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The history of why it was sunk is actually pretty simple.  Battlemaster has been slowly losing players for years.  Its a sad fact given that this game is for the most part one of a kind in its player driven complexity.  In order to *counter* lack of players the devs decided they were going to forcibly shrink the island by creating an iceage on a couple of continents to increase the player per region total.  In the Far Easts case at the time there was a northern and southern alliance.  The northern alliance has been slowly winning but it was by no means a one sided war.  The iceage hit the southern alliances territories and the war swiftly ended as a result a couple of months later.  The result of this war was that players either quit the game entirely or left to other continents which was the opposite of what was aimed for in increasing the number of players per region.  After Arcaea and its allies had effectively conquered the continent with no resistance remaining, the continent became stagnant.  There was a semi reset of all alliances and a month was given for realms to build back up but fighting had grown stagnant.  No realm really had enough players to make taking more land worth while and in all honesty it would of been much better for everyone if it had been sunk once the last of the southern alliance realms surrendered.

There were a handful of interesting fights after the reset but only a handful.  The warfare had become repetitive and the politics become toxic with players actively leaving rather then dealing with the lies and misinformation that had crossed the barriers of IC and OOC.

At the time it was sunk i doubt there was more then 80 players left on the island, probably even less in terms of individual accounts.

As things currently stand my money is on Saliv.

I think it worked out well for all parties involved really....  Arcaea was unmanageably big

Dawn made it a public discussion because quite frankly when the current ruler, general, judge and banker have not heard a thing about any plans for succession at all yet an entire duchy apparently does then its clearly gone far beyond a private matter.

As for discrediting......  you did a fine job of that yourself.

My criticisms of Dawn are primarily for what she did to Cathay and Zonasa, none of which has anything directly to do with the state of Arcaea today. I'm quite happy, IC and OOC, with Claudio's secession. I only know through hearsay what's happening inside Arcaea, but it seems to me that it's also likely to result in a more interesting FEI than otherwise.

Dawn did nothing to intentionally harm Cathay or Zonasa (all i wanted to do was prevent the annihilation of Sorraine...), you make it sound like she ordered terms (she didn't, i rechecked the letters) you didn't see them due to being offline for three days, then cited issues with it

There are several problems here, but from where I sit, it looks like the biggest one is that you assumed that because Velax was Emperor, and Dawn is his successor, Dawn gets to dictate what other realms of the Empire do unilaterally.

Velax never operated that way, so this felt like a serious slap in the face.

Problem with this statement is that Dawn never dictated anything.  Other rulers asked if Dawn would give greater clarity on what Arcaea would support.  When initial drafts were made, i received letters from both Cathay and OW and they seemed satisfied, Zonasa remained silent.... and continued to remain silent when the final draft was proposed and after a few days presented.  It genuinely pisses me off that you try to make out that i was giving orders when that just wasn't the case.


You sent out a draft on a weekend, which any BattleMaster player of longer than 3 months should know are times of lower activity   
Its no secret that a ruler/generals tend to have to be alot more active, (as such i made an assumption that you had no opinion either way on it).... they have to be otherwise they would be ill suited for the job.  Hell i believe we even had a ruler step down recently for this exact reason....   Bm is a light weight game, i have spent more time writing on the forum today then i have actually playing BM. 


Please never call someone a liar unless you have a strong reason to believe that they are telling deliberate falsehoods.

Dawn mishandled both her allies and her Duke pretty abominably  This is a highly weighted opinion at best

Arcaea seems to be doing some fence sitting right now.   They aren't helping their ally OW.   They won't sign peace with the Grand Duchy which is keeping the Grand Duchy and Zonasa out of the war.   Seems they are really screwing  things up.   One would hope they would !@#$ or get off the pot...    

This was taken from the "is this the next big war thread", this was an out right lie.


I don't pretend to know everything that went on within Arcaea leading up to the secession, but it's painfully clear that you mishandled him. I was in communication with Claudio intermittently throughout, and there wasn't the slightest hint of him being dissatisfied with Arcaea until you tried to deny his right to secede at the time of his choosing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHHA ........  During Claudios election campaign he was accused of being a "succession happy duke" by another noble.  In response he promised that he had no plans to secede.  The day after he lost the election i received a letter saying that he plans to secede and that plans were well under way.  I wonder if he chose to hide this little tidbit of information from Baranion :P


His duchy would still be part of Arcaea now if you had handled that situation properly.


His duchy being part of Arcaea was no longer relevant.....  he had effectively taken all the nobles in his duchy out of the military chain of command and had the doing their own thing.  They were contributing nothing to Arcaea.  As a result Arcaea didn't actually lose anything when they left.


But you say this as if it doesn't even matter that you might possibly have done something not-quite-perfectly, and then continue to basically insult me, as if the whole situation was something I schemed up to upset you.

If players are throwing less then subtle insults in my direction both IC and OOC... shockingly i tend to throw a few back

Ok im going to stop you right there.  I have tried to keep this as ooc as possible but seeing as how multiple rulers are using this forum to openly mislead (and in some cases out right lie) just to promote or justify there IC actions im going to lay down whats actually been happening IC.

They have, but I don't think Coralynth can really take much credit. Dawn mishandled both her allies and her Duke pretty abominably, and now, from the sounds of it, the internal strife is pretty much over Sartanism.

In an effort to prevent the ganging up mentality culture that has infested BM like a plague i tried to limit the number of enemies Sorraine would be fighting at any one time as frankly i didn't believe that the first realm that actually tried war after the political reset should get punished by a four on one gangbang just because they attacked first.  Especially as the reasons for the two mentioned realms that joined the war after arcaea kept changing there answers every time i asked why they had joined the war.... (first stating it was outrage against coralynth.... then stating it was in responce to two reams ganging up on a smaller realm.....then stating it was a war against sartan)  As such when Cathay and Zonasa joined the war i attempted to settle a treaty between Ohnar west and Sorraine.  I then sent a further message ooc to explain my reasons for this.  A few days later a treaty was semi finalized amongst the "allied" realms, no complaint was made by Zonasa or Cathay during this process.  A final draft was written up and a full day after that it was sent to the ruler of Sorraine.  IT WAS ONLY AFTER THEN THAT SUDDENLY YOU HAD ISSUES WITH IT, Baranion then wrote several passive aggressive and generically demeaning letters about how Arcaea had stepped on his sovereignty (stating that his character was ill so im guessing  he has missed a few turns so had not seen the drafts).

Im sorry but to put it bluntly if your going to say that i "mishandled my allies"  just because you were afk thats on you.  If you had lost a region due to missing a few turns you cant just say "can you give me back that region i didn't log in yesterday because i was ill"  Could i have waited longer?   Probably, but thats largely down to inexperience.  Honestly the jist of the draft had been the same for over a week i felt sure everything had been covered.  This has been my first time as a ruler of a realm; and as im sure you have gathered i had plenty of inside drama inside the realm to deal with as well as outside, i didn't really give additional timing much thought...

As for my mishandling the situation with Claudio.....  he had sabotaged the main army during a time of war, caused vast amounts of strife even before the current crisis including but not limited to threatening to punish players for not moving out of his duchy when they didn't log on, citing promises that know one in the council new anything about and when dialogue and communication was attempted left ultimatums saying he was going to Secede anyway regardless of what anyone thought going as far as to bring a foreign powers military to hold his hand while doing so (not to mention this was after he ran a failed election campaign stating that he had no intention of seceding).

When a succession happens it causes a large amount of turmoil within the realm.  This resulted in Arcaea losing a city due to it going rogue, and having several others close to following suit.  The last two weeks have been spent effectively repairing that damage - something as significant as a region changing hands is broad casted to the entire continent.

Anyone who has played this game for any length of time would know this happens..... thats why i said its obvious....

I cant really respond to the rest of your message Anaris as i believe OOC and IC events should be kept separated from the forums but i will try to do a brief summary.  The former King of Sorraine was inactive (or at the very least wasn't responding to his mail) - This would inevitably lead to a slow down of letters from other rulers. 

Wait.... Let me get this straight....  Zonasa and GD are sitting twiddling their thumbs because they are waiting for Arcaea to sign a peace treaty which has already been signed....

As for fence sitting....  That really isn't accurate, im genuinely surprised that it isn't obvious what Arcaea has been doing.

for those of us keeping count with regards to who got banned in Arcaea in the last few months we have.....

an infiltrator who tried to to team kill, a religious zealot and a duke who overplayed his hand

but you know i really am gonna miss Martin, Arcaea hasn't been the same without everyones favorite Sartan :p

As for the next big war.... i dont think it would happen.  I can only really see two possible outcomes, one path would lead to a forgotten concept that has not happened on FEI for years, the other would see FEI become dull..... sadly i believe were significantly closer to the dull path at this point.

Indirik i do hope your finding FEI a bit more interesting over the last two weeks :D

however i do believe that there is a better then average chance that FEI could start to transform into Atamara 2.0 over the next couple of months....

It can't deny that it seems somewhat unnecessary from an ooc stand point for both PoZ and Cathay to get involved in a war that's basically been blown out of proportion by dishonourable tactics by Coralynth, that being said I have seen a growth in the player base of OW and Sorraine since this conflict started.

Fixed what exactly.... yes this continent has been pretty quiet ever since the failed Glacier experiment but Talerium wasn't relevant before that either.

Im not trolling, this is a legitimate question, post glacier they have done nothing, pre glacier they sat back and did nothing during the war...  When was the last time this realm has actually been relevant

Some realms need to die. I don't see what's fun in protecting OW's destruction.

The last time i saw this much hate against a realm was Red span.  What on earth did OW do to warrant being destroyed.

From a realistic stand point, this was the inevitable conclusion from the failed glacier experiment that tactically nuked Kindara.