Cathay is no longer fond of the Elders really also due to the last war (which the Order power house (kindara zonasa) lost.) So I wonder how much strength the Order truly holds beyond the south.
Is that honestly an issue or just religious supporters drumming up conspiracies where they don't exist? The war had nothing to do with religion so I dont see why Cathay would have sour grapes over the Elders.
The same however goes for the Church of Sartan. It controls all of Sorraine, has some foot in Arcaea and the Dark Isles now and also some in Cathay.
I havent seen hard numbers, but I've been hearing that while the Church controls their realm politically, they don't have much in the way of actual peasant followers in any of their regions. Is there any truth to that?