Sanguis Astroism

[Gustav Kuriga]

Tell me once where the catholic church was seriously offended by another nation and just backed off. If you stop enforcing things even if there is a bit of a struggle, then there is no longer power held by SA, especially when that block will sit there against you ready to act when ever you displease them.

*ahem* The Holy Roman Empire.

[Lorgan]

What happened to the church of old is that lots of players on Dwilight decided it was more fun to tear things down than build them up.

SA became powerful because lots of players decided to play characters who were devoted to the church or at least cared about it and respected its spiritual authority; i.e. somewhat more typically medieval-ish characters. SA is weaker now because more players are choosing to behave like a less common kind of medieval noble (not non-existent, mind you: just less typical).

The Catholic Church didn't become strong by picking losing battles, and neither will SA.

Geez.

SA doesn't have to die nor lose it's authority. In fact I could think of a few ways for you guys to increase your authority in a more divided North. SA is not just theocracies and crusades, heck how much /real/ power did the theocracies of catholicism wield? Yeah, not that much.
SA will still have a monopoly in the North and dominate everywhere else. Just coz you won't have your big boys Morek and Astrum to pummel all opposition into the ground anymore doesn't mean that the fun is over. It'll just be a different game.

[Penchant]

Thats two times in one day... One of the nobles of Asylin replied ' yes my king' 

Hey Grimrog, share the throne dude!

Actually, Grimrog and I think very alike. Except Grimrog isnt as flamboyant with his rhetoric. I enjoy working with him. I enjoy every noble in Asylon who is active, opinionated and likes to have fun or chaos. We are all in Asylon to have fun, that means loose goals with short term planning. I dont think any of us are in it for the power or control we just enjoy coming up with some random idea and seeing where it goes. I think the other realms are far more analytical and looking at far too long term goals, in Asylon we live right now, there is no long term strategy, constantly come up with ways to cause trouble, find new ways to do things, do things differently than our neighbors just because we can and because its more fun to do things off the top of our heads than striving to maintain the realm or philosophy for years and years. We might be in Dwilight a long time, we might be gone tommorow, who cares as long as it was fun. And if it means we have to be the evil enemy of Dwilight, so be it... Because being bad is good fun.

Where do you get this from? "no long term strategy" and striving for fun instead of maintaining the realm? You haven't done anything offensively since Terran's war that was a serious war. You took a cheap shot at Terran because you still had a grudge with the realm and then whined to stop the war as soon as your realm actually became threatened. You couldn't even be man enough to honest in your war against Terran for your casus beli and instead just hid behind "matter of honor".

[Perth]

Tell me once where the catholic church was seriously offended by another nation and just backed off.

When Henry VIII withdrew all of England from the Catholic Church and founded his own?

[Perth]

Also... we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves... SA is far far far from dead.

[Vellos]

Also... we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves... SA is far far far from dead.

It doesn't need to die to become worthless

[Perth]

It doesn't need to die to become worthless

It's also pretty far from that.

[Indirik]

You would be surprised.

[Indirik]

What happened to the church of old....

You've been playing this game for two months. Where do get crap like this from?

[Indirik]

What happened to the church of old is that lots of players on Dwilight decided it was more fun to tear things down than build them up.

SA became powerful because lots of players decided to play characters who were devoted to the church or at least cared about it and respected its spiritual authority; i.e. somewhat more typically medieval-ish characters. SA is weaker now because more players are choosing to behave like a less common kind of medieval noble (not non-existent, mind you: just less typical).

This, in spades.

SA was always strong because the players that were part of it wanted it to be strong. They were willing to play nobles dedicated to their church, and willing to do their duties to the church. This is the key to a successful organization in Battlemaster, whether that organization is a religion, a guild, a secret society, or an entire realm. No organization can run without a group of people willing to make it work.

A growing number of nobles, and especially some of the more vocal ones, have decided that they do not want their characters to participate in the church, and would rather see it destroyed. Some of them because the church will not give them the power and leadership they seek, and some of them because the church will not follow their agenda.

Many (most?) people not in the church, and even quite a few in the church, simply don't understand how SA works, and what made it such a successful and influential institution. It's a bit sad. But it was a hell of a lot of fun building it into the biggest and best religion that Battlemaster has ever seen. I am quite confident that it's like will never be seen again.

[Perth]

A growing number of nobles, and especially some of the more vocal ones, have decided that they do not want their characters to participate in the church, and would rather see it destroyed. Some of them because the church will not give them the power and leadership they seek, and some of them because the church will not follow their agenda.

Maybe the Church should've done a better job at not pissing people off. People only want to destroy it because it went around throwing its weight everywhere and acting like it was invincible.

You all sound like you're mad because the Church made enemies... when you were specifically doing things to make enemies.

[Zakilevo]

Well everyone who enjoyed playing around with legos know that tearing something down is just as fun as building something up although it takes a lot less

[Vellos]

Maybe the Church should've done a better job at not pissing people off. People only want to destroy it because it went around throwing its weight everywhere and acting like it was invincible.

You all sound like you're mad because the Church made enemies... when you were specifically doing things to make enemies.

One damn crusade in one pisspot little backwater civil war.

The church has literally not done squat besides that in the years Hireshmont has been part of it.

[Zakilevo]

I think SA was awesome until we smashed Caerwyn. Ever since Caerwyn died, things began to slow down and now this...

[Chenier]

One damn crusade in one pisspot little backwater civil war.

The church has literally not done squat besides that in the years Hireshmont has been part of it.

That it's a pisspot little backwater civil war is probably precisely why it was so bad. Everything was wrong about that crusade. The "enemy" had astroists, no astroists were being persecuted, the territories weren't worth anything to the church, the realm defended wasn't viable on its own, it was ingerence from northern realms in maroccidental affairs, it was slapping a foreign type of governance into republican territories, it was forcing a whole bunch of people to do stuff they didn't want to do when they had a ton of more important things to do, etc...

If the war had at least been meaningful, then people would have been ready to make concessions. But it wasn't. Whether it was the case or not, it had all the appearances of being the direct result of a corrupt eldership abusing of their authority to declare crusades out of spite from certain individuals not fostering the interests of the Church in mind.

There wasn't really any way to oppose the previous crusades, for the targets were always going out of their way to assure their own destruction. But Phantaria did not. And between them, came Rabisu's firm refusal to call for a crusade against Aurvandil, despite all of the astroist realms pretty much lining up against them. You really could not follow the refusal of a crusade against a state that totally deserves it with the imposition of a crusade against a state that clearly doesn't.

Basically, Vellos assured SA the same fate as Terran. Rotating between soft and hard and soft and hard will just break the church. It needs consistency to keep everyone on the same page.

Because of your last crusade, you next one is likely to result in your humiliation. Niselur, Farronite Republic, Asylon, and Phantaria surround Astrum. Libero Empire and Luria Nova flank Morek.

The days of the theocracies are over. SA will have to learn to live through the republics and monarchies of the land. And indeed, it's likely going to lose a lot of the power that made it unique. But what can be done, you've already destroyed the authority that granted them this power.