Sirion vs Westmoor

[feyeleanor]

*Westmoor vs. Saxon War

Corrected for accuracy.

Or do you mean when Fontan tried to puff up its chest, lost Oberndorf and Commonyr, then begged Sirion for help?

If you want that corrected for accuracy: when Rhidhana was trying to suck Sirion into the war against their better judgement.

The security of both Commonyr and Oberndorf was guaranteed by the Fontan-Sirion peace treaty so letting your army waste their time on conquests which would be returned by someone else's arms was a reasonable strategy. In return we got an open door to Evora and Morshes which nicely filled our coffers with minimal risk whilst keeping Westmoor away from our core regions.

I'd have pursued a similar strategy when war resumed had Rhidhana been Minister of Defence, but Lyzekiel got it into his head that we should conquer Westmoor which was always going to lead to trouble. Not that we had a siege workshop so I don't think he had a hope in hell of pulling it off anyway.

He and the Aurvrandil clan were also remarkably naive about the diplomatic setting, apparently believing that we could win through raw strength without incurring additional enemies. A very crude approach to warfare.

[Iltaran]

He and the Aurvrandil clan were also remarkably naive about the diplomatic setting, apparently believing that we could win through raw strength without incurring additional enemies. A very crude approach to warfare.

TBH, that seems to be a rather recurring feature of the Saxons, they frequently bite off more than they can chew; see Thulsoma, Averoth, Arcachon et all

[Velax]

Yes, the Saxons are very good at recruiting and moving in a big blob, but very bad at, well, everything else.

[feyeleanor]

TBH, that seems to be a rather recurring feature of the Saxons, they frequently bite off more than they can chew; see Thulsoma, Averoth, Arcachon et all

It's a very common approach to the game though so we can hardly single them out. Right now Westmoor's following the same pattern, only they're not as good at bringing overwhelming force to the front lines.

[Indirik]

If you have evidence of such a claim, send it to the Magistrates. These claims do not belong in this thread, or this subforum.

[Indirik]

I said keep the clan discussions out of this thread.

[Chaotrance13]

It seems now the player of the Serpentis family wishes to turn this war into a jihad against the Church of Humanity. There's a surprise. ::)

[Thunthorn]

If you want that corrected for accuracy: when Rhidhana was trying to suck Sirion into the war against their better judgement.

The security of both Commonyr and Oberndorf was guaranteed by the Fontan-Sirion peace treaty so letting your army waste their time on conquests which would be returned by someone else's arms was a reasonable strategy. In return we got an open door to Evora and Morshes which nicely filled our coffers with minimal risk whilst keeping Westmoor away from our core regions.

I'd have pursued a similar strategy when war resumed had Rhidhana been Minister of Defence, but Lyzekiel got it into his head that we should conquer Westmoor which was always going to lead to trouble. Not that we had a siege workshop so I don't think he had a hope in hell of pulling it off anyway.

He and the Aurvrandil clan were also remarkably naive about the diplomatic setting, apparently believing that we could win through raw strength without incurring additional enemies. A very crude approach to warfare.

The only reason that this worked at all was that Westmoor got greedy and moved into Krimml. Had that not happened they would probably be in Obendorf and Commonyr to this day. It was pretty obvious that Fontan relied on Sirion to save their bacon rather than finding peace on their own, and this didn't make them very popular at the time...

[feyeleanor]

The only reason that this worked at all was that Westmoor got greedy and moved into Krimml. Had that not happened they would probably be in Obendorf and Commonyr to this day. It was pretty obvious that Fontan relied on Sirion to save their bacon rather than finding peace on their own, and this didn't make them very popular at the time...

It was obvious to Rhidhana that Westmoor would look to annex the ruins of Fontan once the great war was over. The gamble was whether Sirion would stick by its treaty obligations to defend the rump of Fontan, and the only way to ensure that was to ensure that once war was declared Westmoor would march into Krimml. For some time they demurred but who can resist an enemy capital city on their borders with insignificant defences?

Personally I'd much rather that Basilius had left Westmoor to start the war though as that would have allowed Fontan to build up her RCs, reserves and war chest. However the TMP code was hammering our stats pretty badly and that along with sentiment in the Assembly dictated the timing. After that Rhidhana had to figure out how to mount a reasonable campaign with less than 4K CS and the only obvious way to achieve that was to leverage the territorial guarantee for all it was worth, something that alienated many of Fontan's nobles but ultimately proved successful. The ceasefire gave Fontan a breathing space to rebuild and had subsequent governments allied this with well-considered and honest diplomacy the whole affair might have ended in a peaceful resolution.

Instead King Jor was given a free hand to curry favour with outside observers, leading to the current state of affairs.

[Iltaran]

The only reason that this worked at all was that Westmoor got greedy and moved into Krimml. Had that not happened they would probably be in Obendorf and Commonyr to this day. It was pretty obvious that Fontan relied on Sirion to save their bacon rather than finding peace on their own, and this didn't make them very popular at the time...

Yeah, that was a fairly bad miscalculation on my part. I was working on the theory that if Sirion got angry about the attack Westmoor could just backdown and I'd grovel a bit.

Mind you, it was frustration rather than greed.

[Ketchum]

Cool down. We all need a Cookies now and then :P
Reading forum sometime cause considerable source of stress to me OOC and IC.
That is one of the reasons why I decide to make a clean break and have my character step down as Fontan Banker and become a normal Knight in Nivemus instead.
So why not we all take a step back from the stressful life as our realm politicians and come back to our root as a Knight? ::)

Let us come back to Sirion vs Westmoor topic please :)
Here's another battle fought. Some Sirion army got caught in Bruck or most of Sirion army disappear? :o

Huge Battle Fought

Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Bruck:
Westmoor vs. Sirion
Estimated strengths: 740 men vs. 210 men
The Westmoorian Column (Westmoor), sponsored by Maedros Iltaran, Duke of Westmoor, Margrave of Westmoor, were led into battle by Marshal Ravier Nebehn.
Sir Ilias Thunthorn (Royal) is spotted wielding the Axe of Betrayal.
Sir Thomas Foxglove, Lord General of Westmoor, Earl of Poitiers is spotted wearing the Blessed Band of Freedom.
Sezzil Marley (Knight of Westmoor) is spotted wearing the Silver Cloak of the Maiden.

Attacker Victory!

[Zakilevo]

Cool down. We all need a Cookies now and then :P
Reading forum sometime cause considerable source of stress to me OOC and IC.
That is one of the reasons why I decide to make a clean break and have my character step down as Fontan Banker and become a normal Knight in Nivemus instead.
So why not we all take a step back from the stressful life as our realm politicians and come back to our root as a Knight? ::)

Let us come back to Sirion vs Westmoor topic please :)
Here's another battle fought. Some Sirion army got caught in Bruck or most of Sirion army disappear? :o

Many people in Sirion are busy - probably because it is summer for most of them. I ordered people to move out of the region two days ago? but some people decided to stay in the region. Oh well. Gotta work with what I got.

[Thunthorn]

In my case I was wounded for 3 days, while my unit never retreated so they fought whatever came along during my absence...

[Zakilevo]

In my case I was wounded for 3 days, while my unit never retreated so they fought whatever came along during my absence...

Now that Rugina is back, I am free. Thank god. I will let her deal with all the frustration ;)

[Ketchum]

Sirion lost battle in Greatbridge again??? What is going on... :o