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« Reply #60: December 29, 2012, 10:58:30 AM »
Yeah i actually liked to read it and fully agree on most points.

Do mind that alot of peace also comes due to large alliance blocks bullying single realms.
Most nobles in Melhed are actually quite the warmonger, but if your about to march to war and hear that three realms with all individualy more nobles in them will be waiting on the other side of the river, you chicken out nor would that be a war to last.
Still beluaterra has an excuse for not much good human wars.
Yet much will change very soon now realms like Riombara and Fronen have recovered enough to wage war.

What used to make EC so good where the long wars who where balanced in a way that kept it fun.
The whole continent fought the same war (kind off) and neither realm could easily defeat the other.

Gang bang alliances are all part of the scared ducks phenomena as Fluegs mentioned.
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« Reply #61: December 29, 2012, 12:59:24 PM »
To talk about LN as an example.

LN is an example of a realm that won, but lost at the same time, the challenge is gone. In the last 1-2 years all those who had a different opinion than fulco were ousted, the moment malus and he decided to work together was also the moment there were no real enemies left. Those that remained either had no true power or were nice and calm followers. It's an ideal situation for a ruler, nice and comfortable position, no threats and boring as hell. The Lurian area should consist out of city realms, who constantly plot against each other and forget about the rest of the continent. Battles over regions, rather than cities, rebellions when realms become to large and a war not further away than a couple of days. The moment you have to march for a week to a battle truly means your enemies are too far away. You will have a battle once every 2-3 weeks, for who is that fun? Heck, the entire dhara war, equipment damage and starvation were our largest enemies as it took ages to travel.

And let us look at realms in general. Small realms who want to expand normally have to fight a much larger realm, a realm that can smack them with ease and likely with good allies. Large realms don't have the need to expand as they have barely the nobles to keep their current amount of regions. The result that there is little reward to fight. Best case senario you gang bang a realm and get a few regions, worst case senario you lose. But always you will need months to recover the regions in which is fought, long boring months.

Add harsher penalties to realm sizes, limit the size of alliances/federations and increase region recovery. And reconsider an option as TMP when realms after those changes are still hesistant to go to war.

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« Reply #62: December 29, 2012, 02:12:14 PM »
Why does LN not attack Morek? The Treaty of the South Divide has been in place forever. If it's to far, just start a new colony around Flowrestown (like Aquilegia)... All Luria has done for years now is bicker amongst themselves, apart from a quick skirmish against Fissoa.
Dividing PeL into different parts to incite war was a good idea, but now you're just one big blob again.

Not that I really care, just saying. :)

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« Reply #63: December 29, 2012, 03:27:23 PM »
Why does LN not attack Morek? The Treaty of the South Divide has been in place forever. If it's to far, just start a new colony around Flowrestown (like Aquilegia)... All Luria has done for years now is bicker amongst themselves, apart from a quick skirmish against Fissoa.
Dividing PeL into different parts to incite war was a good idea, but now you're just one big blob again.

Not that I really care, just saying. :)

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« Reply #64: December 29, 2012, 04:20:08 PM »
What it really comes down to is that realms need to learn to mind their own business, and keep their noses out from where they don't belong. Stop trying to line up 4 allies before you go to war with your neighbor. Be willing to accept small gains and small losses, rather than dish out crippling damage.
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« Reply #65: December 29, 2012, 06:37:59 PM »
What it really comes down to is that realms need to learn to mind their own business, and keep their noses out from where they don't belong. Stop trying to line up 4 allies before you go to war with your neighbor. Be willing to accept small gains and small losses, rather than dish out crippling damage.
Its too late for that, everybody else would be in their alliance block, you attack one without getting allies, they are still going to all attack you.
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« Reply #66: December 29, 2012, 06:40:48 PM »
At least the Sorraine/Ohnar West war was kept one-on-one, despite Sorraine having allies.

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« Reply #67: December 29, 2012, 06:43:10 PM »
You guys would love me as a ruler... the one time my character was ruler of a realm (5 or so years ago) he declared war on two of his larger neighbours, nabbed one region from both of them and then died fighting his banker in a duel to the death. This was all in the span of one or two months. I don't think any other ruler has ever seen so much ambition in such a short period of time...

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« Reply #68: December 29, 2012, 07:24:51 PM »
Do mind that alot of peace also comes due to large alliance blocks bullying single realms.
Most nobles in Melhed are actually quite the warmonger, but if your about to march to war and hear that three realms with all individualy more nobles in them will be waiting on the other side of the river, you chicken out nor would that be a war to last.

Nor would the 170k pop relatively unscathed realm vs the 50k pop genocided and bankrupt realm war have lasted long. :)
Sure we could've not pushed your buttons like we did considering our weakness but then we'd have a nice and stable neighbourly relationship... who wants that?

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« Reply #69: December 29, 2012, 08:05:22 PM »
At least the Sorraine/Ohnar West war was kept one-on-one, despite Sorraine having allies.
Sure, you could call it a one-on-one war. So long as you ignore the influx of large amounts of foreign gold.
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« Reply #70: December 29, 2012, 09:02:44 PM »
Sure, you could call it a one-on-one war. So long as you ignore the influx of large amounts of foreign gold.

Well, it's also 1 city vs 3 cities... Sorraine doesn't get to complain about the foreign gold in my opinion. :)

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« Reply #71: December 29, 2012, 09:49:29 PM »
We get complain about everything. It's our Sartan-given right!
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« Reply #72: December 29, 2012, 10:02:31 PM »
Losing to OW... never thought it was possible...

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« Reply #73: December 30, 2012, 03:15:53 AM »
I prefer to think of it as "Losing to Arcachon V2.0". I mean, is there really anyone left in OW that was there from before the secessions that formed Toupellon?
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« Reply #74: December 30, 2012, 08:06:19 PM »
I remember several years ago, when AT got boring, Darka & Eston got into a sort of "friendly border war", in which they would exchange blows with their armies but not actually try to take regions or loot.

I wonder if this would still be acceptable to do today.
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