CE-Tara Federation

[Indirik]

Yeah, I don't see it happening either. The only way I can imagine it is as the result of something the Great Peace on EC that ended with Fontan breaking the Federation with OR and Sirion. Possible, I suppose, if AT gets as boring as it looks like it might.

[Antonine]

Well we could always get some religious conflict going ;)

[Gabanus family]

Yeah, I don't see it happening either. The only way I can imagine it is as the result of something the Great Peace on EC that ended with Fontan breaking the Federation with OR and Sirion. Possible, I suppose, if AT gets as boring as it looks like it might.

I still have doubts. If Ottar believes to have support of say Suville, ML and Darka/BoM in the future they might attempt to claim the hegemony rather than to have to listen to the slow (as they perceive it) imperial Senate.

[jaune]

A few things:

1] Why would you guess they will not attack Darka?
2] The biggest threat to CE's dominance is most likely Tara

I would assume Talerium will hold its treaty and not to attack Darka. Carelia also had very good relations and are prolly not feel very fond to attack Darka.  I have no doubts that rest of them could and would attack.

South has also grown strong, very strong. If they can pull their things together, i'm sure they would give helluwa fight for CE & Tara. This time CE & Tara would be without Darkan support, but would have Coria instead... I have my doubts that most of the realms whom they recently spanked are feeling very comfortable to run aid them if south would seek revenge for the old times.

But time will show, I'm surprised to see that i'm happy to see Abbington back, it is pretty much AT's only hope.

[Penchant]

But time will show, I'm surprised to see that i'm happy to see Abbington back, it is pretty much AT's only hope.

Give up now if that's true. Suville may have the same geography and fields roughly 25k CS but they are not even close to Abington IMO. That and Suville is a puppet of CE IMO.

[Bael]

So long as Ottar is in charge, Tara will never threaten CE's dominance.

And there you have the beginnings of a solution ;)

[Dante Silverfire]

Tara is not the greatest threat to CE's dominance.

But, Ottar is the greatest threat to Tara's dominance.

[Eirikr]

The day that Tara directly attacks CE is the day I eat my hat.

This time, I doubt either Merlin or I will tell you to make that hat out of bacon. :(

[Dante Silverfire]

There is no way that Tara attacks CE.

[Feylonis]

If Carelia+Caergoth+Suville couldn't beat CE+Tara (who were also being attacked by the North) together, there's much less chance of them doing so successfully (considering Strombran has more or less taken over Carelia, and Eston's surrender).

[Dante Silverfire]

If Carelia+Caergoth+Suville couldn't beat CE+Tara (who were also being attacked by the North) together, there's much less chance of them doing so successfully (considering Strombran has more or less taken over Carelia, and Eston's surrender).

Not exactly true.

Carelia + Caergoth + Suville very probably could have beaten CE + Tara while CE was distracted in the north. The problem wasn't that their armies weren't strong enough to do so. The problem was that the alliance shattered early on in the war effort. If the Southern Alliance had remained united for long enough it is very likely that they would have succeeded in winning.

[Penchant]

Not exactly true.

Carelia + Caergoth + Suville very probably could have beaten CE + Tara while CE was distracted in the north. The problem wasn't that their armies weren't strong enough to do so. The problem was that the alliance shattered early on in the war effort. If the Southern Alliance had remained united for long enough it is very likely that they would have succeeded in winning.

See! This is all Suville's fault! Caergoth got ko'ed so they couldn't help and Suville looted the eastern border while CE took over the western border. It was a big !@#$-up-Carelia fest.

[Dante Silverfire]

See! This is all Suville's fault! Caergoth got ko'ed so they couldn't help and Suville looted the eastern border while CE took over the western border. It was a big !@#$-up-Carelia fest.

So, Suville made a decision that benefited themselves, and then benefited from it.

Nothing to see here folks.

[Revan]

Not exactly true.

Carelia + Caergoth + Suville very probably could have beaten CE + Tara while CE was distracted in the north. The problem wasn't that their armies weren't strong enough to do so. The problem was that the alliance shattered early on in the war effort. If the Southern Alliance had remained united for long enough it is very likely that they would have succeeded in winning.

See! This is all Suville's fault! Caergoth got ko'ed so they couldn't help and Suville looted the eastern border while CE took over the western border. It was a big !@#$-up-Carelia fest.

Everything that happened to Carelia was Carelia's fault. The treaty she signed with Caergoth and Suville was basically a suicide note. We shouldn't have let Leta/Malcolm get away with their outlandish plans in the first place, but there were a few too many folk around with eyes bigger than their bellies.

If anything, it's amazing the Carelia/Caergoth/Suville alliance lasted as long as it did. If Dielo hadn't ghosted in and bought Skalk, the double-cross would have happened sooner. As it was, Caergoth merely blackmailed Carelia for an early handover of Ser'quea. When Suville tried the same with Wayburg, we inexplicably decided we'd fight over it - even though Cagil was already rolling us back on the western front. That's the moment Carelia should have sued for terms and changed sides but sadly Nathan ignored everybody and soldiered on anyway.

[Penchant]

Everything that happened to Carelia was Carelia's fault. The treaty she signed with Caergoth and Suville was basically a suicide note. We shouldn't have let Leta/Malcolm get away with their outlandish plans in the first place, but there were a few too many folk around with eyes bigger than their bellies.

If anything, it's amazing the Carelia/Caergoth/Suville alliance lasted as long as it did. If Dielo hadn't ghosted in and bought Skalk, the double-cross would have happened sooner. As it was, Caergoth merely blackmailed Carelia for an early handover of Ser'quea. When Suville tried the same with Wayburg, we inexplicably decided we'd fight over it - even though Cagil was already rolling us back on the western front. That's the moment Carelia should have sued for terms and changed sides but sadly Nathan ignored everybody and soldiered on anyway.

Well allies wanting to get paid early is not exactly our fault and I only remember Suville declaring war for Wayburg, not them ever asking but I was a knight with no political power/not privy to these discussions-I wasn't even playing BM when Serquea was demanded so Caergoth has always looked like the loyal ally in my eyes. If Suville did demand it, I am guessing the higher ups were hoping Suville was bluffing and Nathan went inactive so he was probably not that active to convince otherwise with the Suville issue. But based on what you said Caergoth and Suville basically acted like mercenaries which aren't exactly the most trustworthy when they are worried you might not want to ever pay because you lost so I see your point also.