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Too bad I no longer have time to play BM anymore... I really liked doing the White Tree Times.  :(

If I knew that was gonna happen I would have stayed... There is quite the saxon conglomerate it seems though.

What would be more challenging with the situation how it is.

Bring Sirion down or bring Perdan down?

Sirion. They still have the ringed wall of death.

Nivemus could use a good troop leader! Also, as it is the youngest realm of the four, it also has less of an oligarchy at the top as some of the other realms may have.

3 Post in a row...no bad...

Gotta get the post count up somehow!

I kid, I just didn't think about it before I clicked 'post'.

Westmoor and Perdan are allies.
If people would do their maths better before posting every unqualified comment, then this forum would be much more interesting to participate.
Or if they just don't know, maybe just stay out of discussions.  ;)

Okay, but then they can't claim to be neutral then can they?

And as for RP logic... Perdan effectively declared war on us, and Westmoor is our big rival(please read Gloria's earlier post to confirm).

Yes, but, as said, by a pure objective logic, random is, that you have not declared war on Armonia as well.
They had made, in terms of military aggression, movement and diplomacy the exact same things as the Westmoorians (till your war declaration).

The Oberndorf issue etc is a thing between Nivemus and Westmoor.
If you declared a war due to the things between you two, then this has nothing to do with Perdan or well, Armonia. Perfectly ok then.
But you Ihope you have thought this through before, cause now, if there should be peace between Perdan and Nivemus, the war between you and Westmoor will be excluded.

I don't know how many other ways I can explain it.

Tensions between Westmoor and Nivemus have been building for some time. Westmoor is probably Nivemus' biggest rival(due to diplomatic, strength, and self-engineered circumstances). We can gain something from warring with them and vice versa. Also, their nobles can just waltz around our land if they want if I hadn't declared war.

Armonia is not our rival, in fact, until recently, they have had no influence in the North or in Niveman policy period. We don't really gain anything immediate from warring them, and they don't really gain anything immediate from warring us. And they would be hard pressed to waltz around our land due to their capital being so far away.

I declared on Perdan simply because your amount of infiltrators and scouts were too much for me to ignore, so, in that war, the logic behind the pros of going to war with Westmoor and Perdan overlap.

So, you see, there is a perfectly logical reason for the my diplomatic relations... Not that it matters, because since when did diplomacy ever have to make sense(both in real life and in battlemaster)?

No, they weren't, interestingly enough. Westmoor was mainly concerned about Nivemus's ambitions towards Oligarch, and their actions were driven by that. You'd be surprised by how much of an anti-war vibe there was within at least half of Westmoor's nobility before this current war started.

Color me skeptical.

As far as I know, Nivemus never tried to negotiate passage rights through Westmoor. If they did, and it was refused, then fair enough. They probably just assumed that it would be refused.

It was an infiltrator acting on his own... Westmoor was itching for war, they were only looking for an excuse to attack. Only they were itching for a war of neutrality, where their infiltrators, priests, and other nobility would have free reign to walk through our lands. Perdan tends to use this tactic quite often as well. I was not willing to let this happen, and also, eventually it was bound to happen as either one side or the other is eventually going to start trying to TO regions.

Ok, halt. 

I played on Nivemus while it was still at peace with Westmoor, and even back then there was a whole "We hate Westmoor; Jor is an idiot" vibe going on.  So yes, there is a real and legitimately roleplayed reason why they declared war. 

Please stop accusing the people we play with of being random or being poor roleplayers.

This is true. Like I said, tensions, from what I understand tensions on both sides, have been mounting for a while now.

So then Westmoor is not "neutral territory". That phrase has a very specific meaning. "Giving free passage to one side while denying passage to the other" does not fit the bill.

And another +1.

I laughed so hard I think I snorted my drink through my nose.

I bet Westmoor didn't protest very hard about Perdan violating neutral territory, did they?

+1

Then Nivemus will go down.

We'll see, this war is still very early, and Sirion has yet to unleash it's full potential so far as it goes, and Nivemus is still working out the kinks of being in it's first war. This war could go either way.

[Westmoor(and admittedly Armonia) all participated in the largest battle in history on our soil]

I have stated why we declared war on Westmoor.

They have had aspirations on having Oberndorf, and to certain extents even Ashforth herself, for some time now. Also, Westmoor(and admittedly Armonia) all participated in the largest battle in history on our soil. Obviously, though, Armonia and Nivemus have no previous tensions between our two realms, and I would be open to resolving any such conflict if possible. I think the same can be said between Sirion and Armonia's current state of affairs, but you would have to ask Zaki.

So, in short, tensions between Westmoor and Nivemus have been mounting for some time now. And yes, I do have a logical reason. When another realm makes it very clear they want one of your cities, you don't take that too lightly. But then again, I want one of theirs so I guess we are even.  ;)

At any rate, if you think there was anything logical about Perdan's declaration of war against Nivemus, you are living in dreamland... What King in his right mind declares war on a nation over a few peasants? I mean, yeah, I accept the declaration of war, it was bound to happen anyways, I am glad the East Continent finally isn't stalemated... But it doesn't make a lot of sense. As for Westmoor, they made a complaint about one of our infiltrators entering their lands.

And let it be known I have spoken with Shady and requested he close his borders so that he be completely unbiased. He did not do so, but he let's them be open for all parties, and even though this gives an inherent advantage to Perdan and Westmoor, I respect OI's decision.