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Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Topic Start: October 13, 2011, 03:37:02 PM »
The method by which the game picks what knights are available to be appointed as lords is a bit weird. It doesn't seem to make any sense at all. Turin, Duke of Gaston Duchy on Dwilight is trying to appoint a lord for Asurbanipal, which was just recently TO'd and added to his duchy. The only choices he gets to appoint as lord are two nobles that don't appear to be in his duchy. Turin's comment from an IG message:

Quote from: Turin
I'm really curious how the system picked these two people (Rey and Terivus) for possible region lords. They're not part of the duchy, they're not in the army and they weren't there for the takeover. It's like it was designed to be the absolute reverse of the old system where the only people who can claim the region are those that have absolutely nothing to do with it.

The following nobles are in the Gaston duchy, and are not region lords:
Reyne, Mordaunt, Varchilde, Tratumal, Syaoran, Alaron, Lazarus

Rey and Terivus don't even show up on the realm hierarchy chart (hierarchy.php). Rey is aligned to Forguthrie, which is part of the Gaston duchy, but does not have an estate. But Terivus is "imperial".
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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #1: October 13, 2011, 04:57:29 PM »
The new system doesn't seem to update rank and allegiance in a number of places.

For example, if I write to "all of my knights", one of the nobles having an estate in my region isn't contacted, and he doesn't have the rank of knight either.

Possibly related, or not, is with the armies, since assignments works per the new system in funny ways. We had a marshal of an army that was also still SiC of the other.
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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #2: October 13, 2011, 06:12:56 PM »
The system isn't actually all that difficult. I think the part that confuses people is that candidates may not already be knights in some other region. Since being announced a lord would mean they can no longer be a knight of their old region, they may not even want to.

I'll add the precise conditions on the in-game page. They shouldn't be secret. Look for it in the next update.



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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #3: October 13, 2011, 06:15:31 PM »
Actually, I can't find a good place to put it. Maybe someone can add it to the in-game help page or something? the conditions are:

  • must be a noble of the realm and not paused, dead or in prison
  • is not already a region lord, duke or government member
  • does not already have an estate in a different region (estate in the same region is fine)
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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #4: October 13, 2011, 06:30:33 PM »
Wait... government members can't become region lords? Or can they only be lords if they are also dukes, and appoint themselves as lord of one of their own regions?
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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #5: October 13, 2011, 06:58:21 PM »
they can appoint themselves, but nobody else can appoint them.

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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #6: October 13, 2011, 07:14:28 PM »
So, they have to be dukes, then, to hold a lordship?

If a knight or non-duke lord is selected/elected as a government member, will they lose their estate/lordship?
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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #7: October 13, 2011, 07:56:04 PM »
Wow. That sounds .. wrong.

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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #8: October 13, 2011, 09:30:58 PM »
Government member might refer to the "Ruler"?  Since we already know the Ruler can't be a Lord.

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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #9: October 13, 2011, 09:37:07 PM »
Since we already know the Ruler can't be a Lord.
This is incorrect. The ruler can be a lord if he is also a duke. He can then appoint himself as a lord of a region in his duchy.

The ruler just can't be a lord of a region in which he is not also the duke.
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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #10: October 13, 2011, 10:48:22 PM »
Government member might refer to the "Ruler"?

In that case I'm fine with it :)

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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #11: October 14, 2011, 05:29:19 PM »
This is incorrect. The ruler can be a lord if he is also a duke. He can then appoint himself as a lord of a region in his duchy.

The ruler just can't be a lord of a region in which he is not also the duke.

Except that he can't create new duchies for himself, and therefore must wait for a duke to abdicate to take his spot. A rare occurrence, and usually unforgivable in most realms.

Also, peasants just kicked out a lord because of a big horde that had bothered them for a few days. I can't appoint him back.

We also got a noble of Melhed who just joined a few days ago, but has apprently been in the realm for 60 days or so according to the character list.
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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #12: October 14, 2011, 05:44:17 PM »
i reckon a ruler should be able to create a duchy from lordless towns/cities/stronghold...
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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #13: October 14, 2011, 05:45:54 PM »
i reckon a ruler should be able to create a duchy from lordless towns/cities/stronghold...

As do I.
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Re: Problem assigning Lords under New Estates
« Reply #14: October 15, 2011, 12:51:20 AM »
i reckon a ruler should be able to create a duchy from lordless towns/cities/stronghold...

Why?
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