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« Reply #4095: September 30, 2014, 01:34:26 PM »
Thats not true. CoB as a religion has never been hostile to SA, we have always allowed their temples to stand. SA has shut down our temples merely because of the association with Asylon. CoB came from SA, we recognize the effects of the Bloodstars on the sacred flowers of Bloodmoon. There was even members of SA in the past who partook in the eating of the sacred fruit. CoB is a wild offshoot from SA. Our intention from day one was tolerance. Things have changed obviously.

My original intention while in SA was to try and fuse elements of the idea of Bloodmoon into the church. Once I was excommunicated there wasn't much of a reason.

Unlike you Chenier I have ran a theocracy of the church. If they had very little use for a zealot like myself, you are then merely mud on a shoe.

Little of what you say matters. What is the official stance? In game mechanics?

Because reports are that it is "evil". Maybe you have all that history of being nice. Well, SA also has all that history of not persecuting CoB. That only changed when we got the report that you had changed your view to SA as "evil". And I'm pretty sure SA only reciprocated well after all of the West was lost.

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« Reply #4096: September 30, 2014, 05:42:57 PM »
We never declared SA as evil with ig mechanics. They declared us evil. We are still neutral.
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« Reply #4097: September 30, 2014, 05:56:35 PM »
We never declared SA as evil with ig mechanics. They declared us evil. We are still neutral.

Then maybe someone lied. As far as the elders were concerned, CoB set SA to "evil". Which, if true, is something best left alone on such OOC forums.

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« Reply #4098: September 30, 2014, 09:56:20 PM »
It doesnt really matter, SA has stated time and time again that they wish to rule all of Dwilight, militarily and religiously. Our job is to make sure that Dwilight remains a dynamic , chaotic plethora of civilizations , cultures and religions. We are the force of light beset by hegemonic darkness.
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« Reply #4099: October 01, 2014, 12:19:16 AM »
It doesnt really matter, SA has stated time and time again that they wish to rule all of Dwilight, militarily and religiously. Our job is to make sure that Dwilight remains a dynamic , chaotic plethora of civilizations , cultures and religions. We are the force of light beset by hegemonic darkness.

Nobody believes you. You keep saying you like the underdogs, and you keep siding with the true behemoths (Aurvandil, Luria).

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« Reply #4100: October 01, 2014, 06:17:55 AM »
Have you left them any choice in the matter?
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« Reply #4101: October 01, 2014, 02:31:18 PM »
Yes. They are responsible for their own choices. They were never forced into anything.
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« Reply #4102: October 01, 2014, 03:35:57 PM »
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« Reply #4103: October 01, 2014, 05:37:24 PM »
We are beset on all sides by every realm in Dwilight. This is as underdog as you get.

No, it isn't. Repeating it doesn't make it any more true.

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« Reply #4104: October 01, 2014, 05:52:27 PM »
Saying it doesn't, doesn't make it any less so. Care to explain how having every realm in Dwilight against you isn't as underdog as it gets?
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« Reply #4105: October 01, 2014, 06:01:18 PM »
Asylon has always been in that position because that's where they have chosen to be. You don't get to choose your spot and then bitch about how crappy it is.
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« Reply #4106: October 01, 2014, 06:07:31 PM »
Ding! A constructive post. We could even expound upon it.

Asylon screwed itself pretty hard in the war against Kabrinskia by being overzealous in its prosecution. It had allies, but then completely alienated itself, and took very few steps towards rekindling alliances with anyone other than realms that were pretty much universally hated (barring Niselur)
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« Reply #4107: October 01, 2014, 06:56:13 PM »
Having said that, I'm not bitching about the path that Asylon has taken. They've had a wild ride, and I bet that the players in it had a hell of a lot of fun along the way. My issue is with the characterization of Asylon as the persecuted victim. That's a load of propaganda crap.

Asylon had a long history of involving themselves in everyone else's business, because they just couldn't handle the fact that no one wanted to play with them. Other than Kabrinskia, pretty much everyone's policy toward Asylon was "go away and leave us alone".
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« Reply #4108: October 01, 2014, 08:29:29 PM »
moderator note: I'm nuking this one. It's a response to a 6 month old post that is destined to restart a flame war. What prompted you to respond to this now is beyond me. Just let it go.  -Indirik
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« Reply #4109: October 02, 2014, 02:16:22 AM »
Persecuted? We have never been or feel persecuted. We are victorious and if it wasnt for the monster invasion they'd be speaking Asylonian from Astrum to the shores of D'Hara.

Asylon always had a policy of limited alliances, few allies and a philosophy of total eternal war. Joining Luria insured us that. Joining any other realm would have insured boredom.
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