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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: Antonine on October 10, 2017, 07:13:38 PM
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Well that battle in Mashhad was fun!
Shame my character (Alfhelm) is wounded and missing out on all the post-battle messages though :(
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Yep, just read it. We both got wounded haha ;D
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Yep, just read it. We both got wounded haha ;D
You did at least wound someone else though so kudos to you :p
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I'm missing on some brilliant post battle banter aren't I?
The Rulers started to bitch in the channel as well, so I'm at least getting something.
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Another battle in which my boi Chester the hero is unscathed! Looks like the Red Fox will be seeing more epic battles in the future!
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Good battle. Shame my character is wounded too :o
About the duel. Sound like fun if a few characters got involved. Let see, though my character cannot see at this time.
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What war are you people talking? Thought Oligarch was dead?
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What war are you people talking? Thought Oligarch was dead?
Zakky, you should come back >:(
Join Greater Xavax. Raise its Queen from her dead.
This war is actually between the North and the South alliance. Now that most realms have chosen its side.
Yes, Oligarch stay dead. No Phoenix Resurrection.
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Yes, Oligarch stay dead. No Phoenix Resurrection.
Well, you say that...
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Well, you say that...
He says so bc Selenia rejected both his and Sirion's offers "For the Honor of the Flag" to keep GX alive.
They were both slaps in the face.
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How about the third and fourth ones? Perhaps slaps, but certainly not in the face... 8)
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Technically neither Oligarch or Xavax are dead yet. Anything can happen.
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Technically neither Oligarch or Xavax are dead yet. Anything can happen.
Xavax is dead now
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Xavax is dead now
But the Lich Queen is not. Time to build a new necropolis?
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But the Lich Queen is not. Time to build a new necropolis?
Well I *might* be nursing a (new) idea
(new) bc someone else mentioned it months ago and I can't recall who or when...
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I kind of agree with JV here. I believe stepping up the ladder is one of the great appeals of BM and the ladder is pretty big for that purpose. Someone at the bottom could of course shout to someone on top "Hey, let's duel!", but he should honestly expect response somewhere along the line of "Sure, come up here where I am, I'll wait."
I've seen like 4 duel challanges, out of which 3 became duels. Personally I barely ever got to employ some of my sick burns to turn down duel challanges, and I have lots of those (burns, not challanges). :-X
Why duel when you can have infiltrator attack the target? :P
I think I need change Brock character a bit. He too good for my own taste. He should join some duel. To rest with the responsibility, let other have it ;D
Well, you say that...
He says so bc Selenia rejected both his and Sirion's offers "For the Honor of the Flag" to keep GX alive.
They were both slaps in the face.
What JeVondair say, Antonine. It is not easy to match the expectations and balance them together. Brock hate to bring the bad news. We want good news, don't we all?
Well I *might* be nursing a (new) idea
(new) bc someone else mentioned it months ago and I can't recall who or when...
Hear they going Dwilight ::)
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Alright guys time to get back on topic, or if you want I can split the topic in two and create a new one for the duel discussion. To sum, actually battles with infantry have a chance to increase your swordfighting skill, it's just very slow, and in the past at least age did affect the decline of your skill (skill has a constant decline at the moment, all skills).
Now back on topic: Vix just created a new realm and signed peace with them, so the north has an 'extra' enemy so it seems and Caligus was the first to declare war.
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Alright guys time to get back on topic, or if you want I can split the topic in two and create a new one for the duel discussion. To sum, actually battles with infantry have a chance to increase your swordfighting skill, it's just very slow, and in the past at least age did affect the decline of your skill (skill has a constant decline at the moment, all skills).
Now back on topic: Vix just created a new realm and signed peace with them, so the north has an 'extra' enemy so it seems and Caligus was the first to declare war.
Only 10 people in it though.
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Only 10 people in it though.
10 people for 4 regions. And we're expecting some immigrants imminently.
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I have the feeling that with the switch of Bescanon that the war is pretty much settled now in favor of the north.
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Yeah, pretty silly though. Perdan-Vix alliance was like Nivemus-Eponllyn or Alara-Minas Nova. Noone would even think about it being anything other than unbreakable. But Perdan turned into zombie realm after Kellan left and zombie realms are unpredictable af. Everyone can just flip the chessboard.
Sad thing that it has to end due to players being bored/inactive rather than due to natural events and flow of the conflict.
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Yup but these events change the war from being fun to being over in a heartbeat. My hope for EC is honestly fading entirely atm. I'm about 50/50 between pausing Garas or continuing. Fortunately he's wounded so I have sime thinking time.
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Yup but these events change the war from being fun to being over in a heartbeat. My hope for EC is honestly fading entirely atm. I'm about 50/50 between pausing Garas or continuing. Fortunately he's wounded so I have sime thinking time.
Do you realize that only six months ago Greater Xavax was well and alive, Caligus was still a major empire, and Vix Tiramora was half of her size? Even then we were outnumbered by both nobles and regions. Look at where we are today. I don't understand how you can let one region and a few nobles switching allegiance effect your enjoyment of the game. There is no guaranteed victor from this current war from either side. BattleMaster is a game of more than just gold, nobles, military strength, and land. You need to pay attention to many other aspects of the game in order to be victorious in your battles, wars, and endeavors.
By recruiting more fresh players in Highmarch and Vix they will want to stay around because of characters like you who make the game more rich in content and unique personality. I encourage you to stay around for a while and don't look at the statistics of both sides. This game certainly does not always play in favor of the more powerful side.
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Sorry, I may have gotten a bit highly dramatic here. Honestly I did kinda give up the hope that anyone remaining in the north will really change things, hence my hope on the Xavax at this point strangely enough.
For now I'll atleast stay, but I do hope the consequences of this are not too bad. Seems I have to put even more effort into my plans.
And for me BM is always also bit deciding which of my chars get my time. Quite enjoying Obia'Syela as well, but I can combine them if both remain fun.
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Don't worry I got this handled 8)
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Don't worry I got this handled 8)
:o
And where were you again on EC?
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Sirion doesn't give a damn to me anymore, but I will always return because of... well, f*ck them... I still want to write my RPs ::)
I had good times in Vix, that'a a good realm. But I would need to start a new story and I kinda like to just continue my old one. As Doctor Strangelove teach us all: "How I Learn to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (Sirion)".
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Though of course this is more of an IC issue, I do really wonder when this conflict will wrap up. It's unfortunate for realms like Alara and Minas Nova, because they're really far away from any of the action, but given the number imbalance between north and south, having them just stop would make things too easy for the north. It's all Caligus' fault for getting involved with Xavax.
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It's all Caligus' fault for getting involved with Xavax after Perdan and Vix intervened in a 2 on 1 war and Fallangard had proven themselves useless.
FTFY
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A 2 on 1 war where the 1 realm has a +20 noble advantage on the other two realms combined isn't a thing that doesn't require intervention, and at its peak Xavax was giving the entirety of the south a really strong opponent.
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A 2 on 1 war where the 1 realm has a +20 noble advantage on the other two realms combined isn't a thing that doesn't require intervention, and at its peak Xavax was giving the entirety of the south a really strong opponent.
Because Dogpiling GX was the obvious and logical answer...yeah makes sense
Anyway, can someone tell me just what the heck happened just now? Why is the war over? I don't understand :-(
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War isn't over! It just got more interesting.
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I have the feeling that with the switch of Bescanon that the war is pretty much settled now in favor of the north.
This switch around is having me headache on who is who, which is which >:(
Yeah, pretty silly though. Perdan-Vix alliance was like Nivemus-Eponllyn or Alara-Minas Nova. Noone would even think about it being anything other than unbreakable. But Perdan turned into zombie realm after Kellan left and zombie realms are unpredictable af. Everyone can just flip the chessboard.
Sad thing that it has to end due to players being bored/inactive rather than due to natural events and flow of the conflict.
I certainly have hope we can get back to that old days where we limited to 1 ally. However given current north versus south situation where everyone in the north(except OI of course) allied themselves together while the south do the same, it is too far a goal to achieve. At one point, my character was thinking of breaking alliance with Sirion, he has grudges against Sirion(for those who had battles in Sordidus should know his background). But Nivemus after Catherine left, was weaken significantly, half the army strength gone. Who is the insane one(Brock not mad like Mayhem) to do this.
I am thinking of having Brock goes out in glory. His time has been too long, maybe 1 reason why Nivemus stagnant even if we have the war or not.
Though of course this is more of an IC issue, I do really wonder when this conflict will wrap up. It's unfortunate for realms like Alara and Minas Nova, because they're really far away from any of the action, but given the number imbalance between north and south, having them just stop would make things too easy for the north. It's all Caligus' fault for getting involved with Xavax.
Things will not go well for Caligus. Stay tuned! :o :o
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I don't think I've ever seen a war with so many participants, or least not so many realms involved in the same battles.
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Who is the insane one(Brock not mad like Mayhem) to do this.
Chamberlain family and I were. We saw where the Sirion dominance structure in the north was going to and what it end up doing. So we risked everything we had (hell Oligarch was making me 2200 gold a week in Sirion) to try and change it. You were among the chief players to stop it which led to the same mess we predicted years ago.Most of those willing to take the risk are now gone, they joined Oligarch or left out of frhstration. And with all due respect, you've had a thousand opportunities to do it and it's why I don't believe you or anyone in power in the north will change things. I understand it's difficult to risk your positions and stuff and that seems to be the peime motivation in Sirion as well. Keeping your realm unconquered at all costs.
And the war aint over, just gotten really weird. And yeah! Wound just got worse, seriously wounded right now.
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The timing of all the changes is suuuuper suspect. Especially since some of the people who joined had a capital much further away then all of a sudden it's right at the front lines.
Now, not accusing people of actually doing that so they could, just that it seems that way.
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Which changes exactly? I,m wounded so maybe I missed a development or 2?
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The timing of all the changes is suuuuper suspect. Especially since some of the people who joined had a capital much further away then all of a sudden it's right at the front lines.
Now, not accusing people of actually doing that so they could, just that it seems that way.
I presume you're referring to either the secession of Highmarch or the changing allegiance of Perdan duchy?
The former happened simply because Vix Tiramora physically couldn't expand any further due to realm size limit.
The latter happened because of players getting bored and only moved three or four characters into Highmarch.
So I don't know what you're talking about.
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And if you're referring to the Eponllyn and Nivemus nobles suddenly joining Highnarch, those are Oligarchians.
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The formation of Highmarch was made due to a combination of people questioning why we had the territories in the north, and if Vix was destined to be some sort of super-conquering machine that would cover the continent, as well as the fact that all of the territorial gains drove the base tax line to like 5%. If our intention was to make it so we had a capital right on the front-lines, then the capital would definitely be in Akesh since it could hit everyone rather than Domus which is only 2 regions away from Vix's capital and tucked deeper in.
The Perdan situation was a wild-card Duke who wanted to reform Perdan, but chose to transfer the duchy to remove Perdan city from being the realm's capital so he can secede later and make new-perdania or something, but that's being handled ICly, but its clear from all the chaos going on with region transfers that this wasn't some elaborate plot to game the system.
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Seriously wounded, wounded, serious, wounded, now serious. Ugh.
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Thanks for the concise update. At least no one can blame me for this!
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Thanks for the concise update. At least no one can blame me for this!
Well actually...if you hadn't played so aggressively people wouldn't have killed Xavax and then the Xavax wouldn't have gone to Sirion and then we wouldn't have this mess. So it's all your fault :o
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Well actually...if you hadn't played so aggressively people wouldn't have killed Xavax and then the Xavax wouldn't have gone to Sirion and then we wouldn't have this mess. So it's all your fault :o
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Ah it's okay. Considering how all for it Caligus was when screwing over Vix Tiramora. I'm sure this situation would of erupted eventually!
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Seriously wounded, wounded, serious, wounded, now serious. Ugh.
Yea, been wounded for over 3 days... 147 unread messages. Sucks. Just joined this realm too, was hoping to get to socialize a bit.
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I'm working on the update to wounds healing. I think it just needs testing at this point—I just need to have the time to get back in and finalize it to send live.
Once it's live, most people who are wounded should start noticing the difference immediately.
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Oh, so that's why battlemaster has all frontend messed up!
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Whew, finally healed. Not reading those 150+ messages though.
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Still wounded here. And yeah catching up will be insane.
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99 messages waiting for me~
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You can breeze through 'em pretty good and get a sense for things I've found. BM injuries have given me a finally tuned sense for decoding long, whinging messages into their essential f*** you essence.
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You can breeze through 'em pretty good and get a sense for things I've found. BM injuries have given me a finally tuned sense for decoding long, whinging messages into their essential f*** you essence.
Well I could read a few messages here and there, which gave me a general idea of what was being said. Plus there's a lot of takeover reports, looting reports, unit status reports, etc.
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Belittle Ecthelion in public... After 5 minutes, ask him 3k gold.
I have a drinking problem, lol.
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Lol 3k, that must be one serious drinking problem
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I would ask fof 5.
Erik sent him thoudands, 5k isn't that much!
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Didn't Erik sent him like 20k+ back then? You should demand at least half of it ;D
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I played with Erik for what, 8 years? I believe it's much more than 20k.
And now I'm wounded even with training matches... people are too serious about this sparrings!
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But how many heirs does Erik have? :o
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I call them The Thousand Bastards.
Doing some RPs of how they live in Sirion.
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So life has returned to Sirion?
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I'm trying, but it seems I'm the only one making RPs.
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Feared as much. Well there are RP heavy realms on BM in case you ever get frustrated. It just ruins your Erik story :p
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Chamberlain family and I were. We saw where the Sirion dominance structure in the north was going to and what it end up doing. So we risked everything we had (hell Oligarch was making me 2200 gold a week in Sirion) to try and change it. You were among the chief players to stop it which led to the same mess we predicted years ago.Most of those willing to take the risk are now gone, they joined Oligarch or left out of frhstration. And with all due respect, you've had a thousand opportunities to do it and it's why I don't believe you or anyone in power in the north will change things. I understand it's difficult to risk your positions and stuff and that seems to be the peime motivation in Sirion as well. Keeping your realm unconquered at all costs.
And the war aint over, just gotten really weird. And yeah! Wound just got worse, seriously wounded right now.
Even though you may foresee this, you should just let Brock create a new realm out of Nivemus lands, potentially hostile next to Sirion north lands. Now that is called "change"! ;)
Whew, finally healed. Not reading those 150+ messages though.
No need to read all that messages.
Just to War!
Belittle Ecthelion in public... After 5 minutes, ask him 3k gold.
I have a drinking problem, lol.
Wow, 3K gold. I wish Brock made that much in Nivemus. I guess a knight of Oligarch city should earn that much too.
I'm trying, but it seems I'm the only one making RPs.
Luckily for me, there are 2-3 characters who RP in Nivemus.
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Even though you may foresee this, you should just let Brock create a new realm out of Nivemus lands,
Go ahead, I don't really see it happening. I've heard of these plans for well over a year (in real life). If you wanted to help shake things up , why not do it when Oligarch was still around so Sirion actually lacked the power to stop you?
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People never put their money where their mouths are 8)
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That's not true, but for many in BM taking risk is not a natural behavior. So when they risk losing power or positions etc, they find excuses to prevent it at all cost.
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People never put their money where their mouths are 8)
some did, and we're still bitter about it ;D
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That's not true, but for many in BM taking risk is not a natural behavior. So when they risk losing power or positions etc, they find excuses to prevent it at all cost.
It's a game! If we can't take risks here, how the hell is anything ever going to change in the real world?
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HOW IT WENT? WHO WON? Sorry, my caps lock is attached to excitement. I'm getting it surgically removed next thursday.
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HOW IT WENT? WHO WON? Sorry, my caps lock is attached to excitement. I'm getting it surgically removed next thursday.
Pretty much as planned and the south won. Seems likely that we'll be up for a second battle now.
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It seems Hrafn touched soo much "difficult policies" that he let the General a little confused.
They're going to blame the marriage on Krimml, I bet.
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Let's now hope new wounding mechanics work properly and I don't lose the most interesting week again.
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It seems Hrafn touched soo much "difficult policies" that he let the General a little confused.
They're going to blame the marriage on Krimml, I bet.
Wait what? So they're going to blame your char for them losing in Tokat?
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Not exactly, but they were certainly complaining about the marriage in Krimml... Hrafn was busy trying to take Dolmbar until he was ordered to leave rogue regions... rogue. Sirion never ceases to amaze me. Thinking about moving to Vix.
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Surprise surprise, but this was mainly their own mistake. They had 33% more forces but couldn't use it properly.
Also, Highmarch is way cooler, newer and hip, but then again, yeah go to Vix ;D
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I quite literally expected Chester to die in this battle after willingly volunteering him to take the full force of the enemy's attacks for a turn but nope! He takes about 5000 hits worth of arrows which kills off his entire unit and he's just WOUNDED! He's practically unkillable at this point! :O
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Chester is a hero?
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Yeah I said he was a week or so ago. :P
I was fully expecting to make a awesome heroic death this way.
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It seems everyone is using this kind os strategy now... with some units in the front line to take massive damages or to force the army to move foward. Well, it worked in open field. Against walls? Nah...
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It seems everyone is using this kind os strategy now... with some units in the front line to take massive damages or to force the army to move foward. Well, it worked in open field. Against walls? Nah...
People are abusing the fact archers only attack the closest unit. This should be changed ASAP.
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So this is an exploitation of the mechanics... like leaving rogue regions rogue to avoid taxes while the realm continues taking other regions in the front.
Even worse.
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Both sides are using the same options within the battle mechanics. I'm not sure this is called an abuse as it was an intentional part of the battle mechanics if I recall correctly. If one is to blame, I believe I was the first to implement this strategy 1.5 years ago or so already. Oligarch required any edge against Sirion and so we used some different settings and tactics including this one as I noticed this archer behavior when analysing some battle reports.
If you want this changed, I suggest you make a feature request on this forum and hear what the devs have to say.
As I see it, this part is not a bug, but an intentional decision and thus you should be able to use it. Sirion leaving regions rogue goes probably even further than this, but that too is a concious decision well within the boundaries of intentional mechanics and I see nothing wrong with it from an OOC perspective.
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Yes, there is definitely always a difference of what you can do and what you think morally accepted to do. Realistically, I do not think 1147 archers would all shoot at the same time against a single unit, just as I do not think you'd think it right to let your people starve to gain a military advantage... unless you're Stalin or Mao.
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Yes, there is definitely always a difference of what you can do and what you think morally accepted to do. Realistically, I do not think 1147 archers would all shoot at the same time against a single unit, just as I do not think you'd think it right to let your people starve to gain a military advantage... unless you're Stalin or Mao.
Well removing food of regions that are being TO'd to starve an enemy has been done since it was possible I think, but you can certainly question the ethics of such decisions. And Garas has become a monster in terms of what he'll do for victory, which given how his story line evolved and what was done to him makes absolute sense. If starving 5000 peasants meant he'd gain a good victory, he'd do it in a heart beat.
Now on the matter of 1147 archers firing on a single unit, you can wonder how realistic it is, but it was an intentional game mechanic. If we want it more realistic we should add a feature request to allow some more complexity into the matter if that's at all possible code wise. And this does work two ways, as both sides can utilize the tactic. The big downside is however that the volunteer to take on the arrows is always wounded, if not killed.
There are also two distinct differences, what do you as a player see as morally accepted in terms of working within the game mechanics and what does your character view as acceptable. I can assure you that some in the south have been fighting Garas' more brutal ideas and plans, claiming it lacks honor. So that definately exists on a character level.
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There are also two distinct differences, what do you as a player see as morally accepted in terms of working within the game mechanics and what does your character view as acceptable. I can assure you that some in the south have been fighting Garas' more brutal ideas and plans, claiming it lacks honor. So that definately exists on a character level.
I have 0 problems with characters. However, it seems more with player's decisions. There is a difference when you know that the mechanics will punish you for being too big and instead of following the mechanics (imposed to make the game more fun for everyone), you decide to leave 4 rogue regions behind you to take Oligarch, for example. I have not seen characters justifying this... only players finding ways to dodge the changes made to make the game more dynamic.
Now on the matter of 1147 archers firing on a single unit, you can wonder how realistic it is, but it was an intentional game mechanic. If we want it more realistic we should add a feature request to allow some more complexity into the matter if that's at all possible code wise. And this does work two ways, as both sides can utilize the tactic. The big downside is however that the volunteer to take on the arrows is always wounded, if not killed.
I'm playing more for RP reasons than military ones, so I will not bother to fill a request. I just think that two sides using a crazy mechanic does no good to anyone.
EDIT: It's easy to make a character to follow some of your player's choices in face of different mechanics. I'm not a saint... I'am playing BM since 2006 and playing RPG's for a long time, being GM or Storytelller. When you see a winning opportunity, your character's morale is easily adjustable if the prize seems satisfactory to you. And that's not personal, I did not even know you had found out about the archers. It's more of a generic and impersonal complaint because I've been through this situation many times in RPGs.
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I have 0 problems with characters. However, it seems more with player's decisions. There is a difference when you know that the mechanics will punish you for being too big and instead of following the mechanics (imposed to make the game more fun for everyone), you decide to leave 4 rogue regions behind you to take Oligarch, for example. I have not seen characters justifying this... only players finding ways to dodge the changes made to make the game more dynamic.
In this case you should certainly call them out IC and keep repeating why IC this makes no sense. Perhaps even add an OOC letter pointing out the weirdness.
I'm playing more for RP reasons than military ones, so I will not bother to fill a request. I just think that two sides using a crazy mechanic does no good to anyone.
I am playing mostly for RP reasons as well and you'll find that Garas is my only truly 'military' character. In fact, Goriad in Astrum has repeatedly protested and objected to people using tactics that he finds dishonorable and in his case against his faith, no matter the IC advantages it might otherwise bring. One of such was a while ago when the General proposed to starve unterstrom rather than sieging it. I have had realms fail because I refused to take IC advantages where I could, but Garas' RP has gone very far and at this point he is more of a broken man, fueled with hatred. In fact, there is a referendum in Highmarch because of him, as he ordered a brutal TO of Tokat even though the peasants were friendly and loyal to Highmarch (IC it makes sense to always do a friendly TO here, but RP wise Garas just wants to kill and burn those who wronged him, who burned him alive through magic and who took his family and realm away. This hatred and desparation also mean he will use anything and everything to accomplish that goal). Plus the whole Oligarch foundation was to my personal detriment as Garas was making 'me' 2200 gold a week in Sirion, but it was boring for everyone else.
EDIT: It's easy to make a character to follow some of your player's choices in face of different mechanics. I'm not a saint... I'am playing BM since 2006 and playing RPG's for a long time, being GM or Storytelller. When you see a winning opportunity, your character's morale is easily adjustable if the prize seems satisfactory to you. And that's not personal, I did not even know you had found out about the archers. It's more of a generic and impersonal complaint because I've been through this situation many times in RPGs.
I actually generally steer away from that (see above) but do understand your point here and agree that two sides using this tactic of the archers can somewhat look silly and it will also depend on how many dedicated volunteers for guarenteed wounded state you have etc. If it is changed, I won't complain, but while it is not, Garas will use it, but Goriad certainly wouldn't for instance (although he doesn't know that much about military to begin with, just the basics).
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In this case you should certainly call them out IC and keep repeating why IC this makes no sense. Perhaps even add an OOC letter pointing out the weirdness.
Yeah. Sent the first long letter answering the General about this and other situations. It seems everyone is too busy with the battle... or, you know, discussing my punishment behind closed doors. How many years have been passed since they first took Oligarch (when Erik appointed a Lord there because the region joined my MAJESTIC AVAMAR) and the discussion of creating a new kingdom from Sirion? Nothing makes me believe that they are so slow and incompetent. More like accommodated to the point of finding ways to escape the new mechanics.
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I won't dispute that there are players in this game who play the way you describe, but at the same time I will dispute that all play like this. It might even be so that some follow this line of logic untill you point out how rediculous it is.
It may be that a few of the leaders in Sirion operate this way, but between Xavax and Sirion there are 48 nobles in the realm. Surely if you address this matter publicly there will be others to join in. I do hope your letter was sent to the entire realm and not just the General?
And when we are talking about creating new realms from Sirion, this is simply actively and successfully blocked by a few. It's been like that for as long as I can remember. Now the new mechanics might force some of them to make different decisions, but I still doubt it. I do agree that leaving some lands rogue because of the limiting game mechanic is rather in contrast with the reasoning they want to keep Sirion together as one realm and won't allow seccessions. So no to letting a city go, but yes to keeping 4 regions rogue in your own lands...I understand your point here, I do, but these are best addressed IC I think.
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To prove Gabanus player's point - I too nerf most of my characters. For instance when I as a player know that something would be the best course of action but my character has no way of knowing that or knows that but wouldn't allow himself to act on that knowledge due to honour or something like that.
But then again I have some characters I go all Gary Stu with and utilize 100% of my OOC knowledge, cause they're just so damn perfect.
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A calm wind blows for the joy of the archers. ;D
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Also, Highmarch is way cooler, newer and hip, but then again, yeah go to Vix ;D
Highmarch is tedious. The very reason I didn't go be one of the founding fathers was because of the characters who decided to join - too much tension between all of them. Vix has a much better atmosphere, now. Calm, collected, and focused. It's kind of like we went through our teenage growth spurt to adulthood, had a kid who took an arm and a leg, and now are settling down making a name for ourselves. If we haven't already 8)
Time for Eros to quit skulking around a rejoin the battles. I miss all that. Getting wounded for days and days, not so much.
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Wait it's tedious and there's quarrel among them? Isn't tension between people often fun?
But Highmarch is working like clockwork, no real tension really, except the refefendum on TO options maybe.
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Purrcious heard that people actually liked the debate on TO though.
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Highmarch is tedious. The very reason I didn't go be one of the founding fathers was because of the characters who decided to join - too much tension between all of them. Vix has a much better atmosphere, now. Calm, collected, and focused. It's kind of like we went through our teenage growth spurt to adulthood, had a kid who took an arm and a leg, and now are settling down making a name for ourselves. If we haven't already 8)
Time for Eros to quit skulking around a rejoin the battles. I miss all that. Getting wounded for days and days, not so much.
I actually think the split worked fairly well. The characters who'd normally have heated arguments with one another when we were one realm have now basically split between the two realms so that they're no longer in each others faces on a daily basis and likely to argue. Instead of several big fishes in one pond we now have two ponds and a couple of big fishes cohabiting peacefully in each :p
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Our pond is the best, though. Our marsh has the high grounds.
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Surprise surprise, but this was mainly their own mistake. They had 33% more forces but couldn't use it properly.
Also, Highmarch is way cooler, newer and hip, but then again, yeah go to Vix ;D
Sue Elric for that. Still he's good. Just not to Ryu or Daniel level. I miss Ryu :(
So this is an exploitation of the mechanics... like leaving rogue regions rogue to avoid taxes while the realm continues taking other regions in the front.
Even worse.
Sound like a problem. The much defined problem is: Everyone who take the frontline region, know they are adding a few more regions away from their heartlands from being threaten. Now what is Sea Travel implemented on EC? There will be total chaos! ;)
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You do know tge player of Ryu has returned right? Moore family. Are you sure you're not missing Garas as general ;)
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Sound like a problem. The much defined problem is: Everyone who take the frontline region, know they are adding a few more regions away from their heartlands from being threaten. Now what is Sea Travel implemented on EC? There will be total chaos! ;)
When everyone, even the very game mechanics, is telling you to have small realms and you still refuse to change, well... just punish them harder in terms of game mechanics. I will say until the point of have Slimbar going rogue and infested with 50k monsters so you can learn the lesson once for all.
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Huzzah, small stagnant realms with limited noble counts and broken economies!
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The point isn't to have realms with few nobles.
The point is not to spread out to as many regions as you possibly can, no matter how few nobles you have.
"Small" in region count, not noble count, in other words.
If you can get lots of nobles, go for it. That's encouraged. And if you have enough that you can take more land and still keep your density up, that, too, is encouraged. Just don't keep taking regions till you have more than one for everyone.
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How does a realm provide Lordships for its nobility if it only has a small number of regions, though? Makes politics a bitch when power concentrates in a select few hands. *cough Sirion cough*
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How does a realm provide Lordships for its nobility if it only has a small number of regions, though? Makes politics a bitch when power concentrates in a select few hands. *cough Sirion cough*
Um...what?
Why do you think a realm should be able to provide Lordships for all, or even a majority, of its nobility?
Lordships have never, ever, been intended to be something that most characters in the game get. The game was, broadly speaking, designed with the assumption that any given region would have at least 1-2 knights in addition to the lord (on average).
Lordship shouldn't be a primary way of motivating or rewarding knights, unless you have massive turnover (and then that's a separate problem for you).
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Wouldn't need estates if you could provide a region for every noble.
Maybe later, you can add more regional titles for knights just like how you can appoint a steward.
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Wouldn't need estates if you could provide a region for every noble.
Maybe later, you can add more regional titles for knights just like how you can appoint a steward.
Hey, yeah! Everyone wants to rise in ranks and power, noone enjoys the glass ceiling. Were there more ways to advance for the knights than conquering new regions, conquering new regions wouldn't be so popular. Right now there is even virtually no way to weasel a lord out of a lordship unless he voluntarily steps down, so there's not much a knight can do other than being the lowest brick in the feudal pyramid.
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Lordship shouldn't be a primary way of motivating or rewarding knights
Nothing against this mentality, that's very true mainly when I began the game in 2006 when was harder to get positions. But if I had stuck with it, I would not have conquered so many titles nor would I have had such a fun ride through the years. Even when BM is not a game you can win, you will hardly convince the majority to continue as Knights indefinitely. It's human nature to want more, at least of my nature.
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It depends on the way you do it, there are other options than Lordships. Government titles, or even special tasks and duties. Oligarch at its hight had what, 4 regions and 23 nobles and nobody was complaining. They only started to leave/complain when the entire north bashed us in and forced us back into Oligarch City only, making some people give up. But there are other ways to inspire people than Lordships if you make things fun. And then in time you can still grow into power.
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Precisely.
And oh, can it be so incredibly boring to be an landless knight (or minor lord) beneath the unforgiving heel of stagnant nobility. Even worse if the realm's not exactly a hotbed of RP, or the RP's exclude players who aren't part of a certain clique/faith/guild/faction.
Game might be called BattleMaster, but most players ain't here for the battles. They're neither deep nor dynamic enough to offer much entertainment outside of grandiose genocide of the intercontinental multi-national clusterfluke variety, and only then for the political schism, profitable looting, and the homicidal glee of conquering armies the world over. Especially so when PvE. For example, I keep a meticulous tally of every noble injured in battle, and take great pride in putting bureaucrats out of commission to the misfortune of the affected realms. ;)
As the not so unspoken rule dictates, everything offered is an opportunity to generate a story. Roleplay. Interaction. A legacy worthy of memory.
Hell, I feel that religion, guilds, adventurers, gov't titles, artifacts, assassinations, gloriously heroic battlefield deaths, and other such facets add far more enjoyment and continuity to BM.
Rising through the ranks from nobody to demi-god, clawing our way up the ladder of power and prestige, throwing the weight of our influence around like a set of brass balls hanging proudly before our necks, and eventually hanging from those very same balls like some improvised noose dipped in liquid irony... This game's more Master than Battle, and that's what breathes life into the community. At its core, BM caters to the oh-so-Human seed of unchecked ambition whose fruit we can't exactly harvest in real life. ;) !@#$, where else can I be a Sumerian Death-Cultist?
...Though giving knights something else to do beside the repetitious massacre of expensive units always proves a worthwhile incentive.
Jus' sayin'
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Little glories turn into great disappointments when you lead a charge to victory, but find out later you're only doing it because they want you to be target of 1574 damn archers.
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Or, as Masalu just learned the hard way, getting gangbanged by a wall of monsters and losing your entire unit in a single turn. :P Though that one was his own damn fault for wanting to lead and not staying in the rearguard. Hey, good inspiration for his first public RP at least.
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Little glories turn into great disappointments when you lead a charge to victory, but find out later you're only doing it because they want you to be target of 1574 damn archers.
Well I can only speak for myself (not sure how others do it, you know how the north does it) but everyone knows before they volunteer that they'll prob end up wounded and lose their men, talking about this specific measure.
But there are a great many possibilities in some realms while others provide none, that is true, some realms are harsh for new nobles to join which is sad, but others are great and provide activity/RP/opportunities beyond just lordships.
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I was caught off-guard because I wasn't around when they started doing this... I was expecting something more like throwing myself at the infantry like in the past. A glorious sacrifice, not a stupid one. Hrafn learned his lesson and will not do it again until some fat old rich man of Sirion offers himself for such a mission.
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Ha! Good luck with that!
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I was caught off-guard because I wasn't around when they started doing this... I was expecting something more like throwing myself at the infantry like in the past. A glorious sacrifice, not a stupid one. Hrafn learned his lesson and will not do it again until some fat old rich man of Sirion offers himself for such a mission.
I can imagine that. I feel as that they should have told you what you're volunteering for personally, but that's me.
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Relax, I'm just old and grumpy, so this is my only role in Sirion
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A young Erik 8) I wonder how big they'll crack down on you now you don't have a city
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Wouldn't need estates if you could provide a region for every noble.
Maybe later, you can add more regional titles for knights just like how you can appoint a steward.
When everyone has lordships, though, there ceases to be any incentive to invade neighbors. Plus the more titles people have, the more conservative they become. Add to this that tax tolerance decreases, fixed expenses increase, and the increased lordly burdens occupy people, the lower the noble:region ratio, the less a realm will be both willing and able to wage war on another realm. Which then stiffles interaction, and leads to internal decay.
If any change is to be promoted, it's probably to increase the ease or incentives for players to ditch boring realms and join more dynamic ones.
Players need better tools to find out what the active realms are, and not only at character creation. Perhaps an intra-colonial emigration mechanic, where a noble in a coastal city can pay a ferry and be brought back to the realm selection page (after a few days on hold, to avoid abuses should the judge want to ban them for whatever reason, perhaps burrowing from the tournament mechanics). Maybe tournaments can be made more profitable so that people will hold more of them, it's hard to even just break even with the decreasing player base, and they are a great occasion to make players from all over meet, interact, and potentially switch allegiance.
I'm sure others can think of other tools. Point is, no outside mechanic can make a realm that sucks stop sucking. We've tried so many things, and the odds ones that have had an impact were barely noticeable, and they all come with trade-offs. As much as I think we've gone too far, in general, towards the individualism culture in BM at the behest of the group culture, I also think that people staying in terrible realms that would deserve do die aren't making anyone favors.
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When everyone has lordships, though, there ceases to be any incentive to invade neighbors. Plus the more titles people have, the more conservative they become. Add to this that tax tolerance decreases, fixed expenses increase, and the increased lordly burdens occupy people, the lower the noble:region ratio, the less a realm will be both willing and able to wage war on another realm. Which then stiffles interaction, and leads to internal decay.
This. The best realms have a significant body of knights who want lordships or other riches/titles/glory. Their pushing to make something of themselves is what usually drives internal conflict in the realm or what drives them to go to war (because having an enemy to fight keeps the knights from getting rowdy).
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ROFL Duke of perdan switched his realm again.
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It's a happy ending! The Perdan nobles made amends and reunited their realm, mostly. Mulhouse and Bescanon are quite nice though ;)
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It's a happy ending! The Perdan nobles made amends and reunited their realm, mostly. Mulhouse and Bescanon are quite nice though ;)
Those two regions are staying? :o
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That last battle in Sordidus was good fun, managed to get a wound! Northerners got routed.
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Well better prepare for round 2 then and round 3 (at least last time there were 3 battles in Sordidus, would be an interesting tradition to start 8))
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Hey, you're right! Sordidus likely to became the bloodiest region of this war.
EDIT - region Lord should make a mention in region description after the war is over.
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Sordidus is becoming a sordid thorn in someone's ass...
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Sordidus is becoming a sordid thorn in someone's ass...
I sor what you did dare ^^
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I think I'm going to give up the battles in Sordidus... arrested :(
Worse than that only if they were using magic against me non-stop. ::)
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I think I'm going to give up the battles in Sordidus... arrested :(
Worse than that only if they were using magic against me non-stop. ::)
I was hit by only one though and it was useless xD
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I hope the Quaestor of Highmarch share my request for him with the realm.
A humble request for release. 8)
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Looks like SA is doing pretty well against NA despite being outnumbered.
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Maybe I'm too old, but the strategies these days are horrible... I've never been an expert, but you need just take a look and see that something is very wrong.
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Maybe I'm too old, but the strategies these days are horrible... I've never been an expert, but you need just take a look and see that something is very wrong.
Actually I think strategies got better. People never bothered with strategies back in the days. They just recruited infantry all the time. Maybe NA's commander is just bad...
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Maybe... but I'm enjoying to talk with the Quaestor of Higmarch. I still have a sense of historical responsibility to Sirion, but maybe Hraf's suitor drags him out of Sirion; the realm requires too much effort to climb the hierarchy and I do not have the patience to repeat the process.
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Maybe... but I'm enjoying to talk with the Quaestor of Higmarch. I still have a sense of historical responsibility to Sirion, but maybe Hraf's suitor drags him out of Sirion; the realm requires too much effort to climb the hierarchy and I do not have the patience to repeat the process.
Historical responsibility rofl...
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C'mon, Sirion is my Fountain of RPs. Also, there is a certain Lady in Sirion that my char wants to marry before thinking about leave.
Then, my historical responsability will turn into "You betrayed my father... BURN!" 8)
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I hope the Quaestor of Highmarch share my request for him with the realm.
A humble request for release. 8)
He did.
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C'mon, Sirion is my Fountain of RPs. Also, there is a certain Lady in Sirion that my char wants to marry before thinking about leave.
Then, my historical responsability will turn into "You betrayed my father... BURN!" 8)
"My name is Inigo Skovgaard, you killed my father, prepare to die."
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C'mon, Sirion is my Fountain of RPs. Also, there is a certain Lady in Sirion that my char wants to marry before thinking about leave.
Then, my historical responsability will turn into "You betrayed my father... BURN!" 8)
Gotta learn to move away from Sirion and explore other parts of EC, Eduardo. You will be surprised. First I was pretty bored with other realms but once you start putting more hours to figure how other realms work, you will enjoy them more than Sirion.
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I tried Vix and enjoyed it a lot. However, with the new family I wanted to link Erik's legacy with his bastards. I wanted to start the RP in Sirion. But I don't think or hope that I will have anoter "Erik" in Sirion, so, yes... at some point I will move to a more dynamic realm.
I will always look at Avamar and Trinbar and miss something, but RPwise, it's time to spread the RP to all of EC.
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I also thought I'd never have a character like Zakilevo. But characters I had after him blew that character out of the water.
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Wait... Wait...STOP.
Just found a character named Prepucio Amoroso in East Continent. People are ordering him around... just translating from portuguese, he's the Lovely Foreskin. Must be a coincidence, said no one... ever.
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....Hahahahaha! What!? Reminds me of the Holy Prepuce.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce)
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....Hahahahaha! What!? Reminds me of the Holy Prepuce.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce)
That is frigging hilarious, and I'm definitely gonna prop that up on some Christians.
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You do know tge player of Ryu has returned right? Moore family. Are you sure you're not missing Garas as general ;)
I really wonder how do you know this.
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Because I spoke with the player when Austin and Garas were opposite Generals and it turned out he had returned under adifferent family name.
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And sure thing enough, we lost another battle. By we, I mean North Alliance realms lost another battle to South Alliance today.
I guess Brock will be the main player in this war after all. Given everything he has... And Brock was not supposed to rise through Nivemus ranks. He made a pact earlier on! ???
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Fire Elric the Lossbringer. Start hiring someone more capable.
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And sure thing enough, we lost another battle. By we, I mean North Alliance realms lost another battle to South Alliance today.
I guess Brock will be the main player in this war after all. Given everything he has... And Brock was not supposed to rise through Nivemus ranks. He made a pact earlier on! ???
Wait I thought Brock didn't even join the battle?
@Anderfstim Elric is no longer in command, I believe Lionel Kinsey is atm from what I heard.
*Edit, as much as my char likes to bitch at Elric ingame, we've got to be fair to him ooc here on the forum. This was not even close his fault.
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Fire Elric the Lossbringer. Start hiring someone more capable.
What Gabanus say below, we have a new SC. Cannot fault him just yet. He did good initially.
Maybe we need change frequently the SC so that you guys cannot guess our moves...
Wait I thought Brock didn't even join the battle?
@Anderfstim Elric is no longer in command, I believe Lionel Kinsey is atm from what I heard.
*Edit, as much as my char likes to bitch at Elric ingame, we've got to be fair to him ooc here on the forum. This was not even close his fault.
Yes, Brock missed the battle >:(
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What Gabanus say below, we have a new SC. Cannot fault him just yet. He did good initially.
Maybe we need change frequently the SC so that you guys cannot guess our moves...
Pick names out of a hat. That'd probably work out better than the current set-up.
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Consistency is what makes you a good general. If your success is only limited for a couple battles, you suck period.
Let's see how this Kinsey fellow will do. Hopefully he will put more of a fight than Elric.
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You guys are brutal these days, damn. I would love to see any of you try to lead armies of multiple nations in a war on this scale. It is more challenging than it looks ;)
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Consistency is what makes you a good general. If your success is only limited for a couple battles, you suck period.
Let's see how this Kinsey fellow will do. Hopefully he will put more of a fight than Elric.
But that make Elric looks good if what you say is anything to go by. Since Elric led the armies and pushed till Fallangard's Hamadan city without any losses. After Hamadan city filled with peasant militia, that went downhill quickly.
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Like when he forgot to see that a region we attacked had level 2 fortifications? Seems great.
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Alright, we must admit that was a massively embarrassing oversight, but give the guy some credit. He's trying his best. Sirion isn't exactly a compact, geographically-unified realm overflowing with gold and elite troops these days. More like a bloated morass festering beneath the weight of its own bureaucracy, but still. Outside of being cleaved in half to form twin realms, Sirion can't do much to remedy its financial woes.
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You can't tell me that Ecthelion's gold is gone...unless he's not sharing of course.
Also he wasn't the only one who missed the fortifications. Several elders in the south also were pressing Garas to order a retreat and I was just like, but why? After few messages back and forth it turned out that they didn't know Tokat had lvl 2 walls. Garas was like "why the hell did you think we assaulted this region in the first place?"
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Rivers of gold. I had Avamar/Krimml/Oligarch and several rural regions, etc. And Dürion had Trinbar. Almost all the gold, plus the one from prisoners, for years... all sent to him. And that's just from me. Add all the other Dukes and some Lords to this list.
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Consistency is what makes you a good general. If your success is only limited for a couple battles, you suck period.
That depends on the nature of the war. Very few wars in Battlemaster are evenly matched. There's usually one powerful side and one underdog. Several of the Generals I've seen called 'great' during the years I've played have actually been ones that led armies that already had a numbers and power advantage. The really strategy game minded players often tend to be attracted to the realms that already have established military reputations too.
A General who leads a small realm and wins a couple of battles could actually be punching well above his or her weight. People would probably still say, 'oh. they suck' because they lose a majority of their battles. But it's probably the case that it was very hard to win battles anyway.
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That depends on the nature of the war. Very few wars in Battlemaster are evenly matched. There's usually one powerful side and one underdog. Several of the Generals I've seen called 'great' during the years I've played have actually been ones that led armies that already had a numbers and power advantage. The really strategy game minded players often tend to be attracted to the realms that already have established military reputations too.
A General who leads a small realm and wins a couple of battles could actually be punching well above his or her weight. People would probably still say, 'oh. they suck' because they lose a majority of their battles. But it's probably the case that it was very hard to win battles anyway.
Yea, I agree with this completely.
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Same here although I hope you're not trying to argue this specific case here :p
But you're right. There's often one side with a clear advantage as few people are willing to risk their marbles even in BM
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Same here although I hope you're not trying to argue this specific case here :p
No, I was just making a broad point about how people perceive Generals and/or Marshals in the game.
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Let's see how this Kinsey fellow will do. Hopefully he will put more of a fight than Elric.
He only held off the entire Southern Alliance virtually by himself for years. ::)
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No, I was just making a broad point about how people perceive Generals and/or Marshals in the game.
And armies in general.
Enweil was a superpower during a long time, on BT, before the fourth invasion killed off a third of its nobles and blighted key economic regions.
Having been marshal and general there, I can assure anyone that, save maybe for its very early days, its crushing military might was the result of it's overpowering economy more than of the discipline of its nobles or genius of military leaders preceding me. I could never rely on good movement rates or prompt scouting, but at least I knew we had a ton of gold and that eventually I'd have a huge ass army in place wherever I wanted.
It's amazing how many strong realms really just owe it all to their overpowered regions granting them huge economic advantages. As a bonus, excess wealth tends to attract more players in general, and especially more mobile and active ones, which helps solidify the hegemony of those realms.
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Alright, we must admit that was a massively embarrassing oversight, but give the guy some credit. He's trying his best. Sirion isn't exactly a compact, geographically-unified realm overflowing with gold and elite troops these days. More like a bloated morass festering beneath the weight of its own bureaucracy, but still. Outside of being cleaved in half to form twin realms, Sirion can't do much to remedy its financial woes.
Yes, I gave Elric credit too. He has offensive mind to attack, hence the attacks up till Hamadan city. Maybe we will do well to do what he suggested, burn all the lands than taking them like what Xavax war till the former Xavax lands become useless. This is war of attrition, we all recognize that :P
You can't tell me that Ecthelion's gold is gone...unless he's not sharing of course.
Also he wasn't the only one who missed the fortifications. Several elders in the south also were pressing Garas to order a retreat and I was just like, but why? After few messages back and forth it turned out that they didn't know Tokat had lvl 2 walls. Garas was like "why the hell did you think we assaulted this region in the first place?"
Yes, it is funny that we assaulted this region with its wall intact. In fact, nobody not even ally who once has this region is sharing any intel information until my character presses for more.
Rivers of gold. I had Avamar/Krimml/Oligarch and several rural regions, etc. And Dürion had Trinbar. Almost all the gold, plus the one from prisoners, for years... all sent to him. And that's just from me. Add all the other Dukes and some Lords to this list.
Yeah, river of gold. While I cannot assume I know how much income Oligarch city and by extension Ecthelion is earning, I think Sirion should have no income problem, compared to...
That depends on the nature of the war. Very few wars in Battlemaster are evenly matched. There's usually one powerful side and one underdog. Several of the Generals I've seen called 'great' during the years I've played have actually been ones that led armies that already had a numbers and power advantage. The really strategy game minded players often tend to be attracted to the realms that already have established military reputations too.
A General who leads a small realm and wins a couple of battles could actually be punching well above his or her weight. People would probably still say, 'oh. they suck' because they lose a majority of their battles. But it's probably the case that it was very hard to win battles anyway.
Same here although I hope you're not trying to argue this specific case here :p
But you're right. There's often one side with a clear advantage as few people are willing to risk their marbles even in BM
Back when Brock was a General, he found it difficult leading Nivemus fighting against Perdan especially their PMW which are considered elite units. However Ryu eventually found a solution for a good allied defense of Nivemus lands and Sirion lands, which led us down the path of pushing Perdan back till Duchy of Perdan. If I have to recognize a good General and even a good Commander of all allied armies, I will put Ryu name down first.
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Elric: Attack Hamadan!
Fallangard: You've just activated my trap card!
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Back when Brock was a General, he found it difficult leading Nivemus fighting against Perdan especially their PMW which are considered elite units. However Ryu eventually found a solution for a good allied defense of Nivemus lands and Sirion lands, which led us down the path of pushing Perdan back till Duchy of Perdan. If I have to recognize a good General and even a good Commander of all allied armies, I will put Ryu name down first.
I'm sure he'll enjoy hearing that.
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Back when Brock was a General, he found it difficult leading Nivemus fighting against Perdan especially their PMW which are considered elite units. However Ryu eventually found a solution for a good allied defense of Nivemus lands and Sirion lands, which led us down the path of pushing Perdan back till Duchy of Perdan. If I have to recognize a good General and even a good Commander of all allied armies, I will put Ryu name down first.
Which war was that? I've never seen Ryu in action because he left pretty much the moment Perdan invaded and Westmoor took Krimml from Sirion.
I did see the player in action (Austin Moore) against me, but in opposite realms and though I love the player, I wasn't wowed by his militaty that much. Could be that he didn't have enough time etc.
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Why do you think Ryu is Moore? You can just check the two existed at the same time in Sirion. Moore is our good and old General Boom Boom before the name change was a thing. Ryu arrived in Sirion when I was Margrave of Trinbar (the only Marquis at that time already calling himself Margrave 8) ). We were facing the almost the entire continent and defending ourselves pretty well in Trinbar (which made much of Erik's initial fame). With his arrival, we began to leave the defensive and act on the offensive. He envisioned the Red Dragons and Ecthelion stole the idea and founded the army by himself and it lasted until I was able to steal the RD for myself AND found the Silver Legion in place of the Glinmar Light Riders. I believe everyone in EC knows the rest: Fontan, Sultanate and Westmoor... rest in peace.
When Erik became PM, he called Ryu back and he returned for a while. It was the second attempt of the second great war that Atanamir tried to impose until he was banned from the game. That lasted only a month or two. I earned my Royal title and since then, immune to any Judge, Erik's gave his final step into megalomania.
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Oh really, so he was another old General. I assumed he was Ryu, my bad in that case. Sorry for that #ainteditingathing
I'm confused atm, how many great wars have there been? I helped found the Sultanate but left a few weeks after we took Oroya from OR.
I was there when Atanamir was removed, but not sure if that was this account or the previous one. This account started like 1-2 months before Perdan/Westmoor and friends invaded Sirion and Ryu left. I'm guessing Ketchum is talking about the great war before that one?
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In my account, just one great war and it was the first when Fontan destroyed OR , created the Sultanate and so on. The other, Atanamir's one, I wouldn't call a great war.
If there's another one, it's before my time and was among the various Sirions (west and east Sirion), the war with Oligarch and Avamar (the Balck Hand). But, as I said, it's before my time and I don't know much about it, just that it was fought by people with silly names like Circle, Doc, etc. I arrived in Sirion with my first char during the invasion of Khalmar Islands and the great federation peace among Sirion/OR/Fontan.
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Well that was certainly a great war. Fontan was insane with letters back then.
But you do not consider the current war, or the last one where everyone (except Caligus) fought on either side as great wars?
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In my view, there was only one true Great War, the war that ravaged (roughly) between Sirion/Fontan and Perdan/Oligarch/Avamar. The war waged for years (it was going a year or two before I joined in 2005, I think, and went until...2007? the end of 2006?). While there were some core realms that were consistent (Perdan and Sirion), other reams switched sides, rebellions were fought over who the realm would fight and not fight, civil wars/secessions raged over the same. South EC of Yssaria, Ibladesh, and Itorunt had different interests than those up north, but the war consumed them as part of the epic contest. The war affected every corner of EC and EC was defined by the war; EC was known as the best continent to jump into a war. It was thought it would never end. And then it did, EC got stuck in eternal peace, and Tom had to threaten to lightning bolt all the rulers to get the island moving again.
But I've noticed a tendency amongst BM players of labelling almost every war since then, and even during then on other continents, as 'the Great War'. I have long found it quite uncreative, but I've also come to realize that doing such is a simple way of glorifying one's own BM achievements by calling one's war great. My contention is not that there have not been wars that have been great, epic, or fun, but that if we call every war the Great War, all the wars lose their 'greatness', ie, 'so its as great as the other dozen great wars?', losing the meaning of being truly great.
And there's my schpeal on Great Wars apparently.
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Well, I arrived in BM in 2006 and Fontan started the war against OR/Sirion in 2007, I think. And yes, we call it the great war because that was our perspective at the time and that of many new players (we had a summit of characters this time, in Sirion, at least). As the old people never claimed to have fought a great war before, or we never cared, we took the name. For me, in particular, this was the conflict that made Erik shine. So, from his perspective and his triumphs, that was the biggest of them all. For the next wars, at least Erik's descendants call it the War of the Traitors, or something like this.
But you do not consider the current war, or the last one where everyone (except Caligus) fought on either side as great wars?
As player? Maybe. If you ask my chars, just Sirion call it the Great War... because they won. I do not think they want to compare the destruction of Fontan/Westmoor/Sultanate with a war lead by traitors like Giselle and Garas... and consequently, those that came later because of this.
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In my view, there was only one true Great War, the war that ravaged (roughly) between Sirion/Fontan and Perdan/Oligarch/Avamar. The war waged for years (it was going a year or two before I joined in 2005, I think, and went until...2007? the end of 2006?). While there were some core realms that were consistent (Perdan and Sirion), other reams switched sides, rebellions were fought over who the realm would fight and not fight, civil wars/secessions raged over the same. South EC of Yssaria, Ibladesh, and Itorunt had different interests than those up north, but the war consumed them as part of the epic contest. The war affected every corner of EC and EC was defined by the war; EC was known as the best continent to jump into a war. It was thought it would never end. And then it did, EC got stuck in eternal peace, and Tom had to threaten to lightning bolt all the rulers to get the island moving again.
But I've noticed a tendency amongst BM players of labelling almost every war since then, and even during then on other continents, as 'the Great War'. I have long found it quite uncreative, but I've also come to realize that doing such is a simple way of glorifying one's own BM achievements by calling one's war great. My contention is not that there have not been wars that have been great, epic, or fun, but that if we call every war the Great War, all the wars lose their 'greatness', ie, 'so its as great as the other dozen great wars?', losing the meaning of being truly great.
And there's my schpeal on Great Wars apparently.
Fontan, Sultanate of Asena, Westmoor, Perdan and Obsidian Island vs Sirion (Old Rancagua, Caligus and Nivemus for short period). This war destroyed 4 realms (Old Rancagua, Fontan, Sultanate of Asena and Westmoor) ,created another (Nivemus) and re located another (Eponlly). It took like 5 years in real life with moments of higher activity than others and it had all the condiments to be called a Great War. I believe that only a player that did not participated could say this was not one of the most important and significative wars in the East Continent.
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I think you've confused several wars all at once. SoA was not created at the end of the Great War I was discussing. Nor were SoA and OR around when Eponllyn was around. If you were talking about the same Great War I was, Rancagua was also killed (amongst a long list of other realms killed throughout that war). There was also no five-OOC-year war in recent EC history. The war that saw Westmoor killed and Eponllyn relocated was only about half an OOC year in length. It's been a few years, but I think Fontan was killed in its own war, separately from Old Rancagua. As a participant in several of the wars you grouped together, they were indeed very fun and significant in the development towards what EC is now.
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I think you've confused several wars all at once. SoA was not created at the end of the Great War I was discussing. Nor were SoA and OR around when Eponllyn was around. If you were talking about the same Great War I was, Rancagua was also killed (amongst a long list of other realms killed throughout that war). There was also no five-OOC-year war in recent EC history. The war that saw Westmoor killed and Eponllyn relocated was only about half an OOC year in length. It's been a few years, but I think Fontan was killed in its own war, separately from Old Rancagua. As a participant in several of the wars you grouped together, they were indeed very fun and significant in the development towards what EC is now.
Lol im not confused. It was all part of the same war. Fontan created the SoA in Kazakh and wiped Old Rancagua. The rancaguan refugees fled to Sirion. Then Fontan and SoA war Sirion. Then Fontan sealed a pact with Westmoor and they invented some kind of story about Sirion kidnapping their king so they joined the war. With the 3 realms, they had Sirion only defending. Then Perdan and OI joined the other 3 realms. After a couple of big losses in Sermbar, Dobromir had Caligus join with Sirion and that put Perdan away. Sirion started to advance and broke Fontan. After destroying Fontan, Sirion head north and attacked SoA. OI seized the opportunity and switched sides to join Sirion. After SoA was destroyed, Nivemus was formed. There was a very small frame of time of peace until Perdan came back with Westmoor attacking the former Fontanesse lands (at that time in Sirions hands) with Atanamir as General. That small lapse took a few months and it ended up with the destruction of Westmoor and establishment of Eponyll on their place.
All those events, are linked and connected, and part of the same war. It took place from 2007 until 2014 but (if not mistaken) Old Rancagua fell around 2009 so what we can call as Great War took like 5 years.
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Yeah, that's my war. 8)
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Lol this is funny...both my accounts were in that war then :o
First account was one of the founders of SoA (included 2 dutchmen and still we didn't see the abbreviation mess up till it was too late...) and new accounted started at thd beginning of the athermath in which we (Sirion this time around) destroyed Westmoor.
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Lol this is funny...both my accounts were in that war then :o
First account was one of the founders of SoA (included 2 dutchmen and still we didn't see the abbreviation mess up till it was too late...) and new accounted started at thd beginning of the athermath in which we (Sirion this time around) destroyed Westmoor.
So you were a vassal of Kalkandellen.
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Heh. I was the general of Sirion who destroyed SoA. Was a good opportunity to build a name as Zakilevo. Blundered my first siege battle greatly. OI did nothing except send like 2k. At least they didn't stop Sirion from destroying SoA. Westmoor attacked Fontan out of greed while Sirion was finishing SoA. Went south to smash Westmoor and kept Fontan alive but Fontan died few months later and was absorbed by Sirion. By then Zakilevo was PM of Sirion. Took a month break due to some family matter then came back to take the rulership from Erik Eyolf who did nothing during the month I was away. People were pissed that Sirion's armies were moving back and forward between 2 regions chasing after Westmoor's army for 2 weeks. Webin was still the general but Zakilevo took all the power away from him and directly controlled the armies to attack Westmoor's regions directly. Westmoor was forced to meet Sirion's armies on the field and got smashed. They surrendered and decided to give Oligarch back when the lord of the city seceded to form Fane which took 2 siege attempts to bring it down. Wanted to help Caligus and southern realms but the council turned it down because they wanted peace. The war ended up getting most of southern realms severely weakened because Sirion bailed. I think this was the time Perdan reduced Caligus into a single duchy realm while carving out Perleone out of Eponllyn. Retired Zakilevo when the friction between Zakilevo and the council got pretty bad where the average players supported Zakilevo while dukes opposed. I guess I could have kept playing Zakilevo but I was pretty burned out by then. I think Ecthelion took over after?
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And yet, Sirion's history on wiki has not one war, but several distinct wars. And I'm sure I could probably dig up various surrender terms and peace treaties from those various wars, if I kept looking. And from my perspective playing outside Sirion in several of those wars, other realms viewed them as distinct wars with separate peace and surrender terms. In fact, Eponllyn history very clearly fought several separate wars with Perdan (from their founding until the end of your proposed timeline), with periods of peace in-between. By your telling, Westmoor was founded (it existed after SoA did) and destroyed in one long war that raged from 2008 until 2015. And yet, I'm certain I could also find several forum posts about people being bored on EC for lack of peace throughout those years.
Yes, the wars were connected, but only in the same way that WW2 was connected to WW2, yet without being the same war.
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There was somewhat of a long peace period between Westmoor's loss of Oligarch and their eventual destruction. By the time I quit, the southern realms were failing miserably against Perdan. Eponllyn led by Indirik was blaming Armonia for not coordinating with Caligus and Eponllyn while Armonia was blaming Eponllyn for not listening to what they agreed on. When Caligus started to lose badly, their southern duchy broke off and formed Fallangard which weakened Caligus even more.
So from the end of this first great war in many years, Perdan emerged victorious in the south while Sirion finally took Oligarch from Westmoor, weakening Westmoor significantly.
The later great war started when the ice started to kick people out of south. Armonia which lost most of its lands to ice lost what little left of their lands to Fallangard and was destroyed while Eponllyn packed their !@#$ and went north joining Sirion. When they got Oligarch, Perdan objected and declared war.
I actually happened to be on the both sides back then. One character in Westmoor while the other in Eponllyn. Spent my days insulting both of my characters.... sad stuff.
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And yet, Sirion's history on wiki has not one war, but several distinct wars. And I'm sure I could probably dig up various surrender terms and peace treaties from those various wars, if I kept looking. And from my perspective playing outside Sirion in several of those wars, other realms viewed them as distinct wars with separate peace and surrender terms. In fact, Eponllyn history very clearly fought several separate wars with Perdan (from their founding until the end of your proposed timeline), with periods of peace in-between. By your telling, Westmoor was founded (it existed after SoA did) and destroyed in one long war that raged from 2008 until 2015. And yet, I'm certain I could also find several forum posts about people being bored on EC for lack of peace throughout those years.
Yes, the wars were connected, but only in the same way that WW2 was connected to WW2, yet without being the same war.
So, if its not in the wiki, it did not happened? Lol, Sirion's wiki does not even say half of what happened.
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I updated what happened during my time but Ecthelion did not. I doubt Ivo did it either.
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So you were a vassal of Kalkandellen.
More partner than vassal, but yeah. I became the first Duke + Lord of Kazakh and did virtually all of the arguing in the Senate as well as spokeperson (that's why Garas is part Dubhaine hehe). Good times, massive uproar in Fontan's Assembly when the plans leaked.
@Lapallanch sonyou destroyed SoA, damn you! :D
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More partner than vassal, but yeah. I became the first Duke + Lord of Kazakh and did virtually all of the arguing in the Senate as well as spokeperson (that's why Garas is part Dubhaine hehe). Good times, massive uproar in Fontan's Assembly when the plans leaked.
@Lapallanch sonyou destroyed SoA, damn you! :D
Indeed. Miriam never forgave me for that XD. Took years to isolate SoA. All I did was finish them off by taking all their cities. Nothing special.
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Yep, Erik did nothing... lol. He just put Atanamir and Perdan out of the fight so Sirion can fight Westmoor alone.
But about Erik and Zakilevo, the best was when he tried to separate the Duchies...
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I updated what happened during my time but Ecthelion did not. I doubt Ivo did it either.
The major part of the war took part between 2008 until we took Fontan city and handeled to Dobromir pretty much ending Fontan and thus SoA. Theres pretty much nothing written there.
Eduardo must remember when i asked Erik to buy Negev. He was mad to use his family gold. That allowed us to start the takeover of Fontan city.
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...He just put Atanamir and Perdan out of the fight so Sirion can fight Westmoor alone.
While I absolutely do not deny Sirion provided the bulk of military power, and the war could've never been won without them, Sirion was never alone in putting Atanamir and Perdan out of the fight, or fighting Westmoor. Furthermore, Perdan wasn't out of the fight before Westmoor. We killed Westmoor (begrudgingly, offering them to please stop their foolish war against us, to no avail), and then fought Perdan to a surrender (which they then proceeded to violate sometime later).
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While I absolutely do not deny Sirion provided the bulk of military power, and the war could've never been won without them, Sirion was never alone in putting Atanamir and Perdan out of the fight, or fighting Westmoor. Furthermore, Perdan wasn't out of the fight before Westmoor. We killed Westmoor (begrudgingly, offering them to please stop their foolish war against us, to no avail), and then fought Perdan to a surrender (which they then proceeded to violate sometime later).
You are getting confused. He is talking about the time when he was the PM. This is before the creation of Perleone when Eponllyn still had lands in south....
Only reason why Perdan stopped fighting Sirion back then was not because Erik took them out of the war. It was because Perdan was busy fighting Armonia, Caligus and Eponllyn all at once. Erik actually became unpopular because he was getting too friendly with Atanamir and even signed a peace treaty which people were unhappy about. And of course I won the following election by criticizing Erik heavily on his 'achievement' which worked (Zakilevo got 100 votes while Erik got 46).
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I just realized Ivo is no longer Sirion's PM. Did he not run or did he lose to Thomas?
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Ivo decided not to seek re-election. He'd already stayed in office a lot longer than he wanted. Thomas then won the election.
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It was because Perdan was busy fighting Armonia, Caligus and Eponllyn all at once.
Oh. That war. To be fair, Eponllyn did most of the fighting in that war against Perdan. And by fighting, I largely mean being slaughtered, raped, and starved into surrender of half the realm (Ibladesh and Al Arab) after the allies Armonia and Caligus encouraged Eponllyn into the war by offering their support, fought a couple battles with Perdan, and then surrendered to Perdan, without a word to their ally Eponllyn, with barely any loss of land to Perdan on their part. Worthless allies. I do also recall Sirion whooping Westmoor and Westmoorian colonists joining Perdan's Perleone puppet.
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Atanamir was attacking Nivemus and looting northern Sirion. Of course, he tried to bite too much and I took advantage.
Erik then won royal title and at the time it was all I needed to avoid stupid Judges trying to banish him while he stayed with Avamar, Krimml, Oligarch... if you ask me, that was much better than be PM, a title I wanted just because of immunity. With that I had a word on how to divide the new duchies without bow to Zakilevo and another old farts in the Council.
Win/win. Let the war to the Generals and took the fame worked very well for him. Never cared with tatics, formations and strategy... my strategy was political, appointing right people for the right positions and supporting good Generals. It worked for a long time, but I like character progression and it was normal to turn him in a 'villain' in the end of his life, after deal with so much power. If you compare the old Erik to the young Judge/Cavalier, that's quite a visible change.
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...This is extremely entertaining to watch, by the way.
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What is the requirement of becoming a royal? And what does it do?
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Becoming a ruler. If you step down after not ruling long enough (about 3 months, I think), you lose royalty. If you leave the realm or island, you lose royalty.
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Atanamir was attacking Nivemus and looting northern Sirion. Of course, he tried to bite too much and I took advantage.
Erik then won royal title and at the time it was all I needed to avoid stupid Judges trying to banish him while he stayed with Avamar, Krimml, Oligarch... if you ask me, that was much better than be PM, a title I wanted just because of immunity. With that I had a word on how to divide the new duchies without bow to Zakilevo and another old farts in the Council.
Win/win. Let the war to the Generals and took the fame worked very well for him. Never cared with tatics, formations and strategy... my strategy was political, appointing right people for the right positions and supporting good Generals. It worked for a long time, but I like character progression and it was normal to turn him in a 'villain' in the end of his life, after deal with so much power. If you compare the old Erik to the young Judge/Cavalier, that's quite a visible change.
Uhh no. Erik didn't keep his royal status. He never was a royal duke except the time he was on the throne which was about a month. You need to be a ruler long enough to unlock the last ruler fame point I believe. So yeah Erik's plan failed. Should have ruled better XD
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I missed the part about 'what does royalty do'. Royalty prevents the judge from banning you. Also, a title at the end of your messages.
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- Also, for the shortened title in game-generated texts (Title Name) where only your most important title is used, Royal of RealmName will be used for non-rulers, rather than any other titles they hold.
- If a royal is tortured or executed, the judge loses more prestige and honour than usual.
- Dukes can swear allegiance to royals at tournaments.
- Dukes can swear allegiance to royals whose characters are visiting their duchy.
- Dukes can swear allegiance to royals if they're both within the same region.
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Erik didn't keep his royal status.
I'm pretty sure he did. Never cared with the fame points. I had another rulers in the family.
So yeah Erik's plan failed. Should have ruled better
It worked exactly as he wanted and in the time he wanted, rearranging the regions the way he tought most appropriate. The fact that people changed it after he was deleted no longer concerns me. Also, at that time Erik was courting the idea of becoming King himself, so ruling Sirion "well" was never the priority. As I said, his role was to secure the position of the right people. Compare the power he had to the power of a PM... many of you were PM, how many of you have had 3 cities and 7 regions, plus Trinbar and its gold!? That's what I thought XD
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Jeeze, did he bathe in gold?!
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He did, lol.
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my 2 cents
If it's not called some version of the Xavax Wars or the Southern War, then we should just call it the War of Many Names and have done with it.
Anyway, when is Calivax getting founded?
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I'm pretty sure he did. Never cared with the fame points. I had another rulers in the family.
He did while he was the PM. But the moment he lost the election, he lost it. Reread what I said. You misunderstood what I said. I did not mean you need the fame points. What I meant was you need to stay on the throne that long (according to Vita about 90 days) to be able to KEEP your royal status. If you lose the ruler title before that it doesn't stay permanently. It disappears the moment you lose the ruler status. That is why you need to stay on the throne for 3 months.
Erik should probably never have run for the position to be honest. I felt he actually lost some popularity from his non-core supporters after what he did as the PM. When I came back after a month, people were sending private messages on how bad Sirion had become during my absence. People hated two things the most. Webin as the general because he was just horrendously bad and Erik as the PM for signing the peace treaty to ditch allies. Then again thanks to Erik's blunder, Zakilevo could be re-elected right away despite the council being really not happy with him.
But it was good that you only was the PM for a month. Otherwise you would be hating Sirion as much as I do. I think only Gabanus hates it as much as I do.
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He did while he was the PM. But the moment he lost the election, he lost it. Reread what I said. You misunderstood what I said. I did not mean you need the fame points. What I meant was you need to stay on the throne that long (according to Vita about 90 days) to be able to KEEP your royal status. If you lose the ruler title before that it doesn't stay permanently. It disappears the moment you lose the ruler status. That is why you need to stay on the throne for 3 months.
Erik should probably never have run for the position to be honest. I felt he actually lost some popularity from his non-core supporters after what he did as the PM. When I came back after a month, people were sending private messages on how bad Sirion had become during my absence. People hated two things the most. Webin as the general because he was just horrendously bad and Erik as the PM for signing the peace treaty to ditch allies. Then again thanks to Erik's blunder, Zakilevo could be re-elected right away despite the council being really not happy with him.
But it was good that you only was the PM for a month. Otherwise you would be hating Sirion as much as I do. I think only Gabanus hates it as much as I do.
I'm not sure it's 90 days. Might be 90 days if you step down. I think a month is enough if you are defeated by elections. I vaguely recall it having a bunch of arcane nuances, but in some situations not being all that hard to get at all.
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Becoming a ruler. If you step down after not ruling long enough (about 3 months, I think), you lose royalty. If you leave the realm or island, you lose royalty.
I'm not sure it's 90 days. Might be 90 days if you step down. I think a month is enough if you are defeated by elections. I vaguely recall it having a bunch of arcane nuances, but in some situations not being all that hard to get at all.
So who is right?
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So who is right?
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1) "I think", he's not sure (to be fair, neither am I).
2) keyword "step down". I do think I remember it being longer if you step down on your own than if you are beaten in elections (which includes if you don't run).
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Indeed, I was not sure about the *exact* timelength, but I suspected it was 3 months/90-100(third ruler famepoint) days. Step down is critical. I don't believe you lose royalty for losing an election, only for actively abdicating the throne.
For future reference upon disagreements about game mechanics, Anaris or I am most likely to be correct, generally speaking. We are not infallible, after all. Wimpie, Antonine, or anyone else with developer access to code, is also more likely to be correct than those without access.
Now, I'm going to go look up the specific answers within the code:
- You may lose royalty for stepping down and also for being protested out of office.
- You need to hold the throne for at least 60 days.
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Indeed, I was not sure about the *exact* timelength, but I suspected it was 3 months/90-100(third ruler famepoint) days. Step down is critical. I don't believe you lose royalty for losing an election, only for actively abdicating the throne.
For future reference upon disagreements about game mechanics, Anaris or I am most likely to be correct, generally speaking. We are not infallible, after all. Wimpie, Antonine, or anyone else with developer access to code, is also more likely to be correct than those without access.
Now, I'm going to go look up the specific answers within the code:
- You may lose royalty for stepping down and also for being protested out of office.
- You need to hold the throne for at least 60 days.
You the man.
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Well that was certainly a great war. Fontan was insane with letters back then.
But you do not consider the current war, or the last one where everyone (except Caligus) fought on either side as great wars?
As Vita say in one of his posts, I guess we each have our own realm definition of great war. For Nivemus armies that largely untested during Sirion-Fontan war, it was Perdan march to the north, which grown from Perdan-Nivemus war to Perdan/Obsidian Islands/Westmoor against Sirion/Nivemus/Eponllyn war.
The major part of the war took part between 2008 until we took Fontan city and handeled to Dobromir pretty much ending Fontan and thus SoA. Theres pretty much nothing written there.
Yeah, I remember Zadek and someone Fontan PM who asked for Dobromir who is Caligus King to give us Fontan city, since Fontan cannot live without its namesake city. Do not know what cause Dobromir to be angry with Fontan PM though, maybe some Fontan PM tongues not that diplomatic or Dobromir likes the city so much to give it up.
I like the war between Fontan and Sirion. This is where Brock built up his finance profile, as Fontan Banker, he supplied much of Fontan army and kept the nobles fund requests fulfilled. He was known as best finance manager there, a reputation that he later took when he was forced to join Nivemus as Fontan fall.
It worked exactly as he wanted and in the time he wanted, rearranging the regions the way he tought most appropriate. The fact that people changed it after he was deleted no longer concerns me. Also, at that time Erik was courting the idea of becoming King himself, so ruling Sirion "well" was never the priority. As I said, his role was to secure the position of the right people. Compare the power he had to the power of a PM... many of you were PM, how many of you have had 3 cities and 7 regions, plus Trinbar and its gold!? That's what I thought XD
My character Brock is no PM, but he is King. And he rules 4 cities and definitely more than 7 regions.
I am thinking of a significant finale for Brock. With Garas insulting him in front of many realms nobles, it looks like a good chance.
I'm not sure it's 90 days. Might be 90 days if you step down. I think a month is enough if you are defeated by elections. I vaguely recall it having a bunch of arcane nuances, but in some situations not being all that hard to get at all.
Now, I'm going to go look up the specific answers within the code:
- You may lose royalty for stepping down and also for being protested out of office.
- You need to hold the throne for at least 60 days.
Thank you Vita again :)
Then I guess my character on Colonies island who maintain his Royal status even after he stepped down as Oritolon Ruler, he must have meet the requirements to remain Royal. "May" meaning here refer to may or may not.
I think Chenier could be right after all about 90 days and Vita about not being protested out of office requirements.
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If it wasn't clear, you lose royalty if you step down or are protested from office before you've held the throne 60 days. Once you've held the throne for 60 days, you can step down or be protested from office, and not lose royalty status.
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Otherwise you would be hating Sirion as much as I do. I think only Gabanus hates it as much as I do.
But I still love Sirion... it's just need some hard work now with old people leaving. And the Royal thing was more of a backup plan. Even being hated, Erik married with Judge Sophia and that was enough to continue going down in popularity, lol.
My character Brock is no PM, but he is King. And he rules 4 cities and definitely more than 7 regions.
The key here is "no PM, but he is King". It's like to compare apples to bananas... Erik was just Duke. If Sirion was a Monarchy and he the King... see?
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But I still love Sirion... it's just need some hard work now with old people leaving. And the Royal thing was more of a backup plan. Even being hated, Erik married with Judge Sophia and that was enough to continue going down in popularity, lol.
Most old guards I know have left.
Oh yes. For this war, I hear I need thank you someone. So here you go.
P/S: Thank you our former Duke Daniel for his sacrifice will not be forgotten in vain. If it was not for him, the South Alliance will have win by now. He somehow becomes NA greatest strength which is incredible the way he left the game. Only NA know how he sacrifice for us all :o
The key here is "no PM, but he is King". It's like to compare apples to bananas... Erik was just Duke. If Sirion was a Monarchy and he the King... see?
Yes indeed you right ;)
Maybe Brock should have become Fontan Prime Minister then, to match comparison with Sirion Prime Minister. After all, Brock the Fontan Banker had fund many nobles, enough to gather supports if he was to run for PM election. That is "What If" scenario 8)
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Daniel... I miss him. The relationship between our chars began with hate and ended in great things.
PS: Erik saved the White Tree... no one saved the Church of the Sacred Grove! Damn you all!!!! >:(
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Daniel... I miss him. The relationship between our chars began with hate and ended in great things.
PS: Erik saved the White Tree... no one saved the Church of the Sacred Grove! Damn you all!!!! >:(
Glad that WoW copying religion is dead. It was so stupid... Nobody in the elder council wanted to change that. It was just there to prevent other religions. It was nothing special. I tried to change it once but Ecthelion never gave me an elder position :p
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It's not about the religion being good or not, just the fact that people let it die. I will try to start a new one... I like the New Temple you created. The problem is the lack of Priests these days...
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The problem is the lack of Priests these days...
Part of *that* problem is every priest wants their own religion to do their own thing. So instead of cooperating with fellow players to build Awesome, everyone does their own thing and they all stink, and thus often die when their founder goes. Religion is best when there are a small (3-4) number per island, with each religion spread across multiple realms. The smaller religions get, the more often they are seen as just extensions of one's realm politics.
The advantage SA had is it was a new continent without pre-existing realms (as when religions were created, they were often realm religions to maintain realm control) and players willing to cooperate to build something new. That is why it was so successful, for many years.
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Not only that, but said religion(s) encouraged internal debate/conflict and unity alike, rather than push away everyone who deviates from the norm in any way.
As it goes, its much more fun to have little factions within a faith than to force a schism and see old (possibly new?) faith(s) weakened as a result.
Sorry if I'm tooting JV's horn, but the whole OS thing is a damn fine example of chaos within order, unity within strife. :) May it grow to SA proportions some day.
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Not only that, but said religion(s) encouraged internal debate/conflict and unity alike, rather than push away everyone who deviates from the norm in any way.
Indeed. Though it can be a fine line. With ESA, we had 'official' stances. But we also tolerated/turned-a-blind-eye/encouraged (depended upon the specific char, really) innovation/deviation (again, perspective of individual characters). I tried to avoid pushing people out for minor theological flavor differences for the very reason you mention in your next sentence. Meanwhile, SA took extremely hardline views about heretical beliefs, expelling characters. ESA may have opposed its heresy, but we tried to reform you, if there was any hope left for you, which there usually was. ;) Thus, we had sartanists, bloodmoon cultists, pyrists, and a few other flavors of ESA members.
As it goes, its much more fun to have little factions within a faith than to force a schism and see old (possibly new?) faith(s) weakened as a result.
Yes. Absolutely. Better to have one engaging, dynamic religion than two silent, stagnant religions.
Sorry if I'm tooting JV's horn, but the whole OS thing is a damn fine example of chaos within order, unity within strife. :) May it grow to SA proportions some day.
So I've gathered. Toot away! But do clean the horn's mouthpiece first before you give it back to JeVondair. We could use more such dynamic institutions within the game.
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ESA sounds like the best route, as far as the explanation goes.
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Alas, its dead, stagnant, and probably a husk of its old self, which was still a work in progress. Between my character, who founded it, and a few other supporters getting discouraged with maintaining it, its fallen to the wayside like most religions. Maybe it'll have a renaissance one day. Or maybe not. *shrugs*.
On a brighter note, Gabanus family was one of those supporters and now he's busy with the Heralds. Still trying to achieve the same thing OOCly, just with different IC characters, religions, and continents now. :)
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Part of *that* problem is every priest wants their own religion to do their own thing. So instead of cooperating with fellow players to build Awesome, everyone does their own thing and they all stink, and thus often die when their founder goes. Religion is best when there are a small (3-4) number per island, with each religion spread across multiple realms. The smaller religions get, the more often they are seen as just extensions of one's realm politics.
The advantage SA had is it was a new continent without pre-existing realms (as when religions were created, they were often realm religions to maintain realm control) and players willing to cooperate to build something new. That is why it was so successful, for many years.
Indeed, and that was true since a long time. Even in the Blood Cult's early days, I really tried hard to federate other people interested in the priest game to a common religion, and intentionally made the church structure as adapted to that model as possible.
Most people did not want to fold. Can't completely blame them, the way religions are set up gives absolute control to the one with the top rank. Second rank has zero power in comparison.
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I remember when I created the Bloodspeakers in Melhed... I tried to incentive people along the idea of "regional" gods, so the Lords or Knights of a specific region can created his own "Old Gods".
Guess what... I had to do everything almost alone. Even in Sirion, most of time I was the only one using religious reference.
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I remember when I created the Bloodspeakers in Melhed... I tried to incentive people along the idea of "regional" gods, so the Lords or Knights of a specific region can created his own "Old Gods".
Guess what... I had to do everything almost alone. Even in Sirion, most of time I was the only one using religious reference.
Yea, a few people tried to do that, I don't think trying to involve people not all that vested in the religious game into being responsible of it all frequently worked. The "DYO God" religions seemed to mostly revolve around the founder trying to beg people to join and add their content, with very little success.
The Blood Cult used a slightly different spin, as I didn't target random people to make their own gods, I targeted people already or previously involved in religions. Priests and ex-priests, largely, or people I knew had played religious characters. Then I offered them a framework into which it was easy to port material, without it all just kind of hanging out in the void.
Had some advanced talks with members of existing religions to merge, but not much success, as merging implies losing one religion's temples, treasury, members, followers, and sovereignty. I had much more success with people involved in unofficial religions or with deceased religions, and that came to be the active core of the religion that had tentacles over half the realms and some meaningful direct power in specific areas (despite an utterly "in your face" evil dogma), where mutual compromise and collaboration meant everybody got to do their thing while also furthering a collective agenda.
In my opinion, this is the most effective strategy, but I've not really seen others do it. Religions are usually handled in one of two extremes, either "here I wrote the whole bible you should all praise my creation" or "here I've got an empty book you should all fill it for me".
It's somewhat ironic that the game's most successful religion, from my perspective at least, never really interested people much at all. I don't remember really hearing much passion favorable to SA's theology, but it was just really at the right place at the right time. People wanted *a* religion, and it offered a frame that was not overly unpalatable to anyone. A whole new continent opening, with huge hype about it and its roleplay potential, and it was the only theocracy of the land. Perfect circumstances, really.
But even this is, largely, an extension of the strategy I mentioned above. For a religion to go far, you need to attract players who care about the religion game. Priests, but not only priests. A pious duke can be much more of a boon than a lazy priest.
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In my humble opinion, SA is more successful not because it's a religion, but an "ecclesiastical house" for disputes of egos and power. Basically, politics with some theological terms.
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In my humble opinion, SA is more successful not because it's a religion, but an "ecclesiastical house" for disputes of egos and power. Basically, politics with some theological terms.
Agreed. The whole was still properly executed to allow it to flourish, had another religion been founded by someone else in Morek, it would not have been guaranteed to end up with the same success.
But it still had an immeasurable advantage over any other religion the game ever saw.
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A great battle took place today.
And my character is tanking many damages. 8008 hits, I never hear this number before.
White Tree Guardians (47) take 8008 hits from archer fire, which cause 124 casualties, wiping the unit out.
NA attackers.
SA defenders.
Total:
49 attackers (1345 Inf, 127 MI, 1360 Arch, 25 Cav, 351 SF)
38 defenders (989 Inf, 1091 Arch, 161 Cav, 218 SF)
Total combat strengths: 37826 vs. 28706
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Now, after the holidays and drink myself, I can bring my new char to the next campaign. A new Serpentis arise!!! 8)
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Life in Perdan
https://imgur.com/a/ASfubmq
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Perdan has a capital.
It just keeps playing musical realms and musical dukes after one traitor after another grabs control and takes it elsewhere because he can....
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Here's something to wet the appetites of those who weren't present. The wind really favoured the North's advantage in infantry, but the archers carried the day still.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Vix_Tiramora/War_Archives/Battle_of_Sorcery (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Vix_Tiramora/War_Archives/Battle_of_Sorcery)
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And here goes Highmarch...
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Can someone sum up the current status on THE WAR? Who's fighting who now and why? Who's 'winning'? Which nation is currently strongest? Thanks!
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Right now, it's basically:
Perleone vs Minas Nova and Alara
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Vix, Fallangard, and Perdan vs Highmarch, Caligus, Eponnlyn, Shadowdale, Sirion, Redhaven, and Nivemus.
Perleone seems to be losing. I'll let you guess which side is winning on the other war. ;)
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Sirion, Nivemus, Shadowdale, Eponllyn, Caligus and Redhaven are the northern side, now plus Highmarch which recently flipped to join the north. Perdan, Vix Tiramora, Fallangard and Obsidian Islands are the southern side. But Obsidian Islands isn't doing much (as usual ;) ). It's mainly Perdan and Vix Tiramora doing the fighting for the south, although Fallangard is doing okay at participating considering its size. From my perspective, I'd say the north is winning, but its very slow progress. Some people might say the war is bogged down in the Highmarch/Perdan section of the map, but I'd say the north is gradually chipping away at the southern lands. It's hard to say which nation is the strongest. I think Sirion is fieldling the most CS at the moment, but Perdan and Vix Tiramora are both pretty strong too. Nivemus would also be in the mix when they're at full strength.
The far south of the map has its own war going on. Perleone against Alara and Minas Nova. I can't say who's winning. Just looking at the map, you'd think Perleone was doing badly. But I don't think the map tells the full story. Alara appears to have lost several regions in past few days. Perleone is also probably the potentially strongest of the three far southerners.
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Well Highmarch only recently flipped, and Perleone only recently declared war on Minas Nova.
Some months back, Highmarch, Perleone, Alara, and Minas Nova were with Vix, Fallangard, and Perdan against the rest of the North.
Obsidian Islands is as irrelevant as ever. Technically aligned with the South, they spend their days pathetically taking, and then systematically losing, the worst region in the game.
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Ehrendill will arrive in Perleone soon - with dreams to stop or help them win the war so an unified south can give the north a good fight before Perdan disappear. 8)
North vs South!!!! er... I said SOUTH vs the North!
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Vix and Perdan started double-crossing Highmarch, so Highmarch decided to flip to get revenge. Meanwhile the far south boiled over into long overdue open conflict.
(https://i.imgur.com/6Lwn8fL.jpg)
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Looks like Caligus will finally be able to kill Edvard and reclaim their city. How long has it been? 5 years?
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Looks like Caligus will finally be able to kill Edvard and reclaim their city. How long has it been? 5 years?
The irony is that Edvard's the one insisting on being in this position. Highmarch always fought to have the North let Fallangard be, but... we grew tired of them constantly helping Vix out against us, and them looting Winkamus was the last straw.
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The irony is that Edvard's the one insisting on being in this position. Highmarch always fought to have the North let Fallangard be, but... we grew tired of them constantly helping Vix out against us, and them looting Winkamus was the last straw.
That's nonsense. Maybe Mathias didn't want to war them, but Caligus/north would've definately moved anyway. Highmarch is allowed to fight, but I doubt you actually decide on the targets.
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Sure, you think that. 8)
In any case, I was mostly referring to the diplomatic situation. Mathias had negotiated an arrangement for them where they would have lost nothing. And then even when they refused it, Highmarch had not taken any actions against them until they started helping with TOs against us, at which point we only aided others TO Supra, since Supra borders our capital. Had they not looted Winkamus, we'd probably not be looting Mashhad right now. Can't say for sure, we were getting pretty annoyed by then already, but that really put everyone on the same page.
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That's nonsense. Maybe Mathias didn't want to war them, but Caligus/north would've definately moved anyway.
No, the north wouldn't. Thomas spent several real life months arranging the Highmarch/Fallangard treaty with the north and getting Caligus onboard. Had Fallangard accepted the treaty, it could have walked away from the war losing nothing and it wouldn't have been under any threat from the north for the duration of the war. Once the war is over, Fallangard and Caligus would then have been left to sort out the issues between them in what ever way they saw fit (that was written in to a previous version of the treaty, but I can't remember the wording. I rewrote that treaty so many times....).
Obviously, I can't predict whether Caligus and Fallangard would have ended up fighting again. Relations between Fallangard and Caligus might have improved under influence on Caligus from some of the other northern realms. But Highmarch was incredibly protective of Fallangard throughout the treaty negotiations, so Highmarch would probably have sided with Fallangard in a Fallangard/Caligus war. But it's hard to predict these 'might have been' scenarios.
Fallangard made a huge mistake in rejecting the treaty (I know they probably don't see it that way, however) and in then burning their bridges with Highmarch.
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I was speaking in the case that they had already rejected your treaty.
Sure they had the option to betray their allies and lose no lands in the short term, but I would not consider them rejecting it to be the wrong move. Some prefer to fight and stand by their allies rather than turn on them. If you look solely at the realm regions etc, yes then it was a huge mistake, but otherwise it wasn't (or doesn't have to be depending on your priorities and your char's sense of honor etc).
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No, the north wouldn't. Thomas spent several real life months arranging the Highmarch/Fallangard treaty with the north and getting Caligus onboard. Had Fallangard accepted the treaty, it could have walked away from the war losing nothing and it wouldn't have been under any threat from the north for the duration of the war. Once the war is over, Fallangard and Caligus would then have been left to sort out the issues between them in what ever way they saw fit (that was written in to a previous version of the treaty, but I can't remember the wording. I rewrote that treaty so many times....).
Obviously, I can't predict whether Caligus and Fallangard would have ended up fighting again. Relations between Fallangard and Caligus might have improved under influence on Caligus from some of the other northern realms. But Highmarch was incredibly protective of Fallangard throughout the treaty negotiations, so Highmarch would probably have sided with Fallangard in a Fallangard/Caligus war. But it's hard to predict these 'might have been' scenarios.
Fallangard made a huge mistake in rejecting the treaty (I know they probably don't see it that way, however) and in then burning their bridges with Highmarch.
Aramon was in support of giving Fallangard an easy way out of the war, and would have likely supported them later if Caligus had moved against them, given that they're historically allies of Greater Xavax. If Highmarch and Caligus can bury the hatchet (even temporarily) given the history there, there was hope for Fallangard and Caligus.
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Well, it came down to picking their allies: Vix and Perdan, or Highmarch? The rest were irrelevant. Heck at first, it was really: Highmarch or Perdan?
But Edvard had too much resentment for Caligus. He was unwilling to give them anything, even if he had no say in that, given all the ceded lands currently belonged to Highmarch, and Highmarch was going through with it regardless.
It wasn't just a bad move because they'll lose regions out of it (and possibly their entire existence if they keep at it), but they are also alienating their most devout ally: Highmarch. Highmarch was willing to give more to the North so that Fallangard wouldn't have to. It was willing to put the whole treaty, and thus its survival, in peril, just to give Fallangard a chance. It then went to great pains to tiptoe around Fallangard.
Highmarch showed more dedication to Fallangard than it could ever expect from the realms it chose to stay aligned to. They chose to be Vix's tools rather than remain Highmarch's brothers. They didn't have to betray Highmarch, they chose to. Staying completely neutral in the conflict was totally a possibility. As was soloing Caligus.
Edvard had a lot of choices, and all of them were better for Fallangard than the one he picked. Attacking Highmarch directly, and continuously escalating the pressure against them... was a bad move, all-around.
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Just because Highmarch turned traitor and decided to betray their allies does not mean that Fallangard has to choose the same path.
They chose to honor their alliances and hold to them, even when matters got difficult.
There is no question that Highmarch's betrayal is the greatest shift in the North-South War since the CREATION of Highmarch.
But there are trends in war. Sometimes the lines go north. Sometimes they go south. Right now they are going south, and the times are tough for Perdan, Vix, and Fallangard.
There's no question there.
But I think there is more fight in the South than the North expects.
Unfortunately, a good bit of that fight is not fighting the North...:(
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It's not the first time Fallangard has screwed their most devout ally.
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Of course, they were free to chose as they willed. Highmarch viewed them as brothers, not vassals.
It remains a poor decision on all accounts, in my books, about the worst they could have made.
Highmarch turned on Perdan, and Perdan only. Vix's decision to stand by Perdan was much more grounded than Fallangard's decision to do the same. Highmarch's new position made Vix vulnerable, but did no such thing to Fallangard. The only way Fallangard could come out losing from Highmarch' flip is by going after Highmarch themselves. They really shot themselves in the foot. They could have went to attack Caligus, draw forces away from Vix and Highmarch, instead of joining in with Vix and looting Winkamus.
And it's not like they'll gain anything from this. They picked the losing side, and put themselves in an extremely vulnerable position doing so.
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Of course, they were free to chose as they willed. Highmarch viewed them as brothers, not vassals.
It remains a poor decision on all accounts, in my books, about the worst they could have made.
Highmarch turned on Perdan, and Perdan only. Vix's decision to stand by Perdan was much more grounded than Fallangard's decision to do the same. Highmarch's new position made Vix vulnerable, but did no such thing to Fallangard. The only way Fallangard could come out losing from Highmarch' flip is by going after Highmarch themselves. They really shot themselves in the foot. They could have went to attack Caligus, draw forces away from Vix and Highmarch, instead of joining in with Vix and looting Winkamus.
And it's not like they'll gain anything from this. They picked the losing side, and put themselves in an extremely vulnerable position doing so.
But anyone that goes against you makes their decisions bad. ;D
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Can't we all just agree that Octavian is best suited to rule the EC as god emperor?
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But anyone that goes against you makes their decisions bad. ;D
Well, of course, but in Fallangard's case it was particularly bad.
You don't see me saying how bad it was for Perleone, after all. It was still a bad decision, but not as much. ;)
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Turned only on Perdan? Who are you trying to kid here? Don't get me wrong I enjoy the propaganda attempt, byt the north would go after Vix anyway. They'd be screwed if they'd let the north destroy Perdan first, let alone the moral dilemma.
And I still believe FG did not make a foolish decision. They chose to honor their allies rather than betray them. There's a good argument for that. FG felt HM's action a betrayel and acted accordingly. Not sure why that's so bad? Unless of course you're HM.
*Edit you also forget that everyone has seen the deal you made. Most Perdanese lands are decided by tye north and thus go to Epponlyn. FG's lands go to Caligus and if you take more land so will Domus. The only expansion option for HM is into Vix. So yeah your deal is not just anti Perdan is it?
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Nah, I don't forgot that other saw the treaty. You just have zero understanding of what's going on. But to elaborate would be to reveal too much that isn't public.
Highmarch was only going to declare war on Perdan. Vix had a choice, and it made that choice before we even did anything. Did Vix have good reason to go to war with Highmarch? Sure. But, unlike Perdan, they had the choice not to.
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Sure. There was no choice. The hatred towards Vix in the north is large enough. What HM does beyond warring Perdan is irrelevant cause had Vix not aided, they'd be next no matter what.
You flipped, fine, but can you please stop making it sound like you flipped for the betterment of Vix or FG? :o
You want Perdan dead, fine, but others not agreeing with that and choosing their allies is not a bad decision. Maybe in terms of lands...but there are so many other factors at play.
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Sure. There was no choice. The hatred towards Vix in the north is large enough. What HM does beyond warring Perdan is irrelevant cause had Vix not aided, they'd be next no matter what.
You flipped, fine, but can you please stop making it sound like you flipped for the betterment of Vix or FG? :o
You want Perdan dead, fine, but others not agreeing with that and choosing their allies is not a bad decision. Maybe in terms of lands...but there are so many other factors at play.
Never said it was for the bettermer of Vix or Fallangard. Nor did I say it was a bad decision for Vix to oppose us.
It was, however, a bad decision for Fallangard to do so. They alienate a realm that cared for them in favor of a realm that treated them like dirt. Meanwhile, they get the worst of the pressure from the war effort, and may very well die. In the end, their sacrifice will be pointless, it'll have been but a speed bump that gives the North an extra city to fund the war against Vix and Perdan, which it wouldn't have had if they'd at least have stayed neutral.
By attacking and looting Highmarch, they made all the worst decisions, regardless of their motivations, because they'll fail at everything. They end up with no realm, no friends, and no accomplishments, all while helping those they chose to oppose by handing them more regions.
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Except FG is not treated like dirt and clearly does not feel as such, they will end up with friends unlike HM and they did not see HM as caring for them.
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Except FG is not treated like dirt and clearly does not feel as such, they will end up with friends unlike HM and they did not see HM as caring for them.
I am gonna have to polity disagree with this statement. Highmarch has more friends now than it had during its alliance with the South. Vix always hated the fact that Higmarch was draining their funds, at one point they completely stopped giving funds to its defense and even went as far as to withdraw troops to show Highmarch that it was dependent on them for its survival. Perdan broke treaties with Highmarch in regards to Meuse/Mullhouse and always just went back to the Perdan Mines issue when asked about it. (Even though the Perdan Mines issue goes back a long way, and has a lot of History behind it)
Lets not even talk about the Alara/Minas Nova vs Perloane/Vix debacle going on. Highmarch did warn Alara that this was coming long before we left the Southern Alliance.
As for Fallangard, there was never any intent to attack them or declare war until they started looting Highmarch lands. This is the saddest thing about this war, as i would say that no one in Highmarch wants to fight Fallangard, they where the only ones not planning to sell out Highmarch during the negotiations with the north. You should really have been more careful with your backdoor dealings in regards to putting Highmarch on the block to save your own necks. You left Highmarch no choice but to flip. There was no way Highmarch could have survived with the entire South and North turning on them to get the territories, this way Highmarch has a chance to survive , where before it had none.
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Except that the south would not sell out HM and in fact stated multiple times any peace would have to be acceptable to HM as well.
Perdan did not break treaties with HM (I know cause I was there when the matter was handled when Arthur first flipped Perdan Duchy) although I can understand how HM was not happy. And the history of Perdan Mines was simple. When Arthur agreed to bring back Perdan Duchy first time (and became King after that) the Lord of Perdan Mines refused to return with him. Meuse Mullhouse fall in the same category but Perdan allowed use of the regions...sort of, as HM lacked funds and had nobles. In reality Arthur asked the regions back multiple times but HM kept stalling the matter, holding on to them (again I know cause I helped in the stalling of it).
And FG felt HM betraying them and acted accordingly. They did not wish to betray their allies. Not sure why that's considered so wrong and foolish.
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You failed at getting peace with the North now, what makes you think you would have done better before? Mathias was at it for months. White peace was impossible. And with the SA being stupid, Highmarch was !@#$ed by the status quo. To keep at the war, with Vix constantly withholding troops and funding and being fickle asses, and the deep south no longer contributing squat... Highmarch would have fallen. Because everyone in the SA decided they had other priorities. We were bled out and left on our own.
We could have gone the Fallangard path of pursuing a senseless death. Or we could have sacrificed ourselves to grant the rest of SA peace, maybe. But by then, we were just sick of all of SA's !@#$.
Flipping was the best choice we could have made. And we did it at the best moment we could have.
As for Vix's treatment of Fallangard, yea... were you not there, or what? I've had Fallangard players tell me the same. About Scio being given back. About their slowness before attacking us. They were totally taken for granted and not treated with respect. Just as Vix was doing with us before.
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To keep at the war, with Vix constantly withholding troops and funding and being fickle asses, and the deep south no longer contributing squat... Highmarch would have fallen. Because everyone in the SA decided they had other priorities. We were bled out and left on our own.
Keep the propaganda in character. Vix never withheld troops and throughout my rule we tried multiple times to send money but no one in Highmarch would take the responsibility of receiving it.
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Keep the propaganda in character. Vix never withheld troops and throughout my rule we tried multiple times to send money but no one in Highmarch would take the responsibility of receiving it.
The propaganda is when Mathias talks about the vixen troops going to Perdan instead of Highmarch. IC he's treat it as a form of treason and abandonment even if OOC I get it and considered it justified. But Vix *did* withhold troops. Evora was lost due to Zolan, upon taking command of the vixen troops freshly arriving in Akesh Temple, decided to withdraw the army for no reason, without letting anyone know. Maybe you didn't know. When we pressed about the issue, most vixens didn't seem to understand or know what was going on. Just because you didn't know, or more likely you don't remember, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And if you want to pass that off as an "accident", it was exactly when Zolan was openly talking about withholding resources to Highmarch.
As for funds, Mathias never rejected funds. "No one in Highmarch" is untrue. It was offered to Jaemes, allegedly, who later ditched Highmarch for Vix anyways, and who never told anyone he was offered gold, and offered no satisfactory explanation for refusing the gold. Actually, I think he did give an explanation that largely put into doubt Vix's allegation. Jarin was known to be inactive by all. Regardless, gold had almost always transited through Mathias. There was no reason to stop doing so, and especially no legitimate argument about Highmarch being at fault when Vix was the one who decided to screw the traditional channels and try new middle-men. Furthermore, the most you could argue is that you "offered", not that you "tried". There's no fail rate in transferring gold. You go to the capital, and you send it. Done done, easy peasy.
Vix didn't try to give money to Highmarch, what it did was screw the traditional channels and "offer" it to people not responsible for the army's funding, to then use the lack of answers as justification. Daedalus, Archibald, Eros... they had all given gold through Mathias.
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Evora was lost due to Zolan, upon taking command of the vixen troops freshly arriving in Akesh Temple, decided to withdraw the army for no reason, without letting anyone know.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat? That's not like him at all. *sarcasm*
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat? That's not like him at all. *sarcasm*
ikr?
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Vix didn't try to give money to Highmarch, what it did was screw the traditional channels and "offer" it to people not responsible for the army's funding, to then use the lack of answers as justification. Daedalus, Archibald, Eros... they had all given gold through Mathias.
It was offered to the ruler and treasurer. I certainly wasn't gonna offer it to the character that was trash talking Vix in all the alliance channels.
Also, I did not know about the Akesh temple thing. I thought that when Zolan took over we had already been in the field with no refit for several weeks running.
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Of course not, don't offer support to the guy that complains support was cut, wouldn't w ant to prove him wrong. ::)
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Prop up an anti-Vix Eros with Vix's funds? No way pal!
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Never fund Chenier. Let him work with what he has ::)
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I got nicer sponsors now. 8)
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Evora was lost due to Zolan, upon taking command of the vixen troops freshly arriving in Akesh Temple, decided to withdraw the army for no reason, without letting anyone know.
Evora would have been lost anyway, it was just a matter of time as it's easier to reach from the North than from the South.
The North has organised its offensives well for several months whilst the South has been bickering amongst itself and alienated the peasantry too much to have stable control along the front lines. An alliance divided loses its ability to respond effectively.
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Evora would have been lost anyway, it was just a matter of time as it's easier to reach from the North than from the South.
The North has organised its offensives well for several months whilst the South has been bickering amongst itself and alienated the peasantry too much to have stable control along the front lines. An alliance divided loses its ability to respond effectively.
Well, yea, that's what I said. ;)
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Really interesting thread.
Thanks for all the history lessons.
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El Norte Unido Jamás Será Vencido! 8)
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El Norte Unido Jamás Será Vencido! 8)
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The worst thing that made it impossible for the South to advance and take over Northern realms wasn't the Northern army BTW.
It was the peasant armies that showed up in hateful regions that wiped out any small force we sent anywhere. And needing to organize a 10k army to "raid" enemy regions or hold conquered regions is an exercise in futility.
That is what stalled the Southern offensive.
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The worst thing that made it impossible for the South to advance and take over Northern realms wasn't the Northern army BTW.
It was the peasant armies that showed up in hateful regions that wiped out any small force we sent anywhere. And needing to organize a 10k army to "raid" enemy regions or hold conquered regions is an exercise in futility.
That is what stalled the Southern offensive.
Yea the stupid peasant mobs of Viseu sprung the offensive into Eponllyn. Because they hadn't done their ambassador shennanigans there yet. ;D
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I like how you Northerners collected like six armies in Winkamus. I wanna make a meme out of it. Maybe the Blue Rajah from "Mystery Men" and how you all travel in gangs like little babies. Yeah. I'ma do that ;)
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What? Minas Nova and Alara stabbed their allies in the back at the first chance they got, then began to fall apart? Color me shocked... SHOCKED.
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I like how you Northerners collected like six armies in Winkamus. I wanna make a meme out of it. Maybe the Blue Rajah from "Mystery Men" and how you all travel in gangs like little babies. Yeah. I'ma do that ;)
Post it on the memes thread! :D Or share on Discord!
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Why are northerners so bad at killing off south? Cmon get your s-h-i-t together!
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I like how you Northerners collected like six armies in Winkamus. I wanna make a meme out of it. Maybe the Blue Rajah from "Mystery Men" and how you all travel in gangs like little babies. Yeah. I'ma do that ;)
Why aren't we funding this?
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Why are northerners so bad at killing off south? Cmon get your s-h-i-t together!
Because we run out of money ::)
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So wait, what's going on in Alara?
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Why are northerners so bad at killing off south? Cmon get your s-h-i-t together!
In few words, because the portal event gave walls to a bunch of regions that never should have had any.
So wait, what's going on in Alara?
Death and decay?
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So wait, what's going on in Alara?
I think Alara did a peace referendum or something with the whole Perleone war and Robb didn't really accept it so he left for Vix.
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A lot of people are getting bored with the Alara-Perleone war. Perleone is steamrolling now, and Robb decided to give people a choice after he lost his King title to being wounded: fight to the death or seek peace. Peace won by a single vote, and Robb wanted nothing to do with that (it wouldn't make sense for the character of Robb, and the player would have no fun trying to make it work). So he said good luck and left.
Also, Perleone was trying to backstab their allies before this 'backstabbing' by Alara/Minas Nova, thats why they decided to 'backstab' their allies who weren't supporting them against Perleone in favor of Deklan who'd been there for them (despite his outspoken rejection of war for the return of his kingdom), but hey :P (Obviously not a great tactical choice for them in hindsight, but what they believed to be the right choice)
But now to see if Bracka can actually bring about peace before everyone else jumps ship too.
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A lot of people are getting bored with the Alara-Perleone war. Perleone is steamrolling now, and Robb decided to give people a choice after he lost his King title to being wounded: fight to the death or seek peace. Peace won by a single vote, and Robb wanted nothing to do with that (it wouldn't make sense for the character of Robb, and the player would have no fun trying to make it work). So he said good luck and left.
Also, Perleone was trying to backstab their allies before this 'backstabbing' by Alara/Minas Nova, thats why they decided to 'backstab' their allies who weren't supporting them against Perleone in favor of Deklan who'd been there for them (despite his outspoken rejection of war for the return of his kingdom), but hey :P (Obviously not a great tactical choice for them in hindsight, but what they believed to be the right choice)
But now to see if Bracka can actually bring about peace before everyone else jumps ship too.
Somewhere, Selenia is chuckles with great mirth...
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Come to Itor Boss.... now we have "Erik's Populational Growth Center"... with blackjack and hookers.
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I think at one point we going to run out of gas in this North versus South War. Resource like gold, men and food are pouring in like no tomorrow. Those who smartly do not participate in battles that not favor them, saving them for another key battle. I wonder if any key battles are showing up in this war.