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Re: Sanguis Astroism
« Reply #3015: June 22, 2013, 01:33:47 AM »
Meh. We'll see. I maintain that Dwilight will be much blander once SA is reduced to a weak background flavor. Religion is pretty lame in most of BM; Dwilight is practically the only place it matters on a regular basis.
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« Reply #3016: June 22, 2013, 01:37:23 AM »
Well then fight for your religion you little ninny  :-* :-* :-* :-*
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« Reply #3017: June 22, 2013, 01:44:16 AM »
Meh. We'll see. I maintain that Dwilight will be much blander once SA is reduced to a weak background flavor. Religion is pretty lame in most of BM; Dwilight is practically the only place it matters on a regular basis.

Who's to say SA will become weak background flavor? Even assuming that you lose the war, the worst that would happen would be SA being reduced in size. The Theocracies of Morek, Astrum, and Corsantum would probably still exist and have strong feelings/opinons. When you're pushed into a corner, sometimes things get more exciting.
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Re: Sanguis Astroism
« Reply #3018: June 22, 2013, 01:47:06 AM »
Meh. We'll see. I maintain that Dwilight will be much blander once SA is reduced to a weak background flavor. Religion is pretty lame in most of BM; Dwilight is practically the only place it matters on a regular basis.

I very much agree that should SA be reduced to a flavor religion in the coming war, Dwilight will be much more boring and BM will have lost one of its only religions that actually did anything. However at the same time characters interacting with SA by wanting to destroy it are not necessarily a bad thing either from an OOC perspective.

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Re: Sanguis Astroism
« Reply #3019: June 22, 2013, 01:52:17 AM »
Meh. We'll see. I maintain that Dwilight will be much blander once SA is reduced to a weak background flavor. Religion is pretty lame in most of BM; Dwilight is practically the only place it matters on a regular basis.
I argue that you are already there, by backing off.  What happened to the church of old....
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« Reply #3020: June 22, 2013, 02:09:18 AM »
I argue that you are already there, by backing off.  What happened to the church of old....

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« Reply #3021: June 22, 2013, 02:24:24 AM »
He is a southern republican! Burn him! He isn't a northerner!
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I hoped for a vigerous debate, but the church just backed off.
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« Reply #3022: June 22, 2013, 02:36:13 AM »
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I hoped for a vigerous debate, but the church just backed off.
Because Vellos sees cowardice as a good idea even though he just made SA basically a powerless religion. This war is needed otherwise SA is just a powerless religion because if they back off from this, then SA can't ever control anything any more if they won't go to war over it and the block against them isn't going to get smaller.
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« Reply #3023: June 22, 2013, 02:37:46 AM »
The original intention of the theocracies was that they would at times war eachother, absorb, break apart and repeat. What instead has happened is stagnation and locked alliances that are killing what you love so much. Just because the theocracies fight doesnt mean SA dies. At the rate you are goong with noble attrition both your realms and religion will kill themselves off without any of us having to do a thing.  ;D
Thats the dumbest thing I have heard in awhile. The theocracies are weakening but they are far from falling apart due to loss of nobles and SA as a religion has more nobles than ever afaik.
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« Reply #3024: June 22, 2013, 02:39:18 AM »
SA becoming powerless might not be a bad thing actually. It opens up more room for other religions. SA was probably the most unique religion ever created in BM but that doesn't mean there aren't anything going to be like that in the future.

I think SA played its role and did well. Time for it to fade away and something else to revitalize Dwilight.  ;)

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« Reply #3025: June 22, 2013, 02:42:13 AM »
I argue that you are already there, by backing off.  What happened to the church of old....

What happened to the church of old is that lots of players on Dwilight decided it was more fun to tear things down than build them up.

SA became powerful because lots of players decided to play characters who were devoted to the church or at least cared about it and respected its spiritual authority; i.e. somewhat more typically medieval-ish characters. SA is weaker now because more players are choosing to behave like a less common kind of medieval noble (not non-existent, mind you: just less typical).

The Catholic Church didn't become strong by picking losing battles, and neither will SA.
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« Reply #3026: June 22, 2013, 02:45:04 AM »
SA becoming powerless might not be a bad thing actually. It opens up more room for other religions. SA was probably the most unique religion ever created in BM but that doesn't mean there aren't anything going to be like that in the future.

I think SA played its role and did well. Time for it to fade away and something else to revitalize Dwilight.  ;)
There are five other continents with room for a religion like SA yet I don't see anything close to SA. And by like SA, I mean a religion that actually matters. In Dwilight SA is something I hear mentioned during decision making frequently, because it matters. No where else does religion really matter like it does in Dwilight and SA dying off isn't going to make it happen for another religion.
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Re: Sanguis Astroism
« Reply #3027: June 22, 2013, 02:45:50 AM »
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SANGUIST INQUISITION!

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« Reply #3028: June 22, 2013, 02:48:36 AM »
What happened to the church of old is that lots of players on Dwilight decided it was more fun to tear things down than build them up.

SA became powerful because lots of players decided to play characters who were devoted to the church or at least cared about it and respected its spiritual authority; i.e. somewhat more typically medieval-ish characters. SA is weaker now because more players are choosing to behave like a less common kind of medieval noble (not non-existent, mind you: just less typical).

The Catholic Church didn't become strong by picking losing battles, and neither will SA.
Tell me once where the catholic church was seriously offended by another nation and just backed off. If you stop enforcing things even if there is a bit of a struggle, then there is no longer power held by SA, especially when that block will sit there against you ready to act when ever you displease them.
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Re: Sanguis Astroism
« Reply #3029: June 22, 2013, 02:50:52 AM »
There are five other continents with room for a religion like SA yet I don't see anything close to SA. And by like SA, I mean a religion that actually matters. In Dwilight SA is something I hear mentioned during decision making frequently, because it matters. No where else does religion really matter like it does in Dwilight and SA dying off isn't going to make it happen for another religion.

That's not, IMO, because of anything inherent to SA. That's because it was able to develop a significant powerbase without competition due to its status as the religion of the only Dwilight starting realm to be able to spawn multiple colonies in close enough proximity to become a bloc.

Though it's also partly because many of its early members really did care about it as a religion, and not simply as another form of power—in other words, because they were interested in the RP of it.
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