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Dwilight / Re: Order of Aristocrats

« on: June 10, 2013, 12:30:41 AM »

Right, and the concept of Great Houses more or less imitates political parties. But I found that too "specific", since I think most nobles aren't on the same line as political parties nowadays try to be. Hence why I'm opting for a union of people who have their mind set on one common goal but differ on others. But hey, maybe I just create a Great House myself.

Definitely create a Great House!

But the difference between Great Houses and Political parties in a realm is that there are few things to oppose in terms of realm direction, all the nobles pretty much want the same thing for their realm, but the Great Houses are for the benefit of the individual noble, and the direction is continental direction rather than just realm focused. That's at least how I differed the two ideas. Scale, and focus.

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Dwilight / Re: Order of Aristocrats

« on: June 09, 2013, 10:40:52 PM »

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Ironically for Ironsides I had long been considering doing something similar in Luria Nova, and I may still go ahead with it. At first I was aiming for some sort of political parties but now I'm considering some form of a League of Lords, you know, to unite lords so they can defend their feudal rights and demand more privileges.

We were thinking of ways to make political factions in Swordfell, since it is a Republic, but it is harder to create artificial divisions between a common nobility. At the end we pretty much all wanted the same things, so why split up?

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Dwilight / Re: Order of Aristocrats

« on: June 08, 2013, 08:15:33 AM »

..Interesting ambition. And, hey, everyone has to have a goal to shoot for, but that doesn't solve the base problem of how everyone playing along is still, in the guild, subservient to the guild founder. The guild, therefore, exists to serve the aims of the guild founder, who *can't* be kicked out or removed from his position, ever. He remains at the top, watching over everything. Again, it seems like you're trying to play realm politics, without the dedicated realm infrastructure and mechanics. How are you going to keep it dynamic enough to prevent it from getting stale, or preventing people from just leaving or losing interest?

Not unlike a King-Duke combo? Not unlike a realm in general? The Aristocracy is another layer, a new arena/playing field. It will offer everyone exactly what they want to take from it - not unlike Battlemaster in general.

The maintenance o guilds is also a PITA, and expecting people to form subsidiary guilds, and maintain them as well... I just don't see this ever gaining much traction as anything other than a big messaging system. Not to mention that having more than handful of nobles as full members will require a LOT of guildhouses for a rather significant expenditure in infrastructure, and a continual drain on guild funds due to regional taxes and maintenance fees. Your first few levels of guildhouses add quite a few members, but that quickly levels off. A guild that could hold half the nobles on Dwilight would be ... prohibitively expensive. (Proably requiring well over 1,000 gold a month in maintenance fees, not counting taxes.) The largest guild ever in BattleMaster, the Darkan Mercenary Company, peaked at 104 members (not all full members), and we always had problems shuffling people in and out of full membership due to membership constraints.

I guess we will find out? I've never managed a monolith guild before, plus the second tier of guilds that will have to come with it.

Fun fun fun til her daddy takes the t-bird away!

The concept has some merit, especially if it encourages roleplaying relationships between families by marriages of NPC or and/or PC characters. Though it might very well happen that the actual master guild is not required in the long run. Regardless, I hope it will work out. It might if care is taken as to not let it turn into an empire for one man.

Then it's up to the aristocrats in the Great House to see to it that they are not taken advantage of, unless they choose to be in that circumstance (which we've seen in several cases in Battlemaster). Really, the aristocracy is only as effective or as dangerous as it is allowed to be.

The one thing it isn't designed to do, however, is cause every realm to form their own indigenous Great House to protect their own borders (like what used to happen with religions). That defeats the purpose of interconnecting the individual noble to a wider web of nobility.

I'm surprised this idea hasn't hatched somewhere on Battlemaster already? Or maybe it did but in a different guise?

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East Island / Re: Fane

« on: June 07, 2013, 10:18:19 PM »

I'd say that was pretty good given that it appears impossible to create any new characters in Fane at present. Is that intended behaviour? I miss the days when you could hear of some outrageous secession somewhere and immediately throw a character into the mix :-(

That's weird. Bug?

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Dwilight / Re: Order of Aristocrats

« on: June 07, 2013, 10:17:02 PM »

They'd have to put up with Bowie, though, and that would be too much, for many people.

Bowie's not such a bad guy once you get to know him, and if you meet his high standards, and if you can tolerate his frequent cursing, and his quick temper, and his unpredictable behaviour, and his lechery, and his alcoholism, and his demonic interior, and his all around roguery.

Not to mention that you'd always be subservient to the guild founders. Realms, at least, hold the prospect of turnover, change, renewal, decay, being conquered, conquering others, etc. Guilds tend to get stale because there's no way to actually oust those at the top out of their positions. That's why guilds are so poor at making that kind of power structure. They require willing subservience, just like religions. So few people are willing to play along with that, except where required, such as in realms.

That is unless you suppose realms are the end all be all of power. What happens if the Aristocracy inverts that? Then whoever rules the most powerful Great House could rule more than one realm and issue titles and land as they see fit.

Royal houses. Which were actual families, actually related by actual blood.

Not just loose coalitions of nobles who were working toward some common purpose.

True, but only so far as the characters in the Great House do or do not marry each other (or their family members). This past few months have seen some high profile weddings, isn't that part of the purpose of the Great Houses? Maybe everyone should start thinking of their characters as members of a family and start aiming to connect their family with others.

On that note, Bowie is single and eligible! Any women crazy enough to share his bed and his name? Maybe we should host the first ever Dwilight version of The Bachelor?

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Dwilight / Re: Order of Aristocrats

« on: June 07, 2013, 01:47:16 AM »

Cool idea, however I think the titles should be more neutral in name, not everyone is male.

Ya, it was just too much work to keep putting backslashes every five seconds in the wiki. When the Great Houses are started the titles will be reflective of the person wearing them.

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Am I missing something here? What possible motivation would multi-realm factions have to join the Order of Aristocrats? What advantages does it confer?

The Order of Aristocrats is one guild for everyone. It is for the Aristocrats to chat and boast etc. The Great Houses are other guilds separate from the aristocracy and specific to the aristocrats who inhabit them. So first, a noble has to join the Aristocracy. Then, a bunch of like minded aristocrats form their own Great House and try to snuff out the other Great Houses.

Advantages are contacts, prestige, honor, wealth, privilege and ultimately the world! We have Kings, but now we have the chance to make a King of Kings.

Is a new era of Dwilight

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Dwilight / Re: Order of Aristocrats

« on: June 06, 2013, 10:40:24 PM »

So could I just build a guild house and call it 'House Apasurain' and have some people join it and thats my house?

No, it wouldn't make sense to build House Apasurain because you are already a family member of House Apasurain. Your family House already exists. But let's say, for example, that House Apasurain, House Ironsides, House Cheesehead and House Catspaw all shared a common vision or colluded toward a similar goal, or were all just really good friends, we would form Great House Randy Duck (or something like that) together and compete in the Aristocracy. Our family Houses are affiliates of the Great House, not the Great House itself.

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Dwilight / Re: Order of Aristocrats

« on: June 06, 2013, 08:41:54 PM »

I was pointing at the location, which isn't so easily accessible or there's little reason for people to actually go there (besides, then, joining your guild).

Ohhhh  , ya, in the beginning nobles will have to hike to get in, but once it spreads out of Swordfell it will be available en masse. I suppose membership will come in waves, those who really get the idea and want in, then those who join up because it is accessible, and finally those who join because they will miss out if they don't 

...Plus, Bowie will personally cook pancakes for anyone who hikes to BR to join the Aristocracy!

Also, I should have added that missing an 'r' could potentially made the spelling "AristoCATS" teehee.

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Dwilight / Re: Order of Aristocrats

« on: June 06, 2013, 08:17:13 PM »

I spotted a minor flaw in your concept. 

Such as? Did I forget one of the the 'r's in Aristocrat?

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Dwilight / Re: Order of Aristocrats

« on: June 06, 2013, 07:06:27 PM »

You have to be an aristocrat first before you can make your own Great House, so come on down to BR and sign up today

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Dwilight / Order of Aristocrats

« on: June 06, 2013, 07:44:35 AM »

It is my great pleasure to finally introduce Dwilight to the Order of Aristocrats; a new social order bound to make great waves across our continent!

Have a look see: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Order_of_Aristocrats#Aristocracy

Huzzah! Hurray! Hail the new wave!

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Helpline / Re: Change Realm Name Glitch or Deliberate?

« on: June 06, 2013, 06:50:46 AM »

Aa, then formal name is what I meant. Here is the error, anyway:

Notice: Array to string conversion in /var/battlemaster/forum/Sources/Load.php(2193) : eval()'d code on line 22 Notice: Array to string conversion in /var/battlemaster/forum/Sources/Load.php(2193) : eval()'d code on line 23 Notice: Array to string conversion in /var/battlemaster/forum/Sources/Load.php(2193) : eval()'d code on line 25 Notice: Array to string conversion in /var/battlemaster/forum/Sources/Load.php(2193) : eval()'d code on line 26 Notice: Array to string conversion in /var/battlemaster/forum/Sources/Load.php(2193) : eval()'d code on line 27 Fatal error: Cannot use assign-op operators with overloaded objects nor string offsets in /var/battlemaster/forum/Sources/Subs.php on line 3248

It's not a big deal, but I wasn't sure if it was a glitch or if that was supposed to happen because the feature isn't complete.

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Helpline / Change Realm Name Glitch or Deliberate?

« on: June 05, 2013, 11:33:08 PM »

I am getting a weird glitch error when I go to change the name of Fane in the Government System panel. I will record the glitch next turn and post it here, but my question is whether it is ACTUALLY a glitch or whether that feature is just not available on the East Continent. I can't remember if it is only for the testing isle or not...

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East Island / Re: Fane

« on: June 05, 2013, 11:30:56 PM »

...
Sits in a chair and serves a cup with wine
...

The thing that I am enjoying best about Fane so far, even though I am practically all by myself, is that every single day is the feeling of life and death. The game is so much more exciting because of it! It's one of those things where the wind and the sun feel so much more better if you know you might not have the chance to taste them tomorrow (or could potentially win everything).  And every single little gain is a monumental gain compared to the things that those mammoth realms earn. Sure they could squash me, but I have one new noble! One! Hallelujah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxajLWwzqY

This is the finest moment of Armstrong's entire life, bar none. Comparing that to Bowie who's been all over Dwilight and has been up and down the hierarchies, that's saying a hell of a lot.

...Dumbledore as General

That's right! Take that East Continent, master wizard is top cop around Castle Fane.

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East Island / Re: Fane

« on: June 05, 2013, 08:09:17 AM »

So just 2 noble? Can i sent my new noble, Stella to your realm?

"So long as you are honest and true, and devoted to the virtues of your heart and the faith of your soul above all else," absolutely!