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BattleMaster => Development => Feature Requests => Topic started by: Blint on November 30, 2017, 03:33:59 PM
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Title: Adding 'Guild Titles' to title list outside of guild msg groups
Summary:Not sure how useful or 'desired' this would be, but I haven't seen a topic on this yet, and thought it would be neat. I would like to see the titles/ranks a character has in guilds displayed in their signature line along with other titles they have earned
Details:In a character's signature line currently it reads "John Smith, King of Blintia, Royal of Blintia, Duke of Blint City." I think it would be neat if we added titles/ranks from guilds a character is in as well. I can imagine that if a player/character is in 5 different guilds it could get increasingly more cumbersome, so perhaps we limit it to 'Full' and/or 'Elder' ranks of a guild? I would also imagine that Secret Societies would not have this.. since they are.. secret..
Benefits:Increases the value in the titles/ranks, gives players something to strive for within a guild, rather than growing complacent with their current position helps advertise the guild more
Possible Downsides/Exploits: If a player is in more than 1 or 2 guilds the list of titles could grow drastically. A possible 'solution'/workaround for this could be limiting it to either 'Full' and/or 'Elder' ranks and/or limiting it to 1 or 2 guilds based on which guild you have been in the longest? I think allowing a player to select the guilds (maybe on the character info screen) to display, would be cool, but also understand that development wise that might get tricky and cumbersome, and be more trouble than its worth..
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If we were ever to do this, we would make it something where you could select up to 2-3 guild/religion titles to use. A given noble can be in an arbitrary number of guilds, so the list could go on and on if we just threw them all in there.
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My thought as well! I think it would be a neat addition to give players that don't necessarily have a Lordship/Government position a title to feel proud of rather than Knight/Dame or Sir/Lady
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It would also give an incentive for realms to create guilds. A ruler could create the 'Most Noble and Excellent Order of Keplerstan' and a noble awarded a certain rank in that guild could include 'Knight Commander of the Most Noble and Excellent Order of Keplerstan' in their signature.
Equally it would allow the creation of flavour titles to be used in signatures, like 'President of the Keplerian Senate' or 'Royal Historian of the Keplerstani Empire'. So I think a feature like this would get a lot of usage.
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I would very much be in favor of Anris's suggestion. Rania isn't just some priestess, she's the Oracle, damnit! XD
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We would definitely need a limit on how many such titles to show. Possibly only allow it from guilds with at least a certain number of members, too, and only elder ranks. I don't really like the idea of just any lord creating his one-man guild to give himself the title of Emperor of the Universe. Nor every single noble having extra titles, it already feels like there's too many titles for everybody as it is.
Not sure how I feel about custom public titles being granted by guilds, either. Always felt that realms should have some powers about that.
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We would definitely need a limit on how many such titles to show. Possibly only allow it from guilds with at least a certain number of members, too, and only elder ranks. I don't really like the idea of just any lord creating his one-man guild to give himself the title of Emperor of the Universe. Nor every single noble having extra titles, it already feels like there's too many titles for everybody as it is.
Not sure how I feel about custom public titles being granted by guilds, either. Always felt that realms should have some powers about that.
I agree with some of what you said here.. But definitely not the notion that there are too many titles for everybody as it stands.. There are the government positions, the steward of cities, lordships, and marshal. Doesn't seem like too many to me..
But I do agree, that we need a limit on the # of titles displayed, Elder ranks makes the most sense to me.. and I am not sure how I feel about the idea of we need 'X' number of members in order to qualify. I don't think there is going to be a surge of Guilds being created just so someone can have the title of Grand Mega-Supreme Emperor of the 'I am better than everyone' guild..
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I can immediately see how this would benefit religions or place like Luria that RP their Duke's as Kings.
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Not a fan of this, unless we clearly limit the amount of titles.
With the playerbase we have, we mostly have the same people holding many titles. Adding guild/religion titles with this would make signatures in most cases longer than the actual messages they're writing ;D
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I agree with some of what you said here.. But definitely not the notion that there are too many titles for everybody as it stands.. There are the government positions, the steward of cities, lordships, and marshal. Doesn't seem like too many to me..
But I do agree, that we need a limit on the # of titles displayed, Elder ranks makes the most sense to me.. and I am not sure how I feel about the idea of we need 'X' number of members in order to qualify. I don't think there is going to be a surge of Guilds being created just so someone can have the title of Grand Mega-Supreme Emperor of the 'I am better than everyone' guild..
When I started playing, there were the 4 government positions and lordship. That was it, at least as far as I recall.
Then more titles were added, like marshal and vice-marshal, so every realm has at least 2 more titles, possibly 4. At some point duchies were created (correct me if I'm wrong, but duke used to just be a lordship title with extra perks), so every realm gained a handful more titles, and then duchies ceased to be tied to cities, so many realms got a few more. A typical realm of 28 nobles and 10 regions (2 cities) shared 14 titles, now that same 10 region realm can have 3 dukes and 2 armies for a total of 21 titles for what is probably half as many nobles, going from a ratio of 2 nobles per title to 1.5 title per noble.
Getting a title used to be hard and used to mean something. Now, they come a buck a dozen, one can be new and barely even try and a title will come. The number of titles per realm grew while the player base shrank.
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When I started playing, there were the 4 government positions and lordship. That was it, at least as far as I recall.
Then more titles were added, like marshal and vice-marshal, so every realm has at least 2 more titles, possibly 4. At some point duchies were created (correct me if I'm wrong, but duke used to just be a lordship title with extra perks), so every realm gained a handful more titles, and then duchies ceased to be tied to cities, so many realms got a few more. A typical realm of 28 nobles and 10 regions (2 cities) shared 14 titles, now that same 10 region realm can have 3 dukes and 2 armies for a total of 21 titles for what is probably half as many nobles, going from a ratio of 2 nobles per title to 1.5 title per noble.
Getting a title used to be hard and used to mean something. Now, they come a buck a dozen, one can be new and barely even try and a title will come. The number of titles per realm grew while the player base shrank.
You're probably forgetting about 'Steward' in this math as well.
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You're probably forgetting about 'Steward' in this math as well.
Haha, yea, I guess, but I don't really remember anyone using that. Especially since we can give that access to the banker (once more). Unlike the others it doesn't really display anywhere though.
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I agree, there's a lot of titles. That's why I like the idea of being able to choose which ones get displayed and I really like the idea of capping them out at 3 max.
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Then I can just create a guild and give myself the title 'Supreme JeVondair' and laugh my ass off while writing a letter. I mean this proposal is rather vulnerable to abuse. And not all 'abuses' are going to be so obvious.
Why would someone outside a guild care if you're the 'Arch Bunnyhopper' ?
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It should probably only be available to guilds over a certain minimum number of members.
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What if instead of just a 'requires this many members' threshold, we make the existence of public guild titles more exclusive? By that I mean, only the top 3 largest guilds by member count, with any ties broken by total guildhouses. That way there is more incentive to either grow your own members and guildhouses, or to destroy rival guildhouses.
If this were to be implemented, the following guilds would be granted public titles.
EC Guilds: Southern Alliance, Freedom Fraternity, Hunting & Swordfighting
BT Guilds: Morgul Order, Northern Alliance, The Inquisition
Colonial Guilds: Colonial Senate, The Valentic Order, Long Eared Hare
DWI Guilds: Royal Rangers, The Iron League, Garrison
I still agree with having to select one title to be displayed, if you are eligible for multiple guild titles. There is enough title clutter at the end of messages as-is.
On religions, I think they're a bit more special than guilds, so I would be okay with all religions having public titles. I'm somewhat inclined against aspirants in guilds and religions getting public titles, but not strongly so.
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Still not very much in favour of this.
Except for Religions (because you can only join 1 religion), why would anyone else on the continent care what rank/title you have in a certain guild? (Cfr. Gabanus comment). What if I don't want any religion/guild title to be displayed?
Also, if we're only going to display the biggest guilds, the 'regular' nobles without a title will probably not have any meaningful title in such large guilds anyway. By experience I know that the ones with many titles in a realm usually take up the elder seats or any interesting 'titles' in a guild. While others just get a 'Knight' 'Aspirant' 'Follower'. Which does not really contribute to anything..
I'm rambling, maybe I'm not clearly seeing any advantages for this feature at this time. It's not that I'm completely against.
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Then I can just create a guild and give myself the title 'Supreme JeVondair' and laugh my ass off while writing a letter. I mean this proposal is rather vulnerable to abuse. And not all 'abuses' are going to be so obvious.
Why would someone outside a guild care if you're the 'Arch Bunnyhopper' ?
I don't think its a matter of anyone outside the guild "caring" about it.. but rather a matter of pride for the member of the guild who worked hard to earn the title. Wouldn't you want the realm to know if the G2 had the guild title of Chief Deathbringer for the Inquisition? :P
I like the idea of selecting the titles to display and capping the titles at 3 as well..
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Actually, upon reflection, it sounds like the real solution here would be to display religion titles and to give realms more control over title customisation/awarding of honourary titles.
Perhaps you should be allowed to customise all the titles (with the various title systems available as default options), and to create and award one or two honourary titles per realm. That leaves realms the ability to do the customisation they want (e.g. calling Lurian Dukes "Kings") and the ability to award special honours (e.g. "Royal Daimon Slayer") without needing to use guilds as a work around.
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Actually, upon reflection, it sounds like the real solution here would be to display religion titles and to give realms more control over title customisation/awarding of honourary titles.
The real nugget here is that religions need a complete overhaul anyways...
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Still not very much in favour of this......
I'm rambling, maybe I'm not clearly seeing any advantages for this feature at this time. It's not that I'm completely against.
@Wimpie, I hear your concerns and think they are valid, you bring up some decent points I hadn't thought about. My main reasoning for bringing this topic up was that it feels like guilds are just there in the game and don't really add anything RP wise.. Where I feel adding the ability to have Full/Elder ranks display their titles if they wish - and limit the # of titles 1 noble can display at the end of a message might add some flavor and RP value to Guilds, as people outside the guild can see John Smith has the title of 'Arch Daimon Hunter' and it might add some incentive for people to join guilds... At least that is my hope/desire. I also think its something to celebrate if you attain the rank of XYZ in a guild, and that you should be able to share that achievement with other players, not just the people in the guild..
I agree about the religious titles as well, I think that would add a lot to the game in terms of pride in accomplishments.
Perhaps I am projecting too much of myself onto all players in the game..
Actually, upon reflection, it sounds like the real solution here would be to display religion titles and to give realms more control over title customisation/awarding of honourary titles.
Perhaps you should be allowed to customise all the titles (with the various title systems available as default options), and to create and award one or two honourary titles per realm. That leaves realms the ability to do the customisation they want (e.g. calling Lurian Dukes "Kings") and the ability to award special honours (e.g. "Royal Daimon Slayer") without needing to use guilds as a work around.
@Antonine
I LOVE the idea of giving realms more control over title customization/awarding of honorary titles.. Though I do see a lot of potential problems with that, most of which have already been echoed in previous posts in this thread..
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I think the customization of realm titles has been a frequently asked feature, but also frequently rejected.
I'd have to await comments about Delvin/Vita on that.
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I think the customization of realm titles has been a frequently asked feature, but also frequently rejected.
I'd have to await comments about Delvin/Vita on that.
I thought it was just forever "on hold". I mean, the game also has "weak/balanced/strong" as groundworks, it just never amounted to anything.