Author Topic: Inalienable Rights Violation  (Read 27467 times)

Bedwyr

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Re: Inalienable Rights Violation
« Reply #60: January 22, 2012, 08:07:06 AM »
To me, he's instead complaining that he was compelled to respond because of the deadline, which is stupid.  That's a fancier way of saying "I am not in control of my own actions".  People can play BM at whatever pace they wish.  Brom was going to die, whether the ultimatum was one day or thirty.  Less than an hour after the ultimatum was given, he refused to comply. 

I believe his objection in this case wasn't personal, so much as "hm, this struck me wrong".
I've said it before, I will say it again:

Deadlines are fine by me.

Allowing other people to play at their pace does not mean that time isn't a factor. Obviously, it is. Turns still run, things still happen. Allowing people to play at their pace when it comes to time-sensitive things means two things:
  • if you need to work with deadlines, schedules, etc. - make them reasonable and do not use points in time, but timespans - "meet me in X in two hours" is a stupid way, you force the other player to be online at a specific time, one that may be in the middle of the night in their real-world location. But "I'll be in X after sunset, meet me there" is perfectly ok. You're simply stating a fact. Now if you have pressing matters, you can add "I will wait at most a day" - that is perfectly ok. The IR applies to you, too. The other player can not force you to play at his speed, either. If you want to move on with the action, you can. You totally can. If that means the other guy misses out on becoming a region lord, getting a unique item or whatever - that is not an IR violation! The IRs do not entitle you to anything.
  • be ready to reverse your actions - this goes especially for punishments. If you punish someone for not being in X at a given time and it later turns out that he simply didn't log in - undo the punishment. OOC causes should not lead to IC punishment.
But, in all reality, when someone is writing more than two sentences on why something is or isn't an IR violation, he is most likely trying to lawyer you and is just as likely wrong. All the real IR violations I have encountered in over 10 years were very obvious on first glance and could be explained in one sentence.

This has always been my understanding.  So long as this is made clear to the players and Titans, I think that pretty neatly lays the issue to rest.  Fines for not marching with the army and missing a key battle?  Acceptable, unless the player comes back and says "hey, I didn't log on", in which case you reverse it.  Etc and so on.
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