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Feature Requests / Can't resell food

« on: March 26, 2011, 06:26:41 PM »

I just got the following message:
"The traders look at you funny as you try to sell them some of their own Food. It doesn't look as if they took it to be especially funny."

Here's the situation:
* I'm the Banker of a realm, and until just recently we had no traders.  So I sometimes have to move food myself to isolated regions.  I bought 200 food, and repaired.  Then a player just un-paused her character, a trader.  Great!  I can have the trader move the food for me.  Since I can't sell food directly to her, I try and sell it back to the region.  The region has an open "Buy" order, for the same price that it was selling food at.

However, I get the message above when I try and sell it.

I was about to open a Feature Request to allow this in the BugTracker.  But before I do so I wouldn't mind hearing feedback on this.  To me it seems fine -- if a region has a Buy and Sell order for the same price, what is the problem?  In some industries companies buy wholesale, and return what they don't use or can't sell.

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Background / Re: The medieval view of commoners

« on: March 26, 2011, 12:45:48 AM »

Very interesting stuff, thanks Vellos!

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Feature Requests / Re: Just a little screenshot of a feature in development...

« on: March 13, 2011, 04:26:33 AM »

Here's an actual battle report (on our wiki) that I did with heraldry banners for each noble.  It was well received.


Link: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Sirion_%28Realm%29/Battles/Raiding_of_Al_Amarah/Raid_into_Montijo

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East Island / Re: War Stories

« on: March 11, 2011, 08:13:26 PM »

While not exactly a war story, I once tried to sell food to Viseu or somewhere but the normal market was closed. So Kylen went to the black market and got caught. Point for the vapid albino elf girl I guess?

Haha... I always wondered why Kylen used the Black Market.  It's tough without your trader in Sirion!

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Feature Requests / Re: Clear explanation of the difference between nobles and commoners.

« on: March 11, 2011, 07:58:10 PM »

Was it? Or were they simply practical enough to know that if you go back far enough, it eventually becomes really hard to come up with reliable documentation?

No doubt some families can't trace their lineage all the way, though others were quite proud of their lineage and could.  I can actually trace my IRL nobility to the point at which it was awarded to my ancestor.  Either way though, the stigma was there precisely because some noble families didn't have a long 'history' of being nobility.

Since you're here and active on this thread, I'm more interested in the claim that we can't RP our founding family, and that it has to be an existing family that has suddenly become more prominent.  Can you confirm this?  Thanks!

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Feature Requests / Re: Clear explanation of the difference between nobles and commoners.

« on: March 11, 2011, 06:08:52 PM »

The key thing is that you have noble blood.  It doesn't matter how stirring a speech a commoner is able to deliver: he's still a commoner.

I think we agree more than we don't.  A commoner is indeed nothing but a commoner, one that is not equal to a noble.  But I do wonder if you're side-stepping the actual issue that was raised (namely that nobles are related to commoners), and that noble families came from somewhere.

It doesn't matter if BM says "all new noble families are just those that weren't prominent before" (though this is the first time I've heard this -- are we restricting people's RP of their family founding now???), it still had to come from somewhere.

And people were given noble titles for their deeds.  As I mentioned, nobility was by blood or deed.  Either way, your Superiority was "recognized".

Now granted some societies historically did care about how "pure" a noble's blood was.  Some knight organizations required that you trace your noble lineage for for x-number of generations.  But that just determined how far back you went... it was understood if you go back far it eventually stopped.

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Feature Requests / Re: Clear explanation of the difference between nobles and commoners.

« on: March 11, 2011, 04:22:51 PM »

That's NOT what the issue was about.  It might just be that the original poster is using this as a straw-man argument to further his point about the real argument (though I can't say for sure of course).

As far as I read only ONE guy was claiming for equality.  And everyone immediately dissented with him.  But that is not what the big discussion was about.

Here's what actually happened:
1. The judge of Sirion asked us to give him the names of anyone that was tortured and/or killed by Lady Gabriella (an infamous elf-hater who is said to collect elf ears).
2. People started providing him with names, mostly of their relatives.  Some of those relatives were... commoners!
3. People got upset that commoners had been mentioned, and that people were admitting to be related to commoners.

Here's what was explained to the OP:

• Nobles *did* marry wealthy merchants (commoners).  So it's quite possible that even your loved one might be a commoner.  Naturally, you might be upset if someone tortured and killed them.
• Noble families start from somewhere, and BM has lots of new noble families.  Some people play those new noble families as just being minor families now being more prominent, but others RP it as the founding of a new noble line, usually for notable actions.  That nobility did not extend backwards (as far as I know) to your mom/pop, grand-dad/grand-mum, great-grand-dad, etc.  So it's quite conceivable your mum might be a commoner (also see above about wealthy merchants).
• Adventurers become nobles all the time.
• Nobility was recognized by blood and by deeds.  They key thing is that you either have inherent or demonstrated Superiority, which explains why you are fit to lead commoners.
• BM treats commoners as serfs (despite calling them freemen), so they are in fact owned by a Lord.  If someone destroyed your house or killed your beloved dog, you'd be rightfully upset and demand recompense.  In fact, historically if a Lord killed a serf, they had to pay the serf's owner for the damages.

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Wiki / Re: Can't use wiki due to toolbar

« on: March 05, 2011, 10:28:26 PM »

Very cool, thanks!

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Wiki / Re: Can't use wiki due to toolbar

« on: March 04, 2011, 06:36:17 PM »

New issue as of this morning, happens on 3 different browsers, and I tried on a new machine.  I went ahead and just reported it straight to the Bugtracker.
http://bugs.battlemaster.org/view.php?id=5966

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East Island / Re: War Stories

« on: March 04, 2011, 03:42:07 AM »

This was one of my best combined RPs with some Sirion players. 
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Sirion_%28Realm%29/Death_of_Brom_Vats

Yeah, that was a good send off!

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Wiki / Re: Can't use wiki due to toolbar

« on: March 03, 2011, 10:23:49 PM »

When I finally figured out how to login, I immediately went to check my Skin Appearance setting:

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w57/Adonran/Misc/Wiki-skin.png

It says MonoBook.

Granted, now that I've logged in, everything has changed, and now I have a starry background.  'Course the problem was it being difficult to log in...

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Wiki / Re: Can't use wiki due to toolbar

« on: March 03, 2011, 05:55:21 AM »

Sorry about not providing more details!

Here's a screenshot: http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w57/Adonran/Misc/Chrome-BM-wiki.png

Chrome version is 9.0.597.98 (actually, I just updated to 9.0.597.107 and it still occurs as well)

I'm using Win7 as my OS.

I'm already using MonoBook as my skin.

Thanks!

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Far East Island / Re: Phoenix Talk, with Jenred Kindon-Bedwyr or Matthew, as you choose

« on: March 03, 2011, 05:44:25 AM »

You'll have to wait until he recovers.

Is he your character?  Argh... I don't know which poster corresponds to which character(s).

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Wiki / Can't use wiki due to toolbar

« on: March 02, 2011, 06:12:58 PM »

Not sure exactly where to post this.

I can't seem to login (or even edit or view source of articles) on the wiki due to the toolbar at the top of the screen.

My browser is the latest Chrome version.

Thanks!

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Far East Island / Re: Phoenix Talk, with Jenred Kindon-Bedwyr or Matthew, as you choose

« on: March 02, 2011, 04:00:36 PM »

But Xarnelf's latest trip to Enlod is going to make things very interesting

Yeah, that caught me by surprise.  I asked some fellow Arcachon nobles if anyone had any idea, and of course no one replied.  Can't wait to find out!