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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: Renodin on December 08, 2017, 10:53:07 AM
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Hey there,
It's about time I reckon to give this its own thread. Let me begin by stating that this is also a notice to anyone wanting to join in on creating a new Realm with a long and rich history of both Lore and Culture. Heavily invested in Roleplay and founded and shaped by the likes of JeVondair and Aurea families. Not to mention, myself as well. But giant amounts of Kudos to the other two families, I'm merely a torch bearer compared to them. Fire Starters.
This new Realm will be based around the City of Fontan, East Continent and enjoy a lot of the benefits and very few of the drawbacks of any of the Realms currently on the East Continent. By that I mean, central location, active choice in whatever they want to do with an eye to the huge war that is being waged. Ability to interact with all other Realms on the continent. An active and bustling Roleplay group of people. A martial, proud culture that is extensively documented on the Wiki and ingame.
Wide political map that is established, growing and very dynamic. The Xavax are a known meritocracy founded on martial ideas and a fierce mentality that has seen them be widely successful and unique. It took seven Realms to displace them in the past and this will be a new chapter in the illustrious history. One, where you can be part of.
Want to join us? Contact me either via Pm, Discord, IRC or ingame (Asher Renodin).
For all other purposes of discussion, banter and the like, feel free to use this thread.
Cheers guys!
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There's a place for an old Serpentis?
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How are you planning to make a realm when Caligus is already in Fontan? I can't imagine Sirion agreeing to kill off their allies.
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Does Sirion need to agree? Does anyone have to ask them permission? Sirion is busy with its own division and doesn't seem to be able to defend Caligus.
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a) they've effectively been killed off even with Sirion supposedly trying to stop it, and failing miserably. Region lost the other day, 'nother takeover almost done as this is typed... (dynamic/political map is a beaut, even shows active TOs for those who like checking on such things)
b) If Caligus does agree to do the / a plan, south will stop all hostilities and avoid needless bloodshed/war/headache/bs. No more bombed-out wasted caligus, no more damaged infrastructure, not more bloodshed, no more pillage, no more chaos. Respite in the eye of the storm.
c) We've got people joining from multiple realms, and even other continents. We've already got more than enough numbers without pulling from the main Sirion-xavax contingency. Plus, I'd personally rather most xavax stay in sirion and do their own thing. Since day 1, Xavax was always meant to be a multi-realm concept, and this will finally be our chance to do that. :)
d) allies, allies everywhere. Some public, many secret, some waiting, some pulling strings, some funding, some politicking, and many surprising supporters who *would really be useful if they were a little more public about their support in both southern and northern realms *cough cough cough cough* Though at this point its really a moot point
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There's a place for an old Serpentis?
Of course there is. You're a top rated player in my books and I'd be more than happy to have the chance to play the game with you. Contact me ingame.
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So, we've got a Serpentis, as Aurea, a Renodin, and a few other succulent morsels... Oh god this is going to get interesting real quick, isn't it.
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Well make the realm and I will join. Vix was fun but it is kinda getting old.
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Shameless recruitment thread! (you should change the title ;D)
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Well make the realm and I will join. Vix was fun but it is kinda getting old.
Great to have you aboard. Contact me ingame please, Asher Renodin.
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Damn you are asher? >:(
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Oh lawd. Lets see, which of the rumors and myths this one's about.
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Don't mind Cryptcyphere here. Everyone in Sirion should join this new realm don't stay behind.
Dammit guys, we had a deal, take away all the nobles you can from the north and remove them from the war, I want Oligarch back ::)
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Pfft, good luck. Granted, if the north goes ahead will all these crazy colonies, who knows what might happen.
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Damn you are asher? >:(
What's up ;D
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Pfft, good luck. Granted, if the north goes ahead will all these crazy colonies, who knows what might happen.
We don't need luck, just big balls and skill...oh and you guys draining Sirion of nobles. Why do you think Garas pushed so hard for Nova Xavax? Not just cause I think it would be good to see you return hehe.
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Well if you keep broadcasting your evil plans all over the forum, no one will do it :P Much as I hate to admit, a lot of people have a bad habit of making IC judgements on OOC information.
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Hector have a Duchy, his wife have Ustimbar, Lionel is Marshal, there's a new Speaker from Xavas as well. I don't think they will leave.
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@Cryptcypher, nothing evil about it, nor is it a secret. The south at least knows and the north should know by now as well. They mention his name often enough.
@Eduardo, yeah of those 4 I don't think they're joining. But I do hope the others will. I mean the choice for your own realm with full autonomy and no requirement to join the war after creation VS being assimilated into a near dead husk Sirion...how's that even a choice?
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To clarify, Sirion is most definitely NOT on board with this plan.
If it's not much too IC info (though I imagine most of the continent knows about it by now), the deal has been done so that the south will destroy Caligus and then Novus Xavax can be founded there.
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Poor Caligus, can't they sign up some sort of relocation deal to Xavax city?
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Poor Caligus, can't they sign up some sort of relocation deal to Xavax city?
The south offered them exactly that. They refused to even consider it. Apparently it's not good enough for them. Nor was the peace offer where they would have kept Fontan and two regions.
So they've made it quite clear they're only interested in fighting to their death.
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Sirion doesn't care with Caligus, they just try to convince themselves about that. They're worried with their own plans to divide Sirion. In some days they shall announce about Slimbar, so, they will be even weaker and slower. Then there are discussions about a new realm in Krimml. They will stop again while Caligus die.
And I hope to see someone infiltrating Slimbar and kicking their butt from behind the defensive belt.
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The Dice has been cast, as they they. Now to see where the pieces will fall. Totally not stealing those proverbs.
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Highmarch is very much alive from what I can tell. The battle for Fontan can begin.
If you want to become part of creating a new and dynamic realm where you will be able to have an impact and play alongside great roleplayers and seasoned players who will take you along for the ride? Don't hesitate to join in!
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Highmarch is very much alive from what I can tell. The battle for Fontan can begin.
If you want to become part of creating a new and dynamic realm where you will be able to have an impact and play alongside great roleplayers and seasoned players who will take you along for the ride? Don't hesitate to join in!
A Chénier can spice any realm. ;)
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When you plan to arrive at the party quiet and in secret and then your friend sees you from the other side of the room and shouts your name.
This is Garas, lol.
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As if anyone ever heard of Erik?
/me looks at sent letters
Uhm nm, welcome ::)
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Let me have some false hope of recognition! :'(
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I still do miss Erik if that counts for anything. Plus now the south will think well of Erik. Would you have ever believed that? ^^
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Erik's problem with the south was just Atanamir, much like Garas, a former Sirionite General. After put him in his place, Westmoor showed up with another crazy leader (I forgot the king's name). Again, after Erik/Dürion dealt with him, everything was in peace. Erik even tried to marry the Southern Queens for a while.
But yes, Garas can rescue some of my old fame 8)
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I'd join, if it weren't named Xavax. Make new realms! Make your own thing with your own history. Cmon people.
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Unh, maybe bcause it's being created by the refugees from a realm called Xavax?
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Exactly! Call it something else!
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They will... NEW Xavax ;D ;D
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Why not something like Xavaland. Xavatopia. The united empire of Xavax
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Why not something like Xavaland. Xavatopia. The united empire of Xavax
How is that any better than the proposed name of Novus Xavax?
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It was a joke for one. ;D
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A new name would be more appropriate. Whatever this new realm to be built on Caligus's bones will become, it will certainly be nothing like the Xavax of old.
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Exactly! Glad someone agrees.
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A new name would be more appropriate. Whatever this new realm to be built on Caligus's bones will become, it will certainly be nothing like the Xavax of old.
To be fair it's only been what - three or four months since GX was destroyed? It's going to be founded by Xavaxian nobles and deliberately going to try to preserve and continue the culture of GX. Obviously it's not going to be exactly the same but it's probably got more right than any realm to pay homage to the name of a vanquished one.
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That's just my feeling, and I certainly would love to be proven wrong. I am just a bit biased, after all.
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That's just my feeling, and I certainly would love to be proven wrong. I am just a bit biased, after all.
Even if GX had survived, its culture would have become pretty much unrecognisable within six months of Selenia going (as she inevitably would one day). All it takes is for the driving force of any given culture or atmosphere to disappear and within half a year most nobles in the realm won't even remember it, let alone follow it.
(Which is why the constant cycle of destruction and rebirth is a good thing in the game).
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I'm not so certain. GX was unique in a lot of ways, but it was common goals and interests that truly transformed the Xavax from a disparate group of refugees into a unified people. Be attacked from all sides engendered a deeply rooted sense of personal and national pride among them. All I really did as a player was take advantage of what was already there, like a conduit, so I think that any character could have filled Selenia's role. Even though she's withdrawn, I still get the feeling that what made them into a unified people is still there, even though they've devolved into idealistic factions, New bloods and old, pro-sirion and anti, Selenist and separatists, they all want the same things in the end. So long as they keep wanting those things, Xavax will endure in their hearts and minds even without the physical realm. They never really splintered, you see. Their faith keeps them together.
That said, I still don't think that some version of "New Xavax" is a good idea, at least not politically. Besides, they're missing a pristine opportunity to make "Xaligus" a thing. ;D
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I like Xaligus
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I like Xaligus
Love it.
That said, I agree that recreating a realm with an old one's name is to be discouraged. But only if it's using the exact same name. Recycling or referring to another realm's name, though, I quite enjoy, as it makes the realm feel like it has a deeper connection to the game world, and isn't just some random name pulled out of someone's ass. I have no issues with some formulation of "New Xavax".
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I like Xaligus
Why not Cavax? Or Calax?
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I concur with Chenier.
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I actually prefer Novus Xavax rather than a random other name. I actually like the fact that politically it may not be the wisest but they still go for it. It adds to culture and fun I think.
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Let see how this new realm in Fontan goes then.
One thing for sure.
Xavax found new realm in Fontan city, and destroy Caligus in process.
After that, Caligus nobles turn to find a new realm.
What?
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Xavax+Caligus+Fontan = Xacafon, Xalitan, Xagutan ...too many options.
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Xavax found new realm in Fontan city, and destroy Caligus in process.
After that, Caligus nobles turn to find a new realm.
What?
NMFP. Caligus were offered Xavax city or staying where they are and keeping three regions. They voted in a referendum to not even listen to the proposal.
So if they decide they want Xavax after all then it's too late now.
Their best bet would be to either join Highmarch and be assimilated, or to travel to Alara or Minas Nova or Perleone where the noble numbers are small enough that they'll all have opportunities to make new lives for themselves.
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A new name would be more appropriate. Whatever this new realm to be built on Caligus's bones will become, it will certainly be nothing like the Xavax of old.
Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but Selenia already warped Xavax into something unlike the Xavax of Old. :P
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Xaligus... *cough* SOLD!
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Novus Xavax was not our idea. That was a placeholder term in our earliest negotiations, suggested by NON-Xavax. I initially counter-suggested Xavax Novux, a play off of both our X-citing linguistic games while retaining the "idea" of "New Xavax".
...Do like Xaligus, however. Or Xaliga. Xatamara. Cinis Bennuides / Cinis Phoenixis (Ashes of the Phoenix). Or just Heliopolis, from whence hailed the Bennu myth that spawned the legend of the Phoenix. Thanks Herodotus.
...As the player who came up with most of the Xavax lore years before Xavax existed, inserting it into the early realm (both as a psychological experiment, and as tribute to the death Atamara. Hence why I created the Phoenix cult and called our king "Xerarch", among other bits. We'll miss you, Atamara.) I'd like to think my lovecraftian lovechild is still alive and well. Granted, its been mutated time-and-again into something altogether unique, but its both satisfying and horribly eerie how it still holds true to the ideological foundations and repeats the lore of feverish late-night type-a-thons.
You can try to wipe Magnus from Xavax history but he lives on every single time Xavax echo his crazy phoenix cult of pride and meritocratic imperialism. :P
Can someone ooc explain the Paragon bit? While it draws deep parallels with the framework of the phoenix cult, I have a feeling that is mostly accidental and that the Path faith was in fact designed to deviate from the old Phoenix pagan cult. Retain just enough to warrant conversion, the usual assimilation tactic.
Little known fact: Xavax faith, identity, and culture was designed in reference to Hebrew, Sumerian, and Egyptian mythology. The more modern bits were designed to echo Israel.
Edit by Gabanus: I know, but best to avoid sensative topics like this just in case so we can focus on the New Xavax and her name. Just in case
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Xaligus is just a bit wierd. Are you really expecting that many Caligan refugees to come over to the NX immediately after being wiped out by them?
I have a fun feeling there'll end up being southern Xavax and northern Xavax, the difference being those who have deemed to have "sold out" to the south or were prepared to redact Selenia in exchange for Fontan. I don't doubt these two nations will have a vast difference in culture and may not get along as well as might be thought.
The word "traitor" is being flung around a lot in Sirion.
What about Xerachim/Xerachar for ruler names?
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What about call it Eriklandia? No!? Ok...
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I have a fun feeling there'll end up being southern Xavax and northern Xavax, the difference being those who have deemed to have "sold out" to the south or were prepared to redact Selenia in exchange for Fontan.
The other group actually believes the northern Xavax are betraying Selenia by not trying to build a strong new Xavax as she demanded. After all she refused just Krimml and refused to slave for Sirion.
So who's right and who's the traitor? Depends on who you ask.
Also yeah ever since Giselle and Garas Sirion has become obsessed with the word tritor it seems.
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I have a fun feeling there'll end up being southern Xavax and northern Xavax
Well, logically, the lands of Caligus were once nominally part of the Greater Xavaxian empire, so the new realm in Fontan should be called North Xavax.
Then if the Sirionite Xavax ever get their own realm they could call it True Xavax.
So you'd end up with 'North Xavax' being to the south of the other Xavax. Should make the map interesting (confusing) ;)
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If anything we're writing new chapters for the continent and laying the groundworks for lots of politics, intrigue, roleplays and fun. For that, I am thankful.
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If anything we're writing new chapters for the continent and laying the groundworks for lots of politics, intrigue, roleplays and fun. For that, I am thankful.
Precisely~ This should prove entertaining.
"...Carry the torch. Burn those who would damn us all."
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Xaligus is just a bit wierd. Are you really expecting that many Caligan refugees to come over to the NX immediately after being wiped out by them?
I have a fun feeling there'll end up being southern Xavax and northern Xavax, the difference being those who have deemed to have "sold out" to the south or were prepared to redact Selenia in exchange for Fontan. I don't doubt these two nations will have a vast difference in culture and may not get along as well as might be thought.
The word "traitor" is being flung around a lot in Sirion.
What about Xerachim/Xerachar for ruler names?
Xerachim... Oooh, I like that.
Though, it'll be way more dramatic if we just do Xerarch and then have another Xerarch under the northern Xavax, a sort of anti-pope situation.
...If the Holy Roman Empire were Xavax, of course. Which, in a really weird way... It almost-kinda-was?
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Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but Selenia already warped Xavax into something unlike the Xavax of Old. :P
If only you'd been around to keep us on the straight and narrow. ::)
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The other group actually believes the northern Xavax are betraying Selenia by not trying to build a strong new Xavax as she demanded. After all she refused just Krimml and refused to slave for Sirion.
So who's right and who's the traitor? Depends on who you ask.
Also yeah ever since Giselle and Garas Sirion has become obsessed with the word tritor it seems.
Aye. Plus, we made it clear we did not want to "redact" Selenia. Not is such a claim enforceable anyway.
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If only you'd been around to keep us on the straight and narrow. ::)
I was a little occupied at the time :P Glad the whole Phoenix Reborn shtick worked. Hook, line, and sinker.
Remember all those people saying they'd never tolerate Selenia as Xerarch? I wonder what happened to them :P
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I'd honestly quite like it if Selenia were to return once at least one of the Xavax's was established, only to then make her home in somewhere like Highmarch where she'd probably be able to argue convincingly that there was no justification for banning her :p
The you could have the two rival Xerarch's of the north and south suddenly dealing with the fact that the "True" Xerarch had returned and wasn't picking either of them :p
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The East Continent is honestly the best it's been in a while, so much is happening so fast, we're like the anti-colonies or whatever.
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Well, logically, the lands of Caligus were once nominally part of the Greater Xavaxian empire, so the new realm in Fontan should be called North Xavax.
Then if the Sirionite Xavax ever get their own realm they could call it True Xavax.
So you'd end up with 'North Xavax' being to the south of the other Xavax. Should make the map interesting (confusing) ;)
So like how Eponllyn is a southern realm living way up north, after the glaciers?
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The you could have the two rival Xerarch's of the north and south suddenly dealing with the fact that the "True" Xerarch had returned and wasn't picking either of them :p
This could be a fun idea. Probably exhausting, but definitely fun. I don't think Selenia still has the cred to really pull that off, though. The Pall of defeat hangs over her like a heavy shroud. Whether self-imposed or otherwise, once a leader's been exiled it's rare they can ever come back for any reason.
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Speaking as the player who's character is most likely to be in charge IF a "Northern Xavax" country came into being, seeing as he's Selenia's personally chosen heir and having heavy support by the most active and well known Xavax nobility and all, I'd most likely focus on making it like a crusader holding, like the State of the Teutonic Order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_the_Teutonic_Order). The Full Name would be something like State of the Xavaxian Ash Walkers (with Xavaxian Ash Walkers as the informal name), ours is a holy crusade to see the Phoenix once again flying over our former borders by way of conquest against the despicable forces of Democracy! Etc. etc.
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Etc. etc.
Abjur2020 - Why vote for a lesser evil? ;D
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Xaligus is just a bit wierd. Are you really expecting that many Caligan refugees to come over to the NX immediately after being wiped out by them?
I have a fun feeling there'll end up being southern Xavax and northern Xavax, the difference being those who have deemed to have "sold out" to the south or were prepared to redact Selenia in exchange for Fontan. I don't doubt these two nations will have a vast difference in culture and may not get along as well as might be thought.
The word "traitor" is being flung around a lot in Sirion.
What about Xerachim/Xerachar for ruler names?
Who know what will happen when Caligus fall?
Caligus nobles may join NA realms like how former Xavax did. But then later if they have some cohesion left, they will bugger NA or SA for a new realm. Then here we go again? ::)
The other group actually believes the northern Xavax are betraying Selenia by not trying to build a strong new Xavax as she demanded. After all she refused just Krimml and refused to slave for Sirion.
So who's right and who's the traitor? Depends on who you ask.
Also yeah ever since Giselle and Garas Sirion has become obsessed with the word tritor it seems.
You know very well... who call who traitor and so on. Let the victor write the history, shall we? :P
If anything we're writing new chapters for the continent and laying the groundworks for lots of politics, intrigue, roleplays and fun. For that, I am thankful.
I like the new chapters.
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I'd honestly quite like it if Selenia were to return once at least one of the Xavax's was established, only to then make her home in somewhere like Highmarch where she'd probably be able to argue convincingly that there was no justification for banning her :p
The you could have the two rival Xerarch's of the north and south suddenly dealing with the fact that the "True" Xerarch had returned and wasn't picking either of them :p
Love it. JV, let it be so!
North Xerarch, South Xerarch, and... Wait, Selenia?!?!
2nd, 3rd, and 4th Xerarchs - simultaneously. Oh lord. This is going to be amazing.
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Speaking as the player who's character is most likely to be in charge IF a "Northern Xavax" country came into being, seeing as he's Selenia's personally chosen heir and having heavy support by the most active and well known Xavax nobility and all, I'd most likely focus on making it like a crusader holding, like the State of the Teutonic Order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_the_Teutonic_Order). The Full Name would be something like State of the Xavaxian Ash Walkers (with Xavaxian Ash Walkers as the informal name), ours is a holy crusade to see the Phoenix once again flying over our former borders by way of conquest against the despicable forces of Democracy! Etc. etc.
Careful, apparently Sirion's a democracy now *chuckle*
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Sirion is becoming a Democracy while I try to implant Republican seeds in Highmarch!?
And damn foxes trying to pierce my eyes!
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CryptCypher is referring to a comment by Hector Serpentis Tandaros, that got a bit mangled. Sirion is a Republic.
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...As the player who came up with most of the Xavax lore years before Xavax existed, inserting it into the early realm (both as a psychological experiment, and as tribute to the death Atamara. Hence why I created the Phoenix cult and called our king "Xerarch", among other bits. We'll miss you, Atamara.) I'd like to think my lovecraftian lovechild is still alive and well. Granted, its been mutated time-and-again into something altogether unique, but its both satisfying and horribly eerie how it still holds true to the ideological foundations and repeats the lore of feverish late-night type-a-thons.
You can try to wipe Magnus from Xavax history but he lives on every single time Xavax echo his crazy phoenix cult of pride and meritocratic imperialism. :P
We seem to remember the same history very differently. Unfortunately, I did not begin recording Xavax history until Jan 2017, over 8 IG years after the fateful Xavax Civil War
Can someone ooc explain the Paragon bit? While it draws deep parallels with the framework of the phoenix cult, I have a feeling that is mostly accidental and that the Path faith was in fact designed to deviate from the old Phoenix pagan cult. Retain just enough to warrant conversion, the usual assimilation tactic.
Little known fact: Xavax faith, identity, and culture was designed in reference to Hebrew, Sumerian, and Egyptian mythology. The more modern bits were designed to echo Israel.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Path_of_Paragons (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Path_of_Paragons)
The Phoenix Cult never took off; It's only torchbearer didn't have the time. The Path was founded years later, almost a decade IG, with the doubledeath of Ulfang Mormont, the First Paragon. It's entirely heroic ancestor worship more in line with what you'd find in Norse, Chinese, or Greek mythos. The author of that religion was one of the original Knights of the Black Swan and sadly no longer plays.
Remember all those people saying they'd never tolerate Selenia as Xerarch? I wonder what happened to them :P
They, particularly Kellan Dodger, made it their mission to make my life...interesting. I credit KD in particular with tipping the first domino that eventually brought Selenia to her knees.
Xaligus is just a bit wierd. Are you really expecting that many Caligan refugees to come over to the NX immediately after being wiped out by them?I have a fun feeling there'll end up being southern Xavax and northern Xavax, the difference being those who have deemed to have "sold out" to the south or were prepared to redact Selenia in exchange for Fontan. I don't doubt these two nations will have a vast difference in culture and may not get along as well as might be thought. The word "traitor" is being flung around a lot in Sirion. What about Xerachim/Xerachar for ruler names?
It's unclear what the Caligan knights will do. I imagine their players will find IG reasons to go wherever the fun on the Island is. Despite a relatively bad reputation, Sirion may see some new refugees. If not that, then their only immediate choices would be with the Xavax or with Vix/Highmarch as the latter are currently having a blast, lol. I do agree that if the Xavax Schism isn't healed, we could end up seeing a war between the two Xavax factions that will occur primarily in the north and east. Idk if I dread or relish the notion. I can't deny that seeing two Xavax realms at eachother's throats would be exhilarating, even if I could never join in the fun. The whole "Who's the true Xerarch" here...It reminds me of the Eastern and Western Popes. Near as I can tell, this Xavax Schism was primarily driven without initial malicious intent by Asher Renodin, with Sigrid Aru'un in a supporting role and opposed to the Phoenix [Old] Guard that includes Selenia's ruling council and other recognized princes.
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Novus Xavax was not our idea. That was a placeholder term in our earliest negotiations, suggested by NON-Xavax. I initially counter-suggested Xavax Novux, a play off of both our X-citing linguistic games while retaining the "idea" of "New Xavax".
...Do like Xaligus, however. Or Xaliga. Xatamara. Cinis Bennuides / Cinis Phoenixis (Ashes of the Phoenix). Or just Heliopolis, from whence hailed the Bennu myth that spawned the legend of the Phoenix. Thanks Herodotus.
...As the player who came up with most of the Xavax lore years before Xavax existed, inserting it into the early realm (both as a psychological experiment, and as tribute to the death Atamara. Hence why I created the Phoenix cult and called our king "Xerarch", among other bits. We'll miss you, Atamara.) I'd like to think my lovecraftian lovechild is still alive and well. Granted, its been mutated time-and-again into something altogether unique, but its both satisfying and horribly eerie how it still holds true to the ideological foundations and repeats the lore of feverish late-night type-a-thons.
You can try to wipe Magnus from Xavax history but he lives on every single time Xavax echo his crazy phoenix cult of pride and meritocratic imperialism. :P
Can someone ooc explain the Paragon bit? While it draws deep parallels with the framework of the phoenix cult, I have a feeling that is mostly accidental and that the Path faith was in fact designed to deviate from the old Phoenix pagan cult. Retain just enough to warrant conversion, the usual assimilation tactic.
Little known fact: Xavax faith, identity, and culture was designed in reference to Hebrew, Sumerian, and Egyptian mythology. The more modern bits were designed to echo Israel.
Edit by Gabanus: I know, but best to avoid sensative topics like this just in case so we can focus on the New Xavax and her name. Just in case
"Caligulan Xaxax"
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It's unclear what the Caligan knights will do. I imagine their players will find IG reasons to go wherever the fun on the Island is. Despite a relatively bad reputation, Sirion may see some new refugees. If not that, then their only immediate choices would be with the Xavax or with Vix/Highmarch as the latter are currently having a blast, lol. I do agree that if the Xavax Schism isn't healed, we could end up seeing a war between the two Xavax factions that will occur primarily in the north and east. Idk if I dread or relish the notion. I can't deny that seeing two Xavax realms at eachother's throats would be exhilarating, even if I could never join in the fun. The whole "Who's the true Xerarch" here...It reminds me of the Eastern and Western Popes. Near as I can tell, this Xavax Schism was primarily driven without initial malicious intent by Asher Renodin, with Sigrid Aru'un in a supporting role and opposed to the Phoenix [Old] Guard that includes Selenia's ruling council and other recognized princes.
Without Selenia, my character has been having a hard time trying to figure out who is who, from among Xavax nobles. Selenia never explained to Brock that there are Princes or rather claimants to Xerarch crown. People can just mention I am from Xavax and you must give him a new realm. Then what would happen if another few Xavax nobles step up and say they want new realm too, separately from the first guy? It will total chaos. So my character took time to figure out who is who, what is what and why is why. It was not an easy task when you took a few factors some internal, some external into account.
Yes, I do recall Magnus Aurea something as Xavax first Ruler. Is he still around, I not sure. That's what you get when too many characters around, only some leaders names I recall well.
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CryptCypher is referring to a comment by Hector Serpentis Tandaros, that got a bit mangled. Sirion is a Republic.
Actually, no - its a a joke in reference to Solomon saying "this is a democracy", about Sirion.
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We seem to remember the same history very differently. Unfortunately, I did not begin recording Xavax history until Jan 2017, over 8 IG years after the fateful Xavax Civil War
Indeed - and through absolutely no fault of your own, much history has been erased, confused, and altered along the way. As for our differing perspectives... Remember, you and your loyalists were not part of the first wave of Xavax arrivals. I was the third (possibly even fourth, as I arrived hand-in-hand with another) noble to join Xavax, according to notes taken at that time. It was later, a mere few days later I believe, that you arrived with your cadre in tow. Though a few days are insignificant in the grand scope of our history, those moments of heavy and constant discussion - often public, but especially private - were integral to crafting the first vestiges of the identity you encountered and helped evolve.
Once I upload the hardrive of the laptop used back then, I'll finally have every single message ever sent or received (by/to Magnus) from the first days of earliest Xavax to the first days of your reign. I meticulously saved, organized, and categorized everything that contributed to our design, culture, faith, history, military, law, and decisions, as well as the material that inspired my own contributions and suggestions. (both IC and OOC) I will be updating the Xavax wiki to reflect that history seeing as how so much confusion, misinformation, and omission seems to shroud its early development.
A lot of the most fundamental aspects of Xavax culture were put into place during those earliest days, even before your arrival - to the point where arriving Xavax of your and later generations fell into two camps: those who immediately donned the Xavax mantle of public lore and those who wanted to reform Xavax in their own image/perspective. Thanks to your history as both an amazing RPer, ambitious plotter, former ruler, and power-broker, you brought a significant volume of alternate plans/ideals along for the ride. You had some interesting ideas, which others and myself enjoyed, and Xavax evolved according to your contributions. Xavax wasn't always receptive to you, however, if you'll recall the many who spoke out against you ever becoming Xerarch, or even a Duchess. Not to mention the many, some of which later became fervent Selenian loyalists, who spoke out in private. (Some of which was sent to you as a warning) Also recall our discussion of Magnus proclaiming you the Phoenix Reborn in order to give you an edge against the competition, and how Magnus (and I as a player) saw Selenia (and JV) as the only loyal pretender worthy of carrying the torch, the only one who would honor the phoenix and prevent the rebels from re-writing the history of our people. You were the one and only acceptable successor, something both Magnus and I believed wholeheartedly for very different yet similar reasons. Unfortunately, the whole Dodger debacle ended up prolonging Magnus' reign and forcing his hoped-for peaceful abdication to instead take place after a bloody civil war. We decided, then, both IC and OOC, that Magnus should be wiped from history in order to cement Selenia as a true Xerarch, representative of the sacred Phoenix, and living embodiment of the Phoenix Reborn. Recall even when we discussed the change from neutral gender terms to calling the Phoenix "She/Her" specifically to give you an ideological advantage. You may or may not recall some of this, but the founding and creation of Xavax culture was so vital an aspect of my life that I discussed it profusely with fellow artists and my best friend - long into undying nights. You seem to have forgotten how much of Magnus' later behavior was tailored by Selenia's request, as a direct result of those protests against you gaining too much power and Magnus/My desire to see you crowned regardless. We laughed, both IC and OOC, about how conspiratorial and ironic it would be for Magnus to pave way to the rise of Selenia. Something I've always recalled quite fondly. Soon enough Magnus abdicated just as we had discussed, and did so in a way that would purposely look like it was all thanks to Selenia that the mad-king Magnus was finally dethroned by civil war. (which you incited partially under Magnus' command/suggestion, and I suspect partially to cement your influence. Never did get to confirm or deny claims and hints that you took an active conspiratorial part in the birth of the civil war, though the fact that Magnus practically told you to do so really makes it a moot point.) Still, that does not change the origin of our foundation, much of which either predated your arrival or your deeper involvement in Xavax politics.
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http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Path_of_Paragons (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Path_of_Paragons)
The Phoenix Cult never took off; It's only torchbearer didn't have the time. The Path was founded years later, almost a decade IG, with the doubledeath of Ulfang Mormont, the First Paragon. It's entirely heroic ancestor worship more in line with what you'd find in Norse, Chinese, or Greek mythos. The author of that religion was one of the original Knights of the Black Swan and sadly no longer plays.
Ulfang Mormont? I never knew any Ulfang, but I fondly remember Uthred Mormont. Damn good player, damn good character. As for the the "phoenix cult", the one I describe was always intended to be a reference to early Xavax culture itself. I do not know enough of the phoenix cult you describe to know who did the torchbearing or what exactly they bore. For all I know, someone took the vague Phoenix cult idea and ran with it. Or it could easily be a sarcastic jab at Magnus earliest desire retire from Xerarchy and become Prophet of the Phoenix cult, which is the reason why I began discussing and planning Selenia's rise in the first place. I vaguely considered the idea after the fall of Magnus, but I felt he was too tainted to make a mark. I refused to contest Selenia's designs, and Magnus would sure have ended up doing so. Becoming an actual structured (official) religion was just a bonus to cohesion and long-term planning. A way to prevent too much of that early spark from being eroded by subsequent generations, ambitions, and assimilations of culture and perspective.
I'd like to learn more about these Knights of the Black Swan. To play the devil's advocate and bring up a point seemingly missed, the Path is reminiscent of Catholicism's retroactive and often posthumous sanctification of pivotal archetypal figures through the selectively romanticized recount of history. Note Blessed Bartolo Longo the satanic priest; St. Junipero Serra (brought Catholicism to California, contributed to the genocide of Natives); St. Augustine the hedonistic party animal; St. Angela of Foligno the materialistic adulteress (who only converted at the age of 40 after most of her family died and she fell into a profound depression); St. Dismas the Thief (one of the two crucified beside Lord Jesus Christ); St. Patrick of Ireland; St. Valentine; and a number of others.
As a pagan with a lifelong passion for Greek, Egyptian, Sumerian, and especially Norse mythology; raised in the Holy Roman Catholic Church in both USA and Brazil, as well as numerous Protestant sect churches thanks to various insistent relatives who feuded with our Catholic side of the family; I note less of a parallel to ancient pagan ancestor worship and more of a pretense of ancestor worship using the saint system of Catholicism.
Albeit, the unique culture of Xavax skillfully combined both systems to varying degrees. Good stuff either way!
[/size] They, particularly Kellan Dodger, made it their mission to make my life...interesting. I credit KD in particular with tipping the first domino that eventually brought Selenia to her knees.
What Dodger giveth, Dodger taketh away. Ironic that he was both the one to tip the domino of your ascent and descent.
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It's unclear what the Caligan knights will do. I imagine their players will find IG reasons to go wherever the fun on the Island is. Despite a relatively bad reputation, Sirion may see some new refugees. If not that, then their only immediate choices would be with the Xavax or with Vix/Highmarch as the latter are currently having a blast, lol. I do agree that if the Xavax Schism isn't healed, we could end up seeing a war between the two Xavax factions that will occur primarily in the north and east. Idk if I dread or relish the notion. I can't deny that seeing two Xavax realms at eachother's throats would be exhilarating, even if I could never join in the fun. The whole "Who's the true Xerarch" here...It reminds me of the Eastern and Western Popes. Near as I can tell, this Xavax Schism was primarily driven without initial malicious intent by Asher Renodin, with Sigrid Aru'un in a supporting role and opposed to the Phoenix [Old] Guard that includes Selenia's ruling council and other recognized princes.[/size]
Frankly, who knows.
And aye, you about summed up exactly what Asher and I have been joking about. Who reflects the Eastern or Western Roman Empire I don't know, but that's a moot point. Eastern Roman Empire went on to become the powerhouse of Catholic and secular European powers, while the Eastern Roman Empire gave rise to the Byzantines, Ottomans, Orthodoxy, and so much more. Though the Rome-bound Empire collapsed, it instilled so deep a mark on history that even after shattering it managed to reshape faith, government, history, and politics as we know it.
You could arguably claim that while the Western Romans of Constantinopolis were more successfully cohesive, the Western Roman Empire's fragmentation directly led to the wholesale scattering of post-Roman ideologies the world-over. In that vein, perhaps the Byzantine's unity (well... sort of. All that internal conflict though!) did more damage than good. After all, what you deem more successful depends on your perspective.
Would you:
a) rather last far longer in a somewhat cohesive, if isolated and stagnant state of finely-tuned chaos,
or
b) Shatter completely, forcing the culture, knowledge, wisdom, philosophy, technology, and ideology of your empire to be carried to all corners of the world by those who no longer have a home?
Both were profoundly influential in their success, albeit during different timespans and for completely different reasons.
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Yes, I do recall Magnus Aurea something as Xavax first Ruler. Is he still around, I not sure. That's what you get when too many characters around, only some leaders names I recall well.
No, I killed off Magnus and quit the game until recently returning with the Auru'in cadet branch.
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Yes, I do recall Magnus Aurea something as Xavax first Ruler. Is he still around, I not sure. That's what you get when too many characters around, only some leaders names I recall well.
His player is, Sigrid Aru'un in the game and CryptCypher in this thread. :) The Princes are an honorary position and were never meant to have political power per say, Selenia had selected only one heir before her leaving, my character Aramon Abjur, whose claim is supported, as JeVondair said, by much of the old guard.
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His player is, Sigrid Aru'un in the game and CryptCypher in this thread. :) The Princes are an honorary position and were never meant to have political power per say, Selenia had selected only one heir before her leaving, my character Aramon Abjur, whose claim is supported, as JeVondair said, by much of the old guard.
Now you're tempting me to respond hehe. I won't though, let's keep this one ingame.
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A lot of the most fundamental aspects of Xavax culture were put into place during those earliest days, even before your arrival - to the point where arriving Xavax of your and later generations fell into two camps: those who immediately donned the Xavax mantle of public lore and those who wanted to reform Xavax in their own image/perspective.
Yeah no, I don't remember any of that considering Selenia was the 5th person in the realm and arrived a day after it opened so I'd be curious to see what set-up I missed. We were still land-locked at the time and could only go two regions out from the capital. I remember Selenia urged her supporters to vote for Magnus as first ruler in exchange for the Duchy of Xavax that guaranteed him the win against a former Atamaran queen named Viridiana Sovari. While you and Magnus may have had a very clear vision of Xavax, the rest of us were mostly confused, both OOC and IC, because Magnus himself was erratic and prone to melodrama. Most of Selenia's time as Duchess was spent alternately trying to keep Magnus from exacerbating his nobles while at the same time trying to keep the malcontents from starting an open rebellion. Ultimately, despite doing my best, she failed at both...which is pretty much a metaphor for her entire career.
As for the Black Swan, that occurred after the rebellion when Perdan first entered the Xavax Wars. I did a bit of recruiting and Mozzoni and I made up an RP in September 2016 to cover it. They formed a sort of "new" guard. Only 2-3 players of the original 12 knights are still active in the game. But by our height we had over 60 noble families in Xavax sharing the tiny, tiny tax income Xavax provided.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Greater_Xavax/Black_Swan (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Greater_Xavax/Black_Swan)
Most everything of note that you missed is squirreled away on the Xavax wiki somewhere. Please don't split the Xavax into two opposed groups, the wiki-upkeep will become a nightmare :-X
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Very cool, I'll read up on that wiki page in an hour or so. Also, no worries. Damn sure I too will be surprised at much of what those old messages uncover.
Its difficult to memorize every random exchange where even an off-hour 2-sentence message may spark a major shift in policy, action, or perspective that snowballs to unexpected magnitudes.
See, for example, the "Marry Sigrid to King <redacted>" movement that gained a majority of Xaxax votes semi-recently. It was a massive surprise to me as both a player and to Sigrid the character, who developed new beliefs and feelings from the aftermath.
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Godric (Family ka Habb, BaricaBoat I think his name is on these forums) wrote Xavax's laws, something I was loathe to touch during Aramons tenure as Arbiter because it's an impressive (if a bit ponderous) document. He and JeVondair deserve more credit for the Xavax Wiki pages, they put a lot of work in there.
And JeVondair, you sell yourself short. Xavax could have fallen apart after the failed rebellion, but you pulled us together in a way that I've not seen elsewhere. Hell, I was expecting to settle Aramon down into the quiet life of a priest or a courtier after the rebellion, but Selenia managed to bring out sides of that character I thought were long dead in him (after all, it's not to every woman he awkwardly suggests using himself to legitimize their pregnancy! :p)
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Ah, good times. I remember when the first laws were made, he did a damn good job.
JV, Aramon does have a point. You were the glue that held it all together. Its why I chose you. You had the voice, the smarts, the contacts, the capability, and I'll be damned if you didn't do a better job than anyone could have managed.
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Whatever happened to that guy who would torture peasants and wear their faces as masks?
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(OOC discussion from earlier this week - food for thought)
"...While the Sirion-Xavax represent the late Xavax theocratic-imperialist ideology of Selenia, the southern/Fontan Xavax represent the earliest Xavax ideology of liberal meritocracy beneath the guidance of a Xerarch, welcoming foreign tongues and faiths of all who would embrace our culture and seed it with their own revitalizing creeds.
Compare it to the schism between imperial Britain/Spain/Portugal/France/etc and (pre/post-) colonial Americas; ancient and orthodox hebrew versus modern liberal israelites; the reformation and evolution of Christianity through Catholicism, Protestantism, Ethiopian Coptic and Mono/Miaphysites of ancient Abyssinia/Alexandria/etc, and other such epochal branches; or the schism of the East and West Roman Empires most of all.
Each with their unique strengths and weaknesses, visions and biases, geographies and infrastructure, and unique flavor of what it means to represent their beloved cultures.
This is what I've striven to create of Xavax since day one. Not a bloated, unified imperium as Selenia envisioned, but a Lurianesque federation of rival meritocratic city-states clinging to variations of Xavax culture that both define and defy their identities. Unified against external forces at times, yet incessantly feuding among themselves.
In a way, it may still come to pass. Regardless, this is fun!"
Food for thought.
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See, for example, the "Marry Sigrid to King <redacted>" movement that gained a majority of Xaxax votes semi-recently. It was a massive surprise to me as both a player and to Sigrid the character, who developed new beliefs and feelings from the aftermath.
And here I am, parachute falling into the middle of this marriage mess.
Whatever happened to that guy who would torture peasants and wear their faces as masks?
I believed that Dürion had been the first to do this in the final stages of the war against Westmoor.
Each with their unique strengths and weaknesses, visions and biases, geographies and infrastructure, and unique flavor of what it means to represent their beloved cultures.
Brasil, is that you!?
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(OOC discussion from earlier this week - food for thought)
"...While the Sirion-Xavax represent the late Xavax theocratic-imperialist ideology of Selenia, the southern/Fontan Xavax represent the earliest Xavax ideology of liberal meritocracy beneath the guidance of a Xerarch, welcoming foreign tongues and faiths of all who would embrace our culture and seed it with their own revitalizing creeds.
Compare it to the schism between imperial Britain/Spain/Portugal/France/etc and (pre/post-) colonial Americas; ancient and orthodox hebrew versus modern liberal israelites; the reformation and evolution of Christianity through Catholicism, Protestantism, Ethiopian Coptic and Mono/Miaphysites of ancient Abyssinia/Alexandria/etc, and other such epochal branches; or the schism of the East and West Roman Empires most of all.
Each with their unique strengths and weaknesses, visions and biases, geographies and infrastructure, and unique flavor of what it means to represent their beloved cultures.
This is what I've striven to create of Xavax since day one. Not a bloated, unified imperium as Selenia envisioned, but a Lurianesque federation of rival meritocratic city-states clinging to variations of Xavax culture that both define and defy their identities. Unified against external forces at times, yet incessantly feuding among themselves.
In a way, it may still come to pass. Regardless, this is fun!"
Food for thought.
South Xavax should adopt Highmarch's constitution as its own. :P
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South Xavax should adopt Highmarch's constitution as its own.
Please, no... what a feast of referendums. As long as I admire the work and the effort to create something new and dynamic, this is a political nightmare. Add to that a lot of different Princes and factions within Xavax and all you have is nothing being done.
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Please, no... what a feast of referendums. As long as I admire the work and the effort to create something new and dynamic, this is a political nightmare. Add to that a lot of different Princes and factions within Xavax and all you have is nothing being done.
Who needs to get anything done? Highmarch will have already done for you all that needs doing. ;)
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Yes, but there will still be a profusion of diferents referendums all the time... and Xavax as a people are too fragmented. They need a strong leadership to start well before they devour themselves.
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Exactly, referendums let people fight it out in a non-destructive manner. ;)
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And where's the fun??? ;D
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And where's the fun??? ;D
ReferendumMaster! :D
Oooh... should totally think of an issue that requires a referendum just to allow a referendum on it.
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(Distant rumbling....)
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I giveth thee a resounding hell-no.
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Quite some discussion going on. Impressed.
We're making stuff happen and not only for ourselves. Waves hit all the shores.
If you want to be part of it all, you can. Let me know (Asher Renodin) ingame or message me on the forum.
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Can I get a synopsis s'il vous plaît?
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Prince Asher has been swayed by Governor Mathias' rhetoric and has decided to found the new Xavax as a democracy, using Highmarch's constitution.
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Lies, lies and slander!
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Prince Asher has been swayed by Governor Mathias' rhetoric and has decided to found the new Xavax as a democracy, using Highmarch's constitution.
Fake News!
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;D never, the Phoenix lives!
If anything its the other way around I'd say.
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;D never, the Phoenix lives!
If anything its the other way around I'd say.
Democratic Pheonix. :)
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I'll be very interested to see how this plays out. I despise democracies in this game.
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I'll be very interested to see how this plays out. I despise democracies in this game.
And yet they usually make the funnest realms to play in because they make it a lot easier to clean out the dead wood and change things.
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Perleone might shape up to be a real Democracy soon. With even more Democracy than Vix itself! :O
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Booooo. Democracy. Boooo!
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Booooo. Democracy. Boooo!
Republics are superior, sure, but what can I say, democracy's the flavor of the day!