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Dwilight / Re: The Crusade against SA
« on: August 30, 2011, 10:39:49 PM »
In other news there are only 600 peasants left in Golden Farrow.
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Probably not appropriate on Dwilight. Italian medieval city state republics would fit with the current Europe focused SMA, though given the influence of Greek thinking on western Europe, you could probably make a case for it. I presume you refer to the Athens style republic, because like so many things no two Greek City states agreed on the principles of a republic, not even all city states WHERE republics.
Athens was a republic in name only for a lot of it's history if I recall, various oligarchies or tyrants held the majority of power. Just an influence mind you, not an overt Roman republic
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I was kind of dissing your form of Republic, maybe you didn't get my oh so witty humour. Republic' to indicate rule by many and by laws, is one term. Basically by unilaterally limiting the movement of priests and religion within the republic without public referendum you go against the spirit of Republic. Instead what you have is a dictatorship. Caerwyn became a theocratic Oligarchy, a state controlled by the ruling priest class one that went against the idea of republic, using false information and propaganda, fear to control thought within the state and only allow certain forms of ideas as long as they did not go against the Theocratic state. Sounds kind of like what had happened in modern Iran, or Cambodia circa the Khmer rouge.
Caerwyn a theocratic oligarchy? Only Baal was a Priest to my knowledge and that was after he stepped down from the position of Archon. Caerwyn banned SA preaching and temples under a public referendum long ago I started playing there, but nobles were free to be followers if they desired it. I would compare Caerwyn to the anti-communist era in the States more then Iran or Khmer rouge.
I am actually all for greek republic in game.
If the new colony gets going in Candiels, I hoping to angle Caerwyn towards having more of a roman/greek style republic.
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Dwilight / Re: The Crusade against SA
« on: August 30, 2011, 05:28:01 AM »I think they are making it pretty clear that they think whether or not you look the other way is pretty irrelevant to them
From an IC perspective, Graviel pretty much thinks Barca's stance is like a medieval version of the UN. He has received an angry letter from them, telling them how angry they are! That's about it though.
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Dwilight / Re: The Crusade against SA
« on: August 29, 2011, 08:07:24 AM »Indeed. With current the current trend in gains of Nobles, by the time Madina has enough Nobles to recolonize the area, it is likely Barca will already be big enough (especially with aid from Terran and D'Hara) to spoil any possible colony attempt if they want.
They should have enough nobles from Caerwyn to start up the Candiels duchy. Barca has already made angry noises about Twainville though.
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Dwilight / Re: The Crusade against SA
« on: August 28, 2011, 09:07:14 PM »
Caerwyn is so loney these days. Everyone has left for Madina or Asylon already 
Time to get on the big boat south.
Time to get on the big boat south.
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Dwilight / Re: Oh, Itaulond...
« on: August 28, 2011, 03:59:16 AM »seeing how strongly these forums affect game currently, i would dare to state opposing view, it'lond is basically stabilized and new nobles who would eventually arrive make the whole difference.
of course, if someone reads forums and accepts in advance that he/she shouldn't join, that is the worst influence possible, but in fact anyone who would look for more prosperous career over receiving his 50 gold per week in very stable realm, next rl year, could find surprising opportunities in realm like itaulond.
I'm pretty sure Astrum was intent on marching on down there to collect Amandil's head. Itaulond wouldn't be able to stop them if they tried.
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Here's an idea.
Stop being systematically hostile and conspiratorial against them, and maybe we can demonstrate the spirit we want them to exhibit. What? Leading by example? Who does THAT these days?
I'm not hostile towards them, but the family gold exploit wasn't cool.
The idea that people will just suddenly stop cheating because other people are playing fair is a little naive. People cheat exactly because they don't want to do the hard work everyone else is doing.
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Dwilight / Re: The Crusade against SA
« on: August 27, 2011, 05:59:20 AM »
If only those damn peasants have just eaten each other instead of all starving to death, then Golden Farrow wouldn't have starved.
It's all the peasants fault!
It's all the peasants fault!
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.... maybe Barca. But not Terran. Terran has not gotten any Caerwynian refugees. We had Hyperion briefly, but he's leaving now.
Hmmm, maybe it was D'Hara then? A couple paused/deleted their characters from Caerwyn and they might have started new ones in Aurvandiel, which could explain Aurvandiel's recent growth. I shall investigate!
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Dwilight / Re: Lurian News
« on: August 26, 2011, 11:45:05 PM »
What I think was the greatest irony of the Crusade, is that it seemed to create what it set out to defeat.
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Dwilight / Re: Civil war in Madina
« on: August 26, 2011, 10:28:11 PM »So, what does the large influx of Caerwynian knights into both Aurvandil and Madina portend for the civil war?
I'm expecting several large scale sea invasion battles. Honor and prestige for everyone!
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Well, Aurvandil and Madina are both growing greatly thanks to the dissolution of Caerwyn. The Saxons appear to be moving en masse to Aurvandil while another faction in Caerwyn heads for Madina. Aurvandil now has the knights to expand significantly, including northward should they so desire. But the Veinsormoot would crush them you say? Has the threat of destruction *ever* stopped the Saxons from doing stupid things before?
Or, maybe they'll just try harder to kill Madina. I'm not sure about that though, seeing as Madina is also growing and can as a result easily hold Tower Fatmilak against cross channel assaults... If they don't screw up.
A lot of the Saxons have joined nearby realms to Aurvandiel (Barca, Terran), it could be regular post realm collapse dissolution or a clever plan to create sympathy for Aurvandiel in those realms.
As far as I know only one or two nobles from Caerwyn have joined Aurvandiel.
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Dwilight / Re: Lurian News
« on: August 26, 2011, 07:20:16 AM »but rational logic ALWAYS works to calm a crowd right?
Only if they are angry.
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And the Caerwynian colony is deluded if it thinks it will ever get to Twainville. The Véinsørmoot will smash it. Barca is growing stronger and stronger, D'Hara can defend Paisly with a little help from Terran, and, frankly, Terran has enough disposable troops to defend Paisly and all of Barca's claims. We currently handle our current defensive obligations without straining the budget. I could personally access 3,000 gold in reserves if I wanted it, and there's other gold lying around as well.
Madina will probably beat Aurvandil. But that doesn't inherently mean the Caerwynian colony will prosper. Nor does it mean that said colony will be able to threaten a more well-developed Barca that has strong allies at its back. Moreover, I suspect that whatever damage to relationships has thus far occurred can be repaired if handled properly.
That's true. The new caerwynian colony (if Aurvandiel is defeated in the first place), will not be itching to fight anyone while it takes over the Candiels duchy. Things will be hard enough without a alliance of nations bearing down on the fledging Caerwynian colony. Graviel alread made some attempt at patching the holes but no real worthwhile diplomacy can be conducted unless there is an actual colony.
I suspect it won't be long until Astrum's new colony starts up something.