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Title: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Zakky on September 19, 2018, 12:36:43 AM
Title: Free kegs during a festival
Summary: Make refilling kegs free while a festival is being held in the region you are in.
Details: Filling kegs will cost 0 silver for the duration of the festival
Benefits: Will help people fill kegs cheaply. Also it will make festivals more meaningful than just another tool for managing region stats
Possible Downsides or Exploits: Not sure how often you can hold festivals but region lords might try to hold festivals too often.
Title: Re: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Logar on September 19, 2018, 12:54:37 AM
Like....

But perhaps also....

Title: Re: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Anaris on September 19, 2018, 12:58:59 AM
Title: Free kegs during a festival
Summary: Make refilling kegs free while a festival is being held in the region you are in.
Details: Filling kegs will cost 0 silver for the duration of the festival
Benefits: Will help people fill kegs cheaply. Also it will make festivals more meaningful than just another tool for managing region stats
Possible Downsides or Exploits: Not sure how often you can hold festivals but region lords might try to hold festivals too often.

That's really cute, I like it. Just need to make sure there's an easy way to prevent abuse.
Title: Re: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: PolarRaven on September 19, 2018, 04:03:18 AM
To help prevent abuse, the gold /silver cost could be free, but the time required could be more than the normal one hour.
When you are paying cash, it is straight to business. 
When it is free, you must spend your hours "socializing" and talking up the various barkeeps.
Title: Re: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Zakky on September 19, 2018, 06:13:06 AM
Like....

But perhaps also....

  • Seriously limit the number of empty kegs each character can refill in a day to avoid abuse. Even as low as 2 or 3 kegs a day?
  • A message or rumour to adventurers within a close vicinity of the region (if they have enough adventuring skill to overhear the rumour) announcing the nearby festival.

24 kegs isn't much to be honest. Thats like 60 fatigue. You will run through kegs super fast.
Title: Re: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Vita` on September 19, 2018, 06:36:19 AM
To help prevent abuse, the gold /silver cost could be free, but the time required could be more than the normal one hour.
When you are paying cash, it is straight to business. 
When it is free, you must spend your hours "socializing" and talking up the various barkeeps.
Also, being known as having free kegs, there will probably be long lines :P
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Anaris on September 19, 2018, 02:12:18 PM
It wouldn't be too difficult to make it a one-time-per-day refill of as many kegs as you've got. I think that's the way I'd probably do it.
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: PolarRaven on September 19, 2018, 11:03:57 PM
It wouldn't be too difficult to make it a one-time-per-day refill of as many kegs as you've got. I think that's the way I'd probably do it.
Do full kegs that are used just disappear, or are they added back into your inventory as empty kegs?
I should likely know this, but have never really given it any thought before.
(I just tried, but I have no advy hours left and the keg I used did not empty after 4 uses.  Any other time I am lucky to get 2-3 uses per keg)

_IF_ the used kegs go back into inventory as empty kegs, I believe that there would be more room for possible abuse.
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Stabbity on September 19, 2018, 11:06:54 PM
They are added as empty kegs. However, the room for abuse is limited. I mean, how much fatigue can you possibly accrue and then drink away during the course of a festival?
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: PolarRaven on September 20, 2018, 12:00:49 AM
They are added as empty kegs. However, the room for abuse is limited. I mean, how much fatigue can you possibly accrue and then drink away during the course of a festival?
During the festival is not my concern. 
An advy with 50 or 60 kegs would would certainly get a much larger benefit than one with only a few.
As it stands now, my advy saves her kegs for "emergencies".  If she knew that she could refill all her kegs in one stop at a festival, there would be less need to conserve them. 

Over time, they could actually replace the need to pay for lodging or refilling kegs. 
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Gordy77 on September 20, 2018, 02:21:01 AM
My advy uses kegs to reduce time lost gathering to fatigue,and to visit a sage when time is a premium. Having kept a close eye on keg prices, they are rarely affordable, so any free kegs are a literal bonus.
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Zakky on September 20, 2018, 08:08:24 AM
I think festivals only last for a day? So you can only fill 24 kegs at most.
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Medron Pryde on September 20, 2018, 09:23:26 AM
This would be awesome.
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Wimpie on September 20, 2018, 10:43:44 AM
Someone should transform this into a feature request on the Bugtracker.
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Vita` on September 20, 2018, 03:40:10 PM
It wouldn't be too difficult to make it a one-time-per-day refill of as many kegs as you've got. I think that's the way I'd probably do it.
I disagree with 'as many kegs as youve got'.

I take it one-time-per-day means all advy characters have 24 hours to click the 'get free keg refill' button? Festivals are only one-day/24 hours?
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Zakky on September 20, 2018, 08:55:16 PM
It wouldn't be too difficult to make it a one-time-per-day refill of as many kegs as you've got. I think that's the way I'd probably do it.
I'd love this. I don't even know why Vita wants to make things so tedious unnecessarily.
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Stabbity on September 20, 2018, 10:57:37 PM
I'd love this. I don't even know why Vita wants to make things so tedious unnecessarily.

Why do birds sing? Why is water wet?
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: PolarRaven on September 21, 2018, 12:15:36 AM
Maybe it could be treated similar gathering.
You spend "X" hours "chatting up the local barkeeps"

Possible results could be:
1) a random number of kegs refilled for free.
2) you stagger away drunk with no kegs but had a great time.
3) you wake up the next morning with a hell of a headache (fatigue) and find yourself in the local jail.
4) you wake up in a back alley the next morning and find you have been robbed (silver or kegs).
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Zakky on September 21, 2018, 01:10:28 AM
I wouldn't go with jail. With our system, that is a week stuck in there.

I'd just change 4) to something like lightly wounded.
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Vita` on September 21, 2018, 01:25:11 AM
I'd love this. I don't even know why Vita wants to make things so tedious unnecessarily.
Oh, I dunno, because the ability to instantly refill *all* your kegs, when you have 60+ empty kegs, is probably abusive? And what the hell, you *just* suggested a 24-keg limit yourself?
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Zakky on September 21, 2018, 02:06:43 AM
Oh, I dunno, because the ability to instantly refill *all* your kegs, when you have 60+ empty kegs, is probably abusive? And what the hell, you *just* suggested a 24-keg limit yourself?

24 kegs is fine I think. If thats the max you can have, I'd be fine with that in exchange for the addition of filling all of them at once.
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Stabbity on September 21, 2018, 04:37:02 AM
Oh, I dunno, because the ability to instantly refill *all* your kegs, when you have 60+ empty kegs, is probably abusive? And what the hell, you *just* suggested a 24-keg limit yourself?

I mean, We're talking about a person who CARRIES 60+ empty kegs...
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: MTYL on September 21, 2018, 08:47:16 PM
I mean, We're talking about a person who CARRIES 60+ empty kegs...

"Carries"? wtf? Who sane would carry any amount of kegs? They're kegs. They roll.  ;)
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Stabbity on September 21, 2018, 11:12:58 PM
"Carries"? wtf? Who sane would carry any amount of kegs? They're kegs. They roll.  ;)
Might be a few too many to control.
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Chenier on September 22, 2018, 02:26:02 AM
Well, festivals are easy/free to have, right? So certain realms, coordinating certain numbers of adventurers... could hold them repeatedly to fuel up their little friendly ICBMs...
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Anaris on September 22, 2018, 02:36:54 AM
Festivals prevent accessing all kinds of services in the region.
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Gordy77 on September 23, 2018, 01:37:15 AM
Limiting it to one per hour to the max of your empty kegs sounds reasonable. With the recent spellcasting stymie, I wonder what damage you think they can do now?
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Zakky on September 23, 2018, 02:44:58 AM
Limiting it to one per hour to the max of your empty kegs sounds reasonable. With the recent spellcasting stymie, I wonder what damage you think they can do now?

Kegs? Advies without spellcasting are pretty much just monster hunters.

I think you should only be allowed to keep one keg to be honest. But make that keg reduce your fatigue by 10 per use. Once you use it three times, it becomes empty. I can't even imagine an adventurer with a loaded cart full of kegs.
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Chenier on September 23, 2018, 02:50:21 AM
Festivals prevent accessing all kinds of services in the region.

Yea, but typically if a realm has a second city, they don't really need its facilities at almost all times.
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Medron Pryde on September 25, 2018, 06:42:48 PM
It must be exhausting, waking up every morning with such a distaste for your fellow players.

I wonder how you manage it on such a regular basis...
Title: Re: Approved: Free kegs during a festival
Post by: Chenier on September 25, 2018, 09:00:30 PM
Well some people can't help being distasteful.