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Swastika Use
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Summary:Swastika UseViolation:PreambleWorld:DwilightComplainer:Lyman StoneAbout:Glaumring
Full Complaint Text:
The relevant violated clause of the Social Contract is:
"People from all over the world are participating in this game and its community. Limited communication and cultural differences require us to agree on a common etiquette and rules of behaviour."
The player of Glaumring has chosen to repeatedly make gratuitous IC and OOC swastika references (and apparently jokes?) despite multiple OOC cautions and requests to stop from other players.
Letter from Glaumring Apasurain (53 minutes ago)
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Oh so now the mad king line is being bandied about by my allies. I appreciate that. I appreciate that my fury is mocked for my love of Terran, for my desire to fight with all my heart for Terran, to send my troops against old friends in Astroism, to fight one of my best friends Lady Allison Kabrinski. I sacrificed it all for Terran, Terran my old home. And this is what us given to Asylon? A snotty plate of spit for being annoyed that Terrans senate so callously turned against us. I consider Magistrate Vellos family. I allied eith D'Hara because of their fear of imminent attack by Kabrinskia. And this is what we get? An insult to your senate and all of everything we have dobe thrown to the dogs... I shall be like the fires of the sun and burn like a ball of terror in the sky, my blade a brandished pillar of pure insanity whirling like a swastika of death in the heavens! Who else wants to see an Asylonian naked and covered in bloodmoon spit flying down a hill at you eyes all rolling in their head with two cats tied by their tails wail ghosts! Waaargh!
Glaumring Apasurain of Asylon
Candidavius of Véinsørmoot and King of Asylon, Duke of Via, Earl of Via
Letter from Glaumring Apasurain (28 minutes ago)
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It is an ancient symbol of good luck for Asylonians. My body is adorned with hundreds of them, it stops arrows, cures cat bites, heals wounds and allows one man to drink huge barrals of wine without rest and each symbol means of how many women I have had and children they birthed. It is a fascinating Asylonian tradition!
Glaumring Apasurain of Asylon
Candidavius of Véinsørmoot and King of Asylon, Duke of Via, Earl of Via
Out-of-Character from Brom Silverfire (26 minutes ago)
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Okay, is that really an acceptable form of discussion for this game? While I understand the historical background behind the symbol in real life, it also has some very bad connotations which I am not sure are acceptable to be brought into the game.
TH
Out-of-Character from Brackern of Burgundy (22 minutes ago)
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If he is making it all up, and it is a once off thing, I reckon it is fine (although liable to get reported for SMA, perhaps). If it is taken further and becomes part of the realm RP, then it deserves definite red card IMO.
Mike H.
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Out-of-Character from Glaumring Apasurain (17 minutes ago)
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Do you have any idea of the ancient history of a swastika? I lived in Asia for 14 years its everywhere there. Its a very very very old symbol. And has very little to do with nazis you can report me if you want because you guys are whiny little babies. Or go educate yourself about it.
William Slyke
Out-of-Character from Shino Uzamaki (16 minutes ago)
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Technically, he is right. But, player of Glaumring, even if it is an ancient symbol, it is now forever tied to the Nazi's and you knew that going in.
Forrest Hughes
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Out-of-Character from Glaumring Apasurain (15 minutes ago)
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
William Slyke
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Out-of-Character from Mathias Ridder (14 minutes ago)
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It is not a matter of what it originally meant, but instead of what it has meant in recent history. It might not be offensive to all, but to those it does offend...
John D.
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Out-of-Character from Glaumring Apasurain (14 minutes ago)
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No its tied to the Navaho and to buddhists. I said its a goodluck symbol, you called it a nazi symbol. You are wrong. And now you are trying to cause ooc problems because you are lazy.
William Slyke
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Out-of-Character from Brackern of Burgundy (13 minutes ago)
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LOL William - I'm not saying that I would report it - just saying that someone might. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go find my dummy...
Mike H.
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Out-of-Character from Terrence (12 minutes ago)
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http://failbook.failblog.org/tag/swastika/
Eoghan Barry
Letter from Glaumring Apasurain (11 minutes ago)
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Well in recent history its vern used for thousands of years on buddhist temples in Taiwan and China. The Naxi's have been gone since 1945 so get over it. Im a Canadian who lived in Asia for a decade. I could care less about its nazi past. I hate nazis.
Glaumring Apasurain of Asylon
Candidavius of Véinsørmoot and King of Asylon, Duke of Via, Earl of Via
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Out-of-Character from Brom Silverfire (9 minutes ago)
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Player of Glaumring,
I explicitly stated that I was aware of the real life history surrounding the symbol. (aka the asian history)
However, regardless of that history, the nazi's immortalized it as a symbol meaning something drastically different then peace. I would ask that you don't involve it in any RP's in the game, because I at least find it offensive and I believe others would as well.
TH
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Out-of-Character from Glaumring Apasurain (7 minutes ago)
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I didnt use it as a nazi swastika though. So why are you offended, my swastika is swirly with dots and its pointing the other way.
William Slyke
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Out-of-Character from Brom Silverfire (just in)
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I'm offended because this is a game that we play for fun, and you've brought into it a symbol which like it or not is representative of some of the worst organizational genocide and destruction of the last 100 years. Anything called a swastika or even described in a similar manner I would believe is unacceptable. Real life religions are barred from the game for obvious reasons, and I believe this should also be barred from the game for similar ones for the same reason that even close takes on real life religions are unacceptable.
I've said all I'll say on the matter. Further OOC can be handled in private.
TH
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Roleplay from Glaumring Apasurain (just in)
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Glaumring stood on the side of a mountain top in Uppervia and drew massive goodluck swastikas with charcoal on the side of the cliff facing his army. The swastikas were massive, swirling into eachother, they could be seen for miles, goodluck flowing from their ancient shapes. Glaumring then did a naked dance in front of the swastikas and a whole bunch of naked women covered in swastikas of blue, red and yellow painted all over their naked bodies danced with him. It was glorious and then Glaumring got drunk on bloodmoon fruit and passed out.
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Out-of-Character from Gregor Dmitros (just in)
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Please remember there are many people who play this game and some are very sensitive. While I have nothing against it's use, some others may, as someone has already pointed out. We all know that it goes beyond the Nazis and we all also know that it is associated with Nazis and their war crimes. It is wonderful that it doesn't offend you and some other people. But, that isn't the issue, it is about how it may offend other individuals playing this game. There is no need to call anyone a name, this is supposed to be a friendly OoC environment.
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Out-of-Character from Glaumring Apasurain (just in)
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It is you guys who brought nazis into it.
William Slyke
Vellos:
I will note my contention here: while the player of Glaumring is correct that the swastika has many benign meanings, and perhaps he intends it that way, numerous players indicated they did not perceive it that way. Given its history as a symbol for the murder of, literally, millions of human beings, that sensitivity is justified (similar with complaints about the Saxon "Freikorps" in Barca). After multiple players indicated they found it offensive, the player of Glaumring made no apology, and indeed heightened his use of the offending symbol, clearly with provocative intent. This is absolutely not playing the game with friends, but rather is, at the mildest, trolling and spam, and, at the worst, anti-Semitism. While I could understand the first use of the symbol, its continuation is unacceptable, and the Magistrates should thus sanction the offender for a clear violation of the social contract and game community.
Vellos:
Further posts:
Out-of-Character from Glaumring Apasurain (7 minutes ago)
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The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix. The swastika literally means "to be good".
William Slyke
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Out-of-Character from Glaumring Apasurain (5 minutes ago)
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In Christianity, the swastika is used as a hooked version of the Christian Cross, the symbol of Christ's victory over death. Some Christian churches built in the Romanesque and Gothic eras are decorated with swastikas, carrying over earlier Roman designs
Good luck with your complaint... Really.
William Slyke
Letter from Glaumring Apasurain (just in)
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You cannot beat me in game so resort to OOC whining... So weak.
Glaumring Apasurain of Asylon
Candidavius of Véinsørmoot and King of Asylon, Duke of Via, Earl of Via
Draco Tanos:
In a medieval setting, Glaumring is correct. It was (and still is) used by many cultures as a symbol of good luck. It's been found on ruins in India, Greece, and across the bulk of Europe at the very least.
Nazis typically used a clockwise symbol, most other areas used a counter-clockwise version. The Nazis also used a triskelion version of the swastika at times. Should those be banned as well?
But then again, I'm one who believes that if it isn't cheating, players should grow a thicker skin. It's the internet.
Glaumring the Fox:
--- Quote from: Uzamaki on June 30, 2012, 12:57:35 AM ---Yes, he implied at worst you were being Anti-Semitic. But he never called you a Nazi.
--- End quote ---
How was it anti-semetic to use an ancient goodluck symbol? I didnt mention any jewish stuff. You guys did. I didnt even acknowledge the Nazi's I ignored them. I acknowledged the swastikas rich ancient past. You guys turned it into a Nazi debate. You brought it up to cause trouble. You reported me to cause trouble. You fake your offense. You probably play Wolfenstein after this anyways. Or Medal of honor or watch some WWII movie do you cry every time you see a swastika? Do you call the cops when you see one scratched on a bathroom wall?
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