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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: Bronnen on November 20, 2017, 03:38:43 PM
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I keep seeing people rp'ing tons of stuff about other nobles (especially from Sirion) being elves. Now correct me if I'm wrong but it was a rule that unless you made an Elf before the "Humans Only" rule was put into effect, your character is a human. Seeing as though that rule was put in place over 5 years ago (I'm sure it's more but over 5 is safe) I very much doubt any character is still alive from back then. I might be wrong but it seems a safe assumption.
Why do people keep doing it? Is it not enforced any more?
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It's more than 10 years ago.
And it's always been a bit ambiguous. Personally, I'd be inclined to say that at this point, everyone's human, but I'm not going to go so far as to attempt to make that a GM fiat.
I think somewhat more important is not assuming someone's race—just because they're in Sirion doesn't mean they're an elf, so unless you happen to know that a particular character is roleplayed as such by their player, don't claim that they are one.
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I'm not sure either but I do think there are some in Sirion who are RP'ing as elves.
I was pretty damn sure it was over 10 years but I was being safe with 5 lol.
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Bronnen how do you mean RP about them?
Garas for instance does use the term 'Elves' often but that works mostly within propaganda. Also I believe there are some very old chars left in Sirion who could be Elves.
If you are talking about people seeing other chars with pointy ears, then you may have a point, but then it depends on how it's written.
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Started playing in 2006, never knew about "just X chars can be elves because of, well, just humans!". I remember Oligarch being an Orc thing before I arrived, but at that time we had people with names like Sir Circle or General Boom Boom. Not knowing the rule, I started with Erik being an elf, but whatever, it's more for pure RPG than any other reason. Like the player of Garas said, it works well when people want to do some propaganda against Sirion. I don't see people roleplaying elves anymore, with Erik being the last one I can remember; I made his legitimate children "half-elves", just regular humans, but keeping some folk tradition. Now, with my new family, I made the RP like: "Erik left with his true elvish sons and daughters, leving behing his thousand human bastards". This way, already knowing the rule, I adjusted the speech... however, they still claim that Erik was an elf. After all, in BM world, what is an elf? Someone with pointed ears and androgenic traits or just someone who was born in Slimbar?
Just saying, Erik always named himself as the Silver Dragon of Sirion, Elune's Favorite, Aienheint incarnated, etc. There is a difference between what you say you are and what you really are. That being said, Sirion's enemies will continue to call Sirion an Elvish realm because it is politically useful: "They're stealing our jobs! Kill all the damn elves and make East Continent great again... for humans!"
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It's why I still call Ecthelion the Elven Tyrant...not sure if he's human or elf though? I imagine that char should be old enough to be allowed to be an elf?
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It's why I still call Ecthelion the Elven Tyrant...not sure if he's human or elf though? I imagine that char should be old enough to be allowed to be an elf?
Well, given that, prior to a name change, he was the "Sir Circle" Eduardo was mentioning...yeah, he's one of the oldest living characters in the game. ;D
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Well, given that, prior to a name change, he was the "Sir Circle" Eduardo was mentioning...yeah, he's one of the oldest living characters in the game. ;D
Brian must be an 80 year old, but I'd rather believe he's still a little girl of 12... well, maybe like 20 nowadays.
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Also worth remembering that, RP-wise, there are still going to be elven NPCs and peasants around - primarily in the heartlands of Sirion that have never been conquered by any other realm.
So even if all the player nobles are human at this point it still works for propaganda process to claim that Sirion is really ruled by the elves through their human puppets.
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People still talk about the Black Hand in Avamar, even though no player has ever claimed such an inheritance ever since. Even with Erik I tried to keep this "Black Hand mood", especially when Avamar had three cities and Erik was megalomaniac, with everyone asking or suggesting that he should create his own kingdom in Avamar. I like it when certain aspects are kept and it is preferable to what happened in Trinbar, where the whole story I wrote was erased and ignored... not strangely, by the same player of Crixus (who has every position in Swordfell) and now in Trinbar, his own religion named after his char (I suspect merely to win the family fame bonus). If only there were a motive in-game (like the great majority of Pharaohs and Emperors who deliberately destroyed what their predecessors had built), but the form that was made seems just empty and superficial. No one cares anymore.
So, long life to the elves!
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Just leave them be I say. Not worth pissing what few players left over something so trivial.
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The whole reason I sent Selenia to EC was to settle down and cross the JeV bloodline with an elven one. Alas, that RP did not go quite as I'd hoped. At the time, no one in Sirion Rpd as actually as Elves. It was so long ago that i think the original noble bloodlines either died out and/or intermarried to the point that everyone is human.
The unique nickname sticks tho :-)
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People still talk about the Black Hand in Avamar, even though no player has ever claimed such an inheritance ever since. Even with Erik I tried to keep this "Black Hand mood", especially when Avamar had three cities and Erik was megalomaniac, with everyone asking or suggesting that he should create his own kingdom in Avamar. I like it when certain aspects are kept and it is preferable to what happened in Trinbar, where the whole story I wrote was erased and ignored... not strangely, by the same player of Crixus (who has every position in Swordfell) and now in Trinbar, his own religion named after his char (I suspect merely to win the family fame bonus). If only there were a motive in-game (like the great majority of Pharaohs and Emperors who deliberately destroyed what their predecessors had built), but the form that was made seems just empty and superficial. No one cares anymore.
So, long life to the elves!
Why do you think that when it became clear we'd war Sirion we crafted our flag, realm and everything around Oligarch. Beautiful symbolism to the old times and great enemies etc, although we left the orc bit out.
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I just use it as anti-Sirion propaganda. I sent a few flavor-letters in the past with fabricated stories of Sirion nobles mutilating their ears to look like elves.
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I just use it as anti-Sirion propaganda. I sent a few flavor-letters in the past with fabricated stories of Sirion nobles mutilating their ears to look like elves.
I remember those! They were pretty fun.
I don't think anyone IC really believes in the elven thing, my char uses it as a soft insult of the bastards that invade peaceful south. "Those damn elves", "their elven decadence" etc.
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I remember people calling Sirionites knife-ears when Atanamir was around.
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Last I remember, the grandfather clause had the following restrictions: had to be an elf before the human-only realm, had to stay in Sirion. Thus after that rule, nobody could become elves, but elves could be lost by character death/deletion and my migratory humanification.
That said, I mean, could have been simpler to just say elves are humans. Like, an ethnicity, or phenotype, or whatever. Because what are elves, anyways? Humans with pointy ears? And in a lot of fantasy world, those ears aren't even all that pointy. RL humans show far greater phenotypic diversity than the difference we see when we look at humans and elves in PJ's LotR movies, for example.
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Probably the best answer Chenier.
Just calling elves humans works I think.
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I remember those! They were pretty fun.
I don't think anyone IC really believes in the elven thing, my char uses it as a soft insult of the bastards that invade peaceful south. "Those damn elves", "their elven decadence" etc.
A lot of Dubhaine history is intermingled with the elves and the family predilection for picking handsome, anonymous warriors to father their bloodthirsty daughters means there's a trace of elven blood running through later generations. With the latest generation there's even a marriage to one of Erik's many bastard daughters which is a nod to my respect for (and loathing in equal measure ;)) the old Silver Dragon.
It doesn't matter if the Elves are a separate race or not, they're so deeply embedded in the psyche of EC at this point that erasing them would improve little and make the continent a less colourful place.
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As I said, in BM world an elf can be just someone who was born in Slimbar (in the heart of Sirion, in the most forested region).
As many people used it for propaganda, Erik used it to differentiate himself from his peers, for he always had himself in the greatest esteem while the rest was just... well, the rest. You poor humans!!!
A lot of Dubhaine history is intermingled with the elves and the family predilection for picking handsome, anonymous warriors to father their bloodthirsty daughters means there's a trace of elven blood running through later generations. With the latest generation there's even a marriage to one of Erik's many bastard daughters which is a nod to my respect for (and loathing in equal measure ;)) the old Silver Dragon.
Like the Tandaros family, with Hector Serpentis Tandaros (son of Yeux Serpentis and Maya Tandaros), I would love to see more people usin th fact that Erik always had a predilection for taking off his pants. It's good to see people using the opportunity that I left behind. Where's my Dubhaine's heir?
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Like the Tandaros family, with Hector Serpentis Tandaros (son of Yeux Serpentis and Maya Tandaros), I would love to see more people usin th fact that Erik always had a predilection for taking off his pants. It's good to see people using the opportunity that I left behind. Where's my Dubhaine's heir?
Etain is the daughter of Naevan (son of Brigdha) and Erfrayj, a member of the Serpentis clan whose paternity is less than clear. Erfrayj may be Erik's daughter or granddaughter - or maybe both considering what a nightmare managing his harem must have been. The Dubhaines never marry and practice matrilineal inheritance so Etain's going to have to win the family name the hard way.
Her's isn't the first instance of Elven blood in the Dubhaines though as Rhidhana was conceived during one of Moira's raids in northern Sirion, though the details were never filled in. I can't imagine it would have done Rhidhana's political standing in Fontan much good if it had been known her father was an Elf. The Kinsey's and their allies would have had a field day with that :)
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Hah, I'd always played Ramon as a playboy, fathering many many illegitimate children. His portal mandate almost insisted on it! He only had the one legitimate noble born child between he and Teniel while she were Queen and he Duke. But she is gone and he is dead!
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Hah, I'd always played Ramon as a playboy, fathering many many illegitimate children. His portal mandate almost insisted on it! He only had the one legitimate noble born child between he and Teniel while she were Queen and he Duke.
Erik married his own daughter... I won!
Etain is the daughter of Naevan (son of Brigdha) and Erfrayj, a member of the Serpentis clan whose paternity is less than clear. Erfrayj may be Erik's daughter or granddaughter - or maybe both considering what a nightmare managing his harem must have been. The Dubhaines never marry and practice matrilineal inheritance so Etain's going to have to win the family name the hard way.
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I'm glad to know. When you buy a house, you want to invite your friends. I built a hotel, because I wanted unexpect guests to continue the party :)
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I'm glad to know. When you buy a house, you want to invite your friends. I built a hotel, because I wanted unexpect guests to continue the party :)
I'm toying with the idea of a Hospitalers' guild following on from Brigdha's RPs during the Oligarch siege. Not quite the same as a hotel chain, but given the dubious morals of many BM nobles it wouldn't be long before nature took its course.
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I'm toying with the idea of a Hospitalers' guild following on from Brigdha's RPs during the Oligarch siege. Not quite the same as a hotel chain, but given the dubious morals of many BM nobles it wouldn't be long before nature took its course.
Thy will be done.