Changing bonds to gold outside your realm - Feature request

[megs]

With the new update, we are now able to trade with BONDS across realms.
This implies that the bonds of one realm are accepted in another.

This could expand to characters changing bonds when abroad.
The exchange rate could vary according to diplomatic relations and treaties, and be subject to local tax as well.

It would make for interesting prolonged campaigns.

The exchange rate feature, if added, could also be applied in the trading system to the seller, who would then have to change the bonds of the buyer to them of his own realm.
It will also decrease the financial power of war-mongering realms and increase the power of peaceful ones (although who wants these peaceful dudes?)

[Velax]

You were always able to exchange your bonds for those of another realm if you were in one of their cities.

[Indirik]

Bonds have never been exchangeable outside your realm, nor have you ever been able to exchange gold for foreign bonds.

The inability to work with foreign bonds is a game balance issue, and will not be changing.

[Foundation]

Could inter-realm food offers be used as a mechanism for bond transfer?  If so then something must be in place to deal with that.

[Velax]

Bonds have never been exchangeable outside your realm, nor have you ever been able to exchange gold for foreign bonds.

Oh, is it gold you can change into foreign bonds in a bank belonging to another realm?

[Foundation]

Oh, is it gold you can change into foreign bonds in a bank belonging to another realm?

Yes.

[fodder]

Could inter-realm food offers be used as a mechanism for bond transfer?  If so then something must be in place to deal with that.

yes and no. 1 side gives bonds the other side gives food. they could always do it back and forth a few times to shift bonds at a rate of 40 bonds per 100 bushels for no net change in food. bit of a waste of time. (trade at 50 per 100, then trade back at 10 per 100)

or they can just trade at favourable rates at the "cost" of a bit of food.

so yes... technically, it'll be bonds from buyer of realm A going into hands of seller of realm B in the form of bonds.

[vonGenf]

Oh, is it gold you can change into foreign bonds in a bank belonging to another realm?

To be precise: you still cannot hold foreign bonds. However, if you have gold on hand and want to transfer it to a noble from another realm, the foreign bank will take your gold and issue bonds to that foreign noble, in demoniations of his own realm. After a 50 gold cut.

[Indirik]

Yes, you could swap food back and forth to transfer bonds to another realm. That would be considered an exploit.

Food transfers will not remain instantaneous forever. Once things are settled and the conversion is done, some kind of time delay will be added. The exact method is not yet determined. But that will pretty much close any food/bonds loophole.

[fodder]

um... depends on what you are trying to stop.

time delay is irrelevant. so would any deals that involve transaction fees (some sort of npc gold sink.. eg 1 gold per 100 bushels traded), if the idea is to support another realm (in the medium/long term) by giving them funds and not caring much about the cost.

it'll be tedious, but just imagine 2 cities with huge food reserves (and overall realm not in huge shortage). they stick up a ton of trades.. a week later (really slow trade, for example), bonds shuffled around. food shuffled around with minimum rot to boot

if you somehow manage to close back and forth trade between 2 regions, it can be done with 3 or 4. (realm A rurals sells cheap food to B cities, B rurals sell expensive food to A cities)

it's not too different between some noble carrying a ton of gold around to give to another realm via bank or guilds/religions with the advantage of not getting robbed (unless trades gets robbed or some such on the odd occasion)

it's just a matter of finding balance between risk of getting robbed / cost doing the business and not pissing everyone off from normal trades

mind you, you cannot stop some realm subsidising food trade to another realm (1 way traffic) which may or may not then sell it off for huge profit to some 3rd party and subsidising food is conceptionally no different from giving gold to another realm

[Indirik]

There is nothing wrong with subsidizing a realm via food sales, or by manually carrying gold around. The exploit comes in when you have the same 500 bushels being shuffled back and forth for 10 gold one way and 50 gold the other.

[Foundation]

I'd prefer something more concrete than "you're exploiting if you do so", but I agree with you that this concrete barrier won't come into existence too soon.