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[Whatever the facts are, the way of the world here is that you steamrolled a group of players who had no knowledge of what you were doing and no ability to stop you.]

Whether or not you conspired with Chesney's next door neighbor isn't relevant because you didn't play the game the way everyone else does. There was no interaction. If another realm had done what you did, lots of people would have heard about it because you can't keep an invasion force secret for very long.

No one was conspired with. It really sounds like you're completely over complicating what's actually going on. Maybe if you'd hung around and tried to find out in game you'd have realised this and understood that it's not an invasion force, as has already been stated before.

Whatever the facts are, the way of the world here is that you steamrolled a group of players who had no knowledge of what you were doing and no ability to stop you. Even if all of Barca or all of Aurvandil supported it, I'd never return to Dwilight for that reason alone. I love playing the game and losing because it doesn't happen much. I'm pretty good at this stuff and this was the first conflict in my entire time on BM where I'd ever had to RP losing something significant when Aurvandil showed up. Quintus surrendering to Allomere was tons of fun and would've been more fun if Aurvandil had had more time and wasn't dealing with the loss of a chunk of their characters.

I don't love losing without even playing the game because what that transmits to me about the way of the world is that I'm wasting my time. That it doesn't matter what I do because somebody else realized that convincing one GM of something is a heck of a lot easier than convincing a lot of characters, which is what I spend my time doing.

The distinction is critical because the idea that you are some GM hammer for players you or somebody doesn't like is even more absurd. I know you're doing what you're doing for a reason. My point is that that's even more dangerous, because you're not doing it the way the rest of us have to do it.

If you look at what is actually happening then you would also see that the Zuma don't do other things the way other players have to. We've said we are going to destroy the city. Is every Daimon in the city looting every turn? Talk with the people that have had the Zuma visit them in the past. A lot of opportunity is given for the players to actually do something about the situations but some, rather than invest any time in the game to try to solve their problems instead choose to rant about the unfairness of it all either OOC or on the forums or both. The Zuma is not some solid block that just ploughs on ignoring the interactions of others. We've marched into cities before, been spoken with and marched straight out again. Yes it might be unexpected that we've turned up but it is very simple, in game, to find out whatever the reasons are and then to try to deal with them. Invest the energy into creativeness in game rather than anger outside of it and you'll get a much better experience.
In the past Barca was threatened with complete destruction. They were given multiple options to get out of this (the "tons" of unique items that were one demand could actually be counted on one hand for those unaware of facts). deadlines were extended and in the end another solution was RPd to end the conflict. That was for realm destruction, which the current situation is nowhere near.
Again, I really do suggest people at least try to do things in game before ranting about the unfairness of it all elsewhere, much more fun for everyone then.

So:

- They left to attack Chesney before Terran split
- Their attack is not about either Terran or Saffalore (making the previous point irrelevant?)
- Nobody in Terran or Saffalore knows what is going on or why
- None of the realms bordering Terran or Saffalore know what is going on or why
- One person in a realm on the other side of the world knows what is going on and why

Taking these point in order.
- correct
- it is relevant because others have been ranting that it's picking on a realm and deliberately on their capital. Not the case as that was not the situation at the time.
- Incorrect. Some knew before the Zuma left their own lands, others in regions bordering the city had RPs sent out before the first battle took place.
- Incorrect.
- Correct but you missed out that there are also a number of people very close to the location itself that are also aware.

Again I would suggest that stating things as fact when you don't actually know the facts is not the best way to do things, especially on the forums where others who are not involved in the situations themselves might actually believe you and be mislead into incorrect conclusions about the way of the world.

You're still talking as if this was something the Zuma have done against the realm of Terran. As has been said already, this march on Chesney was started before the duchy broke away to form a new realm, so was not an attack against anyone's capital. The Zuma also were careful to avoid any actions in any of the regions they went through to get to the city. It is a very pointed attack with a purpose, it is not an invasion and it was never about Terran.

Declarations of war mean !@#$.

Did you miss the part where I stated that two regions were looted rogue? If you don't know which those were perhaps you should pay more attention. Again with the issue with your blinkers. As before I could go into a big explanation of everything and anything the Zuma do for a couple of people who come on the forums and start shouting and screaming about how unfair something is (even though neither are actually directly involved in it), but to do so would ruin a lot of hard effort that others have put in and the things that are yet to come because of some of those efforts and interactions. Terran is not being affected, D'Hara is not being affected. The ones actually being affected are interacting IC within the game because they've actually got an IC understanding of what's going on and why.

I don't even think it entered Aurvandil's territory...

That's right. Most definitely there was no declaration of war or the looting of any Aurvandil regions until they went rogue. Clearly not an attack against Aurvandil at all.
Just because you have some personal issue against the Zuma doesn't mean that your blinkered view on them is the facts on what goes on. You don't actually have a clue about them. Mendicant, although now a stain on the game due to his cheating, went to a hell of a lot of effort with a variety of deals and promises and that is why Barca survived and why Aurvandil did not have Daimons in their city. If I acted on OOC grudges or issues then yes I'd walk into Aurvandil and destroy them for the cheating that went on, I'd have also destroyed the realms with a Chenier in it for the highly abusive personal OOC messages that have been sent both on the forums and within the game, so be grateful that I do keep the actions of the Zuma based purely on IC actions and communications.

Many of Terran's old players have been powerless not because they didn't coordinate as a team but because mechanics and now the Zuma have forbidden them from even attempting to get as established over two weeks what other new realms could do in a day or two. Aurvandil landing an army on my doorstep and up-ending everything was fun. Getting to play 'jump through the hoops so that the game approves of your region changing its banner' followed by Daemon Surprise, not so much.

Whatever issues you may have. Giving completely incorrect facts is never going to get you any sympathy or support.
Please clarify exactly what the Zuma have forbidden anyone from doing as I am unaware of any such things and would imagine it's something I would know.
As for a "Daemon (sic) Surprise", the march into Chesney was started before Terran broke into any other realms and numerous nobles, both within Terran and from elsewhere, were aware it was going to happen before any of the Daimons left their own lands.
Perhaps you're just being mislead IC as to what's actually going on and should sort that rather than come to the forums to state things as fact that are certainly not so.

For those that take their time and follow the clues there has been a lot of interaction, even if it can be slow at times as I'm not constantly logged in monitoring. It is not like the Daimons are all clones of each other who behave the same way, as many people can tell (but tend not to).

Still, it just strikes me odd that the Zuma, who invaded Terran on a whim because they were so offended that someone in the 'Moot could have written a letter that disrespected them, would upon discovering some human has their sacred item that they want so badly would not just say "WTF we're gonna ROFLSTOMP you."

So, catchign wind of someone calling the Zuma animals in a random letter is enough to evoke immediate daimon invasion, but possessing their sacred and much desired artifact is not?


Whateverrrrrrr...

Get over the letter. That was explained in game and on the forums and I still stand by the actions that I took at that time.
The Zuma discovered in game that the item was held by Brom when we saw a battle report that he fought in as part of Barca. Almost immediately diplomatic relations dropped from peace to neutral and the only reason there wasn't war was because of in game interactions involving the ruler of Barca, and then Brom changing realms to Kabrinskia and Allison getting in contact straight away saying she wanted to give it to us. Why would I go to war against someone who just wants to hand the item to us?
You don't know everything that goes on between everyone on Dwilight and just make assumptions about things you're not happy with. There has been a lot of effort by some players and I thank all of those involved.

That is what the Zuma said.

But I doubt she will do that. She is crazy, but I hope not that crazy.

Please remember when you give your facts that you are getting your information I assume from Allison so, as I have said to others, unless you heard it direct from the Zuma yourself, please try to make that clear in your postings, otherwise everyone just gets wound up about speculations.

If you ask me, the Zuma GM is tired of our whining OOC, and he's just looking for any excuse to bash on us IC.

I am tired of your OOC whining yes as most of it is made without any effort being made in game to find out what's going on, and some of the things that do happen in game are demanding me to explain everything in complete intricate detail and that's just not going to happen as others do put time and effort into things and that is why events turn out as they do. As I have said many times, everything the Zuma has done has been done because of player interaction and that will continue to be the case.
As for saying any excuse to bash on you IC, when exactly, was the last time the Zuma actually did anything offensive against any of you that have been OOC whining? And, what was there an in game event that caused this? (yes is the answer to that last question by the way) Are the Zuma currently attacking some realms and no one has bothered to tell those running them? Just take a step back and try to look at things in a less biased way and you might realise how ridiculous most of what you say is.

No. Our original declaration was that we would not invade unless we were invaded.

I'm not lying. I'm telling the truth.

I asked why Haktoo is defending Kabrinskia. The answer I got is that Haktoo is defending Kabrinskia. That's not an explanation.

You asked why Fang Fang was in Demyansk, you were told why, and it was more than just "we're defending Kabrinskia" so again I ask you to stop lying. I take it you accept you were lying about the unannounced part as you chose not to try to spin that into anything else in your response.
If you are speculating, then please, all I'm asking is to make that clear in your postings rather than stating things as if they are fact which will influence other people's opinions who have not had any direct involvement.

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No, more plausibly, the source of stagnation is the 10,000 CS unit controlled by one player which arrived nearly unannounced and now, two or three weeks later, despite inquiries, still hasn't been explained.  Maybe, just maybe, that is the source of stagnation. But maybe I'm just crazy in thinking that giant armies sitting indefinitely on contested borders, never advancing, never retreating (do daimons not need to refit, I guess?) are a source of stagnation. Of course, that's kind of the definition of stagnation.

Stop lying.
They were unannounced to you. At least two realms knew they were heading there whilst Fang Fang was still in the Corridor of Torment, a journey that took over a week of real time travel, possibly two, I can't check the travel times any more.
Also you state that, despite enquiries, it has not been explained why they are there. You, Hireshmont II Vellos, were told, and responded to the message yesterday (yes, this was delayed as I missed your original message but it still happened before this message you have posted stating it has not been explained). Glaumring was told 13 days ago.
Just because you don't like the explanation, stop lying and stating that none has been given. As rulers of realms you have responsibilities to the players within your realm and by purposefully providing inaccurate information on the forums it just appears petty and intentionally trying to stir OOC bad feelings toward the Zuma.

You know your right, but also I am tired of hearing that bringing in the zuma is not fair.  It is we have an agreement with the Zuma and that agreement is to war Terran.  Let the war commence.

People not directly involved in the situations read things on the forums and take that as fact. Please be careful with what you state if you are not fully informed.

I have been king a short time as of late, prior to that the Zuma stayed out of our business and Asylon focused on our issues with Caerwyn. We traded food and thats it we ignored them and then all of a sudden the Zuma started being front and center, bellicose and rude, and ignoring communications even when ambassadors were sent.

The Zuma used to come to Asylon and help fight monsters, we spoke often enough and made peace now its a 360 in everything who they were.

The Zuma are still at peace with Asylon. Asylon have not requested assistance with monsters in a very long time. The ambassadors that have come here have all been dealt with. Please provide examples of being front and center, bellicose and rude and ignored communications as I am not aware of this.

Same for Terran.

I try to respond to anyone that interacts with the Zuma. I cannot recall anyone from Terran actually trying to communicate recently. The only interaction I can recall is when I sent Vellos a message a few days ago stating exactly what Haktoo is doing at this time. Yet I see someone on here stating as fact that Haktoo and Flame have joined together on the borders to start an attack. Flame has been in that region for months, Haktoo is there because of things in game that others are aware of. If you are going to speculate on the forums, please make that clear rather than stating things as if they are fact which just winds up other people who assume you are actually telling the truth.
There seems to be a lot of OOC complaining about things that people are assuming is happening rather than keeping things in game and dealing with what is actually happening.
If you feel you're now being ignored, perhaps there shouldn't have been the OOC witch hunt on Garret which ended up making him leave the game. You might not have liked him in game, but he did a lot more for all of the human realms on Dwilight than any of you were prepared to consider. Now you deal directly, and that's not the same as doing it through a human.