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Beluaterra / Re: Post News Here for our Facebook Page

« on: January 09, 2013, 05:10:30 PM »

Hemaglobe is NOT a daimon god, under Hemaist belief he had created the daimons, who betrayed him and us in the third invasion.

... problems arose when the nobles of Sint began pressing for the forced conversion of the territories to worship the daimon Hemaglobe, primary god of the faith Hemaism. 

No one was forcing you, yes we had one hardliner asking to throw out all non believers, but not one person was listening to him. Also he pissed me off too. As for Etna, she always tramples around the edge of what can and can't be done, but no one was listening to her either.

... that the Duke of Heen would be acting in the capacity to approve or deny the preaching of faiths in those territories.

While that is true, you were only the interim Duke of the Duchy so you could found the realm, the real duke will be from Sint, ergo your banning of Hemaist priests from 'your' regions was questionable. Furthermore, you are a priest of the Church of Humanity yourself, and while I have all respect for that religion, it makes it reasonable to believe you have your own stake in this. Your continuing of slander against Hemaism for the 2-3 nobles who you believe to be its sole representatives, and your continuous misinterpretation of the Pontifexes words (please bear in mind that both his spelling and grasp of the English language are very limited and that some leeway has to be given to account for that) supports that suspicion.

I am beginning to believe that you overreacted, saw yourself pressured into this move, partly because you also dislike Hemaism, which is your right I can't fault you for that, but you have to realize that you are the current Grand Prince, put into office also by us, you have an obligation to calm the waves instead of pouring oil into fire. To aid the smooth transition and strengthen relationships. This was the plan after all, four Kings negotiated on that, including us fanatic Hemaists, enough of us support you and the idea you represent and instead you focus on the few that don't.

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Beluaterra / Re: Fronen: The unluckiest realm ever.

« on: November 23, 2012, 06:14:45 PM »

That Carnes meanie was trying to stamp out Fronen's state religion to import an OG/Thalmarkin faith, and fabricated charges to ban Louis-Joseph.

well maybe they weren't all bad...

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Beluaterra / Re: OG/Sint: WTF?!

« on: November 23, 2012, 03:36:11 PM »

@ Indirik: I miss our zealot times... nowadays breaking with the daimons introducing a 'good' side to our concept of the destroyer things just aren't as they used to be. As for two evil religions, I think it's the other way around, they consider us evil. Don't know why no one in OG bothered changing that.

@ Lorgan: I'm pretty sure Avalon was a great pain in the ass I distinctly remember a few battles with them and Enweil sent us two or three expeditionary forces, but considering we are so far up north, they were mostly entangled with Mesh and Hetland.

As for the third invasion, I'm pretty sure it started because they had it planned. As for why they chose us to build around, I have no idea, maybe they liked our concept of a 'destroyer' god

I actually really like the relations between OG and Sint, from former allies to hated enemies back to strong allies, not many realms had that many change of hearts and live to tell the tale. Also having played a central part both in it's near destruction and the regaining of an alliance between us was my major feat in my BM career.

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Beluaterra / Re: OG/Sint: WTF?!

« on: November 23, 2012, 01:01:05 PM »

I forgot to include Hetland, as for a war brewing between Sint and OG, personally I think it's highly unlikely, we've had much too good a standing for the past years helping each other out of very miserable situations. But I'm not as prominent in politics as I used to be, I don't know what all these 'new' kings and queens are up to 

EDIT: Yeah, Rio too.

btw: if you haven't seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCqxoaZx7qY&feature=youtu.be

you ought to, Tom, my heartfelt thanks, this is awesome. A lot of the things I explained can be seen quite clearly.

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Beluaterra / Re: OG/Sint: WTF?!

« on: November 23, 2012, 12:29:13 PM »

Regarding Gethsemene, I was there, and yes, we did attack it with hastur back then, also Keffa to get rid of Ashborn with the god that came before hastur, cant remember which. (But Shhhhh... you only heard it here) I have to admit, we only broke with the Netherworld because they wanted us to destroy Heen next, which was simply out of the question, lost a lot of nobles and land because of that. (that was the third invasion) Regarding the destruction of Ashborn and taking Geths we (or I) assure ourselves today that we had every right to do so as we hated Ashborn, and OG (much larger than it is even today) helped them the day we conquered Keffa without outside help, despite the fact we had a deal with King Lorgan, I think, that OG would never interfere in this 'civil war' before the invasion (Once upon a time Sint was an Ashborn colony) Also, the daimons were actually named after our gods, how cool is that!

But man, that's old history, then came the war between Old Grehk vs Neo Grehk, with us on the side of NG, then the reunification of the two and us helping the very reluctant OG, with key players from NG to help our cause, against Fronen that turned on OG the minute NG and OG reunited. I remember how brutal that 'civil war' became in the later stages, and how Purple Recluse (ruler of Melhed) helped broker a deal between me and Zog? when OG basically was just Ossmat and one or two regions. Then came Stephen (former ruler of NG), then Skye Uceek and I think two more, but cant remember. All of which Sint and Heen and much later Mesh were helped against the big powerhouse of Thalmarkin, Melhed, Avalon, Enweil and Fronen which more or less gave OG the choice between 'give up everything you lost already and help us against Sint or die' not the best of proposals, well in the end I can't complain because Sint gained an ally. By then, we had helped against Fronen in three very important battles, so favor was already more on our side. BTW I think I have at least three assurances of OG kings and queens that they will 'never' reclaim Gethsemene, but I guess that part of history never made it into the books.

In the fourth invasion we did only ally with the daimons because we knew it to be a matter of survival. I had constant reports from the north with up to three daimon leaders in a region with stacks of up to 30k each, and we knew we were only poking at the outer shells of that onion. I knew we had to bide our time or get eradicated, even tried brokering a deal to get Heen and Mesh out of the doghouse, but they just wouldn't listen. Well, so we waited, didn't lift a finger to help the daimons in any way and sided with the 'light' the minute they appeared on our borders. Oh man, Prudent was MAD. I think it even went so far that he was mad at me personally for betraying his trust...

Regarding the latest invasion, the blighting of Firbalt broke our backs, morale was so low, we couldn't gather our army anywhere, people just wouldn't log on regularly enough so that of the 20 nobles in our main army only 4 made it to the rally point in time. Not only that, but we simply did not have enough money to support a decent army. Keffa is actually rather poor and Gethsemene was sacked once or twice with only half its normal population. Don't forget Fianik was a portal and a quarter of Overlords troops came from there, committing genocide on their way south and east.

As for Gethsemene today, I think it would be very hard for OG to convince Sint to give it up. By now we regard it as a core region of our realm, and given how OG was able to expand before the invasion and reclaim nearly all its lost territory including four townsland regions, I think it's safe to say, OG will be stronger than Sint for quite some time (given that Fianik has less than a thousand pop at the moment). Once we reach parity I think negotiations are indeed much more in favor of OG but given how time and chaos will play a factor, who knows how the map looks by then.

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Beluaterra / Re: Fronen: The unluckiest realm ever.

« on: November 23, 2012, 11:15:14 AM »

Never thought this day would come, but I agree with Chenier.

There was a time Benton was frothing around the mouth when someone mentioned the Carnes.

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Beluaterra / Re: New colonies

« on: November 23, 2012, 08:42:00 AM »

It's been some time, and after a lot of negotiations we finally have a draft  for all the positions and regions that should form the new colony. Sint is taking over everything south of it and will from the colony within this month or at the beginning of next, depending how fast the colonists will join.

For all those history nerds, the Northern Alliance (and the guildhouses) was formed before the fourth invasion somehow fell apart during, and was reformed by OG in between the fourth and fifth with the new name. We in Sint refer to it both as NA and DU, whatever fits best.

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Beluaterra / Re: What did we lose? What did we gain? 4th Inv aftermath

« on: April 02, 2011, 03:58:20 PM »

Hey everyone, this is my first post and I'm not the Forum buff, so forgive me if my post will be somewhat... err... chaotic 
I played Benton during the 3rd and 4th invasion so at least I can give you a recollection of how I thought about the invasions and what Sint tried to achieve. Survival was our key perogative.

The Third Invasion sort of ended with a whimper rather than a bang you see. One minute it was invasion, the next it wasn't. A few realms worked together then to destroy the last vestiges of Arcane's realm, Vlaanderen. There was discussion here and there about what to do about a few surviving daimonic enclaves. I think Heen, Sint, Mesh and perhaps Old Grehk briefly teamed together to try to tackle the lands north of Sint but they were never recovered. Then Mesh made it her duty to quest all over to destroy surviving daimonic enclaves although she'd made it round most rather than all of them by the time the Fourth Invasion finally rolled round...

Except it pissed off Sint, and Sint threatened them never to attack Jobo's again as there were still some semi-active daimons there.

Mesh went after a few nests, but barely any. It was more of an excuse to tresspass and assist Riombara than anything. There were still plenty of daimon nests around when they decided to gang-bang Enweil with all the other western realms.

Then, after a ceasefire was signed with Enweil, she went after Bara'Khur. Mesh' crusade was nothing but fluff, they spoke a lot more about it than they did anything, and they spent most of their time between the two invasions attacking other realms than attacking nests.

That is simply not true, Sint tried to get rid of the daimons, we tried four times rallied support from Heen, Mesh and Old Grehk if I remember correctly and we got battered down every time even though we managed to gather around 40k each time. Heck, the GM's even had the bluntness to send everyone in the region an ooc message declaring that no matter how much we would try they'd find a way to survive, that they were instituted as a RP tool by the GM's. You cannot believe the fallout and the anger we all felt when after finally destroying around 20k CS they just spawned another 20k. Benton took the throne during the third invasion (it had already burnt out our previous pontifexes due to the unbearable pressure and volume of posts) we had continuously fought the daimons from that point on. In the three months directly after we constantly attacked their smaller groups of up to 10k CS killing up to 100k in the process I posted nearly all of those attacks on the rulers channel, but I guess propaganda stopped it from spreading. I admit it was well within the second half of the 3rd invasion that I took this step and Sint had gained Gethsemene and Keffa through our alliance with them, but with all honesty, I tried. Of course it didn't help no one believed me, except maybe Heen, and even in Sint there were many that favoured an alliance with the daimons over war. But I managed to silence them and found a way to gain support. Mesh may have despised us, but they knew very well that their attempts would be futile without us. You cannot blame them for that. And after the GM's declared daimon indestructibility we all fell back to old habits. I believe the great Beluaterra conflict started when Fronen attacked Old Grehk, and we joined on Old Grehks side after Vlaanderen was destroyed and all nests except Jobo had been cleansed.

You must know of all realms that suffered during both invasions Sint was I think the only one in position to actually have a good guess at the true strength of the Netherworld. While most nations were ravaged by parties of up to 100k, and yes that is awful, they always passed through Sint first. We knew that if there was to be another invasion, we would be the first to be eradicated, and we could have done nothing against it.

You chose your "evils". You continuously fought alongside Sint, and betrayed the realm that founded you over a fringe religion having but a handful of followers in it (and even having greater numbers of followers and temples in other realms). Sint worshipped the invaders as gods, tried to summon their "destroyer" god, and unleashed their armies against the other realms of the continent. The Blood Cult did...

Heh, yes we did, but only during the Pontifexes prior to me. And while it was only RPed that Benton believed the daimons betrayed Hemaglobe, I successfully managed to implement that thought in Sint. Hemaglobe created the daimons, they betrayed him by worshiping themselves and we then fought them alongside our god.

Well Sint and Hemaism aren't exactly known for sticking to their guns. They probably thought the Light was a better shot at winning than the daimons, much like the Meridian Republic thought the monsters would lead them to victory or something. Who knows, who cares. MR is gone and so is the Light. Now we're just left with rogue blighted regions and for some odd reason Netherworld is still around.

In my 900+ days as ruler I never wanted to work with the daimons, and it all came down to a vote within my council 'do we face off the daimons and probably loose most of our northern regions or get destroyed' or 'do we align with them and save our realm' of course back then we really tried allying with the daimons and I even had Benton RP an oath to uphold that alliance. However they treated us with no respect at all, we asked them for help numerous times against the undead and were told OG is not their ally, so no. It all boiled down with us getting seriously frustrated with them when the light popped up. I saw that chance and took it. Did you know I worked tirelessly to get Heen and Mesh a deal where they were to be left alone if they signed a defensive pact only to defend the netherworld against the other invading forces? If they had taken that chance we could have survived to fight another day. Actually that was the thought I kept in the back of my head when we allied with the daimons in the 4th invasion.

Sint is Sint, we all know that by now. I mean Marta's words lost all credibility on a bunch of us when she declared that Hemaism, Daishi, and Qyrvaggism were pure. Hemaism particularly made us think "well if this is what they deem pure, they certainly aren't up to any good", while joining nobody but Enweil's enemies also cost them brownie points. From our point of view, the Light neither joined the most needy, the most deserving, or the most pious. Marta was also arrogant and snobby as hell.

OOC, I always suspected they were there to help. But everything IC hinted otherwise.

Well, in this case I have to give credit to Caitlin Stormcrow, a good friend of mine. We managed to persuade Virgil that we were only in this alliance to save us from destruction and that Hemaglobe is not only the destroyer but makes space for something new to create (much like shiva in hinduism).

To sum things up, I don't want to persuade you to like Sint, but I wanted to get a few facts straight. This is of course all purely ooc from one player to another, so this isn't some game at propaganda or anything, just what I tried to achieve with Benton during the 3rd and 4th invasion. And yes we twisted and turned to get out of it alive. Much like any of you did, except maybe Heen and Mesh and while they have my greatest respect for sticking to their beliefs, it got them killed. I guess that is what I gained from this invasion, you do an awful lot to survive.