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Circumvention of game mechanics (specifically, avoiding chance of capture by realm at war with your previous realm)
False oath

God, you love trying to stick people on Game Mech points don't you.

Someone should file a report just to be sure. Get it investigated properly and all that. You don't know what those bullying obnoxious out-to-ruin-everyone's-fun Orvandeaux are up to.

I bet they eat babies during turn changes.

"They might be athiests! - Magistrates!!"
"They might be restricting Priest class - Magistrates!!"
"They might be _insert wild assumption_ - Magistrates!!"

Oh and just incase it was too dry .. the Napoleon thing was a joke. The fact that all the "Thats not SMA!" comments were pointless notwithstanding; that the most fanatical Monarchists on Dwilight are actually 18th Century genociding Republicans is definitely the genus of our entire realm's roleplay and culture.~

I might as well have said Allomere was more like a "thin, white, Mugabe", but then I'd probably be being not-SMA and a rascist.

"Magistrates!!!"

Abuse of game mechanic?

Yeah you wish.

...but he's never especially rude or belittling to other rulers or nobles for the sake of it.

Mendicant does have a habit of asking why Allomere hasn't died yet.

Mongol Horde? Oh no no, Allomere much more thinks of himself as a French-Imperial Napoleon-esque sort of character.

You sent a Galvez as a negotiator, and didn't expect it to result in war?

That's like throwing a rock into the air and not expecting it to fall back to the ground.

Well he sort of just threw a rock into the air and hit Mendicant on the head with it.

Hive mind?

Allomere just slew one of his marshals in public. Various members of the government have had trouble with several lords and a duke, for differing reasons. Not to mention the contesting on who gets to be Judge and Banker and where food can be sold. I don't really feel obliged to comment further on inner realm happenings but the reputation so many seem to think we have is quite flattering. Life would be a lot easier if we were all jolly and cohesive IC. The difference is we all seem to otherwise enjoy the internal dynamics with little animosity.

There's probably also a bit of fortress mentality to it too.

[I believe he would like to discuss the matter of Barca's war]

I believe he would like to discuss the matter of Barca's war though I think it would be great to have this copied to the roleplay section.  I also think this could be a counter to the thread titled "this is how not to declare war" so he is saying he declared war in a very good way, which I must admit the roleplay to be great though I am not sure about if I agree with how he declared war.

That was much the idea ;)

The earth embankments and woodworks that formed the defensive curtain to the city seemed to blend with the forest that lay to all sides.

To live in such woodland squalor was the height of depravity. Even the conscripted street children of The Imperial City formerly lived like nobility by comparison.

"The nobles live in the woodland too. To say living in a woodland is depraved... Is quite insulting and uncalled for."

Oh be serious. It's meant to show the derision Allomere holds for woodlands and jungles, the kind he's had to deal with in Madina and now with Barca trekking through 2 days of forest, and therein regardless of how offensive you may perceive it to be it is Allomere's perception, not yours, which matters. If my character thinks its depraved then he thinks it is, it's a private thought. Even if it was a public comment he spoke,  OOC you still have no business contesting it under objections to "rudeness" and "offense". That's sort of the point of roleplay, displaying things you can't say out loud to give angles and dimensions to characters and events. You really can't be OOC offended about an indirect IC event.

"But to truly see it in some of the ways as described, as his character truly does, that is just wrong in my opinion."

Nice, but he's a snob. That's his view, so as far as IC is concerned it can't be "wrong".

Actually yes, I did use the wiki page when consulting the layout of the city, hence I said it was tiered as it shown to be. But Rettleville was only conquered a short time before Aurvandil and I know the fortifications were only level two when I first saw them so I assume they were rebuilt from nothing. Unless you're saying the walls fell down and were rebuilt identically as the picture it's a moot point since what is shown is technically a former fortification. Semblance seems more convincing than absolutes, it's meant to convey the idea of the city than say "Forever this is what it shall be!"

"Earth and wood was a by gone age... This is a game mirroring the time of the Middle Ages. Earth and wood as a fortress would not have lasted long. No doubt they have wooden buildings, but I doubt a fortress, as described by the game, would be wood and earth. Also, they can always import stone."

Incorrect, seriously incorrect. Wood and Earth a by-gone in the Medieval times? BM has to be between the years 1000-1300, early and mid medieval. Plenty of wooden castles, extensive wooden castles as well. Some of the South Downs Hill Forts in Southern England are 2500 years old and they were made from banked earth and wood. By-gone? Not by a long shot. They last. Castles are not just identical stone monoliths. Even more to the point this is a walled city, and the vast vast vast majority of cities with defences had wooden walls during this period, or outer wooden palisades with stoneworks inside. The idea you could just erect 50foot high stone block walls around every settlement is entirely unrealistic, it didn't happen. Neither the resources nor the wealth do to it.

History and fact aside, the definition of walls and fortifications really are a transient matter. Did at any point I actually say the walls themselves were made of wood? I said to the effect that there was a wood palisade curtain around the city at the forest's edge and earthworks, either remnants of old former fortifications or exactly the kind of defences which surrounded even walled castles when in forests. I don't know if any of you have ever visited a real actual castle or know much about various examples or the evidence we have of those that were, but you don't just have a forest, then a bit of open ground, then castle walls. Palisades ring plenty of castles as livestock buffers, cheap outer defences, and just as a general cordon to define where the woodland is to be held back from the castle. Then you have the proper walls afterwards.

Peckforton Castle, Beeston Castle, Raby Castle, Nottingham Castle, I could keep naming examples.

So yes, if you were entering a castle compound within a  wooden enclosure the palisade if it existed, would be all around you and enclosing the castle as an outer barrier. Rettleville may or may not be like that. Historical accuracy suggests it would be and nothing actually in the description nor the wiki says otherwise. Maybe Allomere was only imagining it or mistook the treeline to be palisade defenses. It really doesn't matter either way. You might note I tried very little to describe the innards of the city since to that extent I can only be generic and speculate so I made a point of leaving it grey. The fact I said it was on a rocky outcrop as shown pretty much guarantees it has stone walls when it comes to the actual city boundary.

I took the liberty of assuming the Senate had marble steps which considering Barca's Carthaginian-esque culture seems very likely. I can only prostrate myself for forgiveness if they are actually granite.

And it's a Level 4 Stronghold, and for a city that can mean annnyyything. If a Fortress is all stone then a Stronghold is somewhere between a mostly wood Fort and a Fortress. Otherwise Citadel's must simply be mountains of fantasy-style Minas Tirith's.

"Amusingly, the people are also described as displaying "some trappings of civilization but also a tinge of savage passion for the environment as one would expect from those who not only live within nature but are at one with the spirits of the woods.""

Yes thank you for that, that's why I tried to hint at a bit of ruralism and had Allomere respond with the kind of snobbishness he did. As I said, he didn't know if the peasants wore leaves or simply covered themselves in mud. He didn't care to look at them to see either way he just made a judgement. Civilisation is something you observe and judge for yourself, and it is making clear that Aurvandil has a sort of xenophobic contempt for almost any other culture. Every Barcan peasant could be laced in gold and Allomere could go Inca and say "Gold? How worthless. They might as well wear mud" Nothing would be good enough.

As usual the pedantic will have their way anyway. I dare not roleplay entering through a gate next time, else the lord might confront me and say "We don't have gates! We have Arches!" "Our peasants aren't free to line the streets, they're all in cages!" If you play that game no one wins. Probably why BM has no roleplay. You enjoy your bland and sensitive roleplays, if you even do them, and I'll continue to embellish mine as reasonably as I can for the point of doing them ; flavour and entertainment.

[Roleplay Sent 28/06/2012.]

Roleplay Sent 28/06/2012.

The tepid jungles of the Madinian Rebel State had been a hideous endurance, a land nigh devoid of civilisation until the grace of monarchical rule had but lightly touched upon it. It seemed Allomere was destined to be deployed time and time again in untamed and savage regions beset with rogue flora and an uncultured populace. He was a long way indeed from the Imperial City with all its domestic order and urban refinement, and further still from the tranquil and almost paradisiac coastline of Zerujil. Here instead sprawled a wild and barbarous wood that deep within nestled a downright feral existence. Somewhere amid the chokingly moist and earthy claustrophobia of the canopy lay Rettleville, the capital of Barca. The soldiers of Aurvandil kept their hopeful eyes ahead for all signs of the expectant lumbercamp.

After trekking through the Rettlewood and its host of natural horrors for a day the sounds of a settlement met the Deathstalkers with welcome, though their eyes were fast to dispel the joy. Steeled again to endure rural nightmares the Knight Hausos and his company of child-archers made their way to the gatehouse of the city. The earth embankments and woodworks that formed the defensive curtain to the city seemed to blend with the forest that lay to all sides. Allomere studied the city on the approach, it seemed a tiered affair which raised upon a natural rocky outcrop. Neither the vast, clean and embellished metropolis of the Imperial City of Candiels, cleared with wide-sweeping vistas and promenades, centrepieced and utterly dominated by the Palais Haut-Souverain, nor the Port of Madina with its canals and trade houses and intrusive waterfront was like this. The difference in layout and conception was almost unsettling, nauseating. Through this Allomere pushed on, nonetheless intrigued as he scanned the city with a General's eye.

...

They advanced up the road toward the Senate House perched atop the rise at the far end of the city, lines of shabbily dressed Barcan commoners massed along the route as they observed and chattered in their forest tongues over the arrival of the Orvandeaux vanguard. If they wore leaves or were simply swathed in mud it would be hard to make distinction. To live in such woodland squalor was the height of depravity. Even the conscripted street children of The Imperial City formerly lived like nobility by comparison. Nonetheless they continued onward, led as they were by the escort of Barcan Sentries, for the guests came under a banner of diplomacy afforded for their passage.

With their arrival suitably announced, and with the assembled dignitaries and officials of BArca making attendance of their approach to the Senate, the Orvandeaux soldiers halted, formed in a column, with the Knight Hausos at their head. One hundred and fifty Sovereign's Men there to represent the glory of the Commonwealth of Aurvandil. At their head Allomere stepped forward. His task was clear, and his message would be strong. He was to initiate, to take the fore, to lead from the front as all Generals should. It was what he was accustomed to, and most suited for.

Dressed in his battlefield attire, his finery was resplendent of the indulgence and the riches of the Commonwealth. His helm matched that of the Imperial breastplate he wore, of polished silver layered with white enamel and inscribed all over with decoration. Around his neck was fastened a white-gold Fleur Di Lis And Sword, and backed with the black backing of his gathered cloak it shone out distinctly as a mark of his rank. From his left shoulder hung a diamond-shaped epaulette that trailed almost down to his elbow on which the heraldry of the Kingdom and Commonwealth was embroidered. At his side his sword was sheathed, a scabbard of blue-black lacker and silver embellishments. The Knight Hausos was sworn to die in battle as an embodiment of the Chevalier, the Will of the High Sovereign, and the personification of the tenets of the Commonwealth. It would not do to make and inconspicuous showing of himself.

Removing his helmet, he began.

"I am Sir Allomere de' Striguile, Knight Hausos At Arms of Aurvandil, First Among Chevaliers, L'Amiral et le Seigneur de la Mer, Capitaine de l'Epée Du Roi, First Viscount Zerujil.

I cometh herein to this land at the behest of His Imperial August, The High Sovereign Mendicant Anhanger, Benevolent Majesty and Lord Protector of the Commonwealth of Aurvandil, Duke of The Imperial City, Margrave of Candiels, King of Madina, Conquérant des Pirates, Foremost Chevalier and Roi de l'Orvandeaux.

I am charged under the honour to be the bearer, instrument and deliverer of the terms of engagement of our imminent conflict. Time, opportunity and hospitality enough has been afforded to settle the matters pertaining to the lands of Celitberia, Kydonia and Gallaecia, and the Lords and Knights thereof who have sought refuge and allegiance under the banner of Lady Aurvandil, the protection of The High Sovereign, and safeguarding from the Tyrannical corruption of the Barcan dryad State, of which I presently address. Enduring slight and insult from your Ambassador in the Imperial City, and with all other avenues of negotiation, converse and reason thusly expended, it is my duty to initiate the Commonwealth's response."

At that, the Knight Hausos took a step to his front and drew forth his sword, the whitened blade sliding cleanly from its scabbard as the polished enamel caught the sun. He proceeded to sharpen the sword upon the Marble steps, marking the stonework with a series of repetitive gashes, an act of brazen and calculated provocation, symbolic of the three strikes of which no man of honour can take without response of the assault against his dignity. To the chevalier's mind, it was far from merely symbolic but an actual and unequivocal discourtesy, derision and ridicule not against a single knight but against a whole realm and an entire people, an infraction upon the entirety of Barca in every regard. From this point on it was settled, there could be only War.

The Knight Hausos straightened and look to his fore, oblivious to the reaction of the Barcan's present, solely focussed on enacting what must be done. He spoke up again, louder to overcome the stirrings.

"With slight and offence duly returned, we seek to take redress upon insistence, and I issue as First Among Chevaliers the challenge ; you are obliged to meet us in Arms on the Field of Honour, to do battle for the cause we maintain, and settle the contestant nature of your politics once and for all. I shall see it done that the High Sovereign's Peace is brought to these lands, for where talk and words have failed, swords and the Esprit du Chevalier shall bring forth resounding resolution."

"Our Terms of Engagement under the Code d'Chevalier." The Knight Hausos gestured to an oversized and heavily gilded chest brought forth by a dozen of his men and placed at the foot of the Senate's steps. As he spoke it was quickly unlocked and ceremoniously opened to display a scrollcase, lain upon a gold tiered lattice of jewel encrusted plates, white enamel and silver backing set against the reddened silk interior. "I will take correspondence as to their discussion, but we shall not suffer a reduction of our standards. You have a day."

Allomere sheathed his sword as the men retreated back into line, and the whole body of soldiers reformed swiftly.

"May your actions favour your fortunes, and with distinction, dignity and fortitude ; Let The Duel commence."

The Knight Hausos bowed slightly, raising his arm in salute after he did so, and in one cohesive movement he and The Deathstalkers, with their single duty fulfilled, turned about and made their withdrawal from the Barcan Capital. He would return soon enough, and on that occasion, it would be under a banner of War.

But it seems everyone is ignoring the fact that the "punishment" Fal'Cie was going to get, as has already been said, was a good ranting at by Allomere, which has happened before, but which was going to be roleplayed, as a bit of fun, since nothing else was happening worth roleplaying in the realm.  These are two characters who are frictious with each other, have been for quite some time, and often have bouts like this. Now if the social contract suddenly interprets as "you can't have forcible play-offs between characters" then maybe then there'd be a violation. Thankfully this is still a game, or so I'm told, and is being played quite nicely in our realm.

For the second time, there was nothing about nor was there going to be anything about bans.
There was nothing about nor was there going to be anything about fines.

Therein, no "Game" punishment whatsoever related to activity, but to two players consensually enacting the continuing IC fued between their characters.

As it happens, making the move is a single turn action anyway, thanks to Next Destination, so there's no issue about activity seeing as Fal'Cie continued to respond. And even if he hadn't, so what? "Oh, didn't manage to kill the monsters then Fal'Cie, so you are all talk"

Secondary to that, none of the letters sent were orders but threats were made in general conversation, as a bit of spice, as a prelude to some intended roleplay.

There is absolutely no case to be made against characters being either unreasonably demanding or purposefully harsh to each other as Allomere and Fal'Cie often are. If Allomere had said "March to Evanburg and back within the day, and if you don't I'll have you flogged" the fact that that isnt even possible as far as activity and turns are concerned is irrelevant, it is meant to demonstrate how much the two don't get on so much so they're both unreasonable to one another. No where was there "If you don't actually move I'll actually totally have you banned, k", nor any suggestion, implication or any other thing similar anyone would like to misconstrue the situation to be.

The fact Allomere expected Fal'Cie to be in Candiels Fields and then Zerujil is because he expects him to follow orders ; Which Is What Any General Expects. He doesn't expect them NOT to be followed. "We're moving to attack! ... but don't take my word on it". Does that mean just because his expectations aren't so he's going to punish the character on a point of player activity? No. Does it mean he's going to reprimand the marshal for not doing his job which is perfectly valid IC regardless of the player's OOC activity? Yes.

The issue is not about activity of the army, or Fal'Cie, or anyone in the realm. It is a General slapping a somewhat difficult Marshal into line with a bit of "You bore me, go kill yourself please", a bit of realm banter as a prelude to some roleplay. Roleplay which so far has never happened thanks to this.

Go the community.

Have fun debating this non point for those of you who wish to. I won't be commenting again.

"There was an explicit threat of punishment if the entire army did not comply with orders within a specified and very short period of time. That is a violation of the IR."

No there wasn't, so don't lie to make out that there was. Actually, Allomere made it quite clear in two letters he didn't care if two nobles out of the army turned up or if all of them did, just that since Fal'Cie was mocking Sarit for losing against monsters he had better go and see the job done properly, and on his own if need be. "If you have the time to talk about it you have the time to sort it" was the point. Nothing about forcing him to be active, but seeing he was there, active, as usual and saying "Well go do your job as Marshal". That is not a violation of the SC. The only "punishment" aspect was Allomere rhetorically threatening Fal'Cie as a dressing down.

It is an entirely IC argument between Allomere and Fal'Cie, of which there have been quite a few and neither of us as players have any OOC issues with it. It's half the fun of the friction between the two of them. Also, there was no punishment given, nor would there have been any "activity punishment", other than Allomere having a rant at Fal'Cie, which would likely be roleplayed. No fines, nothing.

All in all it's a bit of fun but as usual someone has decided to take a dump on our party.

Since OOC the player of Fal'Cie has already said this has nothing to do with the Titans or the forum, both parties involved say this report is rubbish. In the actual context of the letters, not edited by the reportee, you'd see that.

What is it with people on this forum and bullsh*t? I'd really like to know.

"Aurvandil has too big an army" "Fontan can't sustain its army"

Well Aurvandil has so much gold we're drowning in it and Fontan didn't need my help to maintain and grow its army. Its an active realm, that's what happens when people actually play the game. Besides, as Brock said Lyze seems to be making more enemies in the Ministry of Defence than allies. If there is a clan in Fontan I'd like to be in it, since at the moment all I am hitting on is a tough crowd.

Why did Fontan go up in characters? Well quite few doubled up, a few joined from Ibladesh, new characters from new and established families alike and others heard about the war. We've even had quite a few defectors from Sirion and Westmoor if you check the OOC's below. On top of that good players tend to stick together and it seems Aurvandil is proving time and time again. First we were told we're a clan and since then we've all become a hell of a lot more chatty and friendly OOC. That's what happens when you actually enjoy playing the game with other people. Ruin other people's fun? That's their problem for getting their back up over anything they don't like while other people enjoy the game for what it is. So sure people end up playing together. Am I meant to say "No, you can't join this realm". It is a player's choice to play where they want to!

Out-of-Character from Allomere de' Striguile (10 days, 10 hours ago)
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Sorry guys, bit over worked. I'm general of Fontan also and we've just been thrown into a war.
Jason Cavander

Out-of-Character from Wallace Argyll (10 days, 7 hours ago)
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Jason, you're at war with my other character then ;)

Out-of-Character from Faramond Gallien Griffirtaen (10 days, 1 hour ago)
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I just rejoined Fontan since my last character got killed there some time ago and I was looking for a place for a third. Good fun realm.

You better make us win Allomere!
Joseph Lant

Out-of-Character from Humphrey Hufflepuff-Higginbobble (10 days ago)
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I'm in Westmoor though I think im leaving. Rather be on the winning side plus the place is really boring!

Out-of-Character from Hyperion Harte (9 days, 23 hours ago)
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Who are you fighting? Should I unpause my character in Nivemus? :P
Noah Congdon

Out-of-Character from Hyperion Harte (9 days, 22 hours ago)
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Ohnar West on the Far East just got into a war, too. I know there are a bunch of OWers here, but how many Toupellon players?
Noah Congdon

Out-of-Character from Baldwin Amalric (9 days, 21 hours ago)
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I'm in Greater Aenilia, and I cannot fathom why.
Raynald Beqaa

Out-of-Character from Ricardo of the Cedillo (9 days, 10 hours ago)
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I'm in Toupellon, vaguely. I'm also in Fontan with one of the best adventurers on the continent!
Edward Cedillo

As has been said before, if there is a clan in Aurvandil it isn't managing to do anything. The Ruler and General, Mendicant and Allomere, don't bow to anyone, and the Judge and Banker has almost no challenge in keeping their position, so this cross Saxon-Fontan-Aurvandil-Arcachon-Caerwyn-Nivemus clan is either absurdly big and massively underachieving or they're so laizzez faire that just sit in realms and participate. Either way, jealousy from lesser players always comes out. This clanning attack is just an easy way of putting it out there.

http://memegenerator.net/instance/17933598

[peansants]

• Protests against the realm and civil unrest are causing serious trouble. The peansants are seriously questioning our rule.

Just noticed that on the new regional report.