Treaty Process

[Eirikr]

Can someone explain the full treaty process to me? I had not done it before the new system and now it seems even less straightforward. I'm probably just missing something somewhere down the line, though... Here's how I'm guessing it works:

Step 1. Negotiate a treaty between two realms.
Step 2. Give the text to a diplomat to draft.
Step 3. (As ruler) Sign the new treaty.
Step 4. ????
Step 5. Other realm's ruler/ambassador signs the treaty. Treaty process completed.

I've managed to get the first three completed. Do I need to actually visit the other realm to propose the treaty? Does an ambassador or diplomat have to go to the other realm and propose it there? (i.e., does the option to propose it to another realm only appear in another realm?)

[Tom]

Yes. Someone with diplomatic authority (diplomat or ambassador) has to travel to the other realm and bring them the paperwork. Remember, fax and e-mail have not yet been invented.

[Eirikr]

Yes. Someone with diplomatic authority (diplomat or ambassador) has to travel to the other realm and bring them the paperwork. Remember, fax and e-mail have not yet been invented.

Is a ruler also able to do that (not that he should or would)? Also, I assume it must be a diplomat from the realm that drafted the treaty? (Just covering all the bases here.)

[Tom]

The ruler can make himself a diplomat or ambassador, so the question is kind of backwards.

You can do it if you have one of the diplomatic classes.

[Psyche]

Indeed.  The only "treaties" a ruler can officially sign without being a diplomat/ambassador are general realm relations,  such as peace, war, and the like.

[Eirikr]

Indeed.  The only "treaties" a ruler can officially sign without being a diplomat/ambassador are general realm relations,  such as peace, war, and the like.

I think you mean "propose" or "draft." I can sign treaties, but I can't seem to propose them to realms (working as intended, I see).

As a Hero, you cannot be a diplomat, though, so I've gotta bother someone else.

[Eirikr]

One more question: Is there any other way for a treaty to get signed by a foreign realm than to deliver it to their lands with a diplomat? Our enemies are down to one region, so our diplomat constantly has a threat of capture. It seems silly that the situation can't be resolved another way.

[Tom]

One more question: Is there any other way for a treaty to get signed by a foreign realm than to deliver it to their lands with a diplomat?

Have them deliver it to you? But no, someone has to bring the papers.

[Eirikr]

Ah I meant a treaty that my realm has already drafted.

Let me not be vague about the situation:

Hammarsett and Coria have a treaty for Hammarsett's surrender. They wanted the actual treaty drafted and signed. Since Coria came up with most of it, our diplomat drafted the treaty and I, as ruler, signed it.

Now they have only one region, Shanandoah, left... But they have 15k+ CS of militia that they supposedly don't have gold to disband. I sent my diplomat in once to try and get it signed, but he got captured.

Could a diplomat and someone with the power to sign meet in a different location than Shanandoah (AKA outside Hammarsett lands) to finalize the treaty and put it into effect, or do we just have to hope he avoids patrols for a turn? Sounds like the latter.

I guess we also have the option of making Hammarsett re-draft the treaty and send a diplomat to our lands which now essentially surround them as you mention.

[Tom]

To propose a treaty, a diplomat or ambassador has to be in a region of the realm you want to propose to.

Of course, you can send them the text of the treaty by message and have one of their diplomats draft it up again and then come visit you to propose it.

[Eirikr]

Looks like it won't be a problem anymore... Hammarsett was able to turn over their region.