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BattleMaster => Locals => Colonies => Topic started by: Nathan on July 14, 2011, 05:08:00 PM
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I've been thinking about moving my character from Giblot to somewhere new. Being at war with everyone else in the Colonies means I don't really have a choice where I move to, so I was wondering: what it's like in the newest realm on the island? Does it have much of the old Alebad spirit? Or is it plodding along at its own pace? Do many people speak there?
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I've spoken with several of the members of Minas Thalion and I think it's probably your best option.
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I was there a short time near the end of last year and I didn't find anything endearing about it. No life to it at all. Things might have changed. A few Oritolonese bad eggs headed that way after the rebellion and they certainly don't seem the type to enjoy a quiet life of reading turn reports. Course you can always try Minas Thalion and if things aren't to your taste move on to another realm - this time without the threat of capture or banishment from hostile realms to contend with on the way.
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It's very quiet.
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Ya we could use some help there tho. Need something to spark the place to life. Wont take much, as there are a few active people, but needs SOMETHING... perhaps just needs come culture
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Can I send 1 of my character to Minas Thalion? Not going be Ash for sure, but my priestess of the Moon and Sun. I want both my 2 characters fight against each other.... ;D
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Can I send 1 of my character to Minas Thalion? Not going be Ash for sure, but my priestess of the Moon and Sun. I want both my 2 characters fight against each other.... ;D
We'd be happy to welcome her. The whole point of MT - at least under Cathal's leadership - is that it's a fresh start for anyone who wants it regardless of family ties or personal history and we're also open to all religions.
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For knowing Ash, Ash is surely not welcome in MT 8)
Maybe my other character priestess May...... I have been wanting to RolePlay brother and sister rivalry in the form of my 2 characters; Brock and May before May got deported from that island to Colonies :(
Is there such thing as new beginning for characters in Minas Thalion? The same welcoming mat from the Realm of Assassins, does it exist in MT too?
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I was welcomed in, but I've played with several of these characters for years.
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I was welcomed in, but I've played with several of these characters for years.
Great, see you soon :)
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wait, you're moving to MT?
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wait, you're moving to MT?
I have 2 characters on Colonies island: Ash and May. Tend to play my characters differently and trying to flesh them and RolePlay them in different ways.
Ash is the loyalist type, he wont change realm even if until he dies, not when he has fought so hard to help shape Oritolon as it is today :)
May, she is Path of Chivalry religion Priestess, one of the Elders, although she not the Head of the order. Not sure if you get her message below recently. She could be the one, there is only 1 living character know her well, and surprising, it is not Ash, her own brother.
If truth be known, I took up the priestess robe as I oppose war. No amount of big honor or prestige I had, can undo the much bloods on my hands. When I first stepped out of the ship onto Oritolon realm after my unfortunate deportation, I could not sleep peacefully. Till I heard the bell rang from Path of Chivalry temple. And it was at this moment, I chosen to embrace the life of peace and serenity, which brought peace to myself. Only then did I able to sleep peacefully at nights.
My life before Oritolon, was covered much in wars and bloods. I had killed a lot of men in battles. I had thrown away my sword, bow and arrows in exchange for the peace. Peace as in many forms, beside my own.
No matter how great the temptation to lead the men in battles between both our realms, I had chosen to continue my Path. Amount of men that can only be commanded by high honor and prestige does not intrigue me anymore. I am a pacifist by nature now.
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I joined Minas Thalion yesterday. For now, the place seems very vibrant and has an active and dynamic player community. It is is quite refreshing for me since I never played Colonies before.
The political situation for Minas Thalion looks good too. Interesting war currently going on, and if played right Minas Thalion can become a rather impressive realm. Looking forward to help them achieve this. :)
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That's good to see you enjoy Colonies. MT is a good realm from what I hear thus far :)
Hope our path may cross 8)
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MT may not make it as a realm for long.
It really has had a tough time with diplomatically. OT and Assassins are too entrenched to aid them... Giblot is too wounded...
Oritolon is not as strong as it once was. Too many failed (or successful) internal struggles have left the nobility depleted and unable to perform in a timely manner. Orit I think is MT's best bet at survival.
Lukon sees MT as a corrupt place. Full of the Architects of past anti Lukon plots... Which of course it is...
MT may not last too long. BUT we can all hope it becomes the battle cry of others who hope to stand against the tyranny of Lukon
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Ahh the jabs at Lukon from Lukon. Valast I do enjoy playing this game with you.
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Seeing the whole Lukon army battle against MT at MT own capital city. MT will not last long indeed, unless... unless something revolutionary happen, something totally unexpected ;)
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Like Valdrix and Anomalous recruiting hundreds of militia? ;)
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Just funnel those Lukonian freaks to me... we will eat them alive!!!
"no!! we will destroy you MT skum!!!"
Now now... Lukons army is beaten... go home.
"We lost a battle! but we have torn down your walls!"
Yep...its offical... I HAVE LOST MY MIND
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That's what makes it fun. Too bad Anomalous is in prison missing the action. Things were JUST heating up internally, and now he's lost his lordship and the means to backup his influence.
I wonder if the Horde exchanges prisoners.
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Anomalous in prison alright, it depend on both realms Judges to work it out I guess.
I thought of seeing 1 Lukon noble captured by MT as well.
Judge has the function to Exchange Prisoner, eh no? ???
Valast, you are freaky as usual 8)
Wondering how MT diplomacy can help to prevent MT demise at Lukon hand. Where's the allies when you need them? The very mention of Lukon name can send shiver down many people bones spines :P
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Wondering how MT diplomacy can help to prevent MT demise at Lukon hand. Where's the allies when you need them? The very mention of Lukon name can send shiver down many people bones spines :P
The problem with allies is that second sentence right there.
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;D
Valast had a lot to do with many many power turnovers, plots, wars, assignations... so that everyone would be where they are now. Not trying to toot my own horn or anything like that...which is why he is spoken of in 3rd person... but it is true in this case.
Every time something changed in the game, Valast made sure he was on top of it. If a war looked like it may end then he would let out a little information he had been holding back. Or if he wanted to war with one realm he would make sure another war was started with realms that could come to the aid of his victim.
Always with a focus of keeping Oritolon busy, happy, and guarding the south so that Lukon could send its entire army north somewhere. And the entire task was goal oriented to bring down every realm that had stood against Lukon in the early war against Portion.
OT was allowed to survive because Giblot was always too strong of a threat if left unopposed. So why not let the two battle it out...provide a little aid to which ever side was loosing and keep it going. Until OT was almost destroyed that is....then Valast took a more friendly direction with OT
(side note... Giblot was aiding Lukon in the portion war. Giblot gave the Hendrix family funds for troops and for a palace in Lukon...and later chose to keep OT busy after they had raided Lukon and killed Valasts brother)
Free will was never detained by Valast of course...and he did not directly lie to anyone..errr ok not often. But it is amazing what a little nudge here or there will provide.
Lukons troubles began when Alowca fell. Without a direct enemy, Oritolon fell into its self bickering and fighting... rebellions... lies... hard to retain trust with each other with that much turn over. Next Giblot tossed off its yolk. That made things complicated for a while...unpredictable...uncontrollable.
But taking down Giblot has been a big big job.
Anyway... Valakyrie does not have the cunning her father did. Her brother has it. So while Lukon is still a beast...lead by beasts... it has lost some of it growl. Fangs are still sharp and it will bite you... but in doing so it may leave its self exposed to the rest of the wolf pack.
Um...what that paragraph above means is that Valakyrie is not as successful as her father was in keeping other realms where Lukon needs them to be. Assassins have a MT friendly ruler (not to mention a bad taste in its mouth after the whole Innocent/Wetham thing, which Ares caught wind of...lol that story is for another post I think)... Oritolon still does not remember her past strongly enough to respect Lukon (thus Lukon must resort to the same fear tactics used on other realms)... OT has become Lukons friend but no much is said between the two peoples, and Rak can never be controlled...yet always unpredictable.
MT has become a beacon of anti Lukon thinking... thus Lukon is fighting them now. But MT continues to grow stronger in characters and influence. If they had the money and land to back them they would stand a chance. If they do not figure out how to get it though...well...then they will be scattered to the wind of a Lukonian fart.
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I always assume that Lukon is friendly with OT because of the Lich King thing.
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You make me miss Valast as a character. Seeing the latest scout report of Alebad city, unless Lukon and Oritolon combine force together, it will take sometime to send Minas Thalion into history book to be read by others 8)
Now if MT fall, where will you all scatter to? Whichever realms that accept MT nobles, by most account, will end up being part of history book if Lukon has its own way ::)
Val, you are right about Oritolon. It falls into internal bickering when we do not have anybody, any direct enemy to contend with. And with MT gladly accepting about any kind of nobles into its ranks, Orit has found itself an enemy :P
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Oritolon was mostly gutted by multi accers and OOC clans followed by a long period of peace that allowed incompetent elected officials to become entrenched with noobs electing and supporting noobs. There was no legitimate internal bickering. Put Spearhead or Actrial back in PM and I guarantee priest stomping will return.
Finding an enemy doesn't mean anything when the army is run by people who either give bad orders or no orders, with half of them sent out to 'secret missions'.
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It does make me chuckle how badly Oritolon has done. We thought we were lions taking on lambs! I really hope Minas Thalion survives. They deserve it. Tbh, it doesn't seem all that much like she will fall. Whether or not Lukon is really intent on taking down Minas Thalon, they definitely appear organised enough to survive the onslaught. Maybe not forever and ever, but I do think Minas Thalion will be with us for a while yet.
The war between Oritolon and Mina Thalion will have to stop soon though. I reckon when all is said and done, Alowca will have gone rogue, all the southern regions will be in utter ruins and neither Oritolon or Minas Thalion will be strong enough to take Alowca for themselves. There will have to be an accommodation or agreement of some kind. That should be interesting.
Oritolon was mostly gutted by multi accers and OOC clans followed by a long period of peace that allowed incompetent elected officials to become entrenched with noobs electing and supporting noobs. There was no legitimate internal bickering. Put Spearhead or Actrial back in PM and I guarantee priest stomping will return.
Finding an enemy doesn't mean anything when the army is run by people who either give bad orders or no orders, with half of them sent out to 'secret missions'.
I'd bloody love it if Spearhead just came to life tomorrow, grabbed this war by the balls and just generally reinvigorated all of Oritolon. Doesn't seem like Actrial or Spearhead are actually that bothered any more though. Hard to believe they're the same people who overcame the theocracies.
Honestly, those guys ought to be paragons of what Oritolon stands for. They should be setting an example to everybody else, helping foster a decent, vibrant realm culture. Instead Spearhead is so quiet he might as well be dead and Actrial just sits back making snide remarks. Maybe if either of them stepped up and rose to the challenge, things would change for the better?
Either way, I don't think the war has done Oritolon any real harm. Oritolon had become stagnant and complacent. Minas Thalion were already biding their time to mug us of Alowca and on the evidence of this war, I think it unlikely we'd have lasted even this long against her if we'd been caught by surprise. But as you say anyway, we were on a downward curve. Oritolon had already become kind of a decrepit old husk with barely enough nobles to function. A period of reinvention and replenishing of nobles after the war will probably do Oritolon the world of good.
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Oritolon was mostly gutted by multi accers and OOC clans followed by a long period of peace that allowed incompetent elected officials to become entrenched with noobs electing and supporting noobs. There was no legitimate internal bickering. Put Spearhead or Actrial back in PM and I guarantee priest stomping will return.
Finding an enemy doesn't mean anything when the army is run by people who either give bad orders or no orders, with half of them sent out to 'secret missions'.
Yes, but can you blame the one mastermind behind the multi accer? He has a dream, a lofty dream indeed to reenergize the whole Oritolon realm. We have seen how active Oritolon realm can be, during the rebellion times. How many messages and planning efforts we put to work? How I miss the rebellion times and also the priests wars against Alowca and Alebad realms... :'(
Put Spearhead and we may end up more quieter than before. Put Actrial, I agree we could be in for interesting times. Now the last election, we can see how the Oritolon realm votes divided between Actrial, Spearhead and Rhiannon :P
Hey, we gotta get back to the topic, this topic is about MT 8)
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It does make me chuckle how badly Oritolon has done. We thought we were lions taking on lambs! I really hope Minas Thalion survives. They deserve it. Tbh, it doesn't seem all that much like she will fall. Whether or not Lukon is really intent on taking down Minas Thalon, they definitely appear organised enough to survive the onslaught. Maybe not forever and ever, but I do think Minas Thalion will be with us for a while yet.
Haha... Oritolon is nothing, but unorganized realm at its worst declining moment. It is a wonder why Lukon still stick up beside Oritolon ::)
Yes, Minas Thalion will be with us for a little while longer. I can see Lukon saw a bogeyman in MT. But then again, somebody has to balance OT against Giblot war ;)
I'd bloody love it if Spearhead just came to life tomorrow, grabbed this war by the balls and just generally reinvigorated all of Oritolon. Doesn't seem like Actrial or Spearhead are actually that bothered any more though. Hard to believe they're the same people who overcame the theocracies.
Honestly, those guys ought to be paragons of what Oritolon stands for. They should be setting an example to everybody else, helping foster a decent, vibrant realm culture. Instead Spearhead is so quiet he might as well be dead and Actrial just sits back making snide remarks. Maybe if either of them stepped up and rose to the challenge, things would change for the better?
Hmm, it would be nice if Spearhead is actively participating like he was before. Unfortunately what he really care is his family home region, Windaria lordship. Which is why he could not win the Oritolon Ruler election on his own. The last Ruler election had 3 candidates; Actrial, Rhiannon and Spearhead. Your guess is as good as mine why Rhiannon keeps winning ???
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Honestly, those guys ought to be paragons of what Oritolon stands for. They should be setting an example to everybody else, helping foster a decent, vibrant realm culture. Instead Spearhead is so quiet he might as well be dead and Actrial just sits back making snide remarks. Maybe if either of them stepped up and rose to the challenge, things would change for the better?
It's impossible if you never get elected because the realm is full of noobs who've never known better.
Either way, I don't think the war has done Oritolon any real harm. Oritolon had become stagnant and complacent. Minas Thalion were already biding their time to mug us of Alowca and on the evidence of this war, I think it unlikely we'd have lasted even this long against her if we'd been caught by surprise. But as you say anyway, we were on a downward curve. Oritolon had already become kind of a decrepit old husk with barely enough nobles to function. A period of reinvention and replenishing of nobles after the war will probably do Oritolon the world of good.
Every single realm in the game is currently on a long term downward trend. You'll have to sink an island to get back to old playable densities. New estates would be nice too.
Hmm, it would be nice if Spearhead is actively participating like he was before. Unfortunately what he really care is his family home region, Windaria lordship. Which is why he could not win the Oritolon Ruler election on his own. The last Ruler election had 3 candidates; Actrial, Rhiannon and Spearhead. Your guess is as good as mine why Rhiannon keeps winning ???
I was assuming you voted for her but from this did you actually vote Spearhead? Next time I think I might vote Spearhead then ask for General. Perhaps having votes split between two old candidates is bad.
I really thought she was a goner after offering 1k gold and 1k food for a ceasefire, but no one even batted an eyelid.
Bleh who needs to be elected. Time to start winning.
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I was assuming you voted for her but from this did you actually vote Spearhead? Next time I think I might vote Spearhead then ask for General. Perhaps having votes split between two old candidates is bad.
I really thought she was a goner after offering 1k gold and 1k food for a ceasefire, but no one even batted an eyelid.
Bleh who needs to be elected. Time to start winning.
Well, I never voted for her after her latest surrender terms case. Yes, I voted Spearhead. You are good at guess 8)
You are doubly right, we should start winning the battles ;D
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Cathal's peace offer was always very simple: pay what you think you ought to as recompense for your treachery, then let's ally/federate and build a new power block to balance Lukon. He was also very careful to restrain those forces who wanted to see Oritolon destroyed because that would have made such an outcome impossible.
However successive Oritolon governments have procrastinated in the hopes Lukon would solve the problem for them, and there'll be a price to pay for taking that course. Where is the sweetness in victory when it's another's arms who achieve it? And more to the point, where is the relevance of a realm who can't defend her own borders? Breaking Oritolon's field army was far too easy given her natural advantages.
The obvious course for Oritolon is to have done with independence and merge fully with Lukon for the north-south war which must happen once Giblot falls. A nice big apocalyptic conflict to either end the Colonies and send them crashing into the waves, or break Lukon's power and start a new age with maybe some new realms to spice things up.
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feyeleanor, no disrespect to Cathal and his peace offer. Unfortunately many old guys in Orit did see the loss of Alowca duchy regions as a sort of embarrassment to them. After all, they all presided over the demise of Alowca realm in the past. If Alowca realm come to life, surely they cant sleep well ;D
Congratulations Actrial/Kai on your election as Prime Minister. Finally Rhiannon the one PM who offered 1K gold and 1K food was brought down to earth :P
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feyeleanor, no disrespect to Cathal and his peace offer. Unfortunately many old guys in Orit did see the loss of Alowca duchy regions as a sort of embarrassment to them. After all, they all presided over the demise of Alowca realm in the past. If Alowca realm come to life, surely they cant sleep well ;D
I was worried at one point that Oritolon would accept - especially once I put permanent title to Alowca on the table. Thankfully "thrice-cursed" Spearhead and the other old-timers would never make peace with an Alowcan, as Cleatus made very clear once war was declared. Ash really does have some treacherous realm mates :)
And whilst Cathal would willingly embrace an alliance with Oritolon - his earliest prophecies were a call to rescue Oritolon's people from Valast's dominion - this was but a test for the all-encompassing war he's long anticipated.
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So... about MT
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So... about MT
MT is dying and will cease to be a realm soon... So much for the Utopia clannie super dragon kingdom there 8)
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Weird, MT now have a region in the far north.
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It does indeed.
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Weird, MT now have a region in the far north.
We're just too cool to stay dead ;)
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Cool, MT has new region so up there. Now if Lukon eyes move down to up, hehehe :P
I never know MT TO that region either, Kai ::)
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If Lukon makes that move it'll show the deception that is their war with Giblot. A war whose sole purpose is to keep Assassins and OT dancing on their leash :P
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Oh they dont have to dance... they can just hum along and shift weight from one foot to the other...
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Oh they dont have to dance... they can just hum along and shift weight from one foot to the other...
They have to be careful not to let their feet slip though or the leash could easily become a noose ;)
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With regard to why Minas Thalion still survive ;D
Creedy: [desperately shooting at the approaching V] Die! Die! Why won't you die?... Why won't you die?
V: Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy. And ideas are bulletproof.
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but then he dies......
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True, but the idea didn't die with him 8)
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True, but the idea didn't die with him 8)
Good revolution idea. Now all we need are the men and tools to do it. Somebody in Assassins is planning something with MT ;)
Why MT still have not die? They lost Drenga region, left Koolaris, out of which they are smart to create a duchy 8)
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Good revolution idea. Now all we need are the men and tools to do it. Somebody in Assassins is planning something with MT ;)
Why MT still have not die? They lost Drenga region, left Koolaris, out of which they are smart to create a duchy 8)
It only takes a couple of active players to keep a realm alive so long as they know what they're doing, and with Giblot giving up the ghost there's more space in the north-east to play with. I don't know if we can do more than hold a couple of regions though without a fresh injection of nobles.
Anyway, when's Oritolon going to retake Alowca? Or should Cathal come south and reassert his claims :)
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It only takes a couple of active players to keep a realm alive so long as they know what they're doing, and with Giblot giving up the ghost there's more space in the north-east to play with. I don't know if we can do more than hold a couple of regions though without a fresh injection of nobles.
Anyway, when's Oritolon going to retake Alowca? Or should Cathal come south and reassert his claims :)
I'm trying to get OL moving, people seem to be a little slow to understand that the new estate system means that we can expand pretty rapidly now.
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I'm trying to get OL moving, people seem to be a little slow to understand that the new estate system means that we can expand pretty rapidly now.
I'm just hoping everyone will leave MT alone for a while whilst I work on some ideas for new ways of playing the game. For one thing the new ability to raise militia directly from a region means cities are no longer as essential for recruiting, so the idea of a frontier realm seems a lot more plausible than when we made the trek north. And the new tax system means Cathal will have a legitimate income for the first time in many months :)
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It only takes a couple of active players to keep a realm alive so long as they know what they're doing, and with Giblot giving up the ghost there's more space in the north-east to play with. I don't know if we can do more than hold a couple of regions though without a fresh injection of nobles.
Anyway, when's Oritolon going to retake Alowca? Or should Cathal come south and reassert his claims :)
You know, the MT-Orit war earlier have make all Orit people grow older faster. Soon we are a bunch of old bones walking around ;)
I'm trying to get OL moving, people seem to be a little slow to understand that the new estate system means that we can expand pretty rapidly now.
The old leaders with the old understanding of game mechanism kinda slowdown our progress, isn't it? Time to put a new leader at the top and hasten our revolution within, shall we? 8)
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You know, the MT-Orit war earlier have make all Orit people grow older faster. Soon we are a bunch of old bones walking around ;)
The old leaders with the old understanding of game mechanism kinda slowdown our progress, isn't it? Time to put a new leader at the top and hasten our revolution within, shall we? 8)
And there was me thinking Rhiannon was young blood making a name for herself.
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And there was me thinking Rhiannon was young blood making a name for herself.
Dont worry, Rhiannon is indeed a young blood making a name for herself. After all, if we cant beat her, better join her, right? ;)
Maybe Actrial will return as our next Ruler, considering the close election recently.
It seems the new estate change can save Minas Thalion in time, but Giblot is almost a foregone conclusion 8)
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Dont worry, Rhiannon is indeed a young blood making a name for herself. After all, if we cant beat her, better join her, right? ;)
Maybe Actrial will return as our next Ruler, considering the close election recently.
It seems the new estate change can save Minas Thalion in time, but Giblot is almost a foregone conclusion 8)
The new estate system pays taxes in bonds, so we'll have to find a way to work around that. Pretty much everything else though is now doable without a city which I think is a great improvement. I'm still not sure quite what MT can do to rebuild our power but it should be an interesting learning curve :)
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The new estate system pays taxes in bonds, so we'll have to find a way to work around that. Pretty much everything else though is now doable without a city which I think is a great improvement. I'm still not sure quite what MT can do to rebuild our power but it should be an interesting learning curve :)
I gonna have to give Minas Thalion credit where it is due. After all, MT being forced out of Alebad city at the south and venturing to the north, this turn out to be a good gambit.
When the Colonies map realignment dust settle down, we going see a lot of happening on Colonies island. I am keeping my fingers crossed ;)
The tax pay in bond part mystify me in the beginning. As I have no character on testing island and pretty much do explore things on my own. Curiousity does get better of me sometime :)
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I gonna have to give Minas Thalion credit where it is due. After all, MT being forced out of Alebad city at the south and venturing to the north, this turn out to be a good gambit.
When the Colonies map realignment dust settle down, we going see a lot of happening on Colonies island. I am keeping my fingers crossed ;)
The tax pay in bond part mystify me in the beginning. As I have no character on testing island and pretty much do explore things on my own. Curiousity does get better of me sometime :)
I had a fortnight to test it out when Aoifa was deported - so thanks for that :)
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I had a fortnight to test it out when Aoifa was deported - so thanks for that :)
Many people ask Ash to execute Aoifa when Aoifa got caught second time. As I play Ash as honorable and good character, he did not bow to them. Got 1 person even call Ash "A Judge who afraid to execute enemy" and have a few good laugh at Ash. Thus when come next Judge election, Ash majority vote lower but he scrapped through and win in Orit 8)
Perhaps one day will come when MT and Orit can be friend once again ::)
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I always did think Ash was wasted on Oritolon. BTW the offer to May's still open if she fancies a vacation in the north ;)
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I always did think Ash was wasted on Oritolon. BTW the offer to May's still open if she fancies a vacation in the north ;)
Heh. You look too highly of Ash :)
May might consider a vacation to the north. Her heart is pretty much disturbed :P
It might be good if Minas Thalion work more on Diplomacy with its neighbors, if you dont want any realm to come knocking before the rebuilding complete ;)
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We've been getting ourselves settled and playing things low-key whilst we do so. Cathal's also trying not to get his friends amongst the Assassins fixed in Lukon's crosshairs whilst also not offending OT over his plan to turn Giblot's northern provinces into some semblance of a functioning realm. Until then diplomacy's a moot point.
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We've been getting ourselves settled and playing things low-key whilst we do so. Cathal's also trying not to get his friends amongst the Assassins fixed in Lukon's crosshairs whilst also not offending OT over his plan to turn Giblot's northern provinces into some semblance of a functioning realm. Until then diplomacy's a moot point.
Until then, let hope Lukon eyes do not turn toward the north ugly crown of the king of Colonies ;)
Maybe MT should consider dividing up Giblot former lands with OT, that would satisfy them a bit :P
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Until then, let hope Lukon eyes do not turn toward the north ugly crown of the king of Colonies ;)
Given how many ex-Assassins there are in Lukon that may well be where the next war happens. If Lukon can find a way to bring OT to the party with them then Dark Citadel wouldn't last long and they'd be a step closer to complete conquest of the Colonies.
Maybe MT should consider dividing up Giblot former lands with OT, that would satisfy them a bit :P
OT are welcome to Giblot city so I don't think there'll be much tension over territory for a while. Things could get a bit tense though if they develop an interest in Ammersfield as we're currently trying to settle there ourselves.