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Clan in Fontan and Aurvandil

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Velax:
My thoughts on clans were well established in one of those threads linked earlier. I would like to challenge, however, all these players coming out of the woodwork to say how awesome Fontan and Aurvandil are, how there's no clan, how people are only complaining because they're losing, blah, blah, predictable blah, to link to their family pages in their profile. So we can get an idea of just how "objective" some of this support is.

Ketchum:

--- Quote from: Velax on April 09, 2012, 03:20:15 PM ---My thoughts on clans were well established in one of those threads linked earlier. I would like to challenge, however, all these players coming out of the woodwork to say how awesome Fontan and Aurvandil are, how there's no clan, how people are only complaining because they're losing, blah, blah, predictable blah, to link to their family pages in their profile. So we can get an idea of just how "objective" some of this support is.

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As you can see, I am no Aurvandil, or those clannie you accuse me of.

I have shown mine 8)

http://www.battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=27742

Kellaine:

--- Quote from: Ketchum on April 09, 2012, 03:29:31 PM ---As you can see, I am no Aurvandil, or those clannie you accuse me of.

I have shown mine 8)

http://www.battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=27742

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I have to agree with you. You are not a clanner.  But what about the 16 characters/11 players that are.

Vellos:
I would like to note that the Magistrates are more-or-less bound to treat any claims that the economy of Aurvandil is naturally managed as false, given that Tom stated the results of a Dev investigation that effectively precluded purely IC management of the economy. That issue shouldn't be debated at all. To quote: "This makes no sense unless one assumes that the entire system is managed through out-of-game communication." QED.

Another interesting Dev investigation would be: is there chatter between nobles in EC's south before they migrate to Fontan? Do they ICly coordinate the move, or does it just "happen"?

The real debate, however, is not about whether clanning is occurring. The dev investigation seems pretty conclusive: it is. The question is whether that clanning is destructive to the game environment. Continued attempts by players who are accused of being in the clan to vehemently argue that there is no clan are not going to help your case very much. Tell us why what you've been found to be doing isn't a bad thing. For myself at least, I would listen. I have no strong incentive to support or oppose either Aurvandil or Fontan.

Kellaine:
So then what you are looking for is examples of how it is effecting the game as a whole.  more specifically how it is effecting Fontan and its politics and game play?

Let me use the election of Greatbridge as an example:

The two that ran for the position were myself (Sasha) and Sangah.  I announced that I was running and gave a short speech of my qualifications an my desire to run for the position. Sangah simply put her name on the ballot and would not debate publicly or privately.  counting on her "friends" or "clans " votes entirely to win the election.  Fontan is a democracy that thrives on open debate.  I do not mind losing a fair election, It is part of the game. But when a clan simply chooses who will win behind closed doors and there is no debate or open challenge it is suspicious to say the least.

the fact that she won is not my complaint, it how it was done.

Is that the sort of thing that the magistrates are looking for?

I can give other examples of the same as well, but this one is still fresh in my memory.

Like the General refusing (until toms letter to the realm) to use fontans established military council and sending out orders directly to the realm instead of letting the marshals do their job in relaying those orders. keeping our military command in the dark as to our objectives.

Like clan members that seem to get separate orders to loot and plunder while everyone else is expected to follow the orders of the general over those of their marshals. and when a marshal tried to exert his authority, he was threatened with treason. by our previous Judge (also a clanner). and now that we have a new judge and that judge issued a fine for not following the orders of their marshal and their Liege the previous judge and other clanners stepped up and defended the perpetrator publicly saying that the current Judge had no right to issue that fine. (after all they all supposedly had seperate orders than the rest of the realm but no one in the military council was ever made aware of them before the fine was issued.

Things like that. I could keep going but will stop here for now.

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