Priest - honor and prestige gaining

[Kain]

I switched one of my chars to priest a while ago and he has not recieved  single point of honour or prestige since then. Is it meant to be so?

Even courtiers get it from their work, why not priests?

[Indirik]

This was a design decision by Tom when the priests were added. Off-hand, I am not sure of the exact reason. Maybe he can give his reasons when he gets a chance.

[Chenier]

I switched one of my chars to priest a while ago and he has not recieved  single point of honour or prestige since then. Is it meant to be so?

Even courtiers get it from their work, why not priests?

If you do a priest/ambassador, then you can gain some. Courts can also gain you some if you are a lord.

But indeed, not much. Less than I'd like. Might have something to do with the fact that honor dictates how many men you can field: those who fought a lot should be able to lead more than those who never did. Courtiers gain less, but they also can carry units. Priests can't, so they (maybe) shouldn't be able to increase their unit cap size?

[egamma]

I switched one of my chars to priest a while ago and he has not recieved  single point of honour or prestige since then. Is it meant to be so?

Even courtiers get it from their work, why not priests?

I would expect priests to be very prestigious--prestige is how the peasants view you, right? So preaching should get you lots of prestige.

On the other hand, honor is how nobles view, you, right? So those outside your faith probably don't care much.

[Kain]

If you do a priest/ambassador, then you can gain some. Courts can also gain you some if you are a lord.

But indeed, not much. Less than I'd like. Might have something to do with the fact that honor dictates how many men you can field: those who fought a lot should be able to lead more than those who never did. Courtiers gain less, but they also can carry units. Priests can't, so they (maybe) shouldn't be able to increase their unit cap size?

But honour and prestige is not only for unit cap-size. It gives you options such as what trades to change to later, and you cannot become an infiltrator later without it, as an example.

Not to mention that you lose honour and prestige by certain actions (such as stepping down too fast from positions). I believe my priest can be elected to the council right now, but if he loses 2 points of prestige somehow, he loses that possibility.

Should not a priest be quite prestigous and honourable? A man of education and scripture who does the lords work

[egamma]

But honour and prestige is not only for unit cap-size. It gives you options such as what trades to change to later, and you cannot become an infiltrator later without it, as an example.

Not to mention that you lose honour and prestige by certain actions (such as stepping down too fast from positions). I believe my priest can be elected to the council right now, but if he loses 2 points of prestige somehow, he loses that possibility.

Should not a priest be quite prestigous and honourable? A man of education and scripture who does the lords work

You mean a pagan rabble-rouser who spends his time consorting with peasants, stirring up trouble and swaying the weak-minded to rise up against those who rightfully rule over them?

[Draco Tanos]

Or those who spread the True Faith, bolstering the commoners to their pious lords and casting down the heathen, heretical daimon-worshiping false lords ?

Such is in the eye of the beholder.

[Kain]

You mean a pagan rabble-rouser who spends his time consorting with peasants, stirring up trouble and swaying the weak-minded to rise up against those who rightfully rule over them?

But it is the right hand men of whatever god they represent. They are the highest representatives of the lords, dukes and the kings faiths aswell.

But what you said was quite interesting, the part about them being prestigous but not very honourable.

[fodder]

does diplo action raise h/p? just do a p/d

[Kain]

does diplo action raise h/p? just do a p/d

Well that is not the point.

A priest shouldn't have to engage in diplomatic work/battles/courtier work just to get honour/prestige so that he i.e can be elected to a council position.

[JPierreD]

does diplo action raise h/p? just do a p/d

My priest doesn't have the h/p to become a diplomat. What now?

[Indirik]

Get a real job?

[Kain]

Get a real job?

Says the man who plays the ruler of the biggest theocracy (and realm) in Dwilight

[Indirik]

I agree that it is a bit annoying that priests don't have any avenue to gain honor and prestige. The leader of Sanguis Astroism for quite a while was Constantine Meneldur. He became a priest about 2-3 RL months after the character was created. Since that time he has not gained a single point of honor or prestige. He's been at 19/4 for the past 3+ RL years. You'd think that being, essentially, the most powerful and influential noble on Dwilight, he'd have a chance to gain some honor and prestige....

[Kain]

I agree that it is a bit annoying that priests don't have any avenue to gain honor and prestige. The leader of Sanguis Astroism for quite a while was Constantine Meneldur. He became a priest about 2-3 RL months after the character was created. Since that time he has not gained a single point of honor or prestige. He's been at 19/4 for the past 3+ RL years. You'd think that being, essentially, the most powerful and influential noble on Dwilight, he'd have a chance to gain some honor and prestige....

Amen to that.

Can't you in the Dev Team poke Tom and ask him if this has merit?