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Re: Sanguis Astroism
« Reply #3165: July 05, 2013, 07:29:49 AM »
Goes to show, doesn't it?

Creating a theocracy in Terran was the first mistake. Putting a Kabrinski in power was the fatal mistake.

When they put the son of the last woman who tried to conquer Phantaria in power Kale just knew there was no sincere intent on a lasting peace.

Lo and behold like 5 days after he was elected the Kabrinski boy tried to wiggle his way out of the peace treaty and declared that he would not recognize it.
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« Reply #3166: July 05, 2013, 09:16:37 AM »
If it weren't for the priest protection, Jonsu wouldn't even be in SA: let alone a Luminary. She has too many enemies and too few allies, and is a liability to everyone around her.

Amongst your circle perhaps. It was Jonsu who brokered the LN-Niselur alliance you know.
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« Reply #3167: July 05, 2013, 10:30:01 PM »
Amongst your circle perhaps. It was Jonsu who brokered the LN-Niselur alliance you know.

Hah. Hahahaha.
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« Reply #3168: July 06, 2013, 12:56:37 AM »
When they put the son of the last woman who tried to conquer Phantaria in power Kale just knew there was no sincere intent on a lasting peace.

Lo and behold like 5 days after he was elected the Kabrinski boy tried to wiggle his way out of the peace treaty and declared that he would not recognize it.

Putting a Kabrinski in power was a nice big "FU 'moot! Not only we put a theocracy in republican lands, but we also put the guy who kept trying to destroy you in power! Have fun!" Phantaria was hardly the only one aggravated.

On the other hand, it's almost as if the church wanted to give us a legitimate excuse to pummel down Terran and put that whole drama behind us all.
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« Reply #3169: July 06, 2013, 01:03:01 AM »
Putting a Kabrinski in power was a nice big "FU 'moot! Not only we put a theocracy in republican lands, but we also put the guy who kept trying to destroy you in power! Have fun!" Phantaria was hardly the only one aggravated.

It was kind of an accident.

Turin was plan A for ruler, but that kinda fell through.
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« Reply #3170: July 06, 2013, 01:04:35 AM »
It was kind of an accident.

Turin was plan A for ruler, but that kinda fell through.

"Accident"? Letting such a thing happen is no accident. The elders should have been doing everything in their power to make sure this could never happen. If you didn't plan for this to happen, you still didn't make sure to prevent it...

I'm happier this way, though. :)
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« Reply #3171: July 06, 2013, 01:06:41 AM »
"Accident"? Letting such a thing happen is no accident. The elders should have been doing everything in their power to make sure this could never happen. If you didn't plan for this to happen, you still didn't make sure to prevent it...

Why?

Terran isn't dying because of Alaster. It's dying because geopolitics elsewhere made it indefensible. It wouldn't have mattered who ruled it.
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« Reply #3172: July 06, 2013, 01:07:58 AM »
Why?

Terran isn't dying because of Alaster. It's dying because geopolitics elsewhere made it indefensible. It wouldn't have mattered who ruled it.

Certain regional powers might have been more inclined to defend it had it a friendlier face in power. Now, instead, everyone's just eager to see it destroyed.
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« Reply #3173: July 06, 2013, 01:11:16 AM »
Certain regional powers might have been more inclined to defend it had it a friendlier face in power. Now, instead, everyone's just eager to see it destroyed.

I doubt that. There wasn't anybody who could have saved Terran from the alliance now assembled.
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« Reply #3174: July 06, 2013, 01:12:32 AM »
I doubt that. There wasn't anybody who could have saved Terran from the alliance now assembled.

Attacking garrisoned walls is costly. Allies behind the walls could have dissuaded a siege and prompted the alliance to strike softer Astrum lands instead.

Maybe.

Might not have happened, though, but Alaster made sure it never could.
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« Reply #3175: July 06, 2013, 01:48:15 AM »
Terran isn't dying because of Alaster.

You are really underestimating just how much Paul loathes Alaster. I think we would've gone north to party in Eidulb if you'd left literally anyone else in power.
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« Reply #3176: July 06, 2013, 02:47:01 AM »
Of course, but the refusal to call a crusade that so many people wanted, followed by a crusade called by his successor that nobody wanted, helped broaden the rift that now tears in SA.

That something like this would happen if Rabisu stepped down was one reason he stayed on as long as he did. Everyone wanted a Crusade. Not just one Crusade either. Pretty much any political conflict involving members of the Church had a vocal faction lobbying for Crusade. It's not surprising that one of them succeeded, especially since Jonsu was elbowed out of being the next Light.

How'd that happen anyway? Rabisu groomed her for the position. It would have been like an angrier, female Rabisu.
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Re: Sanguis Astroism
« Reply #3177: July 06, 2013, 02:53:56 AM »
You are really underestimating just how much Paul loathes Alaster. I think we would've gone north to party in Eidulb if you'd left literally anyone else in power.
Alaster was the inital reason given for withdrawing from the Theocracies.  We used his appointment to help pitch the idea of becoming a monarchy.

There were other reasons of course, but making Alaster ruler of Terran was the straw that broke the camel's back.  Then there was his indivual threats against Niselurain nobles from Alaster.
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« Reply #3178: July 06, 2013, 03:02:47 AM »
Rabisu not stepping down soon enough denied Jonsu as Light. Rabisu stepped down very soon after the Charter was enacted, which changed Light selection to be done by the fellow Lights, rather than automatically being the Luminary. My character interpreted that as rather intentional on Rabisu's part.

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« Reply #3179: July 06, 2013, 03:45:25 AM »
Rabisu not stepping down soon enough denied Jonsu as Light. Rabisu stepped down very soon after the Charter was enacted, which changed Light selection to be done by the fellow Lights, rather than automatically being the Luminary. My character interpreted that as rather intentional on Rabisu's part.

Unintentional and coincidental, as it turns out. Rabisu was really out of the loop at the time because he was wandering the desert... which is also to say that I was out of the loop of reading much in BM because I had spotty internet access by then. 
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