka and BoM are waiting with bated breath to see what terms are offered to Eston. Doubtless both of those realms will be hoping to divine what sort of terms they can come to expect should they too decide to sue for peace.
How about we take every region north of the CE/Tara border and drive them rogue. Every single one except for the cities. Now, Make one duke per city each leader of their own realm. Let the land grab begin. Once a region is taken, you gain claim to that region.
It'll work itself out in a few weeks.
Well kind of. I forgot the part where, each duchy has to send 1 member of its nobility to join CE as a knight each year in order to prevent war. If that knight leaves the realm another must be sent within a week or war commences.
You are assuming that Eston, Darka, and BoM will all get the same treatment. (Hint: They won't.)
Muwahahahahahahahahahahahaha.Too bad your realm doesn't stand much of a chance, IMO.
Been quite a while since the last Chénier who styled himself a King.
Too bad your realm doesn't stand much of a chance, IMO.
Yea, I know. But at least I can say I ruled on AT as well, now. And that I ruled a dying realm. 'cause heck, even if I pull some Chénier-esque magic, I doubt anyone can get to York before Minas Leon returns.
Raziel II maintained a stockpile of his intercontinental ballistic boulders in York. And syrup. Bombard the Leonians and poison their water supply.
Intercontinental ballistic... syrup?
One does not simply march to Mt. Sinclair.
How about we take every region north of the CE/Tara border and drive them rogue. Every single one except for the cities. Now, Make one duke per city each leader of their own realm. Let the land grab begin. Once a region is taken, you gain claim to that region.
It'll work itself out in a few weeks.
Silly Darka. Our two hobbit agents have already infiltrated your treasury. They will be dropping your precious gold into the maw of Mt. Sinclair right... about... now...
Us? We're the rescue party. The League of the Eagle.
;D ;D ;D
Us? We're the rescue party. The League of the Eagle.
;D ;D ;D
I find it interesting that this war was the League of the Eagle vs. the Order of the Raven.
Order of the Raven was supposed to be the coordination guild for the Northerners. We had a hell of a time getting the right people to join it. Not enough Marshals/Vice Marshals, and often enough even generals. It was routinely used as a flame conduit for MI/Hammarsett/Barony. KK even quit for a while because the infighting was so bad.
Eh, you can blame Hammarsett for the infighting. For whatever reason we had a couple of really confrontational characters who ended up as Marshals or Generals.
Your whole realm was confrontational.
Order of the Raven was supposed to be the coordination guild for the Northerners. We had a hell of a time getting the right people to join it. Not enough Marshals/Vice Marshals, and often enough even generals. It was routinely used as a flame conduit for MI/Hammarsett/Barony. KK even quit for a while because the infighting was so bad.
Silly Darka. Our two hobbit agents have already infiltrated your treasury. They will be dropping your precious gold into the maw of Mt. Sinclair right... about... now...
Us? We're the rescue party. The League of the Eagle.
;D ;D ;D
I. Preamble
I.a. WHEREAS the Kingdom of Eston has allowed one of its infiltrators to brutally attack the leaders of Coria, Tara, Talerium, and the Cagilan Empire, and then let the perpetrator escape Atamara without punishment.
I.b. WHEREAS King Kerwin of Eston has previously asked for the Duchy of Eaglin during peace negotiations.
I.c. WHEREAS King Kerwin has offered to the Cagilan Empire the UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER of his realm.
I.d. THEREFORE the Cagilan Empire, on behalf of her allies in this conflict (Talerium, Tara, and Strombran) and herself, offers the following terms of peace to Eston.
II. Exiles
II.a. The Cagilan Empire and her allies hold Royal Justiciar Athena to be primarily responsible for catching and punishing the infiltrator who assaulted our leaders. This is a task that she had promised she would carry out, but she had failed to do so.
II.b. The Cagilan Empire, on behalf of her allies Talerium and Tara, demands that Royal Justiciar Athena immediately resign her positions and titles in Eston, and exile herself from Atamara, never to return. This clause of the treaty must be fulfilled as soon as possible after the signing of the treaty.
II.c. The Cagilan Empire, on behalf of her allies Talerium and Tara, demands that King Kerwin, after fulfilling the terms in section III of this treaty, immediately resign his positions and titles in Eston, and exile himself from Atamara, never to return. The remaining nobles of Eston may then elect a new Ruler of their choosing, but they are still bound by the terms of this treaty.
II.d. This exile will NOT extend to other members of their families.
III. Territory
III.a. Eston will formally, publicly, and permanently release the Duchy of Hawthorne as an independent realm. The new realm will consist of the regions of Hawthorne, Agnilar, Loratil, Slantrax, Saradic, and Melias. Its nobles may choose a realm name other than “Hawthorne” if they wish, provided that it is not profane. Its nobles may choose their Ruler and government system as they wish, but they are still bound by the terms of this treaty.
III.b. Eston will formally, publicly, and permanently cede the region of Nazamroth to Talerium.
III.c. Eston will formally, publicly, and permanently cede the region of Anost to Coria.
III.d. Eston will formally, publicly, and permanently cede to Rieleston the following regions: Ashmoor, Beleground, and Elost.
III.e. Eston will formally, publicly, and permanently cede the region of Nazia to the Cagilan Empire.
III.f. The Cagilan Empire recognizes Eston's continuing claims to the following regions: Dondor, Amdor, Meneriel, and Barad Lacirith.
III.g. Eston has twelve (12) days after the signing of the treaty to fulfill the clauses in this section of the treaty, one day for each region that Eston is being forced to cede.
IV. Diplomacy
IV.a. Eston will break her diplomatic ties with Darka and the Barony of Makar. Eston may not ally with Darka or the Barony of Makar for a period of at least six (6) months.
IV.b. Hawthorne may not ally with Darka or the Barony of Makar for a period of at least six (6) months.
IV.c. Eston and Hawthorne will NOT give military passage rights to Darka or the Barony of Makar, for a period of at least six (6) months.
IV.d. Eston and Hawthorne will adopt a diplomatic status of peace or better with Talerium, Tara, Strombran, Coria, Rieleston, and the Cagilan Empire, for a period of at least nine (9) months.
IV.e. Eston and Hawthorne will give full passage rights to Talerium, Tara, Strombran, Coria, Rieleston, and the Cagilan Empire, for a period of at least nine (9) months.
IV.f. Eston and Hawthorne will NOT be made into vassals or protectorates. After a period of nine (9) months, they are free to change their diplomatic policies as they see fit.
IV.g. If Eston or Hawthorne is attacked without provocation within the next six (6) months, the Cagilan Empire will offer her protection to them, provided that the Cagilan Empire is not already busy aiding an ally.
V. War Reparations
V.a. The Cagilan Empire and her allies do not demand monetary compensation from Eston.
Suville, welcome to The Dark(a) side!
-Jaune
Breaking news: Suville's expeditionary force is ordered to attack defending forces in Anost. In a hilarious and deadly surprise, the troops defending the area turn out to be Tarans instead of Darkans. Chaos ensues with Suville gallantly attacking the heavily defended Taran/Cagilan position. The defending troops annihilate the vastly inferior force from Suville. The lone Darkan unit to take the field dies of laughter.
League of the Eagle and Allied Casualties: 229 Taran and Cagilan soldiers + Suville's entire army of 378 soldiers
Northern Alliance Casualties: 25 Darkans who probably died happy.
*facepalm*
Man, is something weird in battle code?
We had a surprise diplomatastrophe in Dwiligh too recently.
I still have to discover whether murderous will attack even allies and federation...
It's actually perfectly straigh-forward. Tara already had a unit in Anost. Therefore they held the field (defender).
The Suville units were set to aggressive and were the attackers. Suville and Tara are at neutral status. Sit back and wait...
Aggressive only triggers a battle when neutral and you are the attacker afaik. I still have to discover whether murderous will attack even allies and federation...
I don't think the aggressive settings were necessary, because of the Darkan unit.
The Tarans control the field as you described. Then, the battle is triggered by the presence of the Darkan unit. Because of the CE/Tara alliance, CE joins the defenders.
The Suville units are marked as "freshly arrived", with at least one unit on aggressive, bringing them into the battle. Since they are neutral with everyone involved in the battle, will prefer the attacker side. This puts Suville and Darka on the same side of the field.
If memory serves (because checking the combat script is a nightmare), had Suville had a single unit in the region that wasn't freshly arrived they would have been on the side of CE/Tara. Without the aggressive settings, I believe they would have sat out of the battle.
If they were allied, then the only way they could end up on the opposite side of the battle would be if they were on Murderous. The battle report would show that.
This made sense to me until you said that Suville and CE were allied. Coria and Strombran sat out the battle because they had friends on both sides. Did the federation trump the alliance with Suville for CE...?
I think this is likely. The Federation trumps all. What doesn't make sense is why Suville would then participate at all.
Well they ARE allied. So its a bug.Were they on murderous? I haven't seen the report.
Anaris has posted the details before. It's not a secret.
My (speculative) take:+1, I highly doubt this is a bug.
Suville troops attacked Tara because Suville had attack orders, it was a neutral region that Tara was defending, and Suville and Tara had neutral relations.
CE only ended up in the middle of it because of the federation. If it was only an alliance, I think they would have sat it out like Coria and Strombran did. Basically the battle code read it as Tara was attacked, looked at all other relationships and decided Strombran and Coria had equal relations with both parties, then looked at Ce and decided it had stronger relations with Tara than Suville and would side with Suville.
I don't think murderous matters here because Suville didn't attack CE or any other allied party. They attacked the Tarans with whom they are neutral. Then CE came to the Tarans' defense. It seems logical enough to me. If it's a bug, it's not a glaring one. To me, this could conceivably be working as designed.
That is a fine analysis, except that CE begin defending first:
Lion's Leap tried to evade foreign troops, but were spotted.
The troops from Tara set up defenses because they control the battlefield.
The confederates from Cagilan Empire join the defense.
The Darka troops attack because they are at war with Tara.
The Crimson Blades have attack orders.
Sailor's Wrath have attack orders.
Glassinn Gladiators have attack orders.
Warriors Of Glassinn have attack orders.
The Suville units join in to support their realm-mates.
The Coria forces stay neutral because they have friends on both sides.
The Strombran forces stay neutral because they have friends on both sides.
It seems like someone wants to avoid this kind of battles in the future
An alliance was forged (1 day, 2 hours ago)
The realms of Tara and Coria have joined into an alliance.
That first battle made it impossible to repair the walls :/
-Jaune
Does that mean the walls are permanently gone?
I am amazed at how much of the Empire's army got wiped out. Between the two battle in Wistir, two rounds of post-battle hunting, and the chasing battle in Slantrax, barely a handful of the southerner's 40K army is getting home alive. I definitely had not hoped for anything near that good.
Wait, Geronus, you have two CE characters? You... >:(
Yesterday:
Sabotage! (1 day, 2 hours ago)
message to everyone in Wistir
Enri Kinsey's guards, in Wistir, have captured Skiarxon Guldan, an infiltrator working for Darka while he was sneaking around the camp of Sir Enri Kinsey, General of Cagilan Empire, Knight of Calis, Marshal of Calis Lions conspicuously, with a poisoned dagger under his cloak.
Today:
Sir Enri Kinsey, General of Cagilan Empire, Knight of Calis, Marshal of Calis Lions has been wounded by Ashtongue Deathsworn (His brothers unit XD)
This is so funny..i don't even.... XD
Wounds Healing (11 hours, 32 minutes ago)
The healers say your condition is improving.
In fact, they think you're well enough to be allowed to resume limited duties.
You are recovering from your wounds, and able to act and send messages, though you can't do as much as usual in a day.
Pfft. Darkans can't even wound an old man right. Enri's healed up already.
Pfft. Darkans can't even wound an old man right. Enri's healed up already.
1. How many times were you and your marshals last time?
2. Your tears might have magic healing properties.
I don't really cry over BM. ^^ XD ^^ XD XD XD
"We assume of others what we know to be true of ourselves."
MiCE :)(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/old-lol.gif)
-Jaune
First time in my history ,i'm in shame. I'm not part of CE anymore I belong to MiCE.
53 attackers (1630 Inf, 77 MI, 630 Arch, 684 Cav, 234 SF)
40 defenders (1659 Inf, 311 MI, 300 Arch, 255 Cav, 87 SF)
Total combat strengths: 38128 vs. 32922
Defender Victory!
Dammit!
Costly few battles those were....
Darka lost few precious nobles one of them was general permanently and a LOT got prisoned and wounded, including whole royal family. King seriously wounded, prince wounded and princess captured by CE.
-Jaune
Too bad this isn't real middle ages. That would have ended the war right there. If you capture a member of the royal family, that's game over.
Depends on how much the King cares... if it's someone who's been a thorn in his side for a while, he might just decide to let them be offed. <.<
Bah! I am dead
Bah! I am dead, and cannot give Fury the IG props he deserves, so I shall do it here. Nice RP, dude! (A little retcon, but cool nonetheless.)Feel like posting the RP?
I tried going to the Politics tab to change allegiance, but it just keeps telling me I'm dead. How did the other dead people do it? ;)Well, one of Merlin's many, many talents is taxidermy.
Well, one of Merlin's many, many talents is taxidermy.
Both at the same time. :o :o :o
I tried going to the Politics tab to change allegiance, but it just keeps telling me I'm dead. How did the other dead people do it? ;)
Well, if we join Coria through new characters... you wont get the gold reserves we have :P
-jaune
I dont believe you, you may have biggest income/noble, but i bet Darka still beats you on gold/noble :)
-jaune
Well gold won't win any wars at this time and joining with Coria won't do that either. Coria will be crippled a lot faster than Darka that is a fact.
Well gold won't win any wars at this time and joining with Coria won't do that either. Coria will be crippled a lot faster than Darka that is a fact.
All Darka needs for winning this war(winning as in CE will just be banging its head against a wall without getting any harm done to Darka) is one or two CE allies to stop bother coming up north. That or even a single decent sized realm joining in on the defense.
All it would take is to distract Tara, and the war against Darka would come to a screeching halt. CE/Coria can't do it on their own.
Heck, from what I've seen, if you take Tara out of the equation Darka might actually have a fair chance at pushing back.
Heck, from what I've seen, if you take Tara out of the equation Darka might actually have a fair chance at pushing back.
Right now, CE is just chugging along. I'm sure we could whip up something special for Darka, with some motivation.
Not really. In your dreams sure.
Ehhhhh, I wouldn't bet on that... Remember how Darka was only putting 20kish CS in the field for a while until you guys got really motivated? I imagine CE could pull off a similar surge if it had a compelling reason to.
Granted, we did so on favorable terms,
Ehhhhh, I wouldn't bet on that... Remember how Darka was only putting 20kish CS in the field for a while until you guys got really motivated? I imagine CE could pull off a similar surge if it had a compelling reason to.
Bah it is frustrating to repeat the same things over and over again. It's not a matter of motivation, we have more nobles and we have the homeland army aiding to the defense as well, the Homeland army doesn't march outside Darka.
Even now we have many players joining so you will soon see even more CS.Still it won't be a matter of motivation, more players= more cs.Darka has tons of gold to give away for ppl to recruit as much as they can, they simply have to ask for it.
I'd argue it's semantics. After all, a lot of those new players only showed up because of the situation you're in, and I would guess that some players who've been there the whole time are more interested and engaged now that fighting means defending Darka against superior forces instead of marching for a week at a time just to get to the front line.There is definitely some truth in that. Where we used to have trouble getting more than half the Royal Army to march to war, participation in that last set of battles in Malor was absolutely incredible. If there were 5 warrior class Darkans not in Malor, I would have been shocked.
In any case CE has just as many nobles, so if they were as motivated as you are (which is not currently the case), they could probably bring similar numbers to bear. CE isn't exactly poor itself, after all. But, now they're the ones marching for a week just to get to Darka, and looting's not that interesting. The battles are nice, but there's one, what, every three weeks? I'm already bored with it, personally.That's Darka's strategy: TO bore the MiCE into giving up. :D
Ehhhhh, I wouldn't bet on that... Remember how Darka was only putting 20kish CS in the field for a while until you guys got really motivated? I imagine CE could pull off a similar surge if it had a compelling reason to.
Not really. In your dreams sure.
I'd argue it's semantics. After all, a lot of those new players only showed up because of the situation you're in, and I would guess that some players who've been there the whole time are more interested and engaged now that fighting means defending Darka against superior forces instead of marching for a week at a time just to get to the front line. No wonder you lost players before. Few things are more boring than a distant campaign that never gets anywhere.
Sure there is a point to that :) But it also a fact that when Darka fought the war traveling for a week she lost a lot of nobles :D and i do hope that this will be the case for Darka's enemies right now as well.
Sure there is a point to that :) But it also a fact that when Darka fought the war traveling for a week she lost a lot of nobles :D and i do hope that this will be the case for Darka's enemies right now as well.
With the current lack of players this game is suffering, you would want anyone, even an enemy, to lose people?Lose characters? Sure, just not have the player leave the game over one realm.
Lose characters? Sure, just not have the player leave the game over one realm.
With the current lack of players this game is suffering, you would want anyone, even an enemy, to lose people?
CE is persistent, no doubt about that.
Most nobles are playing on autopilot though. We go here, we go there, we get stomped by Darka, back to refit, now back to Darka. Log in once a day to set the next destination point. Glorious!
If you guys in Darka want more fun, split into 4-5 realms based on your duchies and duke it out. CE will leave you alone. Just look to your east, how much fun do Barony, ML, RE and Heorot have at the moment!
fixed that for you.
SkiarxonTroll trolls. Its kinda self explanatory. And not a single fact in sight whenever he makes a post.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fact
"Knowledge or information based on real occurrences"
Can we not be quite so bitter and hostile toward each other in this?
That tends to happen when one side is blaming the other for stagnating a continent, and the other side is delusional.
You forgot the butthurt one too.
You do realize I'm arguing on your side...
If you guys in Darka want more fun, split into 4-5 realms based on your duchies and duke it out. CE will leave you alone. Just look to your east, how much fun do Barony, ML, RE and Heorot have at the moment!
i'd be mad too if some guy was gloating because his realm is winning after calling in just about every other major realm in for a gangbang. Not really a big accomplishment there, pretty much the same tactic used by those who "win servers" on AstroEmpires.
i'd be mad too if some guy was gloating because his realm is winning after calling in just about every other major realm in for a gangbang. Not really a big accomplishment there, pretty much the same tactic used by those who "win servers" on AstroEmpires.
Omg and lol on that. You have to remember who started this and Darka did not start this alone! Now it is time to pay the bills . it is so simple .
This is Atamara, if you do not want to play with the big boys, just go home and stop whining.
Public Execution (1 day, 4 hours ago)
Messengers bring news of a public execution in Brackhead earlier today.
Elroy, a noble of Rieleston, had been banned from Heorot as a traitor on 2013-05-01. When he was later imprisoned, the judge of Heorot decided to make him pay for his treason.
Background info on this family.
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Haven't been so excited to see an execution since.... ever.
you are as big of an offender at mixing OOC and IC as those you like to badmouth in your posts, and who conveniently (for you) don't post on these forums.
How?Your character doesn't like them due to them being a pita, and you don't like them for their extreme OOC worship of the Eston king that died in RL that leads them to being extremely annoying IG, ipso facto, you must be mixing IC and OOC. (I am not being serious just guessing at his logic.)
Haven't been so excited to see an execution since.... ever.
Cyrilos was pumped too: being a priest in a region with a skilled infil who hates you is an unsafe way to live.
Kerwin has been stabbed by Elroy like... at least 3 times since he went to the Barony/Heorot. Was getting annoying.Try put a big gold bounty on Elroy head as a big get-me notice to bounty hunters? But I like his name 8)
But I like his name 8)(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljuzjgwwxR1qa6qrz.jpg)
Try put a big gold bounty on Elroy head as a big get-me notice to bounty hunters? But I like his name 8)
ElroyThat is him alright ;D
Elroy was named after a chinchilla my wife and I had long before kids...and he was named after the one and only Elroy Jetson.Whoa, there is the background story on him indeed 8)
I mean, he's dead now. So. Yeah.Sad, why you kill him :'(
Sad, why you kill him :'(
So now son of Elroy took up his father sword isn't it?
Sad, why you kill him
So now son of Elroy took up his father sword isn't it?
Because Ender got tired of everyone around him being stabbed. The turnaround on realm council positions was getting ridiculous. That and infiltrators have never been safe in a Viking dungeon, not as long as Ender has been around to do whatever he wants and refuse prisoner treaties.
How does someone get away with that for so long? I've got an Infil with 80/80 skill and he can't even travel through enemy regions without getting arrested, let alone stabbing people.
Targets are probably old people without great sword skill.
It was a full fledged stabbing spree from the Talerium infils as well.What do you expect? This is, after all, Atamara we're talking about. Talerium is the acknowledged home of everything infiltrator-ish.
What do you expect? This is, after all, Atamara we're talking about. Talerium is the acknowledged home of everything infiltrator-ish.
Targets are probably old people without great sword skill.
I got stabbed about three times with high sword skill (old though). To be fair, I did catch him either 2/3 or 3/3 times... He just got lucky and escaped twice. Not so lucky the third time...
Stanislav spends 90% of his time wounded. :(
Stanislav spends 90% of his time wounded. :(
Note to self: don't be in the same region as Stanislav.
Stanislav and Kerwin are Atamara's rejects. They need to start a new realm together.
How in the world is Kerwin ever going to start a new realm?
Stanislav spends 90% of his time wounded. :(
Ladies and Gentlemen.... Kerwin has left the building.
:D :DBig difference between sheep and puppets.
"No more puppets"
:D :D
There is a lot puppets around me thinks :P
-Jaune
:(
No more puppets...
I hate you.
So there is rumours that Coria will form new realm called Freakpot and yes it is the same freak in charge who wanted to create an new Empire. He even sent Infils against own people,against Royal. I really can't understand why others could let this kind of clown rule over them. So Darka did get an puppet after all.
Well someone else didn't bother to kick the butt of his infil that went against a Royal (KK), ordered or not he deserved death at best.
In game i took my hat off to Ottar for recognizing that, although i would expect him to demand that said infil got beheaded by his own realm.
So there is rumours that Coria will form new realm called Freakpot and yes it is the same freak in charge who wanted to create an new Empire. He even sent Infils against own people,against Royal. I really can't understand why others could let this kind of clown rule over them. So Darka did get an puppet after all.
Honestly, I cannot understand how anyone can still call Merlin a puppet of anyone. Have you not paid any attention to any politics besides what you're fed in the CE Senate?
Are you seriously asking about CE's war plans on the forums? ???
Are you seriously asking about CE's war plans on the forums? ???
Are you seriously asking about CE's war plans on the forums? ???
To be fair...that would imply that CE is actually fighting a war instead of spending a few days every two weeks walking around looking for a battle in or around Darkan lands...
That damn treaty with Talerium cuts both ways. That thing is one of the worst things to ever happen to Atamara >:(
O' rly?That's why I said it cuts both ways. First one way for most of the war, and now the other.
That counts for Darka as well you know. If there was no treaty with Talerium this war would be different.And wouldn't be camping outside Darka and you can bet on it.
The reason I said it was bad is because it appears that it will be the one thing that keeps Darka and the Empire from really coming to grips with each other, which is detrimental to all of Atamara. It effectively mandates a stalemate between them, makes Talerium effectively immortal, and is a roadblock to any sort of meaningful change on that entire third of the map.
You did just point out though why Talerium loves it so much.
That's why I said it cuts both ways. First one way for most of the war, and now the other.
The reason I said it was bad is because it appears that it will be the one thing that keeps Darka and the Empire from really coming to grips with each other, which is detrimental to all of Atamara. It effectively mandates a stalemate between them, makes Talerium effectively immortal, and is a roadblock to any sort of meaningful change on that entire third of the map.
Are you seriously asking about CE's war plans on the forums? ???
To me apart all the "old blocks honor code whatever" it seems like a perfect survival tactic for Talerium itself. CE won't hurt then since it kept Darka outside it's lands and Darka won't attack them either of course, because if we had such intention we would have done it in the beggining of the war. So it is simple and smart.
Darka spent the whole war traveling regions and regions and lost. Maybe not it's CE's turn :P At least *so far* CE had strong allies.We can all be thankful that changed :P I guess Silnaria did make a difference - for now-.
At least *so far* CE had strong allies.We can all be thankful that changed :P I guess Silnaria did make a difference - for now-.
The Empire has made an utter and complete hash out of that whole situation.
Yes, that was clearly a serious question.
If CE really can be blocked out from Darka, it could give Darka some room to help out BoM and mayby even trying to improve relations with CE friendly realms at north... or spank em some wisdon on their head to abandon such friends.
Both, ML and Rielston have threatened aggression to Darka during this war and Darka have been only able to nod cause there is no chanhce to get anymore enemies, but if CE is really not able to get on us, this could change. But gotta see how serious those 2 realms were... also time is running regards to Hawthorne treaty, so Lyoness and Eston are son free to have relations they wish.
-Jaune
And that is the fundamental philosophical difference between CE and Darka:
CE: Diplomacy first. Warfare is for when diplomacy fails.
Darka: Spank'em until they agree with you.
Err, sure, you guys ask for peace now.
Times when CE tried to sue for peace with Darka:
- At the beginning of the war, when CE was invaded.
- When CE defeated Carelia.
- When CE defeated Hammarsett.
- When CE defeated Minas Ithil.
- When Rieleston seceded from Eston.
All Darka had to do was leave the war, and we would have left you alone. But no, KKKC had his mercenary's "honor", which apparently did not help him whip CE, for some strange reason.
Times when Darka tried to sue for peace with CE:
- When Darka was invaded.
We arrived at the current situation because CE's leadership dealt in facts. KKKC dealt in wishful fantasies. And if that keeps up, not even Merlin can save you.
By the way, Merlin is blocking CE and Tara's moves now because he does not wish to see CE-Tara achieve hegemony over Atamara, and also I think there is a bit of pity for the poor Darkans involved. :'( Poor, poor Darkans. All the gold in the world, can't win a battle to save their hides. :'(
So keep up the personal attacks. This bot doesn't care. ;D
Dammit!
Costly few battles those were....
Darka lost few precious nobles one of them was general permanently and a LOT got prisoned and wounded, including whole royal family. King seriously wounded, prince wounded and princess captured by CE.
-Jaune
Not sure, this has lasted a pretty long time, now was first time that battles occured on Darkan lands.
But gotta admit, we got beaten this time :)
-KK
Don't mind Skiarxon. He's just mad that his hero got killed. 8)
Explode.
I would so suggest CE vs Darka with Cantril open for both ways so some mouths can shut it in here. Seriously. I challenge you.
Your "mighty" CE army was a mere 17k. That shows you can't do !@#$ alone since you backed away.
In other news this bot is stupid and should be deleted. You know. Like a former MiCE PM.
Still sore about your dead hero? You know, there is a cream for that. ;)
Uh oh. I've angered LaVagina! She can't prove me wrong, so she keeps up with the personal attacks, which actually just makes me a happy panda. ;D
There is no need to quote when the post you're responding to is right above you, by the way. :)
No... You're right. CE has never won a serious victory on Darkan soil. My bad. "No wait that one doesn't count!" I'm sure. ;)
Yep. That's what your RCs did. ;D
Oh... Poor, poor LaVagina. Blockages can cause serious health issues. You should see your gynecologist about that. :(
Alright, playtime's over. If you can't stay civil, just shut up.
Oh, sir, yes sir! ;D
GoldPanda, please do be quiet. Even the people who play in CE and Tara don't defend you, since they know you're not worth defending.
Uh oh. I've angered LaVagina! She can't prove me wrong, so she keeps up with the personal attacks, which actually just makes me a happy panda. ;D
There is no need to quote when the post you're responding to is right above you, by the way. :)
No... You're right. CE has never won a serious victory on Darkan soil. My bad. "No wait that one doesn't count!" I'm sure. ;)
Yep. That's what your RCs did. ;D
Oh... Poor, poor LaVagina. Blockages can cause serious health issues. You should see your gynecologist about that. :(
Alright, playtime's over. If you can't stay civil, just shut up.
omg...are you serious or just trolling ?
I believe it is called counter-trolling. And doing alright at that. And yes, Darka's attitude does get irritating after a while. As I'm sure you are inclined to find CE does perhaps.
By the way, Merlin is blocking CE and Tara's moves now because he does not wish to see CE-Tara achieve hegemony over Atamara, and also I think there is a bit of pity for the poor Darkans involved.
That's not even remotely what's going on in Silnaria. You are making false assumptions based on what Silverfire has said here on the forums. What's going on in Silnaria is that Merlin tried desperately to get the Empire and the rest of the League to recognize Silnaria as Coria's successor, which it legitimately is assuming you respected the sovereignty of the Corian Senate in the first place. Had you done so, Merlin would have re-signed the alliances, opened up passage rights, and we'd be right back to smashing Darka in the face just like we were before.
Instead you refused to recognize Silnaria and you've completely failed to reign in Tara. As a result, your war effort against Darka just went to !@#$, but it's sure as hell not Merlin's fault. Your characters let your dislike of the man take precedence over your desire to defeat Darka. If screwing Merlin is a bigger priority for you than defeating Darka then you're doing just fine. If not, then you've screwed up this situation royally.
Can you guys stop sitting here speculating about the god damn game and play it?
This is a game of medieval nobles who do the things medieval nobles do. Sitting here and saying man I really wanna break up X alliance or destroy Keplerstan doesn't help the game. That's metagaming and doesn't hold true to the original spirit of a comprehensive RPG because you're fabricating character motivations from your personal desires. Sitting here and grumplaining about what people are or aren't doing isn't going to help anything as well. If your character is such a scaredy cat he won't do anything exciting kill him and make a more ambitious character. There's so many !@#$%^&s in this game it honestly astounds me what you people are like in person sometimes.
Things are never as simple as you want them to be when other people are involved. Crying "man but you guys should've done this because this and this and this and gosh you guys are so stupid and are ruining the game" only makes you a massive !@#$%^&.
Play the god damn game instead of complaining at Panda that CE should've done this or that or gosh you guys are ruining everything and why don't you like the things I like. And if you can't, stop playing the game and consider picking up another hobby. Why do you think people are leaving? Do they really want to play this game with you? It's really testing my patience because besides the strategy/risk players half of you want to play TeaPartyMaster, some of you want to play Le Epic Adventure Game of Thrones XXDDD and very few people want to play a god damn internally consistent RPG about medieval nobles in a low-fantasy setting.
You're dealing with other people here guys. Real people. With jobs and stuff they do and families and friends and feelings and thoughts. If they don't like the things you like, deal with it.
Can you guys stop sitting here speculating about the god damn game and play it?
This is a game of medieval nobles who do the things medieval nobles do. Sitting here and saying man I really wanna break up X alliance or destroy Keplerstan doesn't help the game. That's metagaming and doesn't hold true to the original spirit of a comprehensive RPG because you're fabricating character motivations from your personal desires. Sitting here and grumplaining about what people are or aren't doing isn't going to help anything as well. If your character is such a scaredy cat he won't do anything exciting kill him and make a more ambitious character. There's so many !@#$%^&s in this game it honestly astounds me what you people are like in person sometimes.
Things are never as simple as you want them to be when other people are involved. Crying "man but you guys should've done this because this and this and this and gosh you guys are so stupid and are ruining the game" only makes you a massive !@#$%^&.
Play the god damn game instead of complaining at Panda that CE should've done this or that or gosh you guys are ruining everything and why don't you like the things I like. And if you can't, stop playing the game and consider picking up another hobby. Why do you think people are leaving? Do they really want to play this game with you? It's really testing my patience because besides the strategy/risk players half of you want to play TeaPartyMaster, some of you want to play Le Epic Adventure Game of Thrones XXDDD and very few people want to play a god damn internally consistent RPG about medieval nobles in a low-fantasy setting.
You're dealing with other people here guys. Real people. With jobs and stuff they do and families and friends and feelings and thoughts. If they don't like the things you like, deal with it.
Can you guys stop sitting here speculating about the god damn game and play it?
This is a game of medieval nobles who do the things medieval nobles do. Sitting here and saying man I really wanna break up X alliance or destroy Keplerstan doesn't help the game. That's metagaming and doesn't hold true to the original spirit of a comprehensive RPG because you're fabricating character motivations from your personal desires. Sitting here and grumplaining about what people are or aren't doing isn't going to help anything as well. If your character is such a scaredy cat he won't do anything exciting kill him and make a more ambitious character. There's so many !@#$%^&s in this game it honestly astounds me what you people are like in person sometimes.
Things are never as simple as you want them to be when other people are involved. Crying "man but you guys should've done this because this and this and this and gosh you guys are so stupid and are ruining the game" only makes you a massive !@#$%^&.
Play the god damn game instead of complaining at Panda that CE should've done this or that or gosh you guys are ruining everything and why don't you like the things I like. And if you can't, stop playing the game and consider picking up another hobby. Why do you think people are leaving? Do they really want to play this game with you? It's really testing my patience because besides the strategy/risk players half of you want to play TeaPartyMaster, some of you want to play Le Epic Adventure Game of Thrones XXDDD and very few people want to play a god damn internally consistent RPG about medieval nobles in a low-fantasy setting.
You're dealing with other people here guys. Real people. With jobs and stuff they do and families and friends and feelings and thoughts. If they don't like the things you like, deal with it.
Sabotage! (1 hour, 13 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Cagilan Empire
Celduin Cuivienen's guards, in Saradic, have captured Skiarxon Guldan, an infiltrator working for Darka while he was sneaking around the camp of Celduin Cuivienen, Knight of Garnagi, Vice-Marshal of Pax Cagila conspicuously, with a poisoned dagger under his cloak.
Keep things civil, people, or I'll lock this thread.
Am I the only one amused that no one has posted since being asked to keep things civil?
So is the current war still the same war?
So many other things are going about I am not sure save that CE is fighting Darka single handedly now and Tara is taking over Silnaria regions. Apparently every realm not at war will hold consecutive tournament.
I'd say no, though I'm now blissfully unaware of the exact situation on Atamara. Did Tara actually declare war?
Not yet, and Merlin is also stepping down and planning to pause. I think Silnaria is pretty much dead in the water. It will either get attacked, break apart, or go back to being a compliant little puppet of the League again.
Not yet, and Merlin is also stepping down and planning to pause. I think Silnaria is pretty much dead in the water. It will either get attacked, break apart, or go back to being a compliant little puppet of the League again.
So disappointing.I feel that I must echo the quote earlier:
I was a young and optimistic King with dreams of changing Atamara, once.
Then Atamara broke me.
Not yet, and Merlin is also stepping down and planning to pause. I think Silnaria is pretty much dead in the water. It will either get attacked, break apart, or go back to being a compliant little puppet of the League again.Well he is planning to take a break from the game completely not just with Merlin but yeah. :'(
I must say, we could use more players like Merlins player, who has courage to change things... I guess i should do that some day too :D
-Jaune
I feel that I must echo the quote earlier:
If I had know this was going to happen, I would have supported the rebellion... but let's see if this situation can be salvaged.
Thanks everyone. Can't say I'm not surprised things didn't go more like I had hoped, but I was definitely optimistic about Merlin's ability to change things. Seems I didn't accomplish as much as I wanted.
In the end, I had to recognize what my priorities were though, and it all got a bit too intensive for me. When I had to start trying to work out arguments for ruler discussions in my head while on vacation, or was late to work once trying to deal with a rebellion that came out of nowhere, it was readily apparent I had things wrong.
My only note is that with great power truly does come great responsibility. So I'm giving up both.
I advise you not to delete your account. I went through this same thing, though under slightly different circumstances. I just had too much going on; I had two rulers, two Dukes, and a fifth character who was (comparatively) nobody, and I just got burned out. I am very glad I didn't delete my account however.
Pause everyone, then make an advy and log in once a week or so so that your account doesn't get auto-deleted. I bet you'll be glad you did.
Luckily I still have several years of studies, so in between the exams, I can play.