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Re: Barca
« Reply #675: June 29, 2012, 11:06:54 PM »
True. But then you have to consider that the 'moot was probably the least anti-Aurvandil bloc on the continent...

Aurvandil tried to treat each realm in the Veinsormoot as individual and independent, but was repeatedly confronted by this gang mentality, whether or not the 'moot was the least anti Aurvandilan bloc as a group isn't that important, it's about individual relations, to Aurvandil anyway.

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« Reply #676: June 29, 2012, 11:13:46 PM »
Aurvandil tried to treat each realm in the Veinsormoot as individual and independent
Which is a bit of a mistake because they are not not exactly individual or independent from each other. If you attack one of the moot, all must help and all will help.
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« Reply #677: June 29, 2012, 11:15:55 PM »
Aurvandil tried to treat each realm in the Veinsormoot as individual and independent, but was repeatedly confronted by this gang mentality, whether or not the 'moot was the least anti Aurvandilan bloc as a group isn't that important, it's about individual relations, to Aurvandil anyway.

Yea, well, Aurvandil should really try to accept that not everyone works like them. Individuals come and go, whereas institutions remain. That is the gamble of the Maroccidens for lasting peace and stability.

Which is why you are wrong. It's far from being just about individual relations. Even you recognize that there is a strong gang mentality. Choosing to ignore it is foolish. The 'moot is probably the most united bloc on the continent.
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« Reply #678: June 29, 2012, 11:46:36 PM »
Which is a bit of a mistake because they are not not exactly individual or independent from each other. If you attack one of the moot, all must help and all will help.

A mistake we were willing to make. Though, they don't have to help, the Veinsormoot certainly backed out of giving Barca military support when the Zuma invaded, claiming it was Barca's own fault and so they were no longer obligated, and this war is very much Barca's fault for the way they treated Mendicant. But who knows, perhaps peace will reign before the Veinsormoot declares war.

Yea, well, Aurvandil should really try to accept that not everyone works like them. Individuals come and go, whereas institutions remain. That is the gamble of the Maroccidens for lasting peace and stability.

Which is why you are wrong. It's far from being just about individual relations. Even you recognize that there is a strong gang mentality. Choosing to ignore it is foolish. The 'moot is probably the most united bloc on the continent.

Well, the Veinsormoot has lasted as long as it has  as an institution exactly because it hasn't been challenged as a whole before. Aurvandil could very well change that, and it could very well not. But unless Barca agree to a peace, the south will not remain the same, and if the Veinsormoot interfere, then Aurvandil won't back down, and it will become an Aurvandilan-Veinsormoot affair, and Aurvandil won't be inclined to take half measures with the Veinsormoot.  I treated each realm as they deserved to be treated, as a free and independent. I deal with Barca, not the Veinsormoot, I deal with D'Hara, not the Veinsormoot. Which is a shame, Aurvandil likes D'Hara, but we may well be forced to fight against you due to the Veinsormoot, and it'll be a further shame if any chance of peace with Barca is removed due to Veinsormoot intervention.

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« Reply #679: June 30, 2012, 02:30:41 AM »
How is Aurvandil any fun to play in if it's all just "hive mind" this and "hive mind" that?
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« Reply #680: June 30, 2012, 02:48:37 AM »
How is Aurvandil any fun to play in if it's all just "hive mind" this and "hive mind" that?

Hive mind what?

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« Reply #681: June 30, 2012, 02:52:33 AM »
How is Aurvandil any fun to play in if it's all just "hive mind" this and "hive mind" that?

Oh god coming from the "Attack one attack us all" camp... Pleaee just use brain
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« Reply #682: June 30, 2012, 02:57:57 AM »
Hive mind?

Allomere just slew one of his marshals in public. Various members of the government have had trouble with several lords and a duke, for differing reasons. Not to mention the contesting on who gets to be Judge and Banker and where food can be sold. I don't really feel obliged to comment further on inner realm happenings but the reputation so many seem to think we have is quite flattering. Life would be a lot easier if we were all jolly and cohesive IC. The difference is we all seem to otherwise enjoy the internal dynamics with little animosity.

There's probably also a bit of fortress mentality to it too.
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« Reply #683: June 30, 2012, 02:58:29 AM »
How is Aurvandil any fun to play in if it's all just "hive mind" this and "hive mind" that?

Well the efficiency is nice, but the multipul personality disorder is a bitch.

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« Reply #684: June 30, 2012, 07:19:32 AM »
Buh buh. Imagine Russia declaring war against America and not expecting the NATO to jump in.

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« Reply #685: July 02, 2012, 02:22:49 AM »
Oh god coming from the "Attack one attack us all" camp... Pleaee just use brain

Yeah... what a crazy concept... "alliance"... ooh and ahh at our diplomatic innovation.
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« Reply #686: July 02, 2012, 04:04:38 AM »
Buh buh. Imagine Russia declaring war against America and not expecting the NATO to jump in.

Declare war? That's funny.

NATO wouldn't join in defense of a war against America. You know why? Russia's war would consist of pressing a few red buttons and the entire thing would be over in a matter of minutes. Both sides would lose and there wouldn't be a NATO left.
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« Reply #687: July 02, 2012, 04:10:18 AM »
Yeah... what a crazy concept... "alliance"... ooh and ahh at our diplomatic innovation.

So that has to stop us from being creative and trying to change things? So you have an alliance, that doesn't stop Aurvandil from playing along to the same game.
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« Reply #688: July 02, 2012, 04:14:04 AM »
So that has to stop us from being creative and trying to change things? So you have an alliance, that doesn't stop Aurvandil from playing along to the same game.

Translation: We call your alliances and raze you. Literally, we raze you and your cities to the ground.

Madina had "alliances". Sure worked out well for them.

Here's the kicker I'm waiting for: The Zuma decide to randomly march an army to Chesney while Terran is helping Barca. (I told them they had good cookies there)

We'll see if it works.
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« Reply #689: July 02, 2012, 07:30:02 AM »
So that has to stop us from being creative and trying to change things? So you have an alliance, that doesn't stop Aurvandil from playing along to the same game.

What? I wasn't responding to you or Aurvandil. I was responding to Glaumring being dumb.


Here's the kicker I'm waiting for: The Zuma decide to randomly march an army to Chesney while Terran is helping Barca. (I told them they had good cookies there)

We'll see if it works.


You've obviously learned nothing about the Zuma. The Zuma don't do exciting things like march on cities. More likely, since a big conflict is about to happen, they will march south to somewhere inbetween Barca and Aurvandil and be completely ambiguous about their intentions, and then everyone will sit around and watch.

Although, these fellows in Aurvandil might just be the only ones on Dwilight crazy enough to be like "WTF Zuma? GTFO of our way" and smash into them... and maybe win, too.

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