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Clan in Fontan and Aurvandil
NoblesseChevaleresque:
--- Quote from: Geronus on April 09, 2012, 01:56:52 PM ---Because it may be relevant, this thread discusses Aurvandil's unusually efficient economy, with input from players in Aurvandil:
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,1938.0.html
This thread discusses recent happenings in Fontan, though beware, there is a significant amount of flaming, particularly at the end:
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2228.0.html
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What unusually efficient economy?
We just don't waste our gold, and we hand out what gold we have, it is that simple. That, and we maximise estate efficiency in every region we have , and supplement anyone who doesn't have enough gold, like Silent Wrath said, with treasury from the crown. I've already explained the Aurvandilan economic principle in full to Tom and he didn't seem to see anything wrong with it, it's genuinely a case of not wasting money, having the occasional investment and being generous with your treasury. Every realm can do it, it's not rocket science, it just takes a bit more time and micromanagement.
Ketchum:
I do not understand something. There is noone from Fontan "whining" on the forum when they lost Krimml city to Westmoor hand. We even need borrow Sirion strength to get back our own city. This can be confirmed by Zakilevo.
Is it because 13K CS Westmoor lost to Fontan 19K CS, which is when the first forum post appear to ask how come Fontan is so stronger? This is where I believe Westmoor feel they do not have a chance and thus branded Fontan as clan. If I receive some correct tips, even Nivemus realm has recently been branded as clan. There is apparently some heated exchanges on Rulers channels, somebody share to my character realm, Fontan.
The war between Fontan and Westmoor, are as Iltaran started a forum topic in link below are about 2 middle level strength army fighting against each other. I am not playing for a win, I cannot say for other. Maybe I do not see what the messages going on between individuals in Fontan, of which I stand corrected.
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2183.0.html
As I posted before on why Fontan grow stronger, some messages to prove what I said, sadly not archived. I believe I have shown enough evidence to prove how Fontan gain gold during wars, people asking my Banker character for gold, how my men unpaid for 9 days and so on. This is in response to a good question raised by 1 of the Westmoor people in forum.
Random select half of the realm members and teleport them to other island?
This suggestion is not sensible in my humble opinion in case you found there is clannie activity going on in Fontan. It will happen again elsewhere, on other realms, on other islands. This would be postponing the problem without exactly fixing the issue root cause :(
Geronus:
--- Quote from: NoblesseChevaleresque on April 09, 2012, 02:25:08 PM ---What unusually efficient economy?
We just don't waste our gold, and we hand out what gold we have, it is that simple. That, and we maximise estate efficiency in every region we have , and supplement anyone who doesn't have enough gold, like Silent Wrath said, with treasury from the crown. I've already explained the Aurvandilan economic principle in full to Tom and he didn't seem to see anything wrong with it, it's genuinely a case of not wasting money, having the occasional investment and being generous with your treasury. Every realm can do it, it's not rocket science, it just takes a bit more time and micromanagement.
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I didn't mean to imply that there was cheating. It's simply a fact that if you look at Aurvandil's performance, it's a major outlier. I'm sure everything is handled through existing game mechanics, however your average realm (even your above-average realm) would be very hard pressed to reach the kind of numbers and averages observed in Aurvandil. Incidentally, that is why this group of players keeps getting singled out. From Thulsoma through Averoth to Aurvandil and Fontan, the realms that are populated by these families enjoy eyebrow-raising levels of coordination and economic efficiency that are simply beyond the grasp of most realms in the game, if not all of them. This is why suspicion and accusations tend to follow them wherever they go. There is all sorts of evidence that the realm, as a whole, is min-maxing, which is really just another word for power gaming even if it's all comfortably within the designed mechanics of the game.
NoblesseChevaleresque:
--- Quote from: Anaris on April 09, 2012, 02:22:25 PM ---No. It was deemed that there is a clan in Aurvandil because there was a large influx of players from Averoth and Thulsoma, and after that happened, their military and economic performance changed from pretty average to hyper-efficient.
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I think what you will find is that, once the nobles from the north were arriving, was the same time Aurvandil had beat the massive infestations, ended the starvation in our lands and removed the Madinian occupation of Candiels, obviously our economy exploded after that point, as well as the number of regions we controlled.
Besides, how is that clan activity? They came in small amounts over the period of a year, in fact, one came from Caerwyn specifically to hand Mendicant several unique times after gaining an audience to see if we would accept refugees from the north. I notice you don't call Caerwyn joining Madina as Clan activity, but apparently it's the reverse when some members of Averoth, a small number of nobles from Thulsoma, and a tiny fraction from Caerwyn come over to Aurvandil, slowly, over the period of a year, back when Aurvandil was the only realm at war, and the only realm with any prospects or anything interesting going on.
These accusations are so ... faltering and near baseless.
NoblesseChevaleresque:
--- Quote from: Geronus on April 09, 2012, 02:39:17 PM ---I didn't mean to imply that there was cheating. It's simply a fact that if you look at Aurvandil's performance, it's a major outlier. I'm sure everything is handled through existing game mechanics, however your average realm (even your above-average realm) would be very hard pressed to reach the kind of numbers and averages observed in Aurvandil. Incidentally, that is why this group of players keeps getting singled out. From Thulsoma through Averoth to Aurvandil and Fontan, the realms that are populated by these families enjoy eyebrow-raising levels of coordination and economic efficiency that are simply beyond the grasp of most realms in the game, if not all of them. This is why suspicion and accusations tend to follow them wherever they go. There is all sorts of evidence that the realm, as a whole, is min-maxing, which is really just another word for power gaming even if it's all comfortably within the designed mechanics of the game.
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It's really not that difficult to achieve.
Firstly, your nobles all buy out units to the maximum and never keep gold to pay their men, and pay them by a week by week basis, as well as enlarging them each time. It's cheaper to maintain soldiers, than it is to buy them, so it comes down to fairly cheap overall expenses, enabling a fairly consistent growth in the unit size. As for the nobles who don't have enough gold, you supplement them with treasury gold, and as the expenses are fairly low for the size and strength, this is something that can be easily maintained. Another thing, fighting wars gives yours unit very high cohesion and training, which sends your combat strength into overdrive when you consistently win battles.
As for high levels of coordination, this is a joke, we don't have that, we don't have high movement rates either, there is a reason why we give our nobles days of warning in advance, then make most moves two, or three turn moves, and it's always why whenever we don't do that, a lot don't move, Madina have sniped us considerably on this multiple times. The most we have for coordination, is some one sends me a request for gold, I sent them gold, and I look through the army lists to see who has the smallest units, and ask them if they need more gold. It's a case of the wealthiest taking a proactive role in seeing who needs gold and providing them with it.
This is nothing other realms cannot do, it just takes a bit of forethought and effort, and I seceded from Madina exactly because they never made the effort, they never had any forethought or coordination, they were the opposites of how Aurvandil runs, and I made Aurvandil the opposite of how Madina manages itself, so it's no wonder a realm like Madina, where every noble is only out for himself, can't compete with a realm like Aurvandil, where every noble is tied by oath and duty to serve the Monarch first and foremost.
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