Militia increase in Mt. Black Nastrond

[Arrakis]

Not sure if this is the right place for this, but not only that militia wasn't disbanded in Mt. Black Nastrond as was the Magistrates decision, but they just added another unit. The character named Veles Sobczek just put his unit as militia, therefore increasing the total amount. I have two scout reports to prove it.

I mean really...

[ChrisVCB]

At the time of sentencing there was approx 4k militia in Mt Black Nastrond. I believe the sentence was to rectify the situation by disbanding the militia. However, there is still 4k militia there.
 
I'm not sure whether its possible to rename militia, but either Orriss has renamed several units of militia,or they are slowly 'complying' with the magistrates command by, one unit at a time (as to keep their mobile CS up) dropping a unit of militia and disbanding one of the Summerdale ones . This is 'technically' following the sentence of disbanding the summerdale militia(over a long time), but doing it in a way that seems to defy the intent of the sentence.

This is something the magistrates should clearly be made aware of but I too was not sure where to report this.

[Arrakis]

Actually, there is 5550 CS militia in the last scout report.

[Geronus]

Can you please post the results of your scout reports to support this? Not that I don't believe you, but seeing them ourselves will potentially be helpful in assessing the situation.

[Arrakis]

http://www.battlemaster.org/ShowScribeNote.php?ID=192033&Hash=b5270a663e0f37c9 (older report - Veles has a mobile unit called Plains archers)
http://www.battlemaster.org/ShowScribeNote.php?ID=192079&Hash=b0c54d8cd6c674cb (newer report - he dropped it as militia and is now without a unit)

[Geronus]

Well there's nothing wrong with them adding militia of their own... Do you have anything older that would show just what the Summerdalians left there so we can see if any militia has been disbanded and compare it with the current situation?

[Arrakis]

This the oldest one I have...maybe someone else has something older.
http://www.battlemaster.org/ShowScribeNote.php?ID=191761&Hash=ce6b48141fcf33a9

So, please correct me if I am getting this wrong. They are allowed to add as much militia as they want, regardless of whether the Summerdale militia has been disbanded? If so, then they are technically able to just dump their own 4k right now, and then remove the old militia. Which means their punishment doesn't really have a meaning, for the great advantage they got by abusing a bug is still here - the militia. Allowing this would only cost them some gold in the long run (the gold needed to re-recruit once they dump their own militia).

[Brant]

Due to the limited lifespan of scribe notes, only ones up to 4 turns old are available (at least from me).  Summerdale dropped militia bold, Libero italicized.


[Scribe:191761|ce6b48141fcf33a9]    Scout Report (Mt. Black Nastrond 4 turns

Springdale Escort Brigade   Pirtamri   Libero Empire   170 Archers   1200   stationary
Hunters of Nifel   (militia)   Libero Empire   80 Archers   650   dug in
Militia   Theodred   Libero Empire   80 Mixed Infantry   750   stationary
Hawk's Rangers   Hawk   Libero Empire   60 Mixed Infantry   650   stationary
Springdale Red Company   Walnar   Libero Empire   60 Infantry   550   approaching from Torrents Breath
Springdale City Guards   Clive   Libero Empire   60 Infantry   650   approaching from Torrents Breath
Cold Spring Archers   (militia)   Libero Empire   60 Mixed Infantry   500   dug in
Army Banner   Dark Guard   Rohk   Libero Empire   60 Cavalry   800   stationary
Valldir's Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   500   dug in
Imber MacManus   Andrew   Libero Empire   60 Archers   650   approaching from Nifelhold
I Company Archers, I Dalian Army   (militia)   Libero Empire   60 Archers   550   dug in
Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   450   dug in
Mountain Archer Defense   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   400   dug in
Summerdale - Dumberfail   Florian   Libero Empire   45 Infantry   450   stationary
Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   40 Archers   350   dug in
Grancourt Infantry   (militia)   Libero Empire   35 Infantry   350   dug in
Praetorians   Kniva   Libero Empire   30 Special Forces   600   stationary
Hakkapeliitat   Maxter   Libero Empire   25 Infantry   250   stationary
Personal Guard   Reis   Libero Empire   25 Infantry   225   stationary
Deleus Dawn   (militia)   Libero Empire   20 Infantry   300   dug in
Summerdales Bane   Orris   Libero Empire   15 Special Forces   400   stationary


[Scribe:191816|77bcf51e734c1855]   Scout Report (Mt. Black Nastrond   3 turns 

Hunters of Nifel   (militia)   Libero Empire   80 Archers   650   dug in
Plains Archers   Veles   Libero Empire   80 Archers   800   approaching from Torrents Breath
Militia   (militia)   Libero Empire   70 Mixed Infantry   600   stationary
Hawk's Rangers   Hawk   Libero Empire   60 Mixed Infantry   650   stationary
Springdale Red Company   Walnar   Libero Empire   70 Infantry   600   stationary
Springdale City Guards   Clive   Libero Empire   60 Infantry   650   stationary
Cold Spring Archers   (militia)   Libero Empire   60 Mixed Infantry   500   dug in
Dark Guard   Rohk   Libero Empire   60 Cavalry   750   stationary
Valldir's Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   60 Archers   550   dug in
Imber MacManus   Andrew   Libero Empire   60 Archers   650   moving out to Torrents Breath
Mortekai Archer Guard   Mortekai   Libero Empire   50 Archers   550   approaching from Nifelhold
I Company Archers, I Dalian Army   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   450   dug in
Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   450   dug in
Mountain Archer Defense   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   400   dug in
Summerdale - Dumberfail   Florian   Libero Empire   40 Infantry   400   stationary
Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   40 Archers   350   dug in
Grancourt Infantry   (militia)   Libero Empire   30 Infantry   300   dug in
Hakkapeliitat   Maxter   Libero Empire   30 Infantry   300   stationary
Praetorians       Kniva   Libero Empire   25 Special Forces   550   dug in
Personal Guard   Reis   Libero Empire   25 Infantry   225   stationary
Deleus Dawn   (militia)   Libero Empire   20 Infantry   300   dug in
Summerdales Bane   Orris   Libero Empire   20 Special Forces   400   stationary


[Scribe:191935|5aa7203b1dbf3ea2]   Scout Report (Mt. Black Nastrond   2 turns

Springdale Escort Brigade   Pirtamri   Libero Empire   170 Archers   1200   approaching from Nifel
Hunters of Nifel   (militia)   Libero Empire   90 Archers   750   dug in
Plains Archers   Veles   Libero Empire   80 Archers   800   stationary
Militia   (militia)   Libero Empire   80 Mixed Infantry   650   dug in
Hawk's Rangers   Hawk   Libero Empire   60 Mixed Infantry   600   stationary
Springdale Red Company   Walnar   Libero Empire   60 Infantry   550   stationary
Cold Spring Archers   (militia)   Libero Empire   70 Mixed Infantry   650   dug in
Springdale City Guards   Clive   Libero Empire   60 Infantry   600   stationary
Dark Guard   Rohk   Libero Empire   60 Cavalry   750   stationary
Valldir's Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   450   dug in
Imber MacManus   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   500   stationary
Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   500   dug in
Mortekai Archer Guard   Mortekai   Libero Empire   50 Archers   550   stationary
Mountain Archer Defense   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   400   dug in
Summerdale - Dumberfail   Florian   Libero Empire   40 Infantry   400   stationary
Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   40 Archers   350   dug in
Praetorians     Kniva   Libero Empire   25 Special Forces   600   moving out to Nifel
Hakkapeliitat   Maxter   Libero Empire   25 Infantry   300   moving out to Nifelhold
Personal Guard   Reis   Libero Empire   20 Infantry   225   stationary
Deleus Dawn   (militia)   Libero Empire   20 Infantry   300   dug in
Summerdales Bane   Orris   Libero Empire   20 Special Forces   400   stationary


[Scribe:191992|2cf23b517cb94384]   Scout Report (Mt. Black Nastrond   1 turns

Springdale Escort Brigade   Pirtamri   Libero Empire   180 Archers   1250   approaching from Nifel
Hunters of Nifel   (militia)   Libero Empire   80 Archers   700   dug in
Plains Archers   Veles   Libero Empire   80 Archers   750   stationary
Militia   (militia)   Libero Empire   80 Mixed Infantry   700   dug in
Hawk's Rangers   Hawk   Libero Empire   60 Mixed Infantry   650   stationary
Springdale Red Company   Walnar   Libero Empire   60 Infantry   550   stationary
Cold Spring Archers   (militia)   Libero Empire   60 Mixed Infantry   550   dug in
Springdale City Guards   Clive   Libero Empire   70 Infantry   650   stationary
Dark Guard   Rohk   Libero Empire   60 Cavalry   850   moving out to Nifelhold
Valldir's Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   500   dug in
Imber MacManus   (militia)   Libero Empire   60 Archers   600   stationary
Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   450   dug in
Mortkai Archer Guard   Mortekai   Libero Empire   45 Archers   450   stationary
Mountain Archer Defense   (militia)   Libero Empire   45 Archers   400   dug in
Summerdale - Dumberfail   Florian   Libero Empire   45 Infantry   450   stationary
Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   40 Archers   350   dug in
Personal Guard   Reis   Libero Empire   20 Infantry   225   dug in
Deleus Dawn   (militia)   Libero Empire   20 Infantry   300   dug in

[Scribe:192079|b0c54d8cd6c674cb]    Scout Report (Mt. Black Nastrond   fresh

Springdale Escort Brigade   Pirtamri   Libero Empire   180 Archers   1200   stationary
Hunters of Nifel   (militia)   Libero Empire   90 Archers   800   dug in
Plains Archers   (militia)   Libero Empire   80 Archers   700   stationary
Militia   (militia)   Libero Empire   70 Mixed Infantry   650   dug in
Hawk's Rangers   Hawk   Libero Empire   70 Mixed Infantry   700   stationary
Springdale Red Company   Walnar   Libero Empire   60 Infantry   550   stationary
Cold Spring Archers   (militia)   Libero Empire   60 Mixed Infantry   600   dug in
Springdale City Guards   Clive   Libero Empire   60 Infantry   600   stationary
Valldir's Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   60 Archers   550   dug in
Imber MacManus   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   550   dug in
Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   500   dug in
Mortekai Archer Guard   Mortekai   Libero Empire   50 Archers   500   stationary
Mountain Archer Defense   (militia)   Libero Empire   50 Archers   450   dug in
Summerdale - Dumberfail   Florian   Libero Empire   45 Infantry   400   stationary
Steel Rain   (militia)   Libero Empire   45 Archers   450   dug in
Personal Guard   Reis   Libero Empire   20 Infantry   200   dug in
Deleus Dawn   (militia)   Libero Empire   20 Infantry   300   dug in

[Brant]

Since the verdict, only 30 men of Summerdale militia has been disbanded (leaving 265 still), yet they have dropped an additional 310 men of their own.

[Anaris]

The ruling from the Magistrates was emphatically not intended to mean that Mt Black Nastrond must remain free of militia. It was only intended to see that the militia that were brought over with the region due to the exploitation of the bug were disbanded.

Since disbanding militia costs gold and hours for the Lord, I don't think it's unreasonable that they be allowed to stretch the disbanding of it all over the course of a few turns. (Especially if there were more than 12 units to begin with!)

[Anaris]

Since the verdict, only 30 men of Summerdale militia has been disbanded (leaving 265 still), yet they have dropped an additional 310 men of their own.

Ah. That's a bit of a different story.

I will ensure that the relevant parties know about this.

[Vellos]

Ah. That's a bit of a different story.

I will ensure that the relevant parties know about this.

Indeed, this is a concern. The player in question should be using a significant portion of his time to disband the militia each turn.

[Geronus]

So long as he has the gold, anyway. It's winter, and travel is slow. I think he has to go all the way back to Springdale to cash bonds if he doesn't have sufficient gold on hand. If that's the case he's probably still in transit... We'll see what the Libero players have to say.

[Brant]

Their capital is Nifelhold, one region away.  (I made that mistake IC   )

[Arrakis]

Conveniently, their capital got moved to Nifelhold prior to the war declaration  , so it's one region away really.