Luria

[Glaumring the Fox]

Because remember, the Lurias scheming against D'Hara for over 4 years is fine, D'Hara considering some payback for a few weeks is atrocious.

lol I love !@#$ like this coming out of your own mouth...

[Feylonis]

lol I love !@#$ like this coming out of your own mouth...

As opposed to your mouth, which is practically a sewage pipe? Yeah, I love it too.

And yeah, as far as I know, D'hara and GDoF (it exists!) were Luria's favorite sparring partners when Luria took a break from sparring each other.

[Glaumring the Fox]

The shifty opportunist , the traitor and the stooge. What other characters will come out to greet me?

[Chenier]

As opposed to your mouth, which is practically a sewage pipe? Yeah, I love it too.

And yeah, as far as I know, D'hara and GDoF (it exists!) were Luria's favorite sparring partners when Luria took a break from sparring each other.

D'Hara was never actually attacked before, though it came close on a few occasions. The threat has been looming over our heads since day 1, however.

Fissoa, on the other hand, got ganked plenty of times. However, it must be said that they initiated most if not all of these wars, thinking they could pull it off while being way over their heads.

[Anaris]

Let me get this straight: the Moot and the SA (I know, not a crusade, but whatever) go to war against Aurvandil. Luria was asked to help, but instead it declared war on D'Hara (a Moot realm). Not a move that really warms up the trust issues.

Now LN claims to want peace so that it can go help in the war against Aurvandil, and claims that D'Hara is the one that's at fault - when the whole mess could have been avoided had LN just supported the war against Aurvandil in the first place. And LN expects the Moot and SA to somehow trust them this time, despite the fact that it was LN who started the war anyway?

:|

It's more complicated than that.

First off, Luria did declare war on Aurvandil. However, due to...a series of complicated internal problems (which I can go into if you really want me to...), it was no longer politically possible to continue the war against Aurvandil. There was another faction within Luria that desired war against D'Hara for particular purposes. The rest of Luria was persuaded to go along with that because it was, at the time, the only way to keep Luria together. (Actually, to some extent, it has continued to be so.) It's not, you must understand, specifically the war against D'Hara that serves this purpose, but a war against outsiders generally.

As I pointed out to Lanyon, Luria Nova truly believes that if we let Aurvandil devour the west, they will turn their faces east and be the stronger for their meal.

Luria Nova has every intention of fighting Aurvandil. We have all along. The only question has been whether it would be before D'Hara was crushed or after. If D'Hara will let go of their foolish attachment to Luria Vesperi and agree to stop our war for the time being, then we can all get about destroying the threat to all of us.

[Lanyon]

Is it weird that the biggest reason i want us to win besides wanting my realm to survive is just to hear the things y'all say when we win/stalemate?

[Chenier]

Luria Nova has every intention of fighting Aurvandil. We have all along. The only question has been whether it would be before D'Hara was crushed or after. If D'Hara will let go of their foolish attachment to Luria Vesperi and agree to stop our war for the time being, then we can all get about destroying the threat to all of us.

Then kill LV so we can get this over with, already! I do not believe D'Hara will ditch LV until LV is proven beyond reasonable doubt to be a liability, either militarily or diplomatically, which means you'll either have to annex their capital or beat them so bad that the realm crumbles internally and that D'Hara no longer recognizes the people in charge anymore.

None of this prevents you from declaring war on Aurvandil right now, however.

[Anaris]

Then kill LV so we can get this over with, already! I do not believe D'Hara will ditch LV until LV is proven beyond reasonable doubt to be a liability, either militarily or diplomatically, which means you'll either have to annex their capital or beat them so bad that the realm crumbles internally and that D'Hara no longer recognizes the people in charge anymore.

We're moving as fast as I think can be reasonably expected. It's not like we can kill Aurvandil over the course of a few hours, after all

None of this prevents you from declaring war on Aurvandil right now, however.

And doing what? Fighting a 3-front war, with one of the fronts being a week's travel or more away?

[Penchant]

Stuff

You have argued this already OOC,  and that's fine but for the umpteenth time, we have 0 reason to believe IC. Every action taken by LN suggests they are not against Aurvandil, and only want peace with D'hara to destroy LV, so that it's easier to destroy D'hara. Try and tell me one in game thing that suggests otherwise that has been shared with D'hara. Maybe you can think of one but I know I can't.

[Anaris]

You have argued this already OOC,  and that's fine but for the umpteenth time, we have 0 reason to believe IC.

Ah!

This, I can understand.

I guess we'll just have to see what happens when LV dies.

[Chenier]

And doing what? Fighting a 3-front war, with one of the fronts being a week's travel or more away?

Nah. Just scare their peasants !@#$less with yet another war declaration. Aurvandil's got greater threats on its hands than to be able to send anything at you anyways. Could help convince a few people that LN truly does want to fight Aurvandil down the road, too.

[Norrel]

Why are all of these discussions and attempts at persuasion and politics not being done IC?

[Chenier]

Why are all of these discussions and attempts at persuasion and politics not being done IC?

Because both camps are too narrow-minded to consider anything from a perspective other than their own. 

[Norrel]

Because both camps are too narrow-minded to consider anything from a perspective other than their own. 

And you're trying to overcome that OOC why?

[Chenier]

And you're trying to overcome that OOC why?

I'm just doing OOC commenting. It's nice to know, as a player, what's going on in other parts of the game worlds.

I'm not really trying to overcome anything: I stated D'Hara's position, and how unlikely it was for that position to change. Any serious scheming would NOT be done on this public forum where everyone can see... This is just general interests talks.