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Re: Fontan's Surprising Strength
« Reply #120: April 06, 2012, 04:20:33 PM »
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Re: Fontan's Surprising Strength
« Reply #122: April 06, 2012, 04:37:17 PM »
I have issued moderator warnings to everyone I noticed as overly aggressive, insulting or otherwise contributing to the flamefest.

Is this how you'd talk to your friends over a boardgame?

Get a grip, people.


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Re: Fontan's Surprising Strength
« Reply #123: April 06, 2012, 04:38:00 PM »
And so, from this thread, we can learn one thing definitively:

Whether or not there is a clan that has taken over Fontan, the fact that there was a clan in Thulsoma, that took over Averoth, that shares some players with Fontan (and these facts are not, I believe, in dispute) has led to deep OOC bitterness and anger on all sides.

This, I think, is the worst danger of clans. The witch hunts. The recriminations. The belief, even years later, that your realm was destroyed unfairly by a clan you never had a chance against.

This is the sort of thing that can ruin a game's community. And this is why I appeal to those who did participate in the Saxon realms: Please, do not go around to any other realms en masse and take them over. You can have fun in this game without that. In the long run, you can probably have more fun.

And while being able to be certain of winning all the time may be fun for you, it destroys fun for other people, far beyond the direct effects of defeating them in wars and destroying their realms.
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Re: Fontan's Surprising Strength
« Reply #124: April 06, 2012, 04:55:44 PM »
And so, from this thread, we can learn one thing definitively:

Whether or not there is a clan that has taken over Fontan, the fact that there was a clan in Thulsoma, that took over Averoth, that shares some players with Fontan (and these facts are not, I believe, in dispute) has led to deep OOC bitterness and anger on all sides.

This, I think, is the worst danger of clans. The witch hunts. The recriminations. The belief, even years later, that your realm was destroyed unfairly by a clan you never had a chance against.

This is the sort of thing that can ruin a game's community. And this is why I appeal to those who did participate in the Saxon realms: Please, do not go around to any other realms en masse and take them over. You can have fun in this game without that. In the long run, you can probably have more fun.

And while being able to be certain of winning all the time may be fun for you, it destroys fun for other people, far beyond the direct effects of defeating them in wars and destroying their realms.

And this is what happens when you challenge their behaviour - they come out and they start directly insulting players with images, and denying it all ever happened. What next? They'll start putting out explicit pictures involving the names of characters or players? I'll get harassment for speaking to Tom in the first place?

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Re: Fontan's Surprising Strength
« Reply #125: April 06, 2012, 04:59:26 PM »
We're done with this thread. Next time, let's try not to devolve into personal attacks. And this goes to *both* sides.
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Re: Fontan's Surprising Strength
« Reply #126: April 07, 2012, 11:52:40 AM »
A final word from me (cool, I can post to locked topics, never realized that before :-) ):


I do believe in light of this we actually do need an anti-clan policy. We've made our bad experiences, no need to repeat them. I'm not yet sure about the details, but the goal needs to be that no realm is ever controlled by any group of OOC friends, no matter if they call themselves clan, not-clan, classmates, family or whatever.

The best way to ensure that for most cases would be to get more players into the game so realms get larger again. But that's not something that is going to happen within the next few weeks.

Anyone who feels strongly about the issue could take a few hours to think about the topic and then open a topic in Development with a proposal.