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Ruler become lord of new region.
« Topic Start: September 20, 2012, 12:23:59 AM »
My realm has just taken over a new region that we lost and the ruler wants to be lord since he was previously duke and lord but the duchy was lost and disbanded so I am trying to come up with a way for the ruler to become lord and duke of the new duchy he wants to make instead of the duchy it was forced into without having a placeholder. So far it seems impossible which is dumb as it is a perfectly legimate thing for a character to want and should be able to do. Also the realm is a republic.
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Re: Ruler become lord of new region.
« Reply #1: September 20, 2012, 12:41:01 AM »
Create a duchy out of the region and appoint himself the duke of the duchy. Then appoint himself as the region lord.
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Re: Ruler become lord of new region.
« Reply #2: September 20, 2012, 12:42:22 AM »
Quote from: Zakilevo on September 20, 2012, 12:41:01 AM
Create a duchy out of the region and appoint himself the duke of the duchy. Then appoint himself as the region lord.
I could be wrong but i believe you need a lord of the region in order to make the duchy.
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Re: Ruler become lord of new region.
« Reply #3: September 20, 2012, 12:46:13 AM »
Quote from: Penchant on September 20, 2012, 12:42:22 AM
I could be wrong but i believe you need a lord of the region in order to make the duchy.

I believe so.

Which I consider to be a serious flaw of the new changes.
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Re: Ruler become lord of new region.
« Reply #4: September 20, 2012, 12:56:23 AM »
Oh I forgot about that. Well that is a bit silly...
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Re: Ruler become lord of new region.
« Reply #5: September 20, 2012, 01:00:41 AM »
Being able to name himself Lord of a region and Duke of a new duchy centered on it at the same time actually sounds like a reasonable thing to allow for Rulers, IMO.

Why don't you write it up as a formal Feature Request?
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Re: Ruler become lord of new region.
« Reply #6: September 20, 2012, 03:02:54 AM »
But isn't it the duke's position to name lords of regions in his own duchy? (the duke of the duchy the new region got switched to)
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Re: Ruler become lord of new region.
« Reply #7: September 20, 2012, 03:05:05 AM »
Quote from: Foundation on September 20, 2012, 03:02:54 AM
But isn't it the duke's position to name lords of regions in his own duchy? (the duke of the duchy the new region got switched to)

Oh, right. Damn, forgot about that.

I suppose we might be able to add a means by which the Duke could OK this...
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Re: Ruler become lord of new region.
« Reply #8: September 20, 2012, 03:06:51 AM »
Yea, new regions automatically get assigned to a duchy.

However, as a ruler can promote a lord to dukeship without his duke's approval, I don't see why a ruler shouldn't be able to create a new duchy out of a vacant city without needing the duke's approval?
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Re: Ruler become lord of new region.
« Reply #9: September 20, 2012, 03:53:49 AM »
Quote from: Chénier on September 20, 2012, 03:06:51 AM
Yea, new regions automatically get assigned to a duchy.

However, as a ruler can promote a lord to dukeship without his duke's approval, I don't see why a ruler shouldn't be able to create a new duchy out of a vacant city without needing the duke's approval?
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Re: Ruler become lord of new region.
« Reply #10: September 20, 2012, 02:29:58 PM »
i thought this is sort of intentional?

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otoh, i see no logic in a ruler being able to give away a region. the more appropriate thing would be a ruler giving a duchy away, whilst the duke gives a region away.
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Re: Ruler become lord of new region.
« Reply #11: September 20, 2012, 10:56:00 PM »
He's not giving away the region, he's trying to assign it to a separate duchy for himself...
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Re: Ruler become lord of new region.
« Reply #12: September 20, 2012, 11:02:34 PM »
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on September 20, 2012, 10:56:00 PM
He's not giving away the region, he's trying to assign it to a separate duchy for himself...

If the Ruler is not already a Duke, and he's trying to make himself Lord of the region and Duke of a new Duchy in that region, he needs the blessing of the Duke whose region it is already to do that.
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Re: Ruler become lord of new region.
« Reply #13: September 20, 2012, 11:06:09 PM »
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on September 20, 2012, 10:56:00 PM
He's not giving away the region, he's trying to assign it to a separate duchy for himself...

i'm well aware of that. i'm saying given the logic of hierarchy where only the duke gets to appoint the lord, then the old system of ruler giving away a region, thus skipping a lvl doesn't make much sense.
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« Reply #14: September 20, 2012, 11:06:44 PM »
Quote from: fodder on September 20, 2012, 11:06:09 PM
i'm well aware of that. i'm saying given the logic of hierarchy where only the duke gets to appoint the lord, then the old system of ruler giving away a region, thus skipping a lvl doesn't make much sense.

Ah, I thought you were saying something quite different.
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