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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Abstract on November 23, 2018, 09:08:08 PM
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Looking to name the war that has started between Tol Goldora and Westgard. I have made the poll with the two suggestions so far that will last 3 days. Assuming there are going to be new names this is just a preliminary poll to gather potential names. After 3 days if there doesn't seem to be a majority consensus then a new poll, with a longer time, will be made to cover the suggestions.
The Goldoran-Westardian War (or conflict?) is just a name based off the two primary participants. The War of the Proclamation of Tol Goldora is named after the Proclamation of Golden Farrow by Umerith Stromhar of Tol Goldora.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/The_Golden_Farrow_Proclamation
The basic situation, as I understand, is this: Westgard says they have a claim on Golden Farrow, Tol Goldora says no way Jose, Westgard declares war while they have an army in Golden Farrow, Luria Ferrata joins the war on the side of Tol Goldora.
Although the timeline of Dwilight hasn't been updated it is currently Spring of Year 46 and about to be Summer of Year 47.
As for the why of naming the war here is my long term plan. The island pages on the wiki will have a section for wars added. This will contain a list of more neutral pages on the wars. The neutral pages will have a general timeline of events for the war along with a summary of the claims of both sides. The claims of both sides will be accompanied with a link to the more propaganda page that the realms can make. For instance, if Westgard wanted to name this war and present their telling of the war the page would be "Westgard/End of Barbarism" as Chenier is currently calling it. The "/End of Barbarism" page would be anything Westgard wants to say about the war. On the flip-side, Tol Goldora could name the war anything they wanted on a page called Tol Goldora/War_Name.
The purpose of this is to try to add some more flavor to the game. The poll is for the general use name for the war, not the war page of a single realm.
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Stand Against Barbarism.
Don't worry, it'll be on the wiki soon.
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Stand Against Barbarism.
Don't worry, it'll be on the wiki soon.
Sounds like a good title. Fight those western savages called Westgardians.
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Stub for now, but the page exists.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Westgard/Stand_Against_Barbarism
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The Gold Sea War
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The Gold Sea War
The Gold Sea War or a variant of this could work. "Coast" instead of "Sea" and/or "Conflict" instead of "War".
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Westgardian Invasion!
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Arrows Strangely Getting What They Deserve
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'The War Of No Name'
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The Unnamed War That Wasn't Really a War
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The Gold Sea War or a variant of this could work. "Coast" instead of "Sea" and/or "Conflict" instead of "War".
This was actually originally "Coast" until I double checked and realized it was actually supposed to be "sea".
So iterations:
Gold Coast War
Gold Sea Invasion
Gold Coast Invasion
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"Doing What The Lurians Always Failed To Achieve"
"How Easterners Are So Slow At Getting Their War That The PvE Realm Beat Them To It"
Because, I mean, seriously. TG pissed us off, within weeks we discussed the issue, voted, rallied the army, and kicked them out. Morek has been moaning about Arnor for how long now...?
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"Doing What The Lurians Always Failed To Achieve"
"How Easterners Are So Slow At Getting Their War That The PvE Realm Beat Them To It"
Because, I mean, seriously. TG pissed us off, within weeks we discussed the issue, voted, rallied the army, and kicked them out. Morek has been moaning about Arnor for how long now...?
That's because Arnor could wipe the floor with Morek. They keep whining that Arnor is somehow oppressing them and preparing to aggress on them (which still hasn't happened) in hopes of swindling a more powerful realm into supporting them which so far none are stupid enough to do.
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Morek has 21K CS vs 27k CS for Arnor.
Sure, a significant disadvantage... but Morek has more active characters. And that's total CS, not mobile CS. From what I heard, their mobile forces were similar?
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Morek has 21K CS vs 27k CS for Arnor.
Sure, a significant disadvantage... but Morek has more active characters. And that's total CS, not mobile CS. From what I heard, their mobile forces were similar?
But then Avernus adds another 28,000 and though that's offset by Swordfell, Swordfell is so distant they'd only be able to help intermittently while Avernus's capital is a few days away from Morek's.
Before I left Morek's general laid out how screwed we'd be in a direct confrontation. That's half the reason I joined Goldora. I'll take a meaningful active war over a pointless hypothetical one any day.
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But then Avernus adds another 28,000 and though that's offset by Swordfell, Swordfell is so distant they'd only be able to help intermittently while Avernus's capital is a few days away from Morek's.
Before I left Morek's general laid out how screwed we'd be in a direct confrontation. That's half the reason I joined Goldora. I'll take a meaningful active war over a pointless hypothetical one any day.
Meaningful active war? Where?
;D
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Meaningful active war? Where?
;D
I find imperialist invasions very meaningful.
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Crushing a ragtag band of brutal marauders, with no more than a single semi-significant battle, doesn't seem to qualify to me.
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Crushing a ragtag band of brutal marauders, with no more than a single semi-significant battle, doesn't seem to qualify to me.
When did they ever maraud?
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When did they ever maraud?
Takeover Activity
message to everyone in Farrowfield - (four weeks ago)
Soldiers of (everyone) have been seen committing random acts of violence.
The locals now fear Sol a lot more than before. The locals don't seem to like Sol as much as before now.
Takeover Activity
message to everyone in Demyansk - (three and a half weeks ago)
Soldiers of (everyone) have been seen committing random acts of violence.
The locals now fear Sol a lot more than before. There is a little bit less sympathy for Sol now.
Random acts of violence everywhere they went, in territories under the protection of Westgard. Westgard warned about 1.5-2 months ago that it would not tolerate oppression of the people of the North-West. TG just decided to challenge Westgard on this... and payed the price.
Calling this a "war", though, is making a mountain out of a molehill. A bunch of marauders came from the East and marauded the lands under Westgard's protection, Westgard moved in to protect the locals. In one fell swoop, the marauders were crushed and sent packing.
This might *cause* a war. But, so far, I've not yet seen anything worthy of being called a war. The siege of Golden Farrow barely cost us anything. I lost zero men to all of the battles. Still have my 106 SF. On the bright side, this last tiny skirmish made my captain rise to +18 skill. Haven't had a skill rise in a while!
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That's not marauding that's conquering.
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Different ends, but same act.
ma·raud·ing
/məˈrôdiNG/
adjective
adjective: marauding
going about in search of things to steal or people to attack.
"marauding gangs of youths"
synonyms: predatory, rapacious, thieving, plundering, pillaging, looting, freebooting, piratical
"marauding Mongols destroyed their village"
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By definition, Westgard then is a bunch of Marauders.
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Different ends, but same act.
OED's primary definition is:
a. To make a raid for the purpose of plundering.
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This was actually originally "Coast" until I double checked and realized it was actually supposed to be "sea".
So iterations:
Gold Coast War
Gold Sea Invasion
Gold Coast Invasion
Gold Coast is a major Australian city (in so far as we have cities) so please no.
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By definition, Westgard then is a bunch of Marauders.
By what definition?
Westgard never loots, and only takes regions by giving free ale.
Westgard always has the Christmas spirit of Giving
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By what definition?
Westgard never loots, and only takes regions by giving free ale.
Westgard always has the Christmas spirit of Giving
By your very definition.
going about in search of things to steal or people to attack.
Westgard did just attack Golden Farrow, no?
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Gold Coast is a major Australian city (in so far as we have cities) so please no.
Alright, so Gold Coast is out.
Other won the vote so a new, and final, poll with the options of:
- Gold Sea Conflict
- Gold Sea War
- War of No Name
Any other suggestions?
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By your very definition.
going about in search of things to steal or people to attack.
Westgard did just attack Golden Farrow, no?
No. Golden Farrow was not brutalized nor made subject to marauding.
Eviction is not marauding, by any definition.
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Westgard didn't go out in search of people to attack. People needing attacked presented themselves just outside it's borders, lol
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The Unnamed War That Wasn't Really a War
An Effortless War
Morek has 21K CS vs 27k CS for Arnor.
Sure, a significant disadvantage... but Morek has more active characters. And that's total CS, not mobile CS. From what I heard, their mobile forces were similar?
But then Avernus adds another 28,000 and though that's offset by Swordfell, Swordfell is so distant they'd only be able to help intermittently while Avernus's capital is a few days away from Morek's.
Before I left Morek's general laid out how screwed we'd be in a direct confrontation. That's half the reason I joined Goldora. I'll take a meaningful active war over a pointless hypothetical one any day.
Bad Avernus. Spoil the fun in the north.
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Westgard didn't go out in search of people to attack. People needing attacked presented themselves just outside it's borders, lol
They're very far outside of Westguard's borders, they just happen to be connected by ferry lane.
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Check a map? You must have missed Westgard's mentions of Knyazes and the fact that Golden Farrow, a new realm's capital, is a mere two regions away from our borders. Anyone who's been paying attention will have noticed, by virtue of our land acquisitions, that Westgard's armies range over hundreds of miles. Golden Farrow was one of the next goals after Knyazes in part to alleviate 'too far from realm' issues with our army movements to the south. As I understand, Selena even mentioned our intention to take the city to the other generals only a few weeks before TG took it.
As far as many of us in Westgard are concerned, TG is a direct assault upon it's sovereignty. A new realm established itself in a city we'd announced intent to take, with their capital a mere two regions from our current borders, and sharing a ferry lane. Particularly when said realm is self-described as a raiding realm, that's very understandably concerning to a neighbor.
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Bad Avernus. Spoil the fun in the north.
No, you spoil the fun! :-[
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Check a map? You must have missed Westgard's mentions of Knyazes and the fact that Golden Farrow, a new realm's capital, is a mere two regions away from our borders. Anyone who's been paying attention will have noticed, by virtue of our land acquisitions, that Westgard's armies range over hundreds of miles. Golden Farrow was one of the next goals after Knyazes in part to alleviate 'too far from realm' issues with our army movements to the south. As I understand, Selena even mentioned our intention to take the city to the other generals only a few weeks before TG took it.
As far as many of us in Westgard are concerned, TG is a direct assault upon it's sovereignty. A new realm established itself in a city we'd announced intent to take, with their capital a mere two regions from our current borders, and sharing a ferry lane. Particularly when said realm is self-described as a raiding realm, that's very understandably concerning to a neighbor.
They were obviously never even a remote threat to you as proven by the simple fact that you took their capital with little resistance.
The distance from realm penalty isn't what it used to be. I made it all the way from D'Hara to Darfix with no problem simply because we were allied with Astrum.
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Even the most noxious weeds are weak and fragile when seedlings. Doesn't make them any less noxious.
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Distance from realm penalty causes more problems for a large army out for an extended period of time than a single individual or small group.
Also, it wasn't about the threat they were now, but what they threatened to become. A raiding realm built directly on our borders without even a hint of discussion beforehand says we're facing a realm with no interest in cooperation or collaboration. And regardless of their status as 'threat' or not, that still ignores the incredibly important fact that Westgard relies upon those rogue lands for it's economy. Keeping a mobile monster-fighting army mobile isn't cheap. TG looting in those lands would cause peasant uprisings which are costly on many levels, and bring them into inevitable conflict with Westgard simply due to their proximity. Their *capital* was right on our borders. That puts us at obvious odds regarding expansion, and TG would no doubt intend to expand.
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Updated the poll, after the poll closes (7 days) I'll make the page with: a short summary of the war, a link to the Westgard version of the war, and timeline of events so far.
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Page created:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Gold_Sea_Conflict
It isn't a final product but it is something for right now. I put the timeline of events that I have access to. The timeline format needs to be changed and an actual summary put at the top. Alas, I have about ten things to do in-game right now so I'm not going to do everything right now. If anyone wants to add to it or change it, go ahead. There is at least something started for others to add to. :)
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Distance from realm penalty causes more problems for a large army out for an extended period of time than a single individual or small group.
Also, it wasn't about the threat they were now, but what they threatened to become. A raiding realm built directly on our borders without even a hint of discussion beforehand says we're facing a realm with no interest in cooperation or collaboration. And regardless of their status as 'threat' or not, that still ignores the incredibly important fact that Westgard relies upon those rogue lands for it's economy. Keeping a mobile monster-fighting army mobile isn't cheap. TG looting in those lands would cause peasant uprisings which are costly on many levels, and bring them into inevitable conflict with Westgard simply due to their proximity. Their *capital* was right on our borders. That puts us at obvious odds regarding expansion, and TG would no doubt intend to expand.
Case in point, Tol Goldora is tied for second most populous realm, after Westgard.