Luria

[JeVondair]

A secular issue, aye? Nice try.

He was a priest when Solaria declared war on D'Hara. It wasn't a church issue then, why would it be now?

[Lorgan]

Well obviously D'Hara wants to portray arresting the Light of whatever silly red star as a secular issue.

But well, this is an IC discussion in which I'll have no part anyway.

[Tandaros]

well, never realised D`hara was this stupid..

This move is largely supported by non-Astroists.

[Anaris]

This move is largely supported by non-Astroists.

Yeah, and who were the primary people that looked likely to be willing to support D'Hara in a war against Luria? Could it be the exact people they just stuck a big finger in the eye of?

[Tiridia]

Well, I trust we are all civilized enough that given enough dedication, we could all come to some sort of more or less comfortable arrangement about peace and stability. It is the responsibility of those who have the power to shake up things a little so we do not stagnate, and this move definitely throws more fuel to the fire.

[Indirik]

Well, Former Arbiter Malus Solari has been imprisoned for crimes against D'Hara, specifically the role he played in organising the first Lurian invasion of Sallowsite. Posting here instead of the SA thread because it is a secular issue.

Arresting a priest is never a secular issue for the mere fact that the only reason you can arrest them is because they are priests. i.e. you can only arrest them because of their religious office. Arresting a priest and saying it has nothing to do with the religion (and thus they have no reason to get involved) is like shooting the pope and saying the Catholic church has nothing to do with it, and shouldn't get involved.

Now, if it were possible to arrest nobles of a class other than priest, then I could see how you could claim that an arrest of a priest is a secular issue. As it stands, IMHO, arresting a priest is *always* an issue that concerns the religion.

[JeVondair]

Arresting a priest is never a secular issue for the mere fact that the only reason you can arrest them is because they are priests. i.e. you can only arrest them because of their religious office. Arresting a priest and saying it has nothing to do with the religion (and thus they have no reason to get involved) is like shooting the pope and saying the Catholic church has nothing to do with it, and shouldn't get involved.

Now, if it were possible to arrest nobles of a class other than priest, then I could see how you could claim that an arrest of a priest is a secular issue. As it stands, IMHO, arresting a priest is *always* an issue that concerns the religion.

*shrugs*

Then move this to the SA thread.

[Vita`]

There's also a difference between a regular priest and the third highest ranking member of the faith in the vicinity specifically on church business, having clearly announced his presence in the vicinity upon church business.

[Wolfang]

What exactly happened? Which realm arrested whom from where?

[Indirik]

I thought you had to be at war with a realm in order to arrrest priests from that realm? (Unless the priest is from your own realm.) Was this changed? D'Hara isn't at war with LN, so they shouldn't be able to arrest priests from LN...

[Anaris]

I thought you had to be at war with a realm in order to arrrest priests from that realm? (Unless the priest is from your own realm.) Was this changed? D'Hara isn't at war with LN, so they shouldn't be able to arrest priests from LN...

Unless he was in a region being taken over. Any priest in a region under TO is fair game.

[Meneldur]

Well this will teach me not to skim the messages in the D'Hara realm channel because more interesting things are happening in SA...

[Wolfsong]

Sure, you can arrest any priest... But then what? You can't really do jack !@#$ with them once you have them in your clutches. You just stare at them awhile, then they go home and preach again. And if they RTO a region or two? Nope, you can't even ban those suckers. Cheerio, pip pip, have a good time destroying our infrastructure, see you again on Monday!

IMO, you should be able to ban -any- noble that ends up in your prison, just at a hit to honour/prestige if they aren't already an infiltrator or rebel commander.

[Arundel]

It's a nice cassus belli to add to the other ones.

[Perth]

Frankly, I think you should be able to arrest any Noble anywhere regardless of realm, class, or diplomatic status.

If you have the men to do it, you should be able to arrest someone.