Oh Hergo, Hergo, Hergo. Where to start?
“4 New Knights” and “9 Nobles Returned” from pausing in the past month or so. That’s Westmoor on a +13 from new or dead accounts right when they decide to go to War. Sure, Fontan has gone up too but not in the same way from what I can tell. You don’t magic that many old players back into the game through some sort of war-declaration telepathy.
...you mean the several people who frequent these forums (reading at the very least) and saw that war was breaking out so returned to activity because they were bored? The player of the York family was even considering leaving the CONTINENT due to boredom before Fontan executed his adventurer that was close to knighthood.
EC is also one of the main starter continents. We've always been known for getting the occasional new family for that very reason. If you remember (which I doubt because it doesn't fill your deluded point), it is also common for new players to join, never respond to messages, then go inactive because it's confusing.
Also, you may notice several things.
1. The character Vanimus is a character of the Iltaran family (Maedros's). He donates when he can, being a law student and all. You'll also notice that Vanimus has a long history of going inactive and active (depending on donations).
2. I see Dantag also goes inactive and active at least twice in your little list there. Perhaps another in the same situation, donating a euro here and there?
3. Genivae/Eliza, though not from donation, also have gone inactive and active several times since she joined. Perhaps it is a little thing called... Life?
Westmoor has practically been tailored to fit with the oligarchy who runs it.
Oligarchy? I don't think you know what the term means. Ask the players of the Lionheart family, the Turner family, and the Iltaran family just how well I deal with responding to people trying to give me orders after a period of time. I naturally tend to rise to leadership positions in many games, so it's become somewhat ingrained. The things it's done to my blood pressure... (seriously, 27 and on blood pressure meds. Bleh.)
Or is having advisors equal to an oligarchy in your mind? I always viewed that closer to monarchy.
I have tried to address the issue IC and as have other players but its come to nothing.
You and Lazslo, yes. Both of course have/had characters in those Saxon realms. Neither of whom are well liked by a large number of people in the realm. The general rule of thumb is that if either of your characters dislike an idea, it MUST be a good idea.
You’ve got an army which seems to move within minutes of each other on even Westmoor’s own scout reports and orders deliberately exclusive to those “active” players. The marshals don’t seem to send orders to their armies but to select few players. I asked for orders when I realised I was being excluded and got nothing. Comes with not toeing the line I suppose.
You mean... Around turn changes? Yes. That tends to be pretty standard in BM.
I have frequently seen scout reports sent to the -entire- realm.
Now, once we realized we had Saxon spies in Westmoor (two of whom are now gone/defected finally once they realized they weren't getting info to send), we removed them and those who were not following orders from the armies or, in certain cases, sent out orders purposely excluding them. Why would we give the Saxons free information?
Simply put, you were excluded because the Military Council did not trust you.
Couple that with a ruling government and council of lords mostly comprised of players from Old Grehk with similar positions shared between them and then and then alone do you see a clan.
See the bits of rising to leadership. Also note, one of my characters had been banned from OG by Maedros's OG character. If you had ANY idea how things go in Old Grehk, you wouldn't make such ludicrous claims. I mean, Tom's more than welcome to look at chat logs there. I'm pretty sure he'll say many of our characters hate each other. Vehemently.
Also, "coming from Old Grehk"? You realize that the characters you're talking about started in... Westmoor? I mean, if you're going to make a clanning comparison, at least make one that has some logic behind it. Flawed logic, but logic.
Westmoor! Home of clans whose characters hate each other! Wait... That invalidates the points behind clans...
I’ve pretty much been forced from Westmoor because of it.
No, you were ignored in Westmoor because no one trusted you. You never had anything positive to say or contribute. When all you do is attack others, you're going to be pushed to the sidelines. That's the way of the world In Character and Out.
Its amazing that a Ruler can get kicked out of the rulership and since then half a dozen accounts that appeared after that time become ridiculously vocally supportive and then cohesively vehement against opposition to them, then when the new ruler, also in Old Grehk, resigns the ousted Ruler makes a landslide comeback and then assigns titles to all those characters, including that Ruler which stepped down ; he gets made Duke of the capital. Westmoor is hollowed out into a clique and it shows.
It is amazing that a half dozen accounts appear over the course of a year? ...really? Are you serious?
You also fail to grasp, my character greets all new nobles/players and offers help and guidance, both as Knight/Count/King (depending on the timeframe) and as a priest of the Church of Humanity. So yes, they defend my character. They also oppose those who spout nothing but hate and stupidity. Like your character frequently did. They defend people they start to view as a friend.
You leave out key points. Flaylen, one of the key members of the opposition and Jor's replacement as King, was a HORRIBLE ruler. He got us into wars with Caligus (after I made a peace happen that everyone viewed as impossible prior) and Fontan (who broke the alliance with Westmoor because Gregor was trying to sell Krimml back to them). Then there was Maedros. Maedros was not as horrible a ruler as many like to think, but he had the unfortunate luck to follow Flaylen after Flaylen was protested off the throne.
Through Maedros's rule, the road to peace with many of our neighbors that Flaylen shattered prior was rebuilt. He just had bouts with inactivity and was known for going quiet.
Why did Jor replace him? Westmoor was at war. It had peace with no one, excluding an alliance with the crumbling Sultanate. He was the one who brought peace with Perdan under the reign of Maedros. He was willing to say no to unreasonable Fontanese demands. He had a history of being a peacemaker and many believed could get the support of foreign leaders.
I assigned titles to "all those characters"? Like whom? The most I can remember doing is naming Edward Anthony to Marshal of the Royal Guard (was he one of my supporters?), Maedros to Duke of Westmoor (A leading temporal member of the Church, a friend and supporter, and a Royal), and I suggested Rhakanvar as Count of Hagley (whose previous character was violently opposed to Jor's last reign, even being the lone rebel then, holding the throne for about five seconds before Flaylen threw him off. But the character IS a member of the Church and HAS been better behaved than his kinsman. Jor is always willing to forgive bloodlines).
Though keep in mind, Jor would be insane NOT to reward his supporters with titles, lands, etc. It also makes perfect IC sense. I mean, why would Jor (a priest of the Church of Humanity) reappoint Gregor (a follower of the Church of Ibladesh) not only while Caligus and Perdan are actively hunting out Ibby holdouts, but when Gregor is a person known for promising his support to people while plotting behind their back? He promised Jor support the first time (didn't he join in on the protests not long after that?). He promised Maedros support, but remained silent. Can only imagine what he told Micna, the Usurper, et al.
I'm sorry you feel it seems to be a clique, but that was due to your own attitudes. You made even those reluctant supporters of Jor cheer your departure. Your character's blantant greed that required the bulk of the army to fix the region not once but TWICE made the military leadership.
Now the ruler himself is saying other realms are clans on an OOC level? Yeah right. Takes one to know one.
Yeah... Because when we have characters who hate each other, actively at each others' throats, we're a GREAT clan!
For your list, see above.
Also, all those new nobles moved straight to the front regions where Fontan was.
Imperial Knights? Yep. Many know the drill to request funds when they become active (who doesn't?) and as I can access BM on my phone, whenever I see someone popping back up I assign them to the Column right away. Pretty much whenever I'm not asleep, in the shower, or eating, I refresh BM now and then. I like to be able to write things down on paper when I have ideas, so it helps.
So essentially, because our Dukes are on the ball handing out gold and people have some sense... This is a bad thing?
Then again, if they were recruiting troops and marching straight for Fontan's forces, I would question if they turned out to be Saxon plants because that's suicidal...
* Draco Tanos scratches his head.
If you smell !@#$, check your own shoes first. I know I did and that’s why I left. Westmoor has dug its own grave. They expected to steamroller Fontan, made up a reason to go to war on shaky grounds and now don’t like it that they’ve screwed up so they’ll try anything.
No, you left because you weren't liked. You weren't trusted. You were kept out of the loop. The military council, when discussing Fontan before the war re-ignited, FLIPPED when they saw what you were doing to Hagley AGAIN. You quickly lost any support Corwin was giving you at that point.
Nor did we expect to "steamroller" Fontan. On the contrary, we viewed it as to be an even fight. Unfortunately, due to their clique (you know, what you accuse us of but oh so willingly go to join... When you have characters that are part of their clique already... Huh...), that is not the case. Again, I'm not a fan of veteran players talking about abandoning not only the realm but the CONTINENT because of the presence of the Saxons.
I like how seeing Fontan building up is "on shakey ground" btw. It was obvious what the Saxons intended.
Oh, and before anyone calls the Saxon cliché again ; Yes I was in Thulsoma, and Averoth, and Caerwyn, but it was original Thulsoma and I was there waay before any Saxons turned up and left long before too.
So you joined them in Averoth or Caerwyn?
Seriously though, if you're going to lie and help your clan, do something a little better than this.
