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Dwilight / Re: Asylon Realm Thread
« on: April 18, 2013, 12:26:57 AM »
Decided it was time to contribute to this thread:

*ahem

Rynn and Grimdawg be homies, yo.

That is all.

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Beluaterra / Re: The War of Ice and Sun
« on: April 18, 2013, 12:00:07 AM »
I was pretty amazed when I landed in Melhed and was all like... wait a minute... I know this guy. And this guy. And this guy. And... that guy... We should rename Melhed to D'Hara Nova. ;)

D'Hara Nova: Hated by one and all, but not caring cuz we be rich as hell

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Beluaterra / Re: The War of Ice and Sun
« on: April 17, 2013, 11:42:42 PM »
She's quickly become the "Witch of Melhed" in Thalmarkin. So, job well done on crafting the perfect villain for the moment.  8)

That's actually pretty sweet to know. I've designed her character as the foil to Rynn. For starters, she hates him, though I have yet to update my wiki to reflect it. Where Rynn would avoid spilled blood if possible, she would bathe  in it. Mix that bloodlust with iron loyalty and just a small dash of desiring to be good...ish, and you have a fairly complicated character.

For example, she has a Guile advy in her dungeon right now and has NOT killed him, even though she promised to behead all Thal adv's she met.

As a player, I am starting to have more funplaying her than Rynn atm. This is a great war.

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Dwilight / Re: Sanguis Astroism
« on: April 17, 2013, 11:37:33 PM »
That depends on how you read it, and how you define "theocracy of Sanguis Astroism."

Again, it's a debate that will be had extensively IC, I am sure.

It will have to be, because so far, I really do not see any reason why an Elder seat should be withheld. The church has virtually everything they want, regardless if they feel they had to pull teeth to get it.

On another note, would the Church implode if Khari, Constantine, and Chernier convinced Rynn to convert?

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Beluaterra / Re: The War of Ice and Sun
« on: April 17, 2013, 08:37:54 PM »
What's a Kalixta?

8)

Kalixta: (N) Personal scourge of Guiles everywhere  :P

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Dwilight / Re: Sanguis Astroism
« on: April 17, 2013, 08:36:07 PM »
Yep, the Prophet of SA, certainly didn't give a Sermon regarding tolerance of other faiths in the recent past.

Nope, Rynn def did not hear anything remotely like that during his wedding to Khari. Not at all.

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Dwilight / Re: Sanguis Astroism
« on: April 17, 2013, 06:24:29 PM »
So they in fact do not abide by those theocratic principles outlined in Article X and XI? If that's true, then they need to get with the program or otherwise get comfortable with not having an Elder seat.

However,

If they can prove they abide by those rules that were outlined, then I don't really see the problem. Just because they butt political heads with the church should not be sufficient grounds to deny them. Right?

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Dwilight / Re: Sanguis Astroism
« on: April 17, 2013, 05:55:37 PM »
One would call a realm that governs itself by theocratic principles is, a theocracy.

But doesn't FR do this? Khari doesn't bug Rynn about the FR's internals, nor is he in the Church. SO this is just me as a player trying to get it.

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Dwilight / Re: Sanguis Astroism
« on: April 17, 2013, 04:21:13 PM »
That's exactly what we're arguing. The church has defined a set of rules here:

http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Sanguis_Astroism/Charter#Article_X.2C_XI:_The_Theocracies

I and others are arguing that the Elders are free to consider that these rules are the definition of theocracy in the eyes of the church, and that any realm that follows these rules is a theocracy.

Others are arguing that only those realms which are theocracies by game mechanics can be considered theocracies, and that the rules and privileges apply only to them, and that extending these rules to other realms would be against the rules of the game.

After reading through it, I did not see anywhere that a realm applying for an Elder seat must technically be a theocracy. All that was listed were requirements that were deemed "theocratic." In short, this is all semantics, no? Am I missing something, or is this entire argument over some ruffled feathers?

To support this observation, Classically, OOC, theocratic realms are where the priest double as the ruling class. That would mean ever regional lord, duke, and ruler, must be of the priest class. While I personally think that this would be a supremely interesting development, it is not in the game mechanics and is thus a moot point. As I understand it, no single realm in SA follows this model.

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Dwilight / Re: Luria
« on: April 17, 2013, 03:55:09 PM »
Well, from the last census conducted by the ever-energetic Ismail and later events, it seems that a lot of our people (the majority, now) are from one of the Lurias. Even Rynn was born in the Desert of Silhouettes, a region claimed by Luria.

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Dwilight / Re: The Marrocidenian war
« on: April 17, 2013, 03:31:36 PM »
So is it about time to close this part of Dwili history? I mean, I don't see any more offensive heading towards Aurvandil any time soon. I'm actually surprised the new Prince_Regent hasn't gone about signing cease-fires and peace treaties yet.

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Dwilight / Re: Sanguis Astroism
« on: April 17, 2013, 03:24:13 PM »
In reference to the observation of game mechanics whereby a nation can be theocratic in name but totally republican in practice, and the confirmation that that would be OK, I am just curious as to a realm has to do to be considered a Theocracy by the Church. Does the ruler have to be a priest? all the government positions as well? What does it take?

The reason I bring this up is because the Catholic Church absolutely dominated the politics of European realms, all of which were monarchies, rather than actual theocracies. So looking from the outside in, both IC and OOC, I see all the smoke but am a little unsure where the fire is.

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Beluaterra / Re: The War of Ice and Sun
« on: April 17, 2013, 02:52:46 PM »
I definitely knew I had it coming, but I was a little surprised at my horrendous luck... Medium risk production sabotage in an empty region... Worse, no escape option. Darn shame, too. 60% in both swordfighting and infiltration.

Ah well, Kuvio's head may roll, but it's only a portent for the metaphorical boulder about to roll over Melhed. :P

If it helps at all, that execution cost Kalixta 6 Honor and 5 prestige.  :-X

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Dwilight / Re: To join realm - Swordfell or D'Hara?
« on: April 17, 2013, 03:34:26 AM »
Marrying a D'Hara is so IN, all the cool people are doing it!

Maybe we should start a match-making guild...

No other realm has such a high density of royals or dukes! Top quality husbands and wives for the picking!

Actually, that is a pretty interesting idea. I wonder how many people would buy into it? I mean, arrange marriages and marriage alliance were big deals back in the day which I feel has been sadly under-played on Dwilight. In fact, the only people I can think of besides Rynn and Khari who are married is that virulent couple, Jonsu and Sevestan.  ;D

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Beluaterra / Re: The War of Ice and Sun
« on: April 16, 2013, 11:25:47 PM »
Actually, at no point did Kalixta ever say she would kill nobles outright, simply for being enemies. She DID say that because Thalmarkin troops raped and murdered in Lloringel, the lives of any commoners she caught would be rendered forfeit as retribution.

Kalixta has a serious problem with Rapists.

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