Sanguis Astroism

[Indirik]

Are you getting an idea of why these trials never go as smoothly as you expect them to go?

[Glaumring the Fox]

Apathy?

[Indirik]

Oh no. Anything but that. Thinking the problem is apathy reveals a very deep misunderstanding of how SA works.

[Daycryn]

The real problem is Mathurin. He just never shuts up, that one. You can't get any discussion done because he's always going on about his cats. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT NIBBLES ANYMORE, PROPHET. YES SHE'S A CUTE KITTY. WE GET IT.

[Glaumring the Fox]

Oh no. Anything but that. Thinking the problem is apathy reveals a very deep misunderstanding of how SA works.

Whoa thats deep man... 

[Anaris]

At least he's not crawling around and WANNA WANNA WANNA BIKKIT!

[vonGenf]

Brance wasn't an elder when the Charter was written. I think that was Pierre's administration.

Wasn't it started before? It's been in the works for a long time.

In any case, Pierre hates the charter. He'd scrap it entirely (except for the Creed, which he wrote).

[Indirik]

Brance despises the creed.

[vonGenf]

Brance despises the creed.

 

[Indirik]

To me, the creed is written in a very modern way, like you're trying to explain your theology to someone who follows a different religion. "We believe the Bloodstars influence us." It sounds like you're not sure. The creed of the church should be a strong affirmation of self-evident truths. Things that everyone knows are true. The words "we believe" should be erased from the entire thing. There were other objections I had to it back when it was written, but I can't remember them at the moment.

Anyway, Brance doesn't really believe in the creed, and doesn't pay any attention to it at all. He's confident in his faith, and doesn't need some list of things he's supposed to believe. Those things are for people that don't really understand the Stars.

[vonGenf]

To me, the creed is written in a very modern way, like you're trying to explain your theology to someone who follows a different religion. "We believe the Bloodstars influence us." It sounds like you're not sure. The creed of the church should be a strong affirmation of self-evident truths. Things that everyone knows are true. The words "we believe" should be erased from the entire thing. There were other objections I had to it back when it was written, but I can't remember them at the moment.

I guess I did not see that way when I wrote it, but that's a fair criticism. I'm not sure how to make it sound less modern though.

For the format, I based myself on the Nicene Creed, which is a 4th century document, but all the translations are modern. Maybe someone know enough greek to comment on the style of the original?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_versions_of_the_Nicene_Creed_in_current_use

Anyway, Brance doesn't really believe in the creed, and doesn't pay any attention to it at all. He's confident in his faith, and doesn't need some list of things he's supposed to believe. Those things are for people that don't really understand the Stars.

Mostly the Creed is for new people. If you join SA today, it's a good summary. Many people never read the sermons.

[Glaumring the Fox]

Many in SA are in it for the power the religion bit is a nice addition tooas a side game.

[Indirik]

Which pretty much makes it the same as any other religion.

Any *succesful* religion, that is.

[Penchant]

Which pretty much makes it the same as any other religion.

Any *succesful* religion, that is.

+1, if they have that much power, they are doing it right.

[Vellos]

To me, the creed is written in a very modern way, like you're trying to explain your theology to someone who follows a different religion. "We believe the Bloodstars influence us." It sounds like you're not sure. The creed of the church should be a strong affirmation of self-evident truths. Things that everyone knows are true. The words "we believe" should be erased from the entire thing. There were other objections I had to it back when it was written, but I can't remember them at the moment.

Anyway, Brance doesn't really believe in the creed, and doesn't pay any attention to it at all. He's confident in his faith, and doesn't need some list of things he's supposed to believe. Those things are for people that don't really understand the Stars.

"We believe" is not for explaining to other people, but as a confession of joining a faith– self-identification. As noted, it stems, in liturgical usage, from the Christian creedal tradition, and then takes another use in the shahadah of Islam.