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Don't worry, I know how to be a good sport with OOC information. I won't let it affect any of our in game processes, that would just be slimy.

Let's just say I had some...annoying D&D experiences in the past and found that its easier to simply avoid the temptation wherever possible  :(

Question for Solari,

Just for clarification, that ceasefire agreement Malus presented to Rynn way back when did say something about ceding claims of Sallowscape (The Cassius Belli for the declaration of war) to D'Hara, no?  I clearly remember that, And' I'm hoping I shared it with some of the HoL before having to decline it. Anyway, my mind plays tricks on me and it seems you can lay that question to bed.

@Arundel. Yes, Yes you are naughty. Also, consider this. If Fissoa falls, Alice has to have Rynn's babies because she swore to it. So by all means, drag your feet. Rynn wins either way.

Swore  8)

Wow. I hope no one from Aurvandil is reading this.

@Arundel, Under any circumstances, it is inappropriate to share IG correspondence OOC.

@Nosferatus, Shhh! You're in prison! you can't see any of this!

What I find that's interesting is the inherited hatreds all our characters got from the previous generation who, by and large, are either no longer playing, now in other realms, or no longer even on the island. Alice started playing on a little before Rynn himself did, they are even the same age or very close to it. Never met each other or actually did anything to each other, but completely loath one another because of what side of the fence they are on. It's great to RP.

The Girich clause? Yeah, that was me. Never expected it to stick, but I was looking at it from a bartering perspective, e.g. Start with an obscenely high price and negotiate. Alice no likey negotiatey.

Background politics? Well, one kid was playing around and accidently knocked a ball away. Another kid picked it up and thought "Wow, a real live ball! How fortunate am I? I shall nuzzle it and play with it and name it D'Hara 2.0." All was well and good until the first kid RAISED BLOODY !@#$ING MURDER TO HAVE HER GAHDAMNED BALL BACK. The other kid shrugged and rolled it back, tearfully waving goodbye as he sent it on it's way. It's STILL on its way, trundling along as the first kid screams obscenities at it to encourage it to move faster, while the other kid moves on to other things, like helping his bro against the OTHER schoolyard bully.

But yeah, no, the chance for Luria to take on D'Hara successfully came and went. You might as well get used our island tans and moneygrubbing. We ain't goin' no where.

Surprised at D'Harans howling with hypocritical outrage when the same tactics they use are visited upon them? There, now that we've both gotten the necessary stupidities out of the way, would you care to elaborate on the specifics of the "bull!@#$" so we can all learn something?

Hypocritical outrage? Same tactics? What on Dwilight are you going on about?

Lurians do tend to make the game interesting, though.

Some big events happened down the South, any thoughts, opinions?

Havn't been able to get anything done today due to ALL THE CRAP!

Anyway, check the last few pages of the Lurian thread for the play by play.

I'm confused. Which Prime Minister of D'Hara sought to have Iashalur and Morek as guarantors of a peace between LN and D'Hara? Wasn't that Rynn? Was not LN brought in to that discussion? As I understand it, the only sticking point in the terms, which were largely hashed out by every party but LN, was the sudden attachment of LV to the peace terms. Far too often, these forum conversations turn into turdburgers based on a faulty understanding of the facts as they happened. It would benefit us all if we could address this first, before we reduce it to simply talking past one another.

That was Rynn. In fact, I'm glad you brought that up because it was another thing that Irritated Rynn because D'hara "was brought in to that discussion" as well. Those peace talks regarding the Lurian-D'Haran war were initially made without D'Hara's knowledge. All of a sudden, Ingi shows up and is like "Dude, I talked them down, you should go with this."

Now the treaty was cool.  I remember something about Luria ceding all rights to the Sallowscape Duchy. To be honest, I really regret being unable to accept thanks to the recent commitment with LV. But again, it was made without D'Hara and therefore didn't represent our current interest, which included LV at that time.

Don't let that distract you, though, because the big point is that Had those discussions been made with us in the loop, rather than randomly in the background and suddenly proposed, it probably definitely would have prevented the LV-D'Hara alliance and ended the war. Period. Months ago. Done.

[seriously]

I don't know offhand what the details of the previous peace discussions were, except that the terms that D'Hara demanded were always (from LN's perspective) utterly and sometimes ludicrously unacceptable. For which, see below.

You saying this makes me think you still don't have the slightest clue about the relationship between LN and LV.

As far as Luria Nova was concerned, they shouldn't even have been considered a separate realm; they renounced that right when they broke the Lurian Imperial Charter, and became a rebellious Lurian province, which was entirely a Lurian internal affair. We were also seriously pissed at Bipel and his cronies.

Peace between LN and LV was not ever going to happen. There was not a single thing that could have convinced LN to let LV live. Not even a Morekian army on our borders and the whole of SA crying for our blood, I don't think.

And from our perspective, this was just one more ill-conceived, stupid, and perfectly predictable D'Haran double-cross. We knew that you and LV had been buddy-buddy, and figured this was either your attempt to ensure that LV could survive despite the treaty, or just a better way of attacking us from behind when we tried to attack Aurvandil.

Yeah, but that didn't happen till after we figured you guys had betrayed us again ;D

Yeah, I know that as a player, but Rynn's character only knows the basics about Luria: That they are a lying pack of conceited, disharmonious bloodthirsty vipers set on world domination. No Lurian had ever attempted to educate him, nor had any former Lurian D'Haran's. And before you ask, Rynn often asks questions from his advisers and peers. In fact, what I know as a player about Lurian internal policies I've only learned from this thread.

Last week.

For example, I had no idea Alice was RPd as a blind woman, especially since her class is still a warrior. It would have made for some badass RP, minus the blind part. Imagine the embarrassment after she declined to dual for that reason!

I agree with you though that this is all entirely in character. But it sure is nice to flip the lights on every once and a while OOC.

@Silverfire, Btw, when Brom was exiled and went to Terran, Rynn asked Alura if you wouldn't prefer life on the Dragon Isles instead. I take it you didn't get the memo?

Well then let me weigh in on this don't let this affect IC, its way more interesting for our characters to work through it. I am just hoping to alleviate some genuine OOC confusion:

1) There was a single Lurian overture for Peace that Rynn is aware of. It came months ago and was proposed by Malus. You know, the same guy who declared surprise buttseks on D'Hara in the first place. Small wonder why it was not well received. Additionally, D'Hara had JUST made it's alliance with LV which in our eyes caused the massive Lurian army sitting on our doorstep to turn home and attend to closer matters, giving us some breathing room. Therefore accepting any peace after a show of support like that would be lower than low, just throwing LV under the bus. Nope, wasn't gonna happen.

2) Rynn asked each of the Lurian rulers for peace even before this, but was denied by everyone accept, eventually, Bipel. Ya'll all smelled blood in the air and was going for it, you could have stopped then.

3) Of course D'hara wont trust LN when they say "Mah bad, dudes, seriously, lets go kick that OTHER guy's ass, I'm right behind you..." And LN, knowing this, did zero to convince us otherwise. The insisting on peace for LV, as our allies, would have bought a lot of good faith in this regard.

4) The war was never profitable for D'Hara. If we are going to through some IGRP into this, why the heck would we continue an unprofitable venture but for fear of future aforementioned surprise buttseks?

5) Girich. Yup, we were going to attack the hell out of Girich. In fact, Alice sent Rynn her call for peace a few mere hours before landing orders would have been sent. Rynn put everything on hold, talked !@#$ out, and agreed to peace. Done. Finished. He was at Qubel Lighthouse again before half of you even realized D'Hara and Luria Nova were at peace. Then he exuberantly started planning WITH ALICE and luxuriating in D'Hara's first moment of Peace in like 5 years.

6) Everything is going good until WHAM! New duchy! And Alice was all like "Bitch you best give dat !@#$ back or ima cut ya!" and Rynn responded "!@#$ yo couch! Quite cryin cause you lost. Not my fault you didn't see that !@#$ coming. !@#$ nah I didn't know about it bitch!" So basically, to a D'Haran, LuriLogic took over: "Say what? D'Hara's back is turned again? AND we can ake cassus beli? Lucky we got this backstabby knife all set..."

7) Rynn called for a peaceful solution by focusing on big things first, swearing a peaceful return of the regions

8) Alice swore to kill Rynn if he didn't do what she said.

9) !@#$ Alice

10) Copies of the ambassadors corressondance were dispatched to both the Moot and the Church

Laugh it up, Silverfire. I woke up this morning to a complete cluster!@#$.

Ya'll just need to stop talking about this OOC.

Play the damned game without the commentary and keep it IC!

+1

I honestly can't remember when buying food was a major concern. Besides the friggan Long Winter, of course...

Apparently the price of being imbecilic and covering up your selfishness (for lack of a better, more evident term) with trolling is not all the !@#$s you could've given.

I was excited about being a part of all of this but this sort of self-indulgence and not even letting the realm rest for a moment before stirring up a !@#$storm is not only selfish, but has been executed poorly at best, and has left me wanting and concerned. Concerned because this was not my impression of how people handled things in BM. My impression was that people can handle their characters having a disagreement without going overboard at the flick of a wrist and ruining not only an interesting event but what could've been an interesting controversy with nothing more than immaturity and a seeming lack of respect for the rest of the player community.

I don't know... I'm new. Maybe my standards are too high.

I don't want anyone else to get the wrong idea, this is largely directed at Bowie. From what I've witnessed Woelfy has been largely reactionary and Pike's been trying to salvage the mess.

<----D'Hara lies that way  8)

Sevastian has been backed into a corner, yeah, he's going to lash out at people being illogical. He hasn't insulted anyone but Bowie and Kiyth, who used the same weak poop jokes.

I prove that how? I am strengthening my duchy, and thereby strengthening the realm. That is simple logic. It isn't my job to care about your duchy, Pike.

Lessons from one Republic to another: In D'Hara, the order of importance is realm first, second, and last. Third is for the ally slot. Even D'Haran dukes, who like any other are notorious for jealously guarding what's theirs, follow this.

Buuut if you really must crack Swordfell in half, D'Hara could always use some new knights  8)