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LemonTree was one of Vincent van Eylen's characters (VinnieTheDark was his IRC nick, and one of his most prominent characters was Vinnie, in Darka; I don't recall where LemonTree was based).  He started that page way back in the day—on the TikiWiki, as I recall—and it eventually became the go-to place for fame theories.  And remains so even today, long after Vinnie left the game and most people don't remember or never knew him.

Hmm, that name sounds very familiar for me, as I know a guy with the same name... Wondering if he is the guy we are speaking about :P

Anyway, so I guess this topic keeps the search for the unknown fame points open :-D

Lightning bolted or bug?

Non of them that I'm aware of... Haven't been struck by lighting and never got an error message. But still, I guess a bug is an option :-)

Hmm... very strange... while I had 4 fame points, I now only have 2... :S so my points decreased... Very strange!

I think that one makes indeed the best chance as a possible fame point... :-)

It was indeed the defense of Ozrat ;-) We indeed won because many were generous with gold... That was at least one reason.

the course of events you described seems to be ultimately unnatural - you are likely ooc invited to some specific realm, you already ooc explained that you are old player who knows the ropes,  so suddenly you ended with 300 gold, money that many diligent players do not see for years, you are given trust and confidence though nobody could know your green and unproved char at all, so there is no any rp-ing background, and all that happens on continent that was proud to call herself rp-ing continent once.

Indeed a bit skeptical, but your full right to do so. From my point of view, however, a bit misplaced... The things you read and interpret, change from what really happened. Yes, I played the game in the past, no, I did not mentioned it in game. The gold was handed to me as I was in the capital, which was under siege, and only 4 others were there to defend it. Many other received packages of 100 gold, as I did, spread over three turns. Nothing strange to report here.

I posted this post to discuss unknown fame points, as it proved to be an interesting topic of discussion in the past. I have, in no way, the need to hoard or gather fame points.

[less then 2 days]

I did an interesting discovery recently... I played BM from 2006 till 2010, quit, but started playing again yesterday. In less then 2 days, I managed to get 4 fame points, and that for a new family. Because I only played 2 days, it is very easy to track down what I did... I can place 2 fame points:

1= Gaining 10 prestige by one character
1= Gaining 20 family prestige

2 points I'm unaware of. I checked the wiki and can rule out the following: council positions, lord positions, religion, unique items, deaths, events. Actually, from all the known fame points, I only fulfill 2 of them. That means that I've done something in these past two days which makes I got 2 fame points.

To summarize what I did in those two days:

- created a family member A in the Far East
- created a second family member B in the Far East but in a different realm
- retired family member A after one day (wrong realm)
- created a third family member C in the Far East, in the same realm as member B
- created two inexperienced new characters
- participate with B in 3 battles in the same city in 3 turns (following after each other)
- received and spend 300 gold on recruitment with B
- recruited +/- 50 men with B
- recruited scouts, banners and healers
- joined a religion
- become a knight with B of a city
- joined an army
- wounded an enemy lord with character C: Ceneric Godwin, Count of Rrerat has been wounded by Sartan's Wrath (29).;
- wounded an enemy noble with character B: Rigitamos Brythonic (Knight of Rrerat, Arcachon) has been wounded by Sartan's Guard (28).
- wounded two enemy nobles with two different family members in one battle
- got B and C wounded in one battle
- got wounded in a battle, unit fights on and does not retreat and wins battle
- made scout reports
- gained your first fame point
- create a new family

I bet my money on the wounding of an enemy noble, gaining your first fame point or retiring a character after one day. The last statement could be, as you can find more new families with some fame points which retired a character after day one.

Also the idea to hide fame points in the beginning of a game makes sense: which new player is occupied with fame points? None of them, as they are all finding out how the game works. Which experienced player still remembers what he did in the beginning of his career? Also none of them. It would be even clever to hide unknown fame points in the beginning of a family career.

Any ideas on these statements?