Ruler become lord of new region.

[Penchant]

If the Ruler is not already a Duke, and he's trying to make himself Lord of the region and Duke of a new Duchy in that region, he needs the blessing of the Duke whose region it is already to do that.

But that doesn't make sense to me because if it was any other noble the ruler could make him duke without the rulers blessing but he needs blessing of the duke for himself? I don't see how that makes sense.

[Anaris]

But that doesn't make sense to me because if it was any other noble the ruler could make him duke without the rulers blessing but he needs blessing of the duke for himself? I don't see how that makes sense.

No, he can only make the Lord of the region into a duke. And only the Duke in whose Duchy the region resides can appoint a Lord.

[Penchant]

No, he can only make the Lord of the region into a duke. And only the Duke in whose Duchy the region resides can appoint a Lord.

So my next question, what's the reasoning behind needing to have a region lord to make a duchy?

[fodder]

the lord gets promoted, not the region.

[Foundation]

It's a simple matter of jurisdiction.  It's the duke's privilege to appoint lords in his duchy, and the ruler's to promote lords to dukes, in turn creating new duchies.

The ruler is not all powerful, nor is he intended to be.  Perhaps there should be an option for the duke and the ruler to both give their consent and have the ruler assume lordship and dukedom at the same time, but I do not believe an option will ever exist for the ruler to simply rip a region out of a duchy and take the titles alone.

[Chenier]

It's a simple matter of jurisdiction.  It's the duke's privilege to appoint lords in his duchy, and the ruler's to promote lords to dukes, in turn creating new duchies.

The ruler is not all powerful, nor is he intended to be.  Perhaps there should be an option for the duke and the ruler to both give their consent and have the ruler assume lordship and dukedom at the same time, but I do not believe an option will ever exist for the ruler to simply rip a region out of a duchy and take the titles alone.

Except... that we elect our lords, the dukes normally don't appoint them.

Making your whole logic rather moot.

But as it is, I don't believe we can elect the ruler as lord without some !@#$ up happening.

[Penchant]

Except... that we elect our lords, the dukes normally don't appoint them.

Making your whole logic rather moot.

But as it is, I don't believe we can elect the ruler as lord without some !@#$ up happening.

I figured out how for our situation specifically buy Rurik kinda f'ed it up with ignoring, the election, the prime minister, you, and ghaundan. Ghaundan, said only him if no one else, prime minister said you, you said you, and election will end up saying you.

Edit: minor fix was done

[Chenier]

What I would request is that the "auto-fix" that strips a ruler of his lordship if he isn't a duke be replaced by the region automatically creating a new duchy when this is observed.

[Penchant]

What I would request is that the "auto-fix" that strips a ruler of his lordship if he isn't a duke be replaced by the region automatically creating a new duchy when this is observed.

I think it was suggested but the issue is it could result in many duchies in republics and democracies being created.

[Chenier]

I think it was suggested but the issue is it could result in many duchies in republics and democracies being created.

They can be scrapped later. At worse, have it be a special "imperial" duchy that automatically dissolves.

[Penchant]

They can be scrapped later. At worse, have it be a special "imperial" duchy that automatically dissolves.

That is actually a good idea, but I am unsure of their opinion on imperial duchies.

[D'Espana]

I figured out how for a situation specifically buy Rurik kinda f'ed it up with ignoring, the election, the prime minister, you, and ghaundan. Ghaundan, said only him if no one else, prime minister said you, you said you, and election will end up saying you.

I swear I was the very first one to be surprised 

[Chenier]

I swear I was the very first one to be surprised 

Yea, I too was like 

Paisly's the one I want, though.

[Penchant]

Yea, I too was like 

Paisly's the one I want, though.

That was the solution in our situation. Make you region lord and duke because I knew you would want Paisly and leave without us needing to ask you when we got Paisly so that way there was no placeholder positions.

[Chenier]

That was the solution in our situation. Make you region lord and duke because I knew you would want Paisly and leave without us needing to ask you when we got Paisly so that way there was no placeholder positions.

Yea.

Not sure what Rurik was thinking on that one. I say me, Ruler says me, and dude he chose also said me.