Are Realm Mergers Allowed?

[GoldPanda]

I don't trust my own memory on this subject. Please clarify something for me:

Are two realms allowed to merge into one peacefully?

Also:

Scenario 1: Realms A and B are not at war. All regions of realm A merges into realm B. This is obviously a peaceful realm merger.

Scenario 2: Realms A and B are not at war. Most regions of realm A merges into realm B, leaving behind a duchy consisting of a few rural regions. Is this still considered a peaceful realm merger?

Scenario 3: Realms A and B are not at war. Most regions of realm A merges into realm B, leaving behind a duchy consisting of a city and a few rural regions. Is this still considered a peaceful realm merger?

Scenario 4: Realms A and B are not at war. Most regions of realm A merges into realm B, leaving behind a duchy consisting of a city and a few rural regions. The enlarged realm B then attacks and annexes what remains of realm A. The weakened realm A does not (or is unable to) fight back. Is this still considered a peaceful realm merger?

[vonGenf]

I don't trust my own memory on this subject. Please clarify something for me:

Are two realms allowed to merge into one peacefully?

No. From the Rules and Policies page on the wiki:

• Realm mergers are illegal. Realms may surrender to another, including annihilation of their lands, but they may not merge as equal entities on friendly terms.

Also:

Scenario 1: Realms A and B are not at war. All regions of realm A merges into realm B. This is obviously a peaceful realm merger.

Scenario 2: Realms A and B are not at war. Most regions of realm A merges into realm B, leaving behind a duchy consisting of a few rural regions. Is this still considered a peaceful realm merger?

Scenario 3: Realms A and B are not at war. Most regions of realm A merges into realm B, leaving behind a duchy consisting of a city and a few rural regions. Is this still considered a peaceful realm merger?

Scenario 4: Realms A and B are not at war. Most regions of realm A merges into realm B, leaving behind a duchy consisting of a city and a few rural regions. The enlarged realm B then attacks and annexes what remains of realm A. The weakened realm A does not (or is unable to) fight back. Is this still considered a peaceful realm merger?

I think "on friendly terms" is the key word here, not how many regions change allegiance.

[GoldPanda]

Isn't "friendly terms", or rather the lack thereof, rather easy to fake?

[vonGenf]

Isn't "friendly terms", or rather the lack thereof, rather easy to fake?

Cheating is forbidden even when it's easy.

[egamma]

I don't trust my own memory on this subject. Please clarify something for me:

Are two realms allowed to merge into one peacefully?

Also:

Scenario 1: Realms A and B are not at war. All regions of realm A merges into realm B. This is obviously a peaceful realm merger.

This is blocked by the game.

Scenario 2: Realms A and B are not at war. Most regions of realm A merges into realm B, leaving behind a duchy consisting of a few rural regions. Is this still considered a peaceful realm merger?

This is blocked by the game.

Scenario 3: Realms A and B are not at war. Most regions of realm A merges into realm B, leaving behind a duchy consisting of a city and a few rural regions. Is this still considered a peaceful realm merger?

This is considered a duchy switching allegiance, not the realm. I think this could be illegal if the ruler of realm A planned for this to happen.

Scenario 4: Realms A and B are not at war. Most regions of realm A merges into realm B, leaving behind a duchy consisting of a city and a few rural regions. The enlarged realm B then attacks and annexes what remains of realm A. The weakened realm A does not (or is unable to) fight back. Is this still considered a peaceful realm merger?

You put the words "attack" and "peaceful" in the same scenario. I think this could be illegal if the ruler of realm A planned for this to happen.

[GoldPanda]

Cheating is forbidden even when it's easy.

And jay-walking is illegal even when it's easy. When was the last time anyone got arrested for jay-walking? A rule means nothing if it's not enforceable on everyone.

What I'm saying is, rules should be based on what happens in the game. "You can't order anyone to recruit a certain unit type." Not based on what's going on in player's minds."You can't have realm mergers, but if the ruler did not approve of it then it's totally okay." Why not just "You can't have realm mergers, period. It doesn't matter who was aware or not aware of it, or approved or did not approve of it."

This is blocked by the game.

Duchy Changes Allegiance   (1 hour, 16 minutes ago)
message to Everyone on Dwilight
The Courts of Stone has changed its allegiance with all its regions to the realm of Luria Nova. The duchy used to belong to Solaria.

Apparently not. 

[vonGenf]

What I'm saying is, rules should be based on what happens in the game. "You can't order anyone to recruit a certain unit type." Not based on what's going on in player's minds."You can't have realm mergers, but if the ruler did not approve of it then it's totally okay." Why not just "You can't have realm mergers, period. It doesn't matter who was aware or not aware of it, or approved or did not approve of it."

If there was a button "Merge realms" in the game, and you were not allowed to click it, then it would be easy. Sadly there's not. What you call realm mergers are in fact series of perfectly legal actions which have an undesirable end result. Therefore it's all about intent.

[Chenier]

And jay-walking is illegal even when it's easy. When was the last time anyone got arrested for jay-walking? A rule means nothing if it's not enforceable on everyone.

What I'm saying is, rules should be based on what happens in the game. "You can't order anyone to recruit a certain unit type." Not based on what's going on in player's minds."You can't have realm mergers, but if the ruler did not approve of it then it's totally okay." Why not just "You can't have realm mergers, period. It doesn't matter who was aware or not aware of it, or approved or did not approve of it."

Duchy Changes Allegiance   (1 hour, 16 minutes ago)
message to Everyone on Dwilight
The Courts of Stone has changed its allegiance with all its regions to the realm of Luria Nova. The duchy used to belong to Solaria.

Apparently not. 

Our mayor got a fine for jay-walking last year...

[Indirik]

I know several people who have been ticketed for jaywalking.

Keep in mind that it is possible, and legal, for a realm to give up or surrender in a war, resulting in the loser being absorbed into the winner, especialy if the losing realm has been reduced to something that could not survive on its own.

[Woelfy]

Keep in mind that it is possible, and legal, for a realm to give up or surrender in a war, resulting in the loser being absorbed into the winner, especialy if the losing realm has been reduced to something that could not survive on its own.

Minus the war, that's what politically was forced upon Solaria. The 'war' was Sun Hall switching, leaving BR and Tranquil, then Tranquil left. A single non-productive non-capital stronghold would not have supported itself for more than a minute.

[Penchant]

Our mayor got a fine for jay-walking last year...

thats awesome 

[Chenier]

thats awesome 

Union troubles, police hadn't had a working convention in years (the last one expired like 3 years prior I think).

Still, pretty funny. 

[egamma]

Duchy Changes Allegiance   (1 hour, 16 minutes ago)
message to Everyone on Dwilight
The Courts of Stone has changed its allegiance with all its regions to the realm of Luria Nova. The duchy used to belong to Solaria.

Apparently not. 

Bug exploit

[GoldPanda]

If there was a button "Merge realms" in the game, and you were not allowed to click it, then it would be easy. Sadly there's not. What you call realm mergers are in fact series of perfectly legal actions which have an undesirable end result. Therefore it's all about intent.

I think I get what you're saying. Just disallow it mechanically in-game.

There should be some sort of check when a duke tries to defect with his duchy: If the number of cities+strongholds in the duchy is equal to the number of cities+strongholds in the realm, then he should not be allowed to switch his duchy's allegiance, because the rest of the realm has no cities or strongholds left.

[vonGenf]

I think I get what you're saying. Just disallow it mechanically in-game.

There should be some sort of check when a duke tries to defect with his duchy: If the number of cities+strongholds in the duchy is equal to the number of cities+strongholds in the realm, then he should not be allowed to switch his duchy's allegiance, because the rest of the realm has no cities or strongholds left.

Yes, as has been said this is what is supposed to happen and it is a bug that the check did't work. But it doesn't cover your scenarios 3&4.