The Marrocidenian war

[NoblesseChevaleresque]

We hate religion, we despise organised religion, and we outright loathe foreign superstition and now we have all three.

"This can only end well"

[MediumTedium]

Ha, you don't even want to know what's been going on lately.

It seems 2013 will be the year of Aurvandil ! =) , some big changes and lots of exciting war campaigns!.

[Glaumring the Fox]

We hate religion, we despise organised religion, and we outright loathe foreign superstition and now we have all three.

"This can only end well"

Too bad its not SMA to hold that attitude and your kingdom has finally decided to join the rest of Dwilight in actually playing the game the way Tom intended it. No one cares if you hate religion in RL and you are a rabid internet Atheist... In BM you love religion, no buts ifs or ands about it. Its not like following an IG religion will somehow sully your OOG holy atheism.

[Penchant]

Too bad its not SMA to hold that attitude and your kingdom has finally decided to join the rest of Dwilight in actually playing the game the way Tom intended it. No one cares if you hate religion in RL and you are a rabid internet Atheist... In BM you love religion, no buts ifs or ands about it. Its not like following an IG religion will somehow sully your OOG holy atheism.

He never said he was atheist and Aurvandil's dislike of religion has nothing to do with that based on what they have stated. Their dislike of religion is it taking their nobles focus away from the realm.

[Zakilevo]

Most Aurvandilians are pagans. Pagan worship ftw 

[Lychaon]

It seems 2013 will be the year of Aurvandil ! =) , some big changes and lots of exciting war campaigns!.

Yay! Did you finally noticed you've got more than 50 players among your ranks? Happy New Year! 

Regarding the religious matter, maybe Arvandilians receive financial support from Allison & friends in exchange of the promise of a satellite realm somewhere in what today are 'Moot regions. It's a raisonable symbiosis, and it's been already seen.

But all this time of silent... Indeed plagues and fire are being plotted in Candiels!

[Glaumring the Fox]

Pagan religions are uncivilized, Aurvandiil is not uncivilized.

[Penchant]

Pagan religions are uncivilized, Aurvandiil is not uncivilized.

Pagan religions are unorganized, that's its.

[Phellan]

Pagan religions are unorganized, that's its.

Order is a sign of civilization!   It is a nobles duty to organize that which surrounds him, and give it meaningful form!

No?

No. . probably not.   Just wait, I'm sure Mendicant will soon be worshiped as a deity king, to affirm his right to govern all of Dwilight

[Penchant]

Order is a sign of civilization!   It is a nobles duty to organize that which surrounds him, and give it meaningful form!

No?

No. . probably not.   Just wait, I'm sure Mendicant will soon be worshiped as a deity king, to affirm his right to govern all of Dwilight

Order and orginization are not the same, and though that argument could maybe be used, it can also be said that they could claim there faith believes in a handful of things that basically say helping your realm is important, thus not becoming a priest for that faith is valid.

[Glaumring the Fox]

Paganism has no priests nor temples. Its a mishmash of superstition and nonsense. A civilized nation would not deal in the religion of the 'peasants' a civilized kingdom would bind the peasants under the faith of the nobles. So basically Aurvandiilians worship kitchen gods and straw effigies of birds and frogs.

[Feylonis]

I disagree. Pagans certainly had their 'priests', in the sense that there were people who claimed to be mediums of higher powers, or prophets, or seers. They also had their places of worship, to an extent. You have to remove your idea that the general features of organized religions - constructed temples, hierarchies, and codified beliefs - are the only features that constitute a religion.

[Gustav Kuriga]

Feylonis, I believe Glaumring is speaking from the perspective of Battlemaster. In which case he would indeed be correct.

[Anaris]

I disagree. Pagans certainly had their 'priests', in the sense that there were people who claimed to be mediums of higher powers, or prophets, or seers. They also had their places of worship, to an extent. You have to remove your idea that the general features of organized religions - constructed temples, hierarchies, and codified beliefs - are the only features that constitute a religion.

Please do not ever make the mistake of thinking that "pagan" in BM means either what it has come to mean in RL, or what it used to mean in RL.

"Pagan" means, specifically and exactly, any and all religion that does not have a game-mechanic presence on the continent. Thus, by definition, no priests, no temples, no prophets, etc.

[Glaumring the Fox]

And herein lies the problem people insist on playing BM with their RL beliefs and warp the rules to reflect that. No one plays RISK with such aspiration or a D&D campaign, you follow the rules of the game you play no ifs about it.

And yes everything I say is in regards to the BM world and rules. I could care less about real world religion or your internet philosophies..  I follow the flying fish god for he is the greatest and all powerful.