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Tax Oddities
« Topic Start: September 16, 2011, 06:44:37 AM »
Ajitmon   152 gold   0 %   0 gold
Fwuvoghor   91 gold   25 %   22 gold
Total from regions:      22 gold
to Realm   100 %   22 gold
your share      0 gold
Your region's tax collection:
Fwuvoghor
Tax Income   10 %   334 gold
Trade Balance      -60 gold
Recruitment Centers      4 gold
Workshop Maintenance      18 gold
Militia Payments      161 gold
to Duchy   25 %   22 gold
to Knights   14 %   9 gold
your share      60 gold

Note those last 3 lines.

25% of Fwuvoghor's after-cost income is 22 gold, meaning 1% should be 0.88 gold. Which means a 14% share... should be 12 gold. Not 9 gold.

And my 61% share... should be 54 gold... not 60 gold.

334 - 60 = 274
274 - 4 = 270
270 - 18 = 252
252 - 161 = 91

0.25 * 91 = 22.75
0.14 * 91 = 12.74
0.61 * 91 = 55.51

Not huge errors... and same total... but I'm just curious to know how this happened. Seems like a rather big rounding error.
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Re: Tax Oddities
« Reply #1: September 16, 2011, 08:02:20 AM »
Ajitmon   152 gold   0 %   0 gold
Fwuvoghor   91 gold   25 %   22 gold
Total from regions:      22 gold
to Realm   100 %   22 gold
your share      0 gold
Your region's tax collection:
Fwuvoghor
Tax Income   10 %   334 gold
Trade Balance      -60 gold
Recruitment Centers      4 gold
Workshop Maintenance      18 gold
Militia Payments      161 gold
to Duchy   25 %   22 gold
to Knights   14 %   9 gold
your share      60 gold

Note those last 3 lines.

25% of Fwuvoghor's after-cost income is 22 gold, meaning 1% should be 0.88 gold. Which means a 14% share... should be 12 gold. Not 9 gold.

And my 61% share... should be 54 gold... not 60 gold.

334 - 60 = 274
274 - 4 = 270
270 - 18 = 252
252 - 161 = 91

0.25 * 91 = 22.75
0.14 * 91 = 12.74
0.61 * 91 = 55.51

Not huge errors... and same total... but I'm just curious to know how this happened. Seems like a rather big rounding error.

My char the duke of Paisly has a few hundred gold. I don't think he's supposed to have any, to be honest, as the last two taxes were negative due to the trade balance, and I think I had sent out the last of my gold last week on caravans.

Might you, a good deal came back empty, that might explain some of it?
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Re: Tax Oddities
« Reply #2: September 16, 2011, 10:35:14 AM »
Vellos I think the percentages don't refer all to the total:

If you take the 14% of 91-22 it'exactly 9, then your share is basically what remains.

I think it should be correct if I understand tax system properly, first you subtract the duchy share, then the knights and lords share are applied to what remains after the duchy share.

91*0.25=22.75

(91-22)*0.14=9.66

91-22-9=60

You should have not 61% share but rather 86% if knights have 14%, the duchy share should apply first. Can you check on the region tax page which share is listed for you?

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« Reply #3: September 16, 2011, 06:37:31 PM »
Tax Income   10 %   334 gold
Trade Balance      -60 gold
Recruitment Centers      4 gold
Workshop Maintenance      18 gold
Militia Payments      161 gold
=91 gold
to Duchy   25 %   22 gold
=69 gold
to Knights   14 %   9 gold
your share      60 gold

makes sense to me.

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« Reply #4: September 16, 2011, 07:00:02 PM »
Vellos I think the percentages don't refer all to the total:

If you take the 14% of 91-22 it'exactly 9, then your share is basically what remains.

I think it should be correct if I understand tax system properly, first you subtract the duchy share, then the knights and lords share are applied to what remains after the duchy share.

91*0.25=22.75

(91-22)*0.14=9.66

91-22-9=60

You should have not 61% share but rather 86% if knights have 14%, the duchy share should apply first. Can you check on the region tax page which share is listed for you?

Ah, that makes sense.
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« Reply #5: September 16, 2011, 08:01:31 PM »
you should see what it says in "region tax" under "command" if you want to see something weird. even stranger would be the details page.

at least they will be gone (as in totally redone) with the new system. right?
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« Reply #6: September 16, 2011, 08:47:19 PM »
at least they will be gone (as in totally redone) with the new system. right?
Yes. The current tax system is completely replaced as part of the estate revision. The new system is much simpler, so hopefully there will be less opportunity for bugs to creep in.
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« Reply #7: September 17, 2011, 07:01:40 AM »
you should see what it says in "region tax" under "command" if you want to see something weird. even stranger would be the details page.

at least they will be gone (as in totally redone) with the new system. right?

Oh I know. I talked to Tim about that a while back. Those numbers are completely wacky.
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