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BattleMaster => Development => Feature Requests => Topic started by: JeVondair on September 27, 2017, 12:22:46 AM

Title: Approved: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: JeVondair on September 27, 2017, 12:22:46 AM
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Title: Re: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Zakky on September 27, 2017, 12:29:33 AM
Thought you could already do this? You just know how to. [[ Something ]] will lead to 'Something' wiki page. Same for your signature. If you go for [[JeVondair Family/Someone|Name]], it should show up as Name on your link to the page in the game which will open up 'JeVondair Family/Someone' wiki page.
Title: Re: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: JeVondair on September 27, 2017, 12:31:50 AM
You can do it in messages by manually typing the wiki link each time as you demonstrated. But I am talking about the automated signature that goes with every message.
Title: Re: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Zakky on September 27, 2017, 12:52:28 AM
You can do it in messages by manually typing the wiki link each time as you demonstrated. But I am talking about the automated signature that goes with every message.

Not sure if that is the wisest idea. Every person with a hyperlink connected their family would be too troublesome I think. Also, not everyone creates a wiki family page.
Title: Re: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Wimpie on September 27, 2017, 08:33:43 AM
Not really sure I like the idea of having hyperlinks in every message you send.. I do like the idea of introducing players who don't know about wiki (or forgot) that it's there.

For the record, you can also use the [[ ]] notations in your 'Comments' section on your family page. So it's easy to link your wiki family page from there as well. (Or use the 'website' for that purpose).
Title: Re: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: JeVondair on September 27, 2017, 07:24:06 PM
Not sure if that is the wisest idea. Every person with a hyperlink connected their family would be too troublesome I think. Also, not everyone creates a wiki family page.


Certainly, so this is just an option for players to find and add value. I would hope, however, that it would eventually catch on. It would be hugely convenient, for example, that were your character to message mine for the first time, i could simply click his name to see whatever you have chosen to reveal about them on your wiki and coach my response message appropriately.


I remember being a new player and having little to know idea who i was talking to and it struck me that if my first character had grown up in a culture (in this case it was D'Hara) he would have known about people like Jonsu Himoura, Machiavel Chernier, Francis Kinsey, etc. (I did not even explore the wiki until much, MUCH, later as I was not aware of it.)
Title: Re: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Zakky on September 27, 2017, 09:57:21 PM
There are other ways to achieve the same goal. I am just saying what is convenient to you could be really annoying for others. For this case, you don't want people accidentally clicking on hyperlinks while scrolling down. Like Wimpie said, you can customize your family page or you can do exactly this on your bulletins as well.
Title: Re: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Antonine on September 28, 2017, 02:11:56 PM
So this reminds me of an idea I had a couple of weeks ago which might take care of this in a more acceptable way:

Every character should have an in game description which the player can write. Say up to 500 characters of text which shows up under Personal Information. Then underneath each message, in addition to the link to see User Details there could also be a link to see Character Details.

This would allow people to flesh out their character in game with a description or background or whatever which other characters could view in game without making it something massively obtrusive in messages. It would also add another something to the knight game so that there's more stuff to do immediately on character creation.

In terms of functionality it would just be a text box with an editor, so it should be an easy feature to implement, but it would add a bit more roleplaying depth to the game in the way that the OP is after but without being too convoluted and requiring people to create a wiki page for each character.
Title: Re: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Antonine on September 28, 2017, 02:15:48 PM
Example of how it could look in game:

Information Page

Personal Information
Your Status
Your Fame
Your Description

News and Messages
Scribe Notes
Current Referendums

Your Bans and Fines
Your Duels
Your Guilds
Your Message Groups
Your Unique Items

Military Advisor

Messages Page

Request from Chester Barrett   (20 hours, 24 minutes ago)
Message sent to all members of the Central Democratic Army (31 recipients)
I need 150 gold to pay my men for the week.
Chester Barrett
Representative of Scio

[reply to sender] | [reply to list] | [ignore] | [character details] | [userdetails] | [vulgarity]
Title: Re: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Wimpie on September 28, 2017, 02:39:47 PM
Antonine, I would suggest posting your feature as a different topic, as to not forget about the initial request JeVondair made.

Remember, it's basically Vita/Delvin who approve feature requests and they are both super busy at this period it seems. So you gotta have patience!
Title: Re: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Antonine on September 28, 2017, 02:47:19 PM
Well here we're basically talking about the same concept, my comment is just to suggest a different way it could be implemented :)
Title: Re: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Anaris on September 28, 2017, 03:30:04 PM
So this reminds me of an idea I had a couple of weeks ago which might take care of this in a more acceptable way:

Every character should have an in game description which the player can write. Say up to 500 characters of text which shows up under Personal Information. Then underneath each message, in addition to the link to see User Details there could also be a link to see Character Details.

This would allow people to flesh out their character in game with a description or background or whatever which other characters could view in game without making it something massively obtrusive in messages. It would also add another something to the knight game so that there's more stuff to do immediately on character creation.

In terms of functionality it would just be a text box with an editor, so it should be an easy feature to implement, but it would add a bit more roleplaying depth to the game in the way that the OP is after but without being too convoluted and requiring people to create a wiki page for each character.

I'm actually cautiously in favour of (versions of) both the initial proposal in this thread and this idea.
Title: Re: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: JeVondair on September 28, 2017, 05:42:30 PM
I'm actually cautiously in favour of (versions of) both the initial proposal in this thread and this idea.


+1
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Wimpie on November 04, 2017, 10:16:50 PM
What I have so far:


I've still got some little fixes to make before it can become operational. That and layout of course.


Any more suggestions perhaps, now that I'm at it?
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: JeVondair on November 06, 2017, 06:54:48 PM
I'd be very happy with this, and I'll work with the players in the realms I lead to  get the word out and get this feature used. thanks so much for your time!
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Wimpie on November 08, 2017, 10:45:56 PM
Have some screenshots for what I've done so far. Would love to get some feedback. I haven't spend much time on layout/colors/.. yet.

1. play-status page, the left column I've reworked to include picture, normal info & part of your description, with a link to 'read more' to the separate page (see 2)
https://imgur.com/a/saV2Y (https://imgur.com/a/saV2Y)

2. A separate 'Character Description' page, which will be viewable to you (so it will include an 'Edit' link) and also to others when clicking the 'Character Details' link in a message (see 3). When viewing other's description, there won't be an 'Edit' link. Links to wiki pages are able, using the same [[ ]] links as can be used ingame on various pages/messages.
https://imgur.com/a/UljVh (https://imgur.com/a/UljVh)

3. Below each message an extra link will be excluded to the character's description page: [Character details]
https://imgur.com/a/6GXwW (https://imgur.com/a/6GXwW)
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: CryptCypher on November 08, 2017, 11:40:58 PM
Very nice!
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Wimpie on November 09, 2017, 08:24:25 AM
The difficulty for the picture is:

These are the same conditions that are on the wiki.
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Nosferatus on November 09, 2017, 10:45:47 AM
great stuff, I like the character details link and the first screenshot on the character details.
The other layout for the character details is probably what other characters see right?
I'd prefer it to be in a template like the first screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/saV2Y
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Nosferatus on November 09, 2017, 10:51:14 AM
The difficulty for the picture is:

  • It needs to be a picture you took yourself
  • OR
  • It needs to be from public domain
  • OR
  • You are allowed to use it (have the rights)
These are the same conditions that are on the wiki.

Yes but in reality that doesn't happen, so many images are just taken from the web with no idea as to who has the copyright ownership.
It would take alot of effort to review all of them, but then again thats not done on the wiki either.
We could focus instead on making sure the pictures are genuine images of characters instead of swastikas, Isil execution video stills or boobs.

Some kind of generator for character pictures like the banner maker would be our best option to also get same styled pictures, but thats probably not easy to build.
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: JeVondair on November 09, 2017, 07:16:47 PM
The same warning that the wiki uses will have to be sufficient. As Nosferatus suggests, we can have the titans review each pic update at least to ensure SMA validity. They can then rate the profile the same way that region descriptions are rated. If they recognize an image as being outside of Public domain, they can flag it by saying the image may be subject to removal at the request of a copyright owner.


I also really like the idea of a generator. All we really need for that is a cache of images, divided between male and female, and a random button for players to spam through if they want. I can collect images from across the web pretty quickly, I was already thinking of the good ol Baldur's Gate portraits, but I can certainly add to that if the devs want to define a framework for me.



Would that be feasible?
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Wimpie on November 09, 2017, 10:10:16 PM
Delvin already suggested using a pool of pictures that we present as options, out of public domain pictures.

So if you got any stash of those, or know where to get good ones, it is certainly appreciated.
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: JeVondair on November 09, 2017, 11:39:53 PM
I honestly had to look up what counted as Public Domain today just to chime into this convo sooooo idk how much help I can be on that front just yet. But If I find something, I'll report in.
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: CryptCypher on November 10, 2017, 03:58:44 AM
*cough* My photographer ex-wife taught me the glory of stock photo websites. Enjoy!

http://creativecommons.org/

http://publicdomainarchive.com/free-stock-photos/

https://pixabay.com/

https://www.pexels.com/public-domain-images/

https://www.megapixl.com/

https://www.istockphoto.com/
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Nosferatus on November 10, 2017, 12:58:17 PM
do we want actual photos? or do we want pictures of drawing or paintings?
I'd definitely prefer the latter.
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Wimpie on November 11, 2017, 09:11:30 PM
Let's initially go with a light weight solution, otherwise the time to get this implemented & live will just be much bigger.

We'll go with the URL, with a simple warning to use public domain/own rights photos.

great stuff, I like the character details link and the first screenshot on the character details.
The other layout for the character details is probably what other characters see right?
I'd prefer it to be in a template like the first screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/saV2Y


Not sure I understand what you mean. The first link is actually your own private page. The second is indeed what others get to see when clicking character details for your chars. This one I'm in need of making a proper layout for.
But how do you suggest it uses a 'Template'?

For the record, I have 2 things to print on this page: the picture (I put it in this frame) and a text box with the description.

Suggestions are welcome. Layout and stuff is not my strong suit.
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: JeVondair on November 13, 2017, 08:47:58 PM
I was looking at Nosferatus' template that you quoted and I thought it looked quite nice: A charcter picture and a little blurb added to the character info already supported by the game. Were you preferring to go a different route, Wimpie?
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Wimpie on November 14, 2017, 12:53:25 PM
I was looking at Nosferatus' template that you quoted and I thought it looked quite nice: A charcter picture and a little blurb added to the character info already supported by the game. Were you preferring to go a different route, Wimpie?

Not entirely sure what you mean. The screenshot Nosferatus quoted is from me and that's what I already built on the player page.

We are now talking about the separate page I created so the entire description is read-able to everyone on the continent: https://imgur.com/a/UljVh

I'm talking about how this page could have a better layout or how to make it nicer, considering I only have 2 things to add to this page: the picture in its frame and a your description.

If it's fine like this, I can just check in this code and have it live whenever the next live-sync happens.
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: JeVondair on November 14, 2017, 01:23:27 PM
Have some screenshots for what I've done so far. Would love to get some feedback. I haven't spend much time on layout/colors/.. yet.

1. play-status page, the left column I've reworked to include picture, normal info & part of your description, with a link to 'read more' to the separate page (see 2)
https://imgur.com/a/saV2Y (https://imgur.com/a/saV2Y)

2. A separate 'Character Description' page, which will be viewable to you (so it will include an 'Edit' link) and also to others when clicking the 'Character Details' link in a message (see 3). When viewing other's description, there won't be an 'Edit' link. Links to wiki pages are able, using the same [[ ]] links as can be used ingame on various pages/messages.
https://imgur.com/a/UljVh (https://imgur.com/a/UljVh)

3. Below each message an extra link will be excluded to the character's description page: [Character details]
https://imgur.com/a/6GXwW (https://imgur.com/a/6GXwW)


My apologies, I misunderstood and went back to reread. I personally think your suggestion is a fine one and that we should go ahead with the next live sync. Once it's up, if our players find anything that would be worthwhile in updating, they can make additional feature requests after, right?


Thanks so much for putting work into this, Wimpie. It feels really cool!
Title: Re: Under Debate: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Wimpie on November 14, 2017, 02:40:33 PM

My apologies, I misunderstood and went back to reread. I personally think your suggestion is a fine one and that we should go ahead with the next live sync. Once it's up, if our players find anything that would be worthwhile in updating, they can make additional feature requests after, right?


Thanks so much for putting work into this, Wimpie. It feels really cool!

Of course they can :)

I'll check everything in once it's final.
Title: Re: Approved: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Wimpie on November 21, 2017, 09:29:32 PM
Checked in, reviewed, merged.

Live on next live-sync.
Title: Re: Approved: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: JeVondair on November 21, 2017, 09:49:02 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


GO TEAM WIMPIE!
Title: Re: Approved: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: JeVondair on December 14, 2017, 06:43:20 PM
Glad to see this implemented. Can you walk me through getting the pictures to work?
Title: Re: Approved: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Wimpie on December 15, 2017, 08:13:07 AM
Glad to see this implemented. Can you walk me through getting the pictures to work?

Stop using: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/File:Rania_Herald_of_Obeah.jpeg

Use http://wiki.battlemaster.org/images/Rania_Herald_of_Obeah.jpeg

The first one is not a picture link, the second one is.

Alternatively, you can host your pictures on sites like imgur.
Title: Re: Approved: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: JeVondair on December 15, 2017, 04:46:46 PM
Ahh cool so i can just take any image  that's hosted online and use that, skipping the wiki step entirely. nice!
Title: Re: Approved: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: JeVondair on December 15, 2017, 04:50:05 PM
omg it supports gifs..... ;D 8) ;) ::)
Title: Re: Approved: Add Wikilinks to Signatures
Post by: Wimpie on December 15, 2017, 07:56:42 PM
Ahh cool so i can just take any image  that's hosted online and use that, skipping the wiki step entirely. nice!

"..you can host your pictures on sites like imgur.."