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Zuma/Daimons
Vellos:
I will note that most people who like the Zuma thus far aren't playing in realms that actually have to deal with the Zuma, except only very sporadically, or through proxies. For those who actually have to deal with them, it's another story.
--- Quote from: Artemesia on January 07, 2012, 02:14:34 PM ---I voted I don't know anything about them lololol.
For anyone skeptical, the fact that I (well, Garret) exist should be an indication that it's possible to have a rewarding interaction(s) with the Zuma. I'm not a GM, I'm not part of the Development Team, I'm not in Tom's circle of friends. I'm pretty much some random dude who showed up and did stuff and stuff happened.
A lot of people, I think, happen to have their own little fantasies about how Dwilight should be. Nothing wrong with that, since ambitious humans tend to do that. I'm sure if we polled everyone who is or wants to be ruler on Dwilight you'll see just as many different responses of what their Dwilight would look like.
But people tend to forget to account for the Zuma in their fantasies. That's normal. We tend to filter out inconveniences. But that's also not what a capable ambitious human does. Those people can plan contingencies in case something doesn't work out, and they know how to deal with uncertainty. Obviously you want to do as few things blind as possible, but sometimes you have no choice and you must roll the dice. The more capable ambitious people have been the ones who planned well enough that the dice roll did not change much in the ultimate course of their plot.
Are you guys doing it? Gathering from the responses, those who are actually expressing their opinions on an uncertainty are not very capable people in terms of being ambitious characters. I reckon those who keep to themselves regarding the Zuma are going to be the ones who come out on top in the end.
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You call it a fantasy, I call it trying to have an RPed plot. And, yes, I have accounted for the Zuma in things Hireshmont does. But the Zuma act without reference to anyone else's RP.
songqu88@gmail.com:
When a bunch of ants do their stuff, and have amazing Nobel Prize winning roleplay literature, do you as a human give a crap when you decide you feel like having a chuckle and flooding their anthill?
Anaris:
--- Quote from: Vellos on January 07, 2012, 06:29:07 PM ---I will note that most people who like the Zuma thus far aren't playing in realms that actually have to deal with the Zuma, except only very sporadically, or through proxies. For those who actually have to deal with them, it's another story.
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If I didn't have some strong reasons to be on the other side of the continent, I'd be happy to play near the Zuma. Seems like the second-most-interesting part of Dwilight to me. (The first, of course, is Luria, but then I'm biased ;) )
--- Quote ---You call it a fantasy, I call it trying to have an RPed plot. And, yes, I have accounted for the Zuma in things Hireshmont does. But the Zuma act without reference to anyone else's RP.
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Um...so do other people.
I mean, seriously? You come in here, proclaim that you know all about what the Zuma are doing (and you hate it), and you're accusing them of acting without reference to your RP?
What unmitigated arrogance.
Did you ever stop to consider, Lyman, that maybe you're the one who's not acting with reference to their RP? They were there first, after all.
You have had so many opportunities to go to the Zuma and learn more about them firsthand, but no: you've got them pegged, and you know exactly what they're all about, and you don't want any part of it.
Heaven forbid you should actually consider what other people—regular players or GMs—have as their RP rather than deciding it for them.
(And to be honest, I'm really very surprised about this, because in general, you've always seemed to be pretty reasonable about that sort of thing. You never bitched OOC on the rare occasions when Delvin managed to spoil Hireshmont's plans. Is it really so hard to just think of them as another player—just one with different resources at their disposal?)
Zuma GM:
--- Quote from: Vellos on January 07, 2012, 06:29:07 PM ---But the Zuma act without reference to anyone else's RP.
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Please stop stating this as fact. It is wrong. It is a lie.
Everything the Zuma do is in relation to interactions they have had with players.
Vellos:
--- Quote from: Zuma GM on January 07, 2012, 06:57:12 PM ---Please stop stating this as fact. It is wrong. It is a lie.
Everything the Zuma do is in relation to interactions they have had with players.
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A very few, isolated players, without much influence with anyone anywhere.
Haktoo went to war, from all appearances, over one region being taken that nobody knew the Zuma claimed when identical things had been done in the past without Zuma responses, then opened up a second war because of a message from a commoner who nobody had heard of before the incident.
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